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Post# 925612   3/7/2017 at 23:14 (257 days old) by agitated (michigan)        

Hello All, found postings very informative. Had no idea laundry is so complicated.

Really torn between Speed Queen FL & TL.
I like the FL for water saving & non-agitator features--(like to be able to wash lots of down items & blankets-lots of allergies). But so pricey! and of course the fear the common FL MOLD issues.

Per SQ, their FL dont get mildew & funky smells if door left ajar after use, and that no "sanitary clean" or bleach cycles required.
Sounds too good to be true?
your experiences much appreciated please.
I dont want to end up w an expensive chunk of metal. Help!





Post# 925624 , Reply# 1   3/8/2017 at 04:02 (257 days old) by brucelucenta (Italy)        

Both machines are supposed to be very good and well built. I think it is just a matter of which type machine you prefer. I personally have switched to front loading machines because they are easier on the clothes and you have virtually NO linting or wear on your clothing. It also spins out the clothes better and takes less time to dry.



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Post# 925631 , Reply# 2   3/8/2017 at 05:30 (257 days old) by Easyspindry (Winston-Salem, NC)        
I came home from . . .

. . . the Beltsville, MD wash-in with a SQ front loader. I love it. It's quiet and washes great. When you choose HOT water, that's what you get. It spins out almost all of the water, and the clothes are practically dry when it's finished.

True, it's been only since last August, but I am impressed with the machine. I leave the door open (ajar) when not in use and have never had any mold smell.

I, too, was afraid of the price. But it's paid for now and I'm very happy with it.

Jerry Gay


Post# 925632 , Reply# 3   3/8/2017 at 05:33 (257 days old) by Easyspindry (Winston-Salem, NC)        
Addendum . . .

Some years ago, I had a Whirlpool Duet set -- FL. Left the door ajar and never had a mold problem. Had that machine for 10 years. The washer was better than the dryer.

Jerry Gay


Post# 925633 , Reply# 4   3/8/2017 at 05:39 (257 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

I've had a Speed Queen (aka Huebsch) front loader since 2011.

I always make sure to leave the door ajar and the detergent drawer open after every load. I've never had a problem with mold or mildew, but then again, I live in a very dry climate, especially in winter.

The other trick I've found is to make sure that you occasionally ensure that you do hot water washes and keep fabric softener use to an absolute minimum.. and when you do use it, always use it with a warm water wash, never with a cold one.

My wife loves to do cold water washes, which makes the washer smell a little funky if she does a lot of them in a row. I think this is a side effect of HE style washing and is pretty much unavoidable with any FL machine. The solution to that is to pour about an 1/8th of a cup of bleach into the tub, then do a hot water wash without any clothing in the tub. That always fixes the smell.

Just for the record, when I did have a top loader, it also suffered from the same problem when it came to cold water washes, but it needed an entire cup of bleach to get rid of the smell.


Post# 925634 , Reply# 5   3/8/2017 at 06:32 (257 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        

Since we are on the subject, I also have a few questions about SQ front loaders. Does it also have a true hot fill on the Normal Eco cycle? And does it fill based on load size or is it a timed fill? There seems to be a lot of conflicting info on that.

Post# 925639 , Reply# 6   3/8/2017 at 07:25 (257 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        

Definitely go with front load.

I just happened to list my like new set for sale, and I'm not terribly far from you

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Post# 925644 , Reply# 7   3/8/2017 at 08:20 (257 days old) by agitated (michigan)        

thank you all so much for your prompt input. so happy to find this forum!
SQ was so emphatic that their FL dont get this problem,.. always worry me when they say "never"

Have seen so few posts re SQ FL; horrid tale of one from this forum w leaks/low water- suffered 2 yrs to get SQ to exchange it to TL.
Countless happy TL owners. Versus little written about FL.
Store near me doesnt even have FL on floor.

DH balking at $ and WP Duet fiasco ( i didnt know cold wash was not good thing!) He's pushing for new HE TL, which all sound like junk & prob make me slave to 2-hr cycles while it tries to fix "load imbalance". Tho i know 2 families w Maytag Cenntenials who seem pleased.

Am still favoring SQ FL...


Post# 925693 , Reply# 8   3/8/2017 at 14:15 (257 days old) by agitated (michigan)        

SQ Rep said dont have mold issues & no bleach or "routine maintainance" cycle because of special spin design?

Post# 925702 , Reply# 9   3/8/2017 at 15:19 (257 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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The only advantage a SQ FL machine may have over any other is that the outer tub is stainless instead of plastic like most every other machine out there. There 'might' be some advantage to stainless as far as having biological growth on the surface.

But in any case, if you use a good detergent in proper quantities, wash in hot water at least some of the time, use bleach once and again and leave the door open when not in use, any front load machine will stay odor free. If a front load washer gets smelly, the users habits caused it.

Over in Europe the majority of washers are front load machines, the people over there don't seem to have funky smelling washers. Here in the US where people used their poor laundry habits left over from their top load machine in their new front loader, they ended up with smelly washer syndrome. Then instead of learning how to correct their error, they go and sue the manufacturers. Clearly the machine is the problem, "I know how to do laundry" lol


Post# 925707 , Reply# 10   3/8/2017 at 15:55 (257 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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bottom line.....with ANY machine....

if there was an issue caused by the machine or its function, production would have stopped...

and ALL of the machines would have it....

there has to be something to the fact, some of us:

DON'T have a 'clean washer' cycle on our machines...nor a reason to use/need one

DON'T wash in cold water for every single load...

DON'T leave the door open...

DON'T leave the dispenser drawer open...

DON'T have to do any special wipe down or maintenance....

I never had to, and never will.....


in fact, any used machine we get in that is scummed up, mold/mildew issues, bad odors.....those issues clear up after several uses....and are never seen again....

it's as simple as that......



Post# 925712 , Reply# 11   3/8/2017 at 16:44 (257 days old) by golittlesport (California)        
mold is caused by user error

I don't believe smelly front load washers are as common as one might think. And I also believe that any that are moldy are caused by user error -- cold water only washes, too much fabric softener and not letting the machine air out and dry after use.

I've had front loading washers since the year 2000 and never experienced mold or smells. I have many friends and family members who also have front load machines and never have a problem. In fact, I personally do not know anyone who has.

Some crafty lawyers got together a class action suit of people who did not follow the directions that came with their washers and sued a few manufacturers. That made the news and created the mold hysteria out there.


Post# 925716 , Reply# 12   3/8/2017 at 17:09 (256 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0700 CDT.))        
Go for the SQ FL

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I have had mine almost a year now and am quite happy with it. It is a very well made machine and is much faster than other machines. Also if you do have a problem it is easier to fix than many others.
WK78


Post# 925723 , Reply# 13   3/8/2017 at 17:56 (256 days old) by washerdude (Canada )        

Front loaders are the way to go nowadays, before switching to a FL i owned a WP DD top load for 14 years. I was skeptical at first, but our new two year old FL cleans better than our old machine ever did.

Post# 925725 , Reply# 14   3/8/2017 at 18:08 (256 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0700 CDT.))        
Agreed Washerdude:

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I was a staunch WP DD man until I got my SQ FL. I wouldn't go back.
WK78


Post# 925931 , Reply# 15   3/10/2017 at 02:52 (255 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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I've had a FL since 1997 (and it's still going) and have never had any issue with mold either.  Like the others have said, if it were a manufacturer problem they would ALL have mold issues.


Post# 925957 , Reply# 16   3/10/2017 at 06:26 (255 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

Here's the other problem...

Whirlpool once designed a machine with an outer tub not only made out of plastic, but with lots of crevices and spots where gunk could accumulate. (Picture shown below.)

In almost every video I've seen where the tech is doing a bearing replacement, the back of these tubs are absolutely filthy with gunk and residue. This could be what causes the majority of moldy smells in these machines.

So, why all these crevices? They're there to give the plastic strength so it actually is firm enough to hold the form it needs to, because obviously using thicker plastic was too expensive, I'm guessing.

So yeah, SQ machines, having a stainless outer tub, don't need anything to give the steel more strength, so no crevices to trap gunk.

I'm not sure if newer Whirlpool machines now have a smooth rear now, but it would make sense that they learned from this engineering mistake.


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Post# 925962 , Reply# 17   3/10/2017 at 06:43 (255 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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the Frigmore my neighbor gave me a few years ago had that same tub back in it.  But hers wasn't gunked up...she must have used hot and warm washes frequently.  Stainless steel is one of the many reasons I own Asko and Miele machines, plus the fact that the massive behemoths we have now won't fit in my laundry closet.


Post# 925963 , Reply# 18   3/10/2017 at 07:01 (255 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Plastic Outer Tubs In FL Washers

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Are all filled with ribs for the etra strengh needed for them to work.

 

The plastic outer tubs and the cheaper concrete ballast weights that most FL washers use limit their maximum life spans a lot, Speed Queens SS outer tubs and cast iron ballast weights allow their FL washers to last over 25,000 loads before they start to have serious fatigue issues.

 

We are about to change out two SQ stack washer-dryers at a famous hotel in Washington DC next week that are 5 and 6 six years old, and have been used about 20 times a day so each of them has washed and dried between 30,000 and 40,000 loads each, and after a little refreshing we will likley resell both pairs, neither washer has ever had new bearings, new motors or either the control or motor circuit boards replaced.

Both washers have had new inlet valves, new door boots, start switches and a few knobs replaced. The dryers have had a roller or two replaced, one motor and a temp switch and a timer and a few knobs between the two, not even a heating element in either because they are being operated on 208 volt power instead of 240 volts.

 

John L.

 

 


Post# 925969 , Reply# 19   3/10/2017 at 07:13 (255 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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My grandma has a Miele washer - the outside of the drum is coated with stinky yellow sludge that even a boil wash with citric acid didn't touch.

My Duet has a platic outer drum and it's pristine.

So to me, it all comes down to proper usage.


Post# 925970 , Reply# 20   3/10/2017 at 07:16 (255 days old) by Gyrafoam (Roanoke, VA)        

One advantage the Europeans have is the ability to seriously boost water temperature.

I bought a new FriGEMore in 1997. It's low mileage and having been dropped to free-fall down a flight of stairs when only a few months old, is tough as nails. No repairs.
Just a dent on the rear console.
I have never had mold or odor issues with it, although the dispenser drawer requires regular cleaning.
I also tend to wash everything in hot water, and always leave the door ajar after use.

I've never known anyone with a SQ front loader that had mold or odor issues, so they must be doing things right.


Post# 925973 , Reply# 21   3/10/2017 at 07:40 (255 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
@JohnL...

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John,

It would be interesting to see a couple pictures of these trade in machines when you get them back in the shop. Please post, if you can...

Malcolm


Post# 925980 , Reply# 22   3/10/2017 at 08:09 (255 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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heres a Neptune inner drum after a tear down....hot/warm washes, bleach with the whites....this was at 14 years of service....

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Post# 925997 , Reply# 23   3/10/2017 at 10:05 (255 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        
tub access envy (off topic)

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I envy you all who can open your tubs on older front loaders.
It's come to my attention that Whirlpool's new direct drive FL architecture (MT WP) have glued/sealed tub halves.
They're only sold as a $700 assembly.
NO access to the spiders. Or the bearings. It's all sealed now. >:[

It's one of the reasons I BOUGHT a Maxima in the first place, after seeing all the relatively easy bearing changes that could be done on the older Duets and Epics. I never would've minded swapping out bearings every several years if I got a nice solid washer in other aspects.
Not anymore. And I'm peeved. These bearings better last.


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Post# 926004 , Reply# 24   3/10/2017 at 10:32 (255 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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I caught that sealed tub machine while stumbling upon a yoututbe vid of a guy who was able to get around that sealed tub....and repair his machine.....apparently, it can be done...







Post# 926021 , Reply# 25   3/10/2017 at 13:18 (255 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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yeeeeesh, that looks like a looooot of trouble.
But doable..... :/


Post# 926198 , Reply# 26   3/11/2017 at 08:43 (254 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
Sealed Tubs

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The reason for the sealed tubs is to "encourage" new sales.

That way, the bearings wear out, the consumer baulks at the cost of renewing the drum-tub assembly (where parts are available), the consumer considers other aged components (suspension, electronics, etc.), and the consumer ultimately decides (actually, they don't decide, they're forced) to buy a new machine.

And the new machine will have all these lovely gimmicky 'bells and whistles', but sadly will not be built to last any length of time - even less than the machine which preceded it.

Meanwhile, the rubbish pile gets bigger...

The whole situation is dire. In fact, it is a complete crock of shit.


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Post# 926200 , Reply# 27   3/11/2017 at 09:09 (254 days old) by washerdude (Canada )        
Sealed Tubs

The tub on the newer WP FL's are not 100% sealed. They use the same tub clip method of attaching the two half's of the tub just like on the older duets. I'm sure if bearings failed, you could always use high quality Nachi bearings. But at the same time, they don't sell the god damn spider or tub seal, however I'm assuming you could get away with a non OEM seal too...spider seems to be a one time deal only...

Post# 926234 , Reply# 28   3/11/2017 at 14:26 (254 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
The old Duets engineering mistake?

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Not if you do laundry properly and leave door and dispenser open. I have an OLD duet that is 12 yrs old next month, and never had a trace of mold or smells. This is the case with all FL washers. They won't smell if you do these things *UNLESS* something is drastically wrong with the washer.

Post# 926238 , Reply# 29   3/11/2017 at 14:40 (254 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
Oh forgot to add

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It does piss me off when I see manufacturer's touting energy savings and being eco friendly - (like that article above said) but, in reality, it's just the opposite! If people are throwing out double the amount of laundry appliances than they once were and paying for new ones, there's nothing eco friendly about that at all. I've been so lucky with my machine and I hope it lasts me a few more years at least. I wonder if the total cycle count on my Duet is lower than average? I'm thinking an average of 4 loads per week, usually rather large loads - sometimes a little more, sometimes less, so say 20 loads per month to be safe - at 12 years old, that would mean my duet has only done around 2,880 cycles. Just say 3,000 to be safe. Where other families do laundry DAILY! MUCH MUCH MORE. That could be part of the reason I've been so lucky.

Post# 926255 , Reply# 30   3/11/2017 at 16:03 (254 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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people way of thinking surprises me....

do you think dishwashers would have the same issues if only COLD water was used?...we don't leave those doors open or anything!....stacking dishes in there until a full load is met, so odors can happen, but once we run a cycle, that is all gone....

where is the true thought in energy savings.....running a load several times to get the clothes clean?....running an empty machine, completely filled with HOT water to clean it?.....or, wash in cold water to save our clothing from fading or shrinking, and yet most will toss them into a 160 degree dryer, way hotter than most water heater settings....

were not asking for every fill to be hot water.....just the first wash...and what does that equal, 3 to 4 gallons tops!

seems like simple practices like hot/warm washes.....will eliminate having a mold/mildew issue, eliminate running a clean washer cycle, and most likely less break down time or replacement of a machine....

amazing how many people will never understand any of this....seems like a lot of people just want to complain, they don't want the cause, the answer, or the fix!

how many threads have and/or will we see on this subject?





Post# 926261 , Reply# 31   3/11/2017 at 17:15 (253 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0700 CDT.))        
Cold washing bullshit:

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I never have and never will do cold washes. Cold water is for RINSING hot water is for WASHING. Nuff said.
WK78


Post# 926276 , Reply# 32   3/11/2017 at 19:19 (253 days old) by washerdude (Canada )        

I've heard people recommend to wash whites in cold water...YUCK! No way that's ever going to happen at our house.

Post# 926314 , Reply# 33   3/11/2017 at 21:59 (253 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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"The reason for the sealed tubs is to "encourage" new sales. "

I really don't believe that this is true. The reason manufacturers might switch to a sealed tub would be for manufacturing cost savings and less likely hood of a leak.

Consider these things:

The main bearing and shaft seal really don't fail that often, especially if the machine is used correctly.

When confronted with a malfunctioning machine that is say 5 or 6 years old, what percentage of owners even bother to consider servicing the machine??

Of that small percent of people that would call for service, only a tiny percent of them will choose to replace the main bearing and seal if that were the failure. Even in a non-sealed tub machine we are talking a $500 repair, most are condemned at this point.

So looking at those factors, a sealed tub really means nothing different will happen. Five year old machines that need bearings will be scrapped either way. Us appliance aficionados that believe in repair no matter what are few and far between. Sure it is an annoyance for us, but it really won't force more sales by way of planned obsolescence.

I too would LOVE to return to times where machines were repaired and not replaced anytime they fail. But I'd also like to return to the times where NOBODY drank bottled water!!! In the grand scheme of things, single use plastic bottles are FAR worse for the environment then disposable appliances, even if they are properly recycled.


Post# 926316 , Reply# 34   3/11/2017 at 22:11 (253 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
thats the problem these days

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i can say thats clearly a problem if it was not for my aunt also my mom aunt for keeping the bill and sale paper for her 6 year old fridge that she had to call for a repair a couple of years ago the tech would of told her to replace her fridge i think the same go for washers and dryers, picture is an exemple there was a time where appliance could last up to 40 years and where easy to repair and also unless you can repair the machine yourself and have good experiance the trouble with modern machine they make them so that after 10 years or more of service the customer trying to get a call for a repair have to buy a new machine because depending on the tech they rather advise replacement than repairing the washer that is sad

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Post# 926367 , Reply# 35   3/12/2017 at 10:28 (253 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Sealed Outer Tub assemblies On New FL Washers

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Are probably a good cost saving idea on FL washers with cheap plastic outer tubs. A sealed tub assembly will save many machines getting junked early because of leaking outer tub seam seal leaks.

 

Also keep in mind FL washer bearings almost never fail unless water gets past the main seal and ruins the bearings.

 

Bearing life is not affected by spin speed, load size, even the amount of use the washer gets to a measurable degree.

 

The main issue if you want to replace the bearings in any FL washer is making sure that the main seal assembly is in perfect condition, ultra premium SS bearings etc will not make any difference in life, SS sealed bearings will not work any longer if exposed to water and detergent.

 

If you want a reparable washer that has the potential to last 30+ years today there is ONLY one reasonable choice for the average home, A Speed Queen FL Washer.

 

John L.


Post# 926379 , Reply# 36   3/12/2017 at 12:49 (253 days old) by Stricklybojack (San Diego, CA)        

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In regards to mold, we have kept the door ajar on ours and had no problems however you MUST wipe the black rubber tub seal regularly as water/moisture hides there and gets nasty fast.

The SQ FL is chock a block full of very expensive parts that will never make it to the 30 year mark.
I can't make it to 30 loads per $600 motor board on mine...no exaggeration.
FL washers are only as good as the electronics that run them and SQ's are made in Mexico and prone to failure sooner or later...but not 30 years later by a long stretch.
FL machines are disposable devices at this point, if you choose SQ I implore to get the models with a 5 year warranty. That said, be aware you can easily replicate this warranty on other brand machines through third party consumer insurance vendors.
I used to love my SQ on the ocassions it worked...but now feel oh so suckered by the 30 year BS after it started breaking on a nearly monthly basis.
Reviewed.com calls them a "cult washer" brand, meaning for drinkers of the kook-Aid only, in all measurable areas they woefully underperform for the price.

Yes the TL machines are much beloved but the FL design is new as of two years ago and is very thinly distributed to home owners compared with what a consumer behemoth like Whirlpool puts out. Meaning it takes much longer to teethe through the design/manufacturing bugs via the feedback loop with the installed base of customers. To paraphrase an old car joke, Whirlpool looses more consumer FL washers than SQ makes.

Yes I may have been "unlucky" with my machine but don't buy a FL machine based solely on considerations like stainless tubs and what not cause it's just a better arrangement of deck chairs on a washer Titanic that is skippered by questionable quality control in a sea of electronic icebergs....ahem, imo.
And btw, even on the sturdy-build-front the SQ is weirdly flimsy in very conspicuous places, like the door and the start button (I have the rear control "knobs" model), to name two big ones for me. Every time I use it I think, "really, of all the start buttons you could have picked." I then wonder, "just to save how many cents?". Same with the door, it just feels chintzy.




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Post# 926385 , Reply# 37   3/12/2017 at 13:16 (253 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
lots of factor comes in when it comes to front load washers

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well there are alot of factors that comes when deciding to buy a front load thats what i have right now but not closing the door eather on going back to a good old fashion top load washer,

1 capacety of the washer for the wash drum

2 cycle needed and wash time for the load

3 years of use right now i have a 13 year old whirlpool duet washer dryer set going on its 14 year of use this summer no repairs on the washer only a service cleanup on the dryer because of to much lint but there will come a time when they will need to be replace and the big question is do you went to spend time having a tech because the washer is defective since day 1 if it would of been the case mny mom and i would of ask the store where we purchuse or whirlpool duet to exchange the model on day 1 there are alot of factors to think of but the main point of my post is depends on how many load per weeks or days the washer will be use.


Post# 926388 , Reply# 38   3/12/2017 at 14:06 (253 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
Pierre

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Your duet is older than mine. I know back then they were built in Germany - Maybe that's why? LOL. Why do I get the feeling that we will not be so lucky with our next set? Then again, I said the same thing about this set when I got it. I thought in 2005 there would be NO way I would still have this machine continuing to work in 2017

@ agitated - Some real disagreements in this post regarding SQ longevity. Personally, I've never had a SQ but I'm sure their machines are built much better than WP or LG/Samsung, GE, etc. I think you have been unlucky and just gotten a hold of a really buggy machine where something is wrong somewhere. What surprises me most is that they won't replace the thing (especially at this point), which is kind of a turn off and shocking since they are so expensive.


Post# 926453 , Reply# 39   3/12/2017 at 21:41 (252 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
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thank you mark_wpduet my secret is for 1 thing thanks to this site i have seen the light and now wash light color heavy duty using hot water heavey duty cycle colors warm water but my secret is i do not neglect doing a monthly cleanup using eather tide clean regular bleach white cycle or just water let the washer run a full cycle empty and it cleans it using hot water of course so far doing my home work when after chrismas my mom and i had to replace the dishwasher while in the store i have look at the speed queen topload model awn432 and its matching dryer would use the same pattern sure its a top load but my mom and i have not close the door on buying frontload because in the long term we went a stack set and stack the dryer on top the washer but doing that means costly renos but its good to have options thats the set i have look and i like the old fashion timer knob but not du to be replace yet but if my mom and i have to since i am the one doing the laundry for my mom and i speed queen would be my number1 choice

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Post# 928586 , Reply# 40   3/23/2017 at 21:22 (241 days old) by agitated (michigan)        

Thanks to all who have posted re my question re Speed Queen. I took a leap & got the SQ FL, awesome looking machine. DH is engineer & says sturdy material w expensive fasteners.


Delivery/installation not so stellar. I didnt realize till reading manual later that shipping bracket/screws should not be removed till after washer in place, not while on my driveway. And hardware should be kept for future moves. Installer may not have locked the legs. And front legs seemed off 1/8 inch.

Very nervous after reading Strickybojack's ordeal w FL. Dealer/service/Speed Queen did not shine. fingers crossed..


Post# 966688 , Reply# 41   11/7/2017 at 19:33 by agitated (michigan)        
Love SQ FL. Now need dryer!

Have had FL SQ washer 7 months now. Beautiful machine. Love the quiet spin (after installers returned & unlocked the back legs! - vibration was so bad that I had to video & show to salesperson). If cycle is set for 23 minutes, then that's how long it runs. Not like my sister's LG washer which runs 1-2 hrs even when set on "quick" 35 min cycle. As far as cleaning clothes, I haven't noticed any problems though our laundry is pretty light. Was concerned re moldy smell issue when first started asking for input on this site- so far no problems yet.

After 5 yrs, Samsung dryer died again despite one service already. haven't read too much endorsement for SQ dryer. is it worth the premium price?

Thank you.


Post# 966695 , Reply# 42   11/7/2017 at 20:02 by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        

Look on your local Craigslist and get a 29" WP/KM dryer. It will beat all other offerings and is easily repairable. With a dryer like that and the high speed spin of the FL your clothes will dry in no time.

We just replaced an early 2000s GE FL styled dryer w/ a 29" and it drys much quicker w/ less wrinkles if the clothes aren't removed immediately which was a requirement with the GE.

And, heck if it REALLY breaks down you're out $50-150 and there is always another available. SQ's dryers have never been even close to the best. I used some 240v operated models(stack but small consumer type) at a hotel and they often took over an hour.


Post# 966751 , Reply# 43   11/8/2017 at 03:17 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

I've had more than 20 front loaders for my personal use and designed probably 50 or 60 different models.

Never had any issues with mold or smells. It includes a silly American made Frigidaire Affinity I had for 10+ years.

Washing machines are just like cars. They NEED some attention.

Most people want the comfort of just use the washer, but they never care about the regular maintenance.

What happens if you don't check the pressure on your tires? What happens if you don't change the oil? ... alignment?... balance?... rotate the tires?

The same with WHATEVER washer.

Once in a while you will need to wipe it... sometimes even polish the cabinet... cotton swabs or a steam cleaner on the crevices? Yes, wibe the rubber gasket too!
If you wash something really nasty, like pet blankets, run a quick cycle immediatelly after unloading the washer. Once in a while, run the self cleaning cycle or run the longest cycle with hot water and lots of bleach. If you splash detergent, bleach or fabric softener while dosing, rinse and wipe the area immediately!

After use, remove the dispenser drawer and for god's sake leave the F-word door ajar! What happens if you wash a mason jar, don't dry it, close the lid and "forget" it for a few weeks? Exactly the same happens to a washer. No matter how clean the washer is and how many gallons of chlorine bleach you used on the last cycle. If you leave the door closed for a few days, when you open the door the smell will be dreadful.

With top loaders it's difficult to happen because they're not "nearly air tight", but even with a top load, please leave the lid open for at least 24 hours after use (considering you use the washer only once a week, for example).

And yes, even with a top loader, do hot washes always you can. Don't be afraid to use chlorine bleach and if possible, never use "pods".

99% of people that complain the washer smells bad or turned into a mushroom farm simply don't care about regular maintenance. They just toss the clothes, run the cycle and forget the washer exists.


I gave a TLA Super Compact Automatic washer to a friend 1 year ago. In six months she complained the washer was leaving a black residue on the clothes.

When i saw the washer, i couldn't believe my eyes. The lid is clear, but it was impossible to see inside because of the grimme. She NEVER cleaned the lint filter. (and even said "but detergent cleans everything, shouldn't the detergent make the dirt in the filter disappear?". The cabinet top (plastic) was full of cigarette marks (yes, she uses to place a cigarette on the top and forget it)


A 100% self clean washer doesn't exist. Period. It never existed and it will probably never exist. Even a 1950's Frigidaire needs at least some buffing once in a while, like everything. And worse... use a toothpick or tweezers to clean the drain holes on the top of the drum at least once a year to remove the lint buildup.

It explains why i always save my old toothbrushes... appliances love them...

Now back to the real world... No matter what washer you get, NONE of them will require you spend several minutes per day or per week taking care of it. HOWEVER, at least 15 minutes per month you'll have to schedule to take care of the washer and make it look like new for much longer.



Post# 966818 , Reply# 44   11/8/2017 at 11:37 by Real1 (Eastern WA)        

Interesting advice and expereinces on FL's. My used '98 Neptunes came from a family of seven out in the coutnry (five boys). Was no lawyer ploy smelling blood on this washer...it has some serious design issues. Maytag deserved the class-action law suit they got on these and their continuing denial there was anything wrong with these machines. 

 

After I fixed all the issues, I did have mold smell. Pulling the inner tub, you could see why...pretty nasty in that outer tub. After I cleaned up everything, I moved the electric plug box to just above the washer with a switch. Turn the switch off, open the door and soap dispenser and no more smell....ever. Maybe that's overkill and I only need to run a hot load with bleach. When my son was alive, he wasn't really mindful about leaving the door open and the mold smell came back for awhile.....but I think he used cold wash a lot.

 

Anyway, thirteen yrs and counting with the Neptune and no trouble whatsoever.

 

Kevin

 





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