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Amway Sa8 Liquid
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Post# 924537   3/2/2017 at 17:08 (205 days old) by Liberatordeluxe (Chelmsford, United Kingdom)        

Has or is anyone currently using the Amway Sa8 liquid for regular laundry? How do you rate cleaning performance compared to Ariel? I have noticed they have put optical brighteners back into the liquid yet again!

Post# 924612 , Reply# 1   3/3/2017 at 08:05 (205 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
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I am underwhelmed.

The powder has only one enzyme - subtilisin (protease).

More importantly, they seem to have a problem distinguishing dishwashing detergents from laundry products! Look at the "Colour" and "Baby" laundry detergents, at the bottom of the page...


Post# 924626 , Reply# 2   3/3/2017 at 08:48 (205 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
I have not used Amway

in decades, since I learned their LOC "liquid organic cleaner" wasn't organic. Of course, it depends on your definition of organic. Some say ammonia, or bleach is organic.

Post# 924628 , Reply# 3   3/3/2017 at 09:07 (205 days old) by Paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)        
I wouldn't buy

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anything from Amway. The DeVos are outspokenly ant-gay.

Post# 924629 , Reply# 4   3/3/2017 at 09:15 (205 days old) by kd12 (Arkansas)        
Noisy disposal

I remember in the 70s the local Amway guy coming to the house. My dad bought some garbage disposal cleaners from him. They were small cakes, solid like pumice rock. You dropped one in the garbage disposal and turned it on. Made the damnedest noise, but was supposed to clean and sharpen the blades tat the same time. Anyone remember those?

Post# 924686 , Reply# 5   3/3/2017 at 15:34 (205 days old) by liberatordeluxe (Chelmsford, United Kingdom)        

I see what you mean Rolls Rapide. This will be last order with Amway as the ingredients are not the same on the products as on their website. They are forever changing ingreients but not updating them on their website which is unprofessional and shows they don't care really. Back to Ariel it is.

Post# 924689 , Reply# 6   3/3/2017 at 15:45 (205 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        

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If it is any consolation, the Which? magazine tested laundry detergents and came to this conclusion:

Best powders for keeping whites white were Lidl's Formil Biological and Procter & Gamble's Ariel Biological. These powders would fade coloured items though.

Best liquid for keeping whites white was Persil Biological.

Post# 924690 , Reply# 7   3/3/2017 at 15:51 (205 days old) by liberatordeluxe (Chelmsford, United Kingdom)        

Thanks for your comments. Will bare that in mind. I honestly didn't think Liquids were any good at keeping whites white but Which are pretty good and i do normally subscribe to them.

How do you find own brand cleaning to the brands like Ariel or Persil?

Have to say i do not like Daz for its stain removal or Bold!

Post# 924706 , Reply# 8   3/3/2017 at 18:18 (204 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Yes Paul,

the DeVos' do have a theocratic reputation.

Post# 924853 , Reply# 9   3/4/2017 at 08:29 (204 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
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It much depends on where it is made (i.e. which manufacturer is making it).

I have found Lidl's Formil Bio powder (in the green box), to give very good cleaning.

A friend commented on how white my white towels were! But he uses liquitabs and has mostly coloured laundry, that gets washed together. Ultimately in his case, any white items will end up off-white.

Having checked the Lidl ingredients, there appears to be six enzymes in the detergent (protease, lipase, pectate lyase, and three glycosidases).

Tesco Bio seemed to clean okay too, but I wasn't particularly taken by its perfume.

My mum tried the Home Bargains "Ultra" Bio (apparently made by Robert McBride detergents). It didn't clean properly, it foamed quite badly in her Bosch machine, and my dad became allergic to it. So, not exactly a resounding success!

I was in Semi-Chem recently and scanned an eye over their detergents. They had a cheap brand called something like "Essential Rituals", with some kind of flowery fragrance. The packet was a small, 10 wash size, but weighed a ton, compared to the similar sized packet of Ariel! I looked at the ingredient list, and it stated that it contained "metasilicate". Metasilicate was used in the old-style, corrosive dishwasher powders.

As for dishwasher detergents, Lidl's gives good results.

I had purchased a box of the Persil dishwasher tablets (made by McBride detergents) for my mum, but they seem to be leaving a fine, chalky, powdery coating over the stainless steel lining of the dishwasher. I noticed it by the way the light was not being reflected off the open dishwasher door. I won't be buying those again.

Post# 925036 , Reply# 10   3/5/2017 at 06:31 (203 days old) by Liberatordeluxe (Chelmsford, United Kingdom)        

@Rolls_Rapide Do you think Robert Mcbride makes good quality detergents? I know they make them for Sainsburys and Marks and Spencer. Wouldn't think either those companies would have a supplier who produces naff products. I've never tried Surcare but a lot of people with perfume allergies swear by it.

Post# 925339 , Reply# 11   3/6/2017 at 17:36 (201 days old) by Paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)        

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Not sure if you'd be interested but Tesco have just got the new Method liquid in. It's different to the 4x concentrate available in the States and Australia as it's 39 washes per bottle instead of 66 and the ingredients are a little different as it's made in the EU. They also have Seventh Generation liquid from the States too, they've also got SG washing up liquid and spray cleaner.

The Method smells quite fruity but in a nice way. Bargain at £5 per bottle just now. I resisted buying any as I've just had a big Splosh delivery.


Post# 925426 , Reply# 12   3/7/2017 at 05:09 (201 days old) by Liberatordeluxe (Chelmsford, United Kingdom)        

Hello Paul,

I'm interested in the Seventh Generation in particular because it has no brightening agents so better for coloured clothing. Hopefully my Tesco will stock it otherwise can order online from Tesco Direct. Personal preference I don't like optical brighteners simply because they are never rinsed off clothing and not good for the environment.


Post# 925462 , Reply# 13   3/7/2017 at 09:57 (201 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        

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I think McBride detergents are generally of superior quality compared to some of the other cheap brands. For example, Jeyes "Easy" soap powder, was mostly composed of washing soda. McBride's formulations are closer to P&G's and Lever's recipes.

Regarding the chalky dishwasher residue with McBride's licenced Persil: I had noticed in "Which?" that they were asking if consumers have noticed any change in cleaning performance. Apparently, phosphate reduction kicked in on January 2017. I would say the general cleaning is fine, just the rinse-ability needs a bit of tweaking. Rinse-aid is used in the machine.

Post# 925517 , Reply# 14   3/7/2017 at 16:15 (201 days old) by Liberatordeluxe (Chelmsford, United Kingdom)        

In that case Marks and Spencers detergents should be high quality as they are Mcbride products. Any own brands you recommend avoiding? Has anyone tried the Ecozone detergents?

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Post# 925526 , Reply# 15   3/7/2017 at 16:58 (201 days old) by Paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)        

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Is one of the few Eco detergents I didn't try on my 14 month trial of Eco detergents , I just didn't like the smell in the bottle. I think the concentrated version is slightly better.

The bonus of the Seventh Generation liquid is its biological. Ecover now has a bio colour care liquid on general sale in Sainsbury's.

Post# 925527 , Reply# 16   3/7/2017 at 17:02 (201 days old) by Liberatordeluxe (Chelmsford, United Kingdom)        

Have you tried the Seventh Generation yourself? In comparison to Ariel is it any good?

Post# 925654 , Reply# 17   3/8/2017 at 09:50 (200 days old) by Paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)        

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I've not tried Seventh Generation yet. I couldn't compare any of the Eco detergents to the current Ariel range as I haven't bought P&G products for several years.

Post# 925803 , Reply# 18   3/9/2017 at 03:14 (199 days old) by liberatordeluxe (Chelmsford, United Kingdom)        

When I go to a Tesco next I'll get some Seventh Generation and let you know how I find it @ Paul C

Post# 925810 , Reply# 19   3/9/2017 at 05:53 (199 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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"optical brighteners simply because they are never rinsed off"

Yes, they are, eventually.

This is why detergents and fabric softeners along with other products contain OBAs. The chemicals applied when textile was manufactured would wash away eventually with repeated laundering. So the idea came to put the things into detergents and almost everything else that touches laundry to make fabrics "look like new".

If you stop using laundry products with OBAs eventually the level on fabric will decline. You'll notice things do not appear to "pop" in sunlight or under florescent lights. This or simply get a black light blub and test fabrics that way.

OTOH if one is rather keen there are other methods:

Many of the so called "restore" products for whites and colorfast laundry are nothing more than heavy dosages of oxygen bleach and fabric brightening agents.

For those worried about OBAs and skin, you needn't be; human skin is constantly shedding so whatever FWAs that do rub off on skin will soon slough off. Of course continuous contact with textiles treated/laundered with products containing such chemicals will only redeposit again, but there you are.

Post# 926195 , Reply# 20   3/11/2017 at 07:59 (197 days old) by Liberatordeluxe (Chelmsford, United Kingdom)        

Oh right thanks for correcting me Laundress on Optical brighteners. I always thought they were bad for coloured clothing and never got rinsed off but I come to think of it we must of had optical brighteners in the UK anyway since the 80s I believe? Colour care was only an option early to mid 90s.

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