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Post# 937050   5/8/2017 at 01:24 (2,537 days old) by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

Recently came off a 2 1/2 week vacation to visit friends and relatives that I hadn't seen in a number of years, stayed overnight or 2 with some and stayed in hotels the remainder of the time. It was most enjoyable visiting and catching up, and as always, on my best behavior. LOL. It was nice to get home though.

Was curious of the laundry detergents and additives that everyone was using and the make of the machines. Tide / All Free & Clear was the most popular, with Xtra a close 2nd. Detected an industrial scent in towels and wash cloths that All Free & Clear were washed in, so much for scent free. Never saw any bleach in any of the laundry areas, or kitchens for that matter. Wasn't sure what to expect, so I kept my mind open to everything. What I didn't expect was that the water temperature in a couple of households was set to cold on the machines, with build up on the agitators. Didn't see any FL machines, all TL's (Speed Queen, Kenmore, Westinghouse and Maytag, one of which was a newer HE Centennial). The Westinghouse was the biggest surprise, fairly recent machine with a large capacity, wasn't aware they still made them so my guess is that Speed Queen may not be the last traditional machine still standing. I wanted to ask "Where did you find this?" Lol.

On my trip, I learned a VALUABLE lesson. Always pack a couple of spare wash cloths and face towels as a backup when visiting. In two of the households the bath wash cloths didn't smell, or look, clean. The only time I truly breathed a sigh of relief was at the hotels. Needless to say, I was alarmed but didn't dare say anything to my family. It just goes to show, clean linen is MUCH appreciated by guests staying over.

Has anyone else ran across a similar situation? Did you dare say anything?








Post# 937072 , Reply# 1   5/8/2017 at 07:06 (2,537 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
the only thing

worse is staying in a motel or hotel that has less than clean bedding or towels.
Relatives usually take extra care when having company stay. Some new towels and linens if they won't wash up nice and white.


Post# 937075 , Reply# 2   5/8/2017 at 07:34 (2,537 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
I'm a totally a-typical

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Gay man. At home, I expect face clothes washed in 145F water with chlorine bleach and fluff-dried.

Out in the world of relations, I live with what's on offer. In Scotland, it all was clean but I didn't like the scent, in Ireland it was beat to death and looked just like it had in my childhood visits (probably was) but clean and dusty, in Italy smelled like sun and strong detergent and in Germany, sadly, my relations are all hysterical eco-freaks and I bring my own and don't let on. There's limits, even for me.

No idea what my American relations do, they're all Trump supporters and super-duper Christians, so we don't speak.

 

As to saying something - I'd sooner cut out my tongue than offend someone who has offered me their hospitality. 


Post# 937080 , Reply# 3   5/8/2017 at 08:11 (2,537 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

I assume that the households with the dirty linens were the ones with the machines set to cold and with agitator build up. Given that, my guess is that they've bought into the whole 'laws-of-physics-bow-to-emotions-&-attitudes' schtick that the EcoBabble crowd purveys. I wouldn't be surprised if they make no connection between the dirty linens/agitator build up and the use of cold water..... That's if they even notice the linens are less than clean. They might feel they are clean because that's what they've been told.

Regardless, I think it rather unlikely they would listen to you. They'd most likely take offense and think you're just weird. On a more practical level, they couldn't wave a magic wand and fix the situation, anyway. It would just make the situation awkward for all. The fact that your hosts are more strongly affected by the situation than you is rather irrelevant, sadly.

Personally, I'd follow the philosophy of "eat what's put in front of you", use the dirty linens, and bring your own the next time.

Jim


Post# 937091 , Reply# 4   5/8/2017 at 10:48 (2,537 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        
"There's limits, even for me."

I had to laugh at that! LOL, but I know what you mean.

I've been comparing my whites wash to my neighbours' efforts, and I have to say that me whites are dazzling. Brilliant white - right through!

Some of their whites are perhaps tactfully described as 'cream', though my mum would say 'grey'. My neighbours must be using liquids and/or those liquitab pod things, in lukewarm water. They're just not clean.



Post# 937092 , Reply# 5   5/8/2017 at 10:56 (2,537 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        
And there's the visiting niece or nephew . . .

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. . . who asks in the morning after sleeping on your line-dried bed linens "Why do your sheets smell funny?"




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Post# 937138 , Reply# 6   5/8/2017 at 15:48 (2,537 days old) by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

The situation caught me totally off guard, very much so. I hate to say this, but I didn't expect it with the older baby boomer generation, presuming they knew what hot water was for, alas it wasn't the case and so much for it being a generational thing. I didn't say a word, washed my face, got dressed and waited till we got to a hotel to bathe. It's bad when you want to sleep with your clothes on that you've worn all day, and I did. I would have NEVER offered my guests the same, I like to think I was brought up with a conscience, but even then one would think some common sense would prevail!!! Never saw any bleach.
Some of the replies are funny and truthful. Yes, "there's limits, even for me." And I did "eat what was put in front of me" though we did take much of the family out to eat several times.

Kept my mouth shut, got through it, and thanked them for their hospitality.

I just can't get over it though. Never again.


Post# 937143 , Reply# 7   5/8/2017 at 16:31 (2,537 days old) by Michaelman2 (Lauderdale by the Sea, FL)        

Barry,

I think the way you handled the situation was gracious and well done.

I used to visit a friend that lived in Florida and I learned to take my towels with me. He used a good deal of fabric softener and I could not stand the way the fibers on the towel were so non-absorbant. Kind of a slimey or odd feel.

He was a very clean person, however he did love that Downey!


Post# 937173 , Reply# 8   5/8/2017 at 17:47 (2,537 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Barry, when you think about it, most boomers were in mid 20s at most on down through teenage years when the first energy crisis hit and electric rates went through the roof.  That's when cold water washing really took off from what I've observed.  And many probably never looked backi. 


Post# 937178 , Reply# 9   5/8/2017 at 18:03 (2,537 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

I only have one relative that really doesn't maintain good linen hygiene, last time I was in their house and simply dried my hands in a bath towel my hands smelled moldy afterwards - one of my biggest pet peeves.

For the most part I've never had an issue staying with someone and finding unacceptable linens, if there's something I don't like I'll sneak it in with my laundry when I go to use their machine.

Also most of my relatives don't do cold water washing either, some I've specifically advised not to and others just have common sense.
We've had house guests that weren't related that turned my machine to cold and I was ready to slap them with a ruler, but nevertheless I was too polite of a host. I just promptly threw in a load of towels on HOT afterwards hahahaha.


Post# 937325 , Reply# 10   5/9/2017 at 10:33 (2,536 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        
What is a wash cloth ?

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I`m just kidding, but it is amazing to see how Americans still have an affection for wash cloths.
I wonder why there is this cultuarl difference between Europeans and Americans when it comes to those.
I think in the old world they largely disappeared with the advent of indoor bathrooms and running hot water.
Of course there is still a minority who dosen`t take a shower every day and those seem to use them for in between touch up jobs or think of pedriadric care and so on.
Can`t remember a single hotel in Italy, France, Spain or Germany offering their guests a wash cloth. Seems like the whole continent just lathers up with their bare hands.
Interestingly in the US even in the lowest level motel a wash cloth is a minimum standard.

Apart from my observations it was a wise decision not to say a word to your hosts. I would have done the same unless if it would have been very close family who know how I am when it comes to laundry.


Post# 937328 , Reply# 11   5/9/2017 at 10:38 (2,536 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
True Story

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My mom used wash cloths as hand towels for guests from the beginning. They're just the right size, fold beautifully and look great in an open basket, with a lower basket to place them in after one use.

A bit more upscale than the roll of paper towels I keep in 'my' bathroom.

But we do have an equivalent in Germany - Waschlappen, which are always sewn together to be too small for my hands and always seem to shrink seven sizes when they come out of the washing machine.


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Post# 937347 , Reply# 12   5/9/2017 at 12:41 (2,536 days old) by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

"I only have one relative that really doesn't maintain good linen hygiene, last time I was in their house and simply dried my hands in a bath towel my hands smelled moldy afterwards - one of my biggest pet peeves." Jonathon that is exactly what I'm talking about AND it didn't look clean at all. And it was the bath towels also.

I'm wondering if some day there will be disposable towels of some sort for sale that could be offered guests. Kind of like a very strong paper towel but biologically safe, for use only one time. I think it would sell well, but who knows.

Honestly, I felt worse coming out of the shower than I did before I went in on a couple of occasions. It was the smell. Now that is bad!!!

Do you all offer guests new soap bars or body wash? I do, have saved up hotel soaps for just that occasion. When you go into someones house to use the shower and the soap bar has public hair on it........well, you get the idea.
I'm bringing my own next time.

Mind you, I'm not blowing this out of proportion....but crying out loud!!!


Post# 937350 , Reply# 13   5/9/2017 at 13:03 (2,536 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)        
"still a minority who doesn't take a shower every da

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so things must have changed some since I was in Bayern West Germany (at the time), mid-70, staying a week with German relatives, a couple in their late 50s, and 3 of their children: boys aged 15, 17, and a young lady, 20. Nobody took a shower more than 2 or maybe 3 x week, despite being quite upper-middle class folks who own their own "fabrik" (machine shop) that makes parts for Krups: the Dad drove a brand new 5 series Bay Em Vay, the hausfrau a new-ish Opel wagon, so reasonably well-off. My vague recollection of the laundry was that it was German branded but can't recall what exactly.

All extremely well groomed, I'm sure they "touched up" regularly, but it was (at least then) a different culture, and I think they thought that we Yanks were some kind of fanatical germophobes or something with our long showers and washed hair every morning. I recall the bathroom being huge, probably 12 x 12, and completely tiled: floor, walls and ceiling. I DON'T recall the linens looking or smelling unclean; their 3 story house was immaculate... they were(are) Germans (as is my wife) after all. The wife's grandmother used to clean the oil tank in her basement weekly!


Post# 937363 , Reply# 14   5/9/2017 at 13:55 (2,536 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
O! Mein Gott! Der „Säureschutzmantel“ der Haut

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Oh, yes, indeed - the horrors of damaging the acid-rain-coat of the delicate skin.

Of all the nonsense of my German relations, this one outranks even the 'Kreislaufkolaps' nonsense (feel free to add my usual adjectives, there - can't use them in this forum).

My mom made me shower twice a day as a kid, I still have to, at least twice a day as an adult - dirt likes me.

And, despite being a ginger, my skin is in damn good condition for a guy half my age, never mind my chronological age.

Each culture has their own myths and this one about too frequent bathing being bad for you is one of the most stupid of all in Germany.

It's fading fast, thank goodness. Especially silly because every good German washes 'down there' more frequently than Americans do. But, that doesn't count....the acid rain-coat of the skin must be protected......

 

 

 


Post# 937377 , Reply# 15   5/9/2017 at 15:09 (2,536 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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Roger, my Grandmother born in 1910 used to take a bath and wash her hair only once a week on Saturday evenings. Of course there were daily "touch ups" too with a wash cloth. Nothing unusual in post war Germany. So your observations in the mid 70s don`t surprise me at all.
Thank God times have changed a long time ago and a daily shower is the norm now not the exception.

What I don`t get is why Americans see the need to scrub themselves clean with a wash cloth when taking a daily shower anyway.
I get my grimiest hands clean with just my bare hands and soap.
In contrast to the US Anti itch cream seems to be an unknown product here and of course there is a link between some forms of eczema and harsh personal hygiene habits.

Keven, the acid rain and resulting Waldsterben was a serious problem we finally solved with exhaust catalyzers not by taking less showers.


Post# 937431 , Reply# 16   5/9/2017 at 20:09 (2,536 days old) by Xraytech (Rural southwest Pennsylvania )        

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I don't have any relations that live more than 20 minutes from me.
Only time I experience being a house guest is when good friends of mine have a party, and they are far enough away that it's not good to drive home after.
These gentlemen have an immaculate home as one of them is rather OCD, so all the linens offered are properly cleaned and scent free as he doesn't like scents. So it is always a very pleasant experience.


Post# 937465 , Reply# 17   5/10/2017 at 00:37 (2,535 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        
Disposable towels...

One of my cousin's use these.  She is a psyc. had has clients in her home.



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Post# 937479 , Reply# 18   5/10/2017 at 05:47 (2,535 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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We don't have houseguests (thank the Lord)!  Besides, I don't know many in either family who would be comfortable in a house with 4 cats!  (Except for my parents.) Even though the cats don't go in the bedrooms.


Post# 937522 , Reply# 19   5/10/2017 at 15:07 (2,535 days old) by Mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

Matt, the disposable hand towel would be the way to go. If they would hold up in use it would be a win-win for everybody. I suppose though certain people might look at it as cheap, but who knows. Thanks for the link. One could take some with them on a trip and be done with it.

Post# 937528 , Reply# 20   5/10/2017 at 15:34 (2,535 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Ah, Stefan -

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The dangers of using two languages to express irony.

I'm not talking about Waldsterben, I'm refering to the - surely you've encountered it- absolutely hysterical Angst many Ökofreaks have of damaging the acid balance of the human skin through too frequent bathing, especially with any sort of cleanser which actually works -


Post# 937536 , Reply# 21   5/10/2017 at 16:21 (2,535 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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the only thing about using someone elses bath soap.....

think about the last part of their body they used it, and the first place you did!...

for guests, I strip the beds, and re-wash the bed linens to freshen them, and then re-wash after they leave....

if its only been a few weeks between washing and use is one thing, past that, they just need a quick wash to freshen them up....

dust can settle on them as well as the furniture and carpeting....


towels and such get rotated frequently as they get replenished.....as you can sometimes get in the habit of placing the current laundered ones on top, over and over..


Post# 937564 , Reply# 22   5/10/2017 at 19:12 (2,535 days old) by Michaelman2 (Lauderdale by the Sea, FL)        

Martin, I will be enroute, we think and clean alike! ( not to mention you and your partner know how to have guests/entertain)

So for once I will not be looked at by TSA as though I am crazy ( by taking my own towels and linens). Funny story: I had a bag filled with towels and bed linens and the TSA agent said " I do the same" and at first I did not know to what he was referring, then we had the epiphany and side wink... I walked on through.

As mentioned above, I detest a towel that has been treated with fabric softener. Also sheets and pillowcases that have fabric softener on them.

Give me absorbent or give me ......home.


Post# 937653 , Reply# 23   5/11/2017 at 02:12 (2,534 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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Keven, I know you didn`t mean it seriously when you said acid RAIN coat.
As a German and as a strong believer in pH balanced shower gels and certainly not an "Ökofreak" I just felt challenged by your mockery.
Should have finished my response with an emoji to be clearer.
So I`ll try again.


Keven, the acid rain and resulting Waldsterben was a serious problem we finally solved with exhaust catalyzers not by taking less showers ;-)

Better now ?

Your washcloth by the way almost looks like a pot holder to me. Never seen one of these in my entire life but still learning something new every day. There is a more common special shape in Germany which is also sewn together but it`s meant to be worn like a glove.


Post# 937672 , Reply# 24   5/11/2017 at 06:10 (2,534 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        
wash cloths

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Personally I don't feel clean if I don't use a wash cloth in the shower (or bath rag as we say down here) to help scrub away old dead skin cells and general bleck from working in a hospital for 12 hours.  I'm around stuff that Ajax won't wash off!  I've tried those scrunchy things but it's not the same.  Besides, rubbing a bar of soap on a washcloth and then rubbing said washcloth on me prevents the bar of soap getting short curlies on it!  And I hate body wash gels.


Post# 937762 , Reply# 25   5/11/2017 at 14:06 (2,534 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Going to my Dad's house, I always bring a Bath Towel and Wash Cloth. They have a FL Maytag that is almost 10 years old and has only seem a Hot Wash Cycle once and that is when I was there 3 years ago. The wife almost had a stroke when she saw the settings I had it on.

All their laundry smells sour. My Dad's undies and T shirts are suppose to be white. Dingy. He asked me why my socks, t shirts etc are so white. i told him Hot Wash, Warm Rinse, Powdered detergent and occasionally LCB. I wouldn't dare bring up the STPP.

I'd be scared to death to see what is in that outer tub. I'd wear a HAZMAT suit and respirator while it was being torn down.


Post# 937782 , Reply# 26   5/11/2017 at 15:21 (2,534 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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I use a body brush for bathing, and wash cloths as a preliminary dry-off (wipe, wring, repeat as necessary).  Tried the nylon/scrunchy things, nope.  A problem with applying body wash liquids/gels of various colors directly to wash cloths is they cause graying of the fabric that seems to be impossible to fully combat.  I bought this stuff a few days ago, it's a deep GRAY color (duhhh, which I should have expected).


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Post# 937832 , Reply# 27   5/11/2017 at 18:33 (2,534 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

Nivia Cool is my body wash of choice and I do like the nylon scrubbers.  Of course I pull them apart a bit, those tiny things are useless.  Loosen them up a bit and they work great.  Been out for the last few days and have been using Ivory and I hate the way I feel getting out of the shower.


Post# 938161 , Reply# 28   5/12/2017 at 21:44 (2,533 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

Despite being middle-aged I have acne from head to toe that would put most teenagers to shame were I to leave it unmanaged. I certainly spend far more time and money on skin care now than I did 40 years ago.

I use a bristle brush all over because 99% of stuff that's supposed to exfoliate simply doesn't.

3% salicylic acid + sulfur soap, 4% coal tar shampoo, 10% benzoyl peroxide soap, and pumice foot scrub all get poured onto my bristle brush. After shower 0.1% Retin-A gets slathered on like moisturizer.

And I still see a dermatologist monthly

And this isn't even the full routine!

Washcloth? My skin just points and giggles...

Jim


Post# 938183 , Reply# 29   5/13/2017 at 00:07 (2,533 days old) by Mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

One just never knows what to expect even if you don't spend the night. About 5 years ago I was invited to dinner over at one of my best friends house. His new wife, which I really didn't know well but wanted to get off on the right foot, fixed dinner. She fixed fried chicken and used a thermometer to check the inside temperature. I thought everything was okay. The first bite I took at the dinner table it was still pink inside and it wasn't fully cooked. Oh what to do?! I ate around the edges. Ate the side dishes, a lot, and said I was cutting back on meats. Thanked them for the dinner, hospitality, and went on my way.

When I was a kid, my grandmother taught me "it's important to know when to go, it's MORE IMPORTANT to know when to leave."

It really is a gamble when visiting. You just have to make the best of it sometimes.


Post# 938252 , Reply# 30   5/13/2017 at 09:09 (2,532 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI )        

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Bedding and bath linens get a hot water wash and line dried, weather permitting. Otherwise, it goes in the dryer on medium heat.  I've never been able to get a good night's sleep on strange sheets.   Even as a kid I felt this way.  I detest laundry that been washed with soft water as I feel the detergent isn't completely rinsed out.



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