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Post# 931291   4/8/2017 at 19:06 (378 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO)        

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Post# 931322 , Reply# 1   4/8/2017 at 20:19 (378 days old) by Gyrafoam (Roanoke, VA)        

The Government was so concerned about the phosphates killing fish (even though it comes from the ocean) and forcing the appliance manufacturers to sacrifice performance for water savings.
So now a gazillion gallons of fragrance infused liquid wax called Fabric Softener is ok to pour into our water systems every week?

And I beg to differ with the results this documentary shows because if Formalin was that bad on just fingernails my damned hands would have fallen off by now.

Nonetheless, it is reasonable to conclude we are bombarded with fragrances. I pay a lot of money for it too.

Post# 931366 , Reply# 2   4/9/2017 at 05:00 (378 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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are you a mortician?  I've considered going for it and there's a college in Nashville.  We went to school with some kids who's parents own a funeral home.

Post# 931371 , Reply# 3   4/9/2017 at 06:28 (378 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Wax isn't

harmfull to humans, fish, etc. if that is what fabric softener is.
In fact it aids digestion. Bee's make it and thrive on it. Our ears even need it to keep them from being too dry, too wet, and it wards off infections.
Nothing wrong with saving some fresh water, because aquifers in certain areas are low or even dry. Removing phosphates from detergents had nothing to do with saving water. Phosphates can make too much algae grow, or the wrong type, which harms other biological species of plants or animals.
The best solution to pollution is dilution with clean water, so the more clean water there is, all the better for diluting.
If alkalines, corrosives, or other non inert chemicals are added, that may be a problem. Solutions are alkaline, and base. They must be balanced. Too much pool chlorine makes a pool too alkaline. It needs balance of base and alkalinity so the calcium base isn't too low. Otherwise the water will make calcium leech from the gunite concrete to balance it. It can also remove body hair and healthy skin cells. Salt water is a better modern pool filter medium than bromine or chlorine.

Post# 931380 , Reply# 4   4/9/2017 at 08:35 (378 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Thank you for sharing the film link with us. It is frightening information, but not usually presented in an organized format such as this.


I was raised to never wear a new (washable) garment without it being laundered first. This was especially brought home in the 70s when there was some chemical (possibly a formaldehyde-based compound) used in clothing that really stank unless it was laundered first. Good laundering means good rinsing and that is why I am so concerned with rinsing. It gets rid of a greater amount of chemicals that can harm us. I believe this also applies to dishwashing. One rinse with detergent residue combined with rinse agent to make it sheet off dishware is leaving behind a chemical cocktail on the things which we use to prepare and eat our food. This is not good.


When I washed my blanket on Friday, I made the conscious decision NOT to use fabric softener on it. I did not want to be inhaling those chemicals which would be in the air while I slept.


Thank you, again, Brian for making it possible to see this film and showing us the actions and faces of scumbags who have so little regard for all life. When they stand for their final life review, they are not going to be able to BS the Creator.

Post# 931481 , Reply# 5   4/9/2017 at 20:14 (377 days old) by washingpowder (NYC)        

Well reading lately leaves me wondering if I have some magic powers.

Using non-phosphated, 'natural', cruelty free detergents; no bleach whatsoever; rarely some seventh generation softener, etc etc: all in a modern, frugal DW and an HE Electrolux FL washer that wasn't adjusted to use more water - and heard questions such as how do you keep your clothes so nice/bright/white. No mold, no dirt, no nothing.

But there aren't gallons upon gallons of water and pounds of synthetic/non-ecological chemicals used, so my pots must be dirty and my clothes stained.

This website had been an awfully great source of information, inspiration and generally joy, but that is gone, and it's a pity.

Post# 931491 , Reply# 6   4/9/2017 at 21:15 (377 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO)        

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The only reason I put this link on here was because of you guys fussing about the horrible smells of detergents and softeners these days as compaired to times past. To be truthful, I didn't even watch the documentary beforehand, which is a very bad idea. I could have been posting something I regretted or could have got in trouble for. Luckily it seemed to turn out OK.

On the other hand, I don't think it will be changing my laundry habits any. I don't use lots of unnecessary chemicals and sometimes a little bit of softener. We have a water softener. Between that and the dryer, things come out pretty soft and I don't have to use as much detergent either. I make my own all purpose cleaner, I don't wear cologne, I use tea tree oil and baking soda to brush my teeth and I also use tea tree oil for deodorant. I have low body odor and when I do sweat or get dirty, I change clothes and take a shower. I use shampoo and shaving cream with the lowest amount of scent in them I can find. That's about it for my routine.

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