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Thread Number: 69199
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
Maytag 4.7 Top load agitator washer - anyone know about it? |
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Post# 920065 , Reply# 1 2/8/2017 at 11:42 (2,626 days old) by Yogitunes  (New Jersey) |
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Post# 920077 , Reply# 2 2/8/2017 at 12:30 (2,625 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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I have the smaller 3.6 cu ft MWVC415EW and I love it! I have been using it since 12-15-16 and my whites have not been so white since I last owned a Maytag wringer washer back on 73'. The Powerwash and Deep Water cycles do fantastic job of getting out stains using hot water. I use the Powerwash cycle, hot water, heavy soil level and presoak option for whites. It only takes 55 to 60 mins and my white socks have never been cleaner! I have been using Tide Pods and Oxi Clean Pods with the whites, instead of LCB and the results are exceptional. Yes, it does use a little more water than a new FL, but nowhere near what a traditional TL uses. And if I do want to have a full fill for large, bulky or extremely soiled items I have the option to select the Bulky cycle. The only thing that I would change is to have an option for an extended spin. But let me tell you, I have done at least 50 loads now and I've never had one time when this machine didn't do exactly what it was supposed to do and never had a load take more that 60 mins. The average cycle time is 45 to 50 mins. I've washed both very large items like kingsized quilted bedspreads and comforters or 2 king size pillows at a time as well as every other kind of load from small to large and this machine handled all these loads without a hitch. The LG FL that this replaced many times took over 2 hrs to complete a load and the whites were never as clean as this Maytag gets them. I would have to conclude that the larger 4.7 cu ft model would be at least as good, or better. I give these machines two thumbs up.
I know that there are many people on AW that would disagree with me, but I wonder if they have even used one of these machines? The proof is in the pudding. But I certainly wouldn't tell these people that their preferences in washing machines are wrong, they are what they like, as are mine. Eddie This post was last edited 02/08/2017 at 12:57 | ||
| Post# 920090 , Reply# 3 2/8/2017 at 13:55 (2,625 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
My grandmother now has this machine actually, and she really likes it. To use her words, "the clothes feel squeaky clean and crisp, not slicky like they did in my old washer where I had to rinse everything twice". She brags about it everytime we get on the phone, about how she likes the lights and how it's so quiet she forgets it's on. She says she's only used the Deep Fill option once or twice because it uses more water than she thinks it needs, and seems happy with the water it uses automatically. Since having my BravosXL, she likes watching it run when she's here, so I think that acclimated her to seeing lower water levels and how the clothes roll from the middle to the outside. I haven't gotten to see or try it out in person since this is the grandmother that lives in Montgomery, but from Joeypete's videos, it seems to do a fantastic job with movement with both HE water levels and deep fills.
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| Post# 920103 , Reply# 4 2/8/2017 at 15:28 (2,625 days old) by Bobbi (Pennsylvania) | ||
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GREAT turnover! It does look like it performs very well. | ||
| Post# 920134 , Reply# 5 2/8/2017 at 18:26 (2,625 days old) by brastemp (Brazil) | ||
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I think is the best agitator washer for the moment. (my opinion, I disagree Speed Queen is the Best) | ||
| Post# 920217 , Reply# 6 2/8/2017 at 23:10 (2,625 days old) by Stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK) | ||
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| Post# 920265 , Reply# 7 2/9/2017 at 08:49 (2,625 days old) by brastemp (Brazil) | ||
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Hi, Roberto. I really like the smaller models with impeller. In the new model with big capacity I felt that agitator was small and impaired rollover. | ||
| Post# 920336 , Reply# 10 2/9/2017 at 14:10 (2,624 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs) | ||
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| Post# 920462 , Reply# 11 2/10/2017 at 05:05 (2,624 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
So... | ||
| Post# 920493 , Reply# 12 2/10/2017 at 08:50 (2,624 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
That's a little backwards isn't it? | ||
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Post# 920498 , Reply# 13 2/10/2017 at 09:44 (2,624 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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I've checked mine during the rinse on the Deep Water cycle and it fills with just as much water on the rinse as it does during the wash. I have found that this washer rinses just as well or better than any washer I've ever owned. Never any residual detergent left on the clothes. This is the same for the Powerwash which also uses more water than normal as well as the Bulky Cycle. And I can assure you that this washer uses more water that the LG FL did, when I used Water Plus, which I always found necessary.
Eddie | ||
| Post# 920535 , Reply# 14 2/10/2017 at 15:56 (2,623 days old) by runematic (southcentral pa) | ||
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| Post# 920543 , Reply# 15 2/10/2017 at 16:42 (2,623 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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| Post# 920561 , Reply# 16 2/10/2017 at 18:00 (2,623 days old) by washerdude (Canada ) | ||
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I can't help but notice how quiet this machine is! | ||
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Post# 920638 , Reply# 17 2/11/2017 at 01:42 (2,623 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc) |
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Quiet?Whirr-Clunk-Whirr?How well does the circulation do with a "Bob-Load" and completely water filled tub?The tub indexes when the machine agitates.Think I will save for a SQ!And the pretty control panel lights worry me if thunderstorms attack!!!You will have to unplug this one! | ||
| Post# 920848 , Reply# 18 2/11/2017 at 22:44 (2,622 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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There is no correlation between the amount of agitation vs. the amount the tub indexes. It's designed to index. The planetary gear torque converter allows the motor to push against the basket rather than the entire tub, which prevents the outer tub from twisting back and forth by the force and instead that force is transferred to movement of the basket. The BPM motor is able to sense the amount of indexing to make sure that there is the same level of agitation in both directions regardless of the weight or size of the load. That means if there is nothing in the washer, and the agitator makes exact 360 degree oscillations each way, then the tub may barely index at all. With a heavy load, the motor ensures the agitator will still reach 360 degrees each way, but the tub will index more, absorbing the torsion of the increased load and keeping it off the outer tub and suspension. This was a design update coming up from the Oasis/SmartDrive platform, where when washing a heavy load, you can see the outer tub violently twisting opposite the agitation direction. While it didn't cause major widespread issues, I can see why they would make the change. In addition yet unrelated to the indexing subject, the planetary gearbox takes stress off the motor by allowing the rotor to spin 2-3 times for every 1 rotation of the agitator, rather than 1 for 1, such as the way my Oasis works.
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| Post# 920855 , Reply# 19 2/11/2017 at 23:03 (2,622 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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Also, from what I've seen of this machine through FaceTiming lately with the grandmother who owns this machine (after requesting that she try the option and show me how it works, despite us both knowing it's a waste of water), it seems to do just fine with a full load on the deep water setting. The clothes still reverse roll from the middle to the outside, but they move evenly and everything still comes out clean and perfectly rinsed. Somehow, despite being stationary, the corkscrew pole still seems to act as a reverse auger, because the counter clockwise rotations result in quick bursts of rollover each time. I imagine this is because the scooped vanes on the impeller AND the auger vanes are pushing in the same direction in that stroke, whereas in the clockwise stroke, they're pushing against each other.
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| Post# 920990 , Reply# 20 2/12/2017 at 18:42 (2,621 days old) by stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK) | ||
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Post# 921365 , Reply# 21 2/14/2017 at 17:43 (2,619 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA) |
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I wonder if this one has the unmarked cycle at the 6:00 position? I've got to find time to figure out what it does. | ||
| Post# 921392 , Reply# 22 2/14/2017 at 20:32 (2,619 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
me if i had to replace tommorow my whirlpool duet washer  | ||
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Post# 921699 , Reply# 23 2/16/2017 at 03:31 (2,618 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney) |
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Shouldn't the auger be continuously turning clockwise during agitation? What is the point of it going back and forth, when the corkscrew is meant to push clothes towards the bottom of the agitator, but with every anti-clockwise turn it does the opposite. | ||
| Post# 921720 , Reply# 24 2/16/2017 at 06:54 (2,618 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
No it does NOT deep fill on rinses, even with the option selected...except for the Bedding cycle, which fills as much as the wash cycle. Honestly I use the Deep Fill option for most of my loads. I only do laundry once a week now so I generally have a lot of stuff to wash. With the Deep Fill, there's rarely a need to extra rinsing and the HE rinse does just fine. If I wash a large load on HE, I will use Extra Rinse. Otherwise it's fine.
It's a great washer and I'm very happy with it. Rollover is slower, but that's the way these HE machine work and why they wash longer. It cleans exceptionally well.The whole unit turning only one way works fine actually...on larger loads with Deep Fill, the agitator helps to keep the clothes moving around...even without a "dual action" movement. The clunk you hear only happens occasionally and when there is a light load of clothes...it's also a common thing on these types of machines. I really recommend it to anyone... | ||
| Post# 921732 , Reply# 26 2/16/2017 at 07:36 (2,618 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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It does have a practical purpose on large loads, it keeps them from balling up. Something I complained about on my Kenmore 28102 with just an impeller...washing comforters was a chore...I had to constantly re-adjust it because it would just roll over itself. The agitator in this machine keeps things in check.
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Post# 921733 , Reply# 27 2/16/2017 at 07:48 (2,618 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney) |
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Of course, and the familiar corkscrew design does look more impressive than a plain center post. | ||
| Post# 921739 , Reply# 28 2/16/2017 at 08:30 (2,618 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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The corkscrew is ratcheted, so it only rotates in one direction, and actually provides more rollover, unless the water level is too low. Nothing to do with aesthetics. | ||
| Post# 921774 , Reply# 29 2/16/2017 at 11:43 (2,618 days old) by runematic (southcentral pa) | ||
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Post# 921807 , Reply# 30 2/16/2017 at 17:09 (2,617 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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| Post# 921866 , Reply# 31 2/16/2017 at 21:15 (2,617 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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| Post# 921952 , Reply# 32 2/17/2017 at 07:16 (2,617 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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LOL @Andrew
Yes it is definitely a 1 piece design. The bottom part is the same as the machine without an agitator in design..except that I think the other model might have some holes in the bottom. It's interesting to watch this machine as it fills, if you add the Deep Fill option...it will "bloom" just like the impeller machines...as water is added the bloom gets faster then at a certain point it slows down and you get a more side to side movement similar to the GE Hydrowave. So there's a breaking point at which the bloom action becomes less effective...but that's why this machine will wash for a long time on HE mode, before filling...most of the cleaning happens at that stage. It will also continue to agitate as it fills. So by the time the machine is full of water, it will generally wash for another 10 minutes or so, depending on soil level. I suppose if they could design it that way, it would be neat to have the agitator become a dual action unit once it fills completely with water. Maybe with a timed locking mechanism? Not sure if that's possible, but would give more traditional rollover when completely full. Granted it does reverse direction during the cycle, so items get churned up quite a bit.
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| Post# 921986 , Reply# 33 2/17/2017 at 12:29 (2,616 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Auger Action? | ||
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Post# 922018 , Reply# 35 2/17/2017 at 18:01 (2,616 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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Oh I agree, that center post, spiral or not, was just placed there to aid in loading of clothing, versus issues of people not paying attention to loading towards the outside of the basket and keeping the center dome 'open'...
this basically forces them to......consider it their 'idiot' light, or lack there of!...as in 'nobody's home! many don't have a glass lid, and for the most part, people just load and go, with out a thought as to what is happening inside.... the second benefit of this style machine, they incorporated a softener dispenser in the center....versus the $2.00 Downy Ball that was included with your $700.00 machine... | ||
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Post# 922033 , Reply# 36 2/17/2017 at 18:47 (2,616 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Having owned a Whirlpool Cabrio with the impeller about 7 yrs ago and now a Maytag MWVC415EW like in the video Martin posted, I really like the Maytag better than the Cabrio.
With the Cabrio I was very careful to load around the tub, leaving the center open as much as possible. But I always had problems with towels and levi's going out of balance. The machine would attempt to balance by re filling for the rinse, and if I didn't babysit it it would fill over and over, never balancing itself. I had loaded everything in a balanced way, but for some reason these loads were always a problem. Now the Maytag, with the agipeller has never gone out of balance, except once when I washed the Rubbermaid tub mat with the cotton shower curtain, and cotton woven bathmat. I knew this probably go out of balance because of the rubber mat so I sayed close for the spin cycles. I just pressed pause, opened the lid, redistributed the load and all was well. We have a set of bath towel from Pottery Barn that were a gift. The are so heavy, they are like rugs. In my LG FL, even using low spin speed it took 2 hrs. to wash these because each of the 3 spins took at least 15 mins just to decide that it would spin. The Maytag washs these towels, and rinses them beautifully on the Deep Water Cycle, heavy soil, hot water in 55 mins. and never goes out of balance. So my experince is that the agipeller does help some loads to keep themselves around the tub, instead of moving to the center. And I agree with Martin that it probably does encourage people to load properly. Sorry to ramble on, but I really do like this machine. Its a real set and forget kind of machine, which is what an automatic washer should be. I don't feel like I need to keep an eye on what its doing cause it just does what it supposed to do and does it well. Eddie | ||
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Post# 922042 , Reply# 37 2/17/2017 at 19:42 (2,616 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA) |
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I really like that the 415 will start to fill immediately. My 425 dicks around 'senseing" around. | ||
| Post# 922154 , Reply# 38 2/18/2017 at 10:32 (2,616 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) | ||
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| Post# 922158 , Reply# 39 2/18/2017 at 10:49 (2,616 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Just Got Home... From the bestbuy, where I needed to replace a failing bluray player. While there, I strolled over to the appliances section. Took a good look at this machine. I really like the feel on the cycle knob. Very heavy substantial point of contact. The model with the wash plate was powered up. Of course I set a spin only cycle to test it for sound. Much quieter spin than I expected. Whirlpool may have finally gotten this one right, IMO. Malcolm | ||
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