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would direct drive washers be considered vintage today in 2017?
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Post# 927441   3/17/2017 at 10:24 (459 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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hello to all aw members would the classic direct drive washers 1993 up until today washer in 2017 be considered vintage today?

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Post# 927444 , Reply# 1   3/17/2017 at 10:40 (459 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

Depends on who you ask

Post# 927447 , Reply# 2   3/17/2017 at 11:09 (459 days old) by Gyrafoam (Roanoke, VA)        

Personally, when I think of a Drek-drive machine I think of the late 80's Whirlpool/Kenmores. They were also spin-drain machines with a bit more action. Those are vintage to me.

Post# 927448 , Reply# 3   3/17/2017 at 11:17 (459 days old) by turquoisedude (Ogden & St-Liboire (where??), QC, Canada)        

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The Forum rules say if it's over 20, it would be considered 'vintage'...   That little loophole has allowed me to hold on to a couple of machines now.  LOL

Post# 927449 , Reply# 4   3/17/2017 at 11:39 (459 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, Iowa)        
The Forum rules say if it's over 20....

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Gasp - that means a first gen Neptune is now vintage! 

Post# 927454 , Reply# 5   3/17/2017 at 12:58 (459 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
direct drive washer i posted

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i made the calculation with a calculator if you substract 2017-1993 year of the posted direct drive washer it brought the result 24 years old this means if my mom and i would not of had to replace or direct drive washer back in 2004 it would be 24 years today so i would say washers dating from 1993 are now considered vintage.

Post# 927457 , Reply# 6   3/17/2017 at 13:31 (459 days old) by Appnut (TX)        

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DD washers emerged in 1984 or 1983. With some Sean's MOL models

Post# 927458 , Reply# 7   3/17/2017 at 13:51 (459 days old) by classiccaprice (Hampton, Virginia)        

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It's hard to imagine 1997 machines as vintage, but it's the way time goes. Maybe I'm just getting old.

Post# 927475 , Reply# 8   3/17/2017 at 16:34 (459 days old) by philcobendixduo (San Jose)        
Kenmore/Whirlpool DD Spin Drain Late 80's?

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My Kenmore Limited Edition washer was purchased new in September 1987 and it does not spin drain.
When did Whirlpool/Kenmore move from spin drain to neutral drain on DD washers?
Mine also has the single spray rinse as opposed to the 4 earlier models had.

Post# 927486 , Reply# 9   3/17/2017 at 17:31 (459 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Bill, hopefully DADoES will chime in here, but the early DD washers were spin drain.  There were problems and the machines were retrofitted (he's discussed this before).  My 1986 Lady Shredmor3e was neutral drain.  I think by 1984 or 1985, the small production of DD Kenmore models were all neutral drain.  Now mine did develop the tendency to spin drain until the transmission got warmed up around its 10th or 12th year.  Mine too had the single spray rinse on the post-rinse spin, except on PP which had a spin spray for both spins.  Friends of mine in Dallas got a Model 70 DD set in 1989 or 1990 and it had two sprays on each spin that the cycle design called for a spin spray. 

Post# 927495 , Reply# 10   3/17/2017 at 18:26 (459 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0700 CDT.))        
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Any washer more than 20 years old is considered vintage. This would include WP/KM DDs made before 1997.

Post# 927497 , Reply# 11   3/17/2017 at 18:27 (459 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
35 y.o. in 2017

24"DDs came out in 1982,certain models of 24"machines stayed BD for a few more years.

Post# 927500 , Reply# 12   3/17/2017 at 18:52 (459 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Direct drives were available as limited-production 24" Kenmore models before they were sold under Whirlpool branding, possibly as early as 1981.

I have a original-issue (from Whirlpool training attended by the guys at the Whirlpool dealer where I worked for a few years) of service manual L-46 Design 2000 Direct Drive Washer dated 1981.  It references model LB5500XK, which is 1982.  I remember deliveries of that model.

Design 2000 Automatic Washers Diagnostic Update dated 1984 (does not reference neutral drain).

My grandmother had a 1984 Design 2000 model that spin-drained.  I always thought it was silly for running 2-mins of high spin/drain on Delicate & Perm Press, then switching to low spin.

L-52 Design 2000 Washer with Neutral Drain dated 1985.

Post# 927532 , Reply# 13   3/17/2017 at 22:45 (458 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
To some

But NOT me, If I can remember it new its NOT vintage to me!!!

Post# 927579 , Reply# 14   3/18/2017 at 09:52 (458 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Sure, to each

their own. They are out of production, so to me that's vintage. Not old, just vintage.
Vintage comes from wines, and is borrowed to collectable items.

Post# 928004 , Reply# 15   3/20/2017 at 21:41 (455 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Vintage WP Built DD Washers

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WP DD Washers were available for sale by mid 1981, the fully restored one in our museum was built the 28th week of 1981.


WP built all the DD washers with neutral drain transmissions by 1985 after lots of consumer complaints about redeposited lint on clothing from spin draining. Some 1984 WP DD washers had the newer ND timers but still the the spin-drain transmissions when they left the factory, we ran into a few of these and we changed the transmissions to the better ND transmissions.


Keep in mind Whirlpool is still building DD washers with the sand cast transmissions, they are available in both the 24" and 27" Thin Twin stack washer-dryers, we sell about a 1/2 dozen every month. If WP keeps the DDs in production another 2 or 3 years they will have built the DD washer longer than their orignal belt drive machines and also built far more as well.


John L.

Post# 928824 , Reply# 16   3/25/2017 at 09:02 (451 days old) by sillysuds (new jersey)        
whirlpool Estate washer

Hi,Bob from New Jersey. I have a Estate brand top load washer got in 1999, runs good.except on the first load it goes into a spin/drain on the first drain until the transmission warms up. this washer is still better than the new top load washers today.

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