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Post# 937689   5/11/2017 at 07:23 (197 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa)        

The Pearls will no longer be sold in the US but the liquids and caps will. Someone on Houzz just posted a pic from the question section on Persils Facebook page. Cheryl




Post# 937691 , Reply# 1   5/11/2017 at 07:29 (197 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
I have not

tried the pearls. They have been absent form local store shelves for some time here.
I like the liquid though. I buy the original scent, two in one. It reminds me of how Oxydol smelled. Not perfumy, just fresh.


Post# 937695 , Reply# 2   5/11/2017 at 08:03 (197 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        

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We had a discussion not long ago re: Persil. 

I, like others, thought that there was a re-set in the product line coming when our local stores was clearanceing some of the items.

 

I have tried the Pearls twice now with less than great results.  I experienced the white towels, only the towels graying.  Wash them in Tide and they are white again.  It may be an interaction with our local water, or the type of cotton in the towels, but this was my experience.  Maybe others were having a bad experience as well, or maybe they just weren't selling as well.

 

I have had good results with the other variants of their liquids and the pods.  


Post# 937702 , Reply# 3   5/11/2017 at 08:11 (197 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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I have some Pearls from Germany but with my water softener they tend to oversuds if I'm not extremely careful with dosing.


Post# 937741 , Reply# 4   5/11/2017 at 11:41 (197 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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They're still for sale here in Ontario. I bought a bottle of them a week or so back to try .  Hard to say how good they are since we don't have much "whites" or anything that gets really dirty or stained.  It was more a fun factor purchase .  tbh I usually get buy with a bottle of Xtra or Arm&Hammer for $2. from a discount store. 


Post# 937746 , Reply# 5   5/11/2017 at 13:13 (197 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)        

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Too bad, if so. They reminded me of the late lamented Fresh Start. And they're not overscented like some of the other Persil products.

Post# 937758 , Reply# 6   5/11/2017 at 14:01 (197 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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Dang it! This was the only Persil I really liked, the liquids are suds bombs for me.

I just saw a ton at my local grocery store, I'll go back and help them clear the shelf.


Post# 937788 , Reply# 7   5/11/2017 at 15:44 (196 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa)        

I called today to question this and was told the Pearls were discontinued in North America..they said it was a marketing decision. Lol. I had great results with these Pearls in my wonderful Duet. No suds issues. No rinsing problems. Suppose I'll use Tide with Bleach powder as I've always liked it for my whites. Like Tide with Oxi Pro better, but impossible to find.

Post# 937794 , Reply# 8   5/11/2017 at 16:24 (196 days old) by washmeup (scottsdale)        
Persils Pearls

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You can still buy them on Amazon.com and I find it to be the best detergent I have ever used.

Post# 937800 , Reply# 9   5/11/2017 at 16:52 (196 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0700 CDT.))        
Persil Pearls:

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They cleaned ok when I tried them but even using hot softened water I would still find undissolved ones on the door boot. I switched back to Tide HE Turbo liquid. The Persil liquids oversuds my machine.
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Post# 937845 , Reply# 10   5/11/2017 at 19:33 (196 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Only place ever saw the stuff far as NYC is concerned was at K-Sears on Astor Place. Every other store, shop, supermarket or whatever only carries the liquids.

Post# 937859 , Reply# 11   5/11/2017 at 20:26 (196 days old) by dsimonl (Portland, OR)        

Well drat! I just recently discovered them. My whites have never been cleaner.

Luckily they are still available online. Just ordered 6 more.


Post# 937899 , Reply# 12   5/11/2017 at 22:47 (196 days old) by Helicaldrive (St. Louis)        
Bummer

I found their claim of dazzling whites was accurate and not puffing or exaggeration at all. Whitest whites I've ever experienced. In the SQ FL with softened water, 1 tsp of Pearls is all you need. Rinses out easier than Tide.

Whites did come out dingy at first with Pearls when I overdosed.

I no longer have any oversudsing problems with the Persil liquids either. With the Original formula, which is more concentrated, I pour until it's the size of a quarter in the drawer, and with 2-in-1, I pour until the bottom of the compartment is coated. That's all you need! Not sure what proper dose would be with non-softened water.

The German Color Gel needs a larger dose.

Of course all of this is just my opinion FWIW.


Post# 937906 , Reply# 13   5/11/2017 at 23:52 (196 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Having a friend fetch some Power-Pearls from a Target, assuming it's in-stock there.  It disappeared from the local WM months ago, although they have liquids and packs or pods or whatever.


Post# 937929 , Reply# 14   5/12/2017 at 06:34 (196 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Are these the same as or similar to the Megaperls? The Miele dealer gave me a box back in 2004 when I bought the W1918. The detergent is the formula for colors. I have not used much of it. It needs hot water to dissolve, like Nick wrote, so it has to be pre-dissolved before adding it to the washer for warm water washing making it not worth the trouble.

 

I like the Universal Powder better for low sudsing, clean rinsing and good cleaning.


Post# 938070 , Reply# 15   5/12/2017 at 18:08 (195 days old) by earthling177 (Boston, MA)        

Tom:

There are at least two kinds of Persil Megaperls from Henkel, Germany: there is one for colors and one for whites (or Universal). There may be more, I have not kept current.

The one offered in US was a slightly different formula -- the Universal formula from Germany (whether in megaperls or powder) has enzymes that are more sensitive to very hot water, because most washers in Europe will start with either cold or at most warm water, then heat up to temp, and hot-wash enzymes are more expensive. The American version had enzymes that seem to work just fine in toploaders and washers that fill with 140F water. Also, I've never had trouble with the european version bleaching spots on colored clothing, but the American version seems to have some more aggressive bleaching activator, so when I tried using it on colored clothing it bleached spots wherever the perls touched wet clothing before the washer had finished filling. I don't know if that was fixed in later formulas, that was my experience with my first (and only) bottle of Persil PowerPearls w/ Pro-White Technology here.

That having been said, it was a good detergent, I'd buy more if they improve the formula.

Despite all this talk of it being discontinued, I'm waiting to see what they'll do: all the other American Persil formulas got a "Pro 10 Dimensions of Clean" label with items one can take with varying degrees of seriousness. Either way, it makes sense they'll clean the pipelines and introduce a new formula with similar characteristics for the PowerPearls -- the liquids and pods clean well, but some people need the "powdered"/pearls, why give that market to P&G?

On the other hand, even P&G is trying to get rid of powdered anything, so who knows?


Post# 938082 , Reply# 16   5/12/2017 at 19:35 (195 days old) by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        

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Per-ls or Per-sil? 

 

I wish they'd make up their mind.


Post# 938096 , Reply# 17   5/12/2017 at 20:07 (195 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Think Henkel/Dial decided to shorten "mega-perls" as the concentrated version of Persil is known in Germany and elsewhere down to just "perls" for the USA market. It still is Persil no matter the format.

Post# 938102 , Reply# 18   5/12/2017 at 20:20 (195 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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"There are at least two kinds of Persil Megaperls from Henkel, Germany: there is one for colors and one for whites (or Universal). There may be more, I have not kept current. "

Was nosing around German consumer testing website reading their comparison between "color" detergents and those with bleaching agents. It was their opinion that the bleaching systems in Persil "Universal" and one assumes other similar products would bleach colors with repeated use.


www.test.de/Colorwaschmit...

Of interest Ariel and Tandil detergent concentrated/ultra/perls sold in Germany beat Persil megaperls in test rankings.

However when it came to just powders, Persil "Universal" beat Ariel.

www.testberichte.de/a/waschmittel...


Post# 938107 , Reply# 19   5/12/2017 at 20:27 (195 days old) by earthling177 (Boston, MA)        

Launderess:

Yup, you are right, the Universal *can* over time fade colors, but it's usually gradual, like you said, and an overall effect.

What I got was splotches, very visible, first time use. Bummer.

It wasn't a disaster because it was basically socks, underwear and t-shirts.

But I will not be testing that with dress clothing. If I ever "try to see what happens" with their new formula, if it comes out, it will be on similar cheap clothing.

In fact, my hope is that they'll come out with *two* ProPearls: one for colors, one for white.

But no one knows, they might just drop the Pearls.


Post# 938149 , Reply# 20   5/12/2017 at 21:15 (195 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        
Concentrated vs. just powder

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When purchasing laundry detergent in Germany, one must differentiate between "compact" and regular powders. Concentrated or compact powders are usually sold in plastic bags, while regular powders are sold in cardboard boxes (sometimes touting 100+ loads). The unfortunate thing is that manufacturers add a lot of fillers to the regular detergents and frequently less active ingredients. That is why all "large box detergents" received worse tests scores than their concentrated counterparts. P&G's Ariel was the most noticeable case: Ariel Compact did excellently, while the formula in the large box failed completely.

Personally, I never cared for the Megaperls because some always get stuck in the dispenser, while powder dispenses without problems.

OT: over here, Henkel has released three new Vernel flavors called Vernel Suprême that are "inspired by fine French perfume", as well as a liquid "sauber und glatt" that's supposed to make ypur laundry "clean and smooth" by making ironing easier.


Post# 938186 , Reply# 21   5/13/2017 at 00:51 (195 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
"clean and smooth" by making ironing easier"

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Fabric softeners or conditioners have been making that claim for years now. To an extent it is true, but one supposes modern formulations have added something extra.

Laundries use fabric softener/conditioner if things aren't going to be starched to help things feed easily through ironers/mangles.

P&G offered Downy "Advanced" which was great for smoothness/wrinkle free laundry. Thing one remembers is that when laundry was spun after final rinse with the stuff, water had a sort of foamy look which was interesting.

Anyway it didn't last. By the time finished one bottle and went to look for more, Downy Advanced was discontinued.

ths.gardenweb.com/discussions/244...


Post# 938189 , Reply# 22   5/13/2017 at 02:31 (195 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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Wouldn`t surprise me at all if Persil Megaperls were gone for good in the US.
Henkel`s Persil is not the well known market leader for over a century in the US as it has been here. As a newcomer it might be a wise move to focus on products that actually sell and as a matter of fact powders are not that popular anymore in the US as they used to be.
Then if you don`t follow the "start filling washer, add detergent, add clothes" routine for TLs you might end up with spot bleaching which means the clothes are ruined. New TLs might have lid locks which don`t allow for a tried and true routine so I guess they decided to go the "follow washing machine instructions for adding detergent" path.
Anyway, spot bleaching doesn`t shine a good light on a new product and as a newcomer they probably can`t afford a single unhappy customer.

Launderess while your`re absolutely right that FS has always been beneficial for ironing, I think Alexander was referring to a new Persil liquid detergent that claims to lessen the need for ironing. No idea how that is accomplished haven`t had a look at the ingredients so far, might be polymers, I don`t know. Besides of that there are a few new upscale Vernel versions out now.




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Post# 938195 , Reply# 23   5/13/2017 at 04:49 (195 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Have noticed the shelf space given Persil products has shrunk dramatically at the HyVee grocery store I frequent. The pacs and pearls are gone. ProClean and ProClean 2-in-1 liquids are still on offer, but have been downsized to one row each on the bottom shelf. Quite a demotion for what is considered a premium detergent. There used to be several rows of each variation on the prime real estate arm-level shelf.

I use only the ProClean 2-in-1 version, as CR scores it substantially higher for stain removal that regular Pro-Clean and other Persil variations.

Always thought the pearls might migrate to the boot of my front-loader. Anyone found that to be true?



Post# 938196 , Reply# 24   5/13/2017 at 04:51 (195 days old) by iej (Ireland)        

I don't think Henkel would have really considered top loaders with agitators when they were designing MegaPearls.

They were a convenience format aimed entirely at front loaders with dispenser drawers in Europe. The idea is they eliminated messy, dusty fine powders while making the machine's dispenser drawer's job a little easier as they tend to flush into the drum more effectively than some powders.

Henkel doesn't sell detergents here in any format. We only have Unilever, P&G and store brands in the mainstream detergent space with R&B in the dishwashing and niche laundry space along with various eco brands like Ecover and Merhod etc, so I've only ever used them while living on the continent.

I can't speak for all of Europe as different countries have different marketing approaches to these products but here in Ireland powders have gone from dominant to still mainstream but definitely in fairly rapid decline.

The arrival of very concentrated liquids seems to have been the death knell for powders here both because they're well marketed and seem to be generally very effective.

From what I gather, liquid detergents are easier to produce but, one would wonder about all extra plastic that is now replacing what were pretty simple, cardboard boxes that held powders throughout all those decades.

We're now using a lot more plastic jugs and even if 95% of them end up being recycled, it's still a lot of plastic waste we probably didn't need to deal with.


Post# 938202 , Reply# 25   5/13/2017 at 05:54 (195 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Friend reported there were no Power-Pearls on the shelves at the Target of target.


Post# 938221 , Reply# 26   5/13/2017 at 06:21 (195 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Gone from Walmart

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So that's it then, isn't it? If where it all began no longer stocks the power pearls, then it's official.


www.walmart.com/ip/Persil...

Still you never know; Persil is known for stain removal and outstanding whiteness; something you cannot get in certain instances from a liquid alone. Nearly every European consumer testing group is unanimous; liquids/gels are not good for badly marked laundry. As such cannot imagine Henkel is going to allow Tide to remain #1 as it were when it comes to that area. I mean how can a laundry detergent brand claim to go against P&G when it cannot beat TWB?

Thus mayhaps Henkel has called a "time out" while looking to solve some of the issues with Power-Perls.

Simple solution would simply make the stuff a compact powder as Persil is sold also in Germany.

Pulver ist besser!

www.test.de/Waschmittel-P...


Post# 938229 , Reply# 27   5/13/2017 at 06:47 (195 days old) by iej (Ireland)        

The only liquid system I've found worked is Miele TwinDos but that's effectively doing exactly what a powder does by adding a squirt of peroxide type oxygen bleach at the appropriate time in the cycle.

My whites are coming out absolutely flawlessly with that approach.

It basically comes down to needing to add oxygen bleach to your whites whether that's integrated into a powder or added as a booster with a liquid.

Without bleach : dingy whites.


Post# 938268 , Reply# 28   5/13/2017 at 10:57 (195 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Our consumer magazine tested the TwinDos system by Miele and rated it worse than powders for cleaning and whitening, unfortunately. Maybe Unilever will bring out a bleaching liquid, as they already have a dishwasher gel with oxy bleach "pearls" in it.

Post# 938306 , Reply# 29   5/13/2017 at 15:29 (195 days old) by iej (Ireland)        

I wouldn't rate it as any better than powders, but I have found TwinDos works pretty well and I like the relatively neutral scent it leaves behind. It leaves an extremely mild non-floral scent that's a little like Unilever Persil liquid but much less clingy.

The main thing I'm finding is that in a household that has multiple users of the machine who are very heavy handed with dosing detergent, and in an area that has exceptionally soft water, I have been able to cut our detergent use quite dramatically while getting very good results. Also there's absolutely no mess in the laundry room.

So, overall I'm quite happy with TwinDos and it's working out pretty economical given the price of main-stream TOL detergents here (probably much more expensive than Germany) and its tight control of dosage.

Just looking at shop.supervalu.ie/shopping/house... to compare with German or US prices.

1.4l of Persil Small and Mighty Bio liquid (40 wash) - €14.40 (US$15.74/ £12.22)
2l of Ariel at full price €12.60 (US$ 13.78 / £10.69)
Store brand (actually pretty good) 28 wash . €2.45 ($2.68/ £2.08)

Powders : shop.supervalu.ie/shopping/house...
40 wash Ariel bio €9.00 ($9.84 / £7.63)
45 wash Persil bio €9.30 ($10.17 / £7.89)

I may just switch back to using either Ariel or Persil and a wash booster when I run out of my huge supply of free TwinDos cartridges though as they are quite pricy if not on special offer.

Although, they're still not that much more expensive than a full price pack of Persil here and the bleach cartridge lasts ages as it doesn't use all that much.


Post# 938323 , Reply# 30   5/13/2017 at 17:21 (194 days old) by Imperial70 (******)        
Laundress should have her own sydicate

in either a newspaper or webcast. I enjoy reading your posts very much and always look forward to them.


Post# 938330 , Reply# 31   5/13/2017 at 17:37 (194 days old) by iej (Ireland)        

Maybe a YouTube channel sponsored by Tide or Persil :D

Post# 938364 , Reply# 32   5/13/2017 at 19:29 (194 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Mark my words

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Soon there will be a glut of Persil power pearls on fleaBay going for insane money. *LOL*

Post# 938515 , Reply# 33   5/14/2017 at 15:40 (193 days old) by wishwash (Illinois)        

I've never been a fan of Persil. It cleans OK but I don't like the scent at all. If only we had a detergent exchange here, it would save that bottle from just sitting in my laundry room!

Post# 938530 , Reply# 34   5/14/2017 at 17:42 (193 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Here are some pics of Henkel products at our local drugstore. It seems all the inventory of Persil and Perwoll was somehow shoved into the detergent aisle (and I didn't even take a picture of everything).

Besides the three Vernel scents, there are also new Persil Sensitive Pods with "real soap and almond milk".


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Post# 938611 , Reply# 35   5/15/2017 at 06:53 (193 days old) by iej (Ireland)        

Just looking at the shelf price tickets there in Germany. That's running at considerably less than half the price of equivalent Unilever Persil here in Ireland.

Post# 938620 , Reply# 36   5/15/2017 at 08:20 (193 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Methinks Henkel/Persil Is Feeling The Heat

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Now that many German consumer testing sorts along with Internet chat have said you can get just as good results with cheaper products, such as Aldi's detergents.

Same here really with P&G. Tide began stumbling during last recession when many consumers were forced by financial circumstances to look elsewhere. Funny thing was most discovered that other products cleaned just as well as Tide for less.

One used to rarely see Tide on sale, nowadays however you cannot help but to find most versions on special offer somewhere. If one plans ahead and stocks up.....


Post# 938687 , Reply# 37   5/15/2017 at 15:53 (192 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Discounter brands have been almost as good as / as good as / sometimes even better than the "big name" products from Henkel or Procter for years now. This holds true for laundry and dishwasher detergents. Why pay 25 Cents per load when using Persil Megaperls 360° Cleanliness and Care... when I can get the same clean for just 11 Cents from Aldi etc.?

Post# 938688 , Reply# 38   5/15/2017 at 16:14 (192 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Laundry detergent market is what one would call "mature&

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Like toothpaste, toilet tissues and a host of other products there is only so much you can do to differentiate one from another.

Leaving aside proprietary and or patented bleaching and whatever systems most detergents pretty much are the same under the bonnet. What changes are the endless variations of scent and promised qualities.

Persil from Germany attained near cult status here in USA because there was nothing like it on market. Especially if one owned a front loader from Europe such as Miele. It really has only been rather recently that American detergents have dropped high frothing ingredients for instance in favor of "HE".

As others have frequently pointed out there is nothing "special" about Persil in its native territory.


Post# 938764 , Reply# 39   5/16/2017 at 05:58 (192 days old) by Wishwash (Illinois)        

Where are you finding Tide on special offer? The best I've ever seen on Tide is one dollar off.

Post# 938860 , Reply# 40   5/16/2017 at 16:59 (191 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Cannot speak for your area, but here in NYC:

Ride Aid - nearly every other week Tide is on sale (usually liquids and pods, but sometimes powder)

Target


Various other supermarkets such as Morton Williams/Associated, Shoprite, etc...

Rite Aid nearly is always the lowest.

www.riteaid.com/savings/w...

Last week Arm & Hammer liquid detergents were on sale at $1.99. They sold out of the stuff in a few days, ditto for when second truck load arrived later in week.

In fact you can always tell which detergents are on sale at local Rite Aid, as that is what you'll see overwhelmingly at the laundromat which is one block or so away.


Post# 938872 , Reply# 41   5/16/2017 at 17:47 (191 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Ordered two jugs each of Power-Pearls Orig scent and Intense Fresh via Target.com.


Post# 938920 , Reply# 42   5/17/2017 at 00:15 (191 days old) by Joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        
Combine offers to get bigger savings

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This week at Target , you receive a $5 Target gift card if you buy any two Tide or other P&G brand items. If you buy two bottles of Tide, you can use two $1 Tide (manufacture) coupons, and if you find any Target coupons for Tide, you may also use them too. That could add up to big savings. At Target, you may combine (stack) both a manufacturer's coupon and a target coupon on the same item.

From this week's ad:
Free $5 Target GiftCard when you buy any two Tide, Gain, Charmin, Downy, Bounce, Bounty or Puffs products listed. Gain 100-oz. 64-load liquid, 35-ct. Tide Pods or Gain Flings, or Tide 75-oz. 48-load liquid.


Post# 938921 , Reply# 43   5/17/2017 at 00:19 (191 days old) by Joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        
Regarding Persil Pearls

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The Persil Power-Pearls are on clearance for $8.88 at my local Shop Rite. I had a couple $2 off Persil coupons, so I ended up only paying 6.88 a bottle. I can't complain about that!

Post# 939355 , Reply# 44   5/19/2017 at 11:29 (189 days old) by dsimonl (Portland, OR)        

Just received my 6 jugs of original scent power pearls from Target.com. Free shipping. Those should last me a while since I only use them for white loads.

Post# 939607 , Reply# 45   5/21/2017 at 06:37 (187 days old) by angus (Fairfield, CT.)        

Just cleaned out my three local Shop-Rite stores of the remaining 59 load size mega pearls powder. They were marked down from $13.99 to $8.99 and I had a few $2.00 off coupons so not a bad deal. In the end I got 9 of them, Also hit up the Acme supermarkets in Stamford and Greenwich which replaced our now defunct A&P - but being Acme, the same size was priced at $17.99 reduced to $13.99. Questioned the manager about the pricing but of course got no real answer. Amazing how two different supermarkets have such different pricing structures - yet also noted that Acme had the same load size of the 2 in 1 liquid on sale for $8.99. The manager tried to explain that the liquid did fewer loads. When I pointed out that the stated load size was the same on both the powder and liquid, he merely shrugged and said "that's just the way it is"... I think they raised the price on the powder then "lowered" it to $13.99 which was the regular price of the 2 in 1 liquid. Needless to say I left the 4 jugs of powder right on the shelf. I like the mega pearls, but I am not planning to be taken to the cleaners' for it. No pun intended...




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