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Post# 921360   2/14/2017 at 17:18 (490 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Does anyone have pics of or know how the pump in this machine works? Does it have an impeller or filter? Motor HP? I am a bit clueless, but I have a strong urge to buy one of these:[KDTM384...

Post# 921371 , Reply# 1   2/14/2017 at 18:41 (489 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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It uses their new clean water wash system filter.  I have the Kenmore Elite equivalent.  Sears calls it the Micro Clean filter. 

Post# 921374 , Reply# 2   2/14/2017 at 18:58 (489 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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I have the model before this, non window.....stainless on stainless

cleans like the dickens, no pre-rinsing.....

soak n scrub pulses the motor/water about every 5 minutes......

top rack if in the lowest setting can hold dinner plates.....capacity is out of this world....for a family of 5, takes about 2 to 3 days to rack could have a flatter bottom, some items want to topple over....

TOO quiet!....sometimes not a good thing, I like to know whats going on inside...

that window might help, but apparently you can't turn the light on while its running, pro and con

Normal Wash, High Temp Wash, High Temp Rinse, No Heat Dry....takes about 90 minutes....

puzzling part...if NO Heat Dry is selected, it still counts down the timer as if don't know its done until the light glows green....I rather know when the last drain is complete, and just open the door...

Post# 921380 , Reply# 3   2/14/2017 at 19:49 (489 days old) by Appnut (TX)        

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Yogi's being different pump design -- the m9del in question is different in a positive way as far as I am concerned. I prefer self cleaning filter.

Post# 921408 , Reply# 4   2/14/2017 at 22:02 (489 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        
clean water wash system filter

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Never heard of this. Any pics or links? If its self cleaning I'm sold. And I take it that it has the 4 way spray arm?

Post# 921420 , Reply# 5   2/14/2017 at 22:29 (489 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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The KDTM354 and KDTM384 have the 4-way wash arm.  All other KDTM models have motorized wash arms. 

Post# 921425 , Reply# 6   2/14/2017 at 22:42 (489 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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mine has a self cleaning filter system.......

it also has the cross style hydro sweep wash arm......

it should have had the 'S' style....still cannot figure out that one.....

newer models went to a 'X' type hydro sweep wash arm.....

wonder if I could switch out for the Dynamic Wash Arm as shown on this linked model....I like the racks in this one too.....a steeper price tag too...


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Post# 921432 , Reply# 7   2/14/2017 at 23:09 (489 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Martin, thank you.  I stand corrected.  I thought you had a KDTE104 or KDTE204  model rather than a KDTM.  I agree, really do like the racks of the KDTM804.  They remind me of the old commercial undercounter Hobart like what used to be at my church from the 1990s.  .

Post# 921433 , Reply# 8   2/14/2017 at 23:13 (489 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

Speaking of resource saving...does KitchenAid still make the model that holds the final rinse water to prewash the next load of dishes? I expected that feature to eventually find its way into their entire line, but that certainly hasn't happened.

Post# 921436 , Reply# 9   2/14/2017 at 23:22 (489 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        
Side note on that

I think Whirlpool was the first to bring this to DW here in Europe. However, due to the additional complexity of the diverter system involved kept it from creeping down into the verry basic efficency trimmed machines and as it's benefits are often limited. Water usage isn't factored much into energy labels except a small note, and 6 vs 9l isn't that much to most consumers. A++ vs A+++ however is.

Post# 921481 , Reply# 10   2/15/2017 at 06:56 (489 days old) by Magic_Clean (Florida)        
Water saving dishwasher

Available at IKEA:

Water Conservation System (On Model: 202.889.20 / IUD8500DX)
This Dishwasher uses less water while maintaining excellent cleaning performance. This works by using a water reservoir that
re-purposes the water from the final rinse, reheats it, and uses it to pre rinse the dishes in the next cycle. Fresh water is used to finish
cleaning your dishes. The reservoir is self-maintained by emptying any unused water after 3 days at the beginning of the next cycle. In
addition, it automatically runs a cleaning cycle every 30 days and or 30 cycles, whichever comes first during the next cycle.


Post# 921567 , Reply# 11   2/15/2017 at 16:45 (489 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

logixx's profile picture criticized the AquaSense KitchenAid dishwasher for redeposit on the long Normal cycle. Actually, even our German consumer magazine mentioned redeposit on the German Bauknecht dishwasher with water recycling.

The KDTE554CSS's performance was not up to par with other high-end dishwashers. Its Normal cycle took almost three hours to finish, and it left visible milk and oatmeal stains behind. The Normal also had problems with redeposit, as spinach particles were found on other items—even on the glasses loaded on the top rack. (c)

Post# 921795 , Reply# 12   2/16/2017 at 15:01 (488 days old) by lotsosudz (Sacramento, CA)        
What about Drying?

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They dance around what Pro Dry does, and only tells you what it does not do. How does it work? I dislike when a manufacturer dances around, instead of just coming out and telling you what the hell is going on.

Post# 921800 , Reply# 13   2/16/2017 at 15:53 (488 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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I think with the ProDry, their going back to adding a fan to aid in the removal of moisture rather than the convection only drying....

Post# 921804 , Reply# 14   2/16/2017 at 16:33 (488 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Most upper KA models offer no-heat dry, heat dry, and ProDry.  I have the Kenmore Elite equivalent--no heat dry, Smart Dry, & Smart Dry Plus.  Depending upon cycle and wash cycle option selected impacts how the dry cycle operates.  If I use Sani Rinse, the heater pulses on and off, regardless of which heated dry option is used.  I usually use Pots & Pans or Smart Wash.  Smart Dry gives about a 50 minute dry phase and the little fan turns on about 25 minutes into it.  Smart Dry Plus gives about a 1:32 minute dry cycle.    Once a dry cycle is finished, the little fan stays on for another hour to help draw out moi9sture.  Normal cycle is totally different given it's the cycle used for energy star certification.  Smart dry is 30 minutes of heat, but no fan.  Smart Dry Plus offers the 1:32 minute dry.  In my experience, Smart Dry Plus even yields those disposable plastics practically bone dry. 

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