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From Cape Cod to Brooklyn...a KitchenAid KDS-58
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Post# 938345   5/13/2017 at 18:31 (214 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Well it's finally home. It was a long drive, but always so nice to see the cape. It was already in the driveway when I pulled up, an old sea-dog (or pirate) was the proprietor.

 

So after we sang a few sea shanties, he and his grandson, (or boy?) helped me load it on to the truck. He sure was gushing about the condition of the KDS-58. "Only used on Thanksgiving and Christmas, it's virtually new!" The way he went on, it was sounding like a sales pitch. I have to say, it does look minty. Clean inside and out. The butcher block top has some marks on it, but nothing that can't be sanded out. There are some detergent stains, but apparently those can be cleaned off. Anyway, be posting pictures in a bit.

Oh did I mention it was FREE?

 

Thanks again Phil!

 

P.S. This is the second KDS I've gotten from Cape Cod. Whats up with that?

 

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Post# 938353 , Reply# 1   5/13/2017 at 19:10 (214 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Post# 938355 , Reply# 2   5/13/2017 at 19:17 (214 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
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You get triple points for driving up to MA from NYC with weather like we had today. We cancelled Mother's day dinner out (never go on the Sunday as it is a racket), since no one wanted to drive in the monsoon. *LOL*

Post# 938356 , Reply# 3   5/13/2017 at 19:17 (214 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Post# 938359 , Reply# 4   5/13/2017 at 19:25 (214 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks Laundress. It was dry from New Haven onward, was partly sunny when I got to the cape. Traffic was light. Coming back, it started raining once I crossed over to Connecticut. And I-95 was backing up. Was really pouring by the time I got to the Hutchinson River Parkway and traffic was stop and go all the way to the Throgs Neck Bridge. I'm bushed...but happy!


Post# 938360 , Reply# 5   5/13/2017 at 19:27 (214 days old) by duke ()        

Very nice Louie, Pleasant story too.

Post# 938363 , Reply# 6   5/13/2017 at 19:29 (214 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Why thank you Duke.


Post# 938374 , Reply# 7   5/13/2017 at 20:35 (214 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor)        

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Yup, all that messy weather set to hit us later tonight thru tomorrow. Hate I-95 as there is too many jerks that have to go way above the speed limit and in the winter end in the "pucker brush". That was definitely worth the trip for that KA, Louie. Good luck with it, like you went on your "Rodeo" lol!

Post# 938375 , Reply# 8   5/13/2017 at 20:44 (214 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Hey thanks Tim, I'm very happy with it. It seems things always get hairy on I-95 along the Connecticut stretch. 


Post# 938376 , Reply# 9   5/13/2017 at 20:46 (214 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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I'm leaning very heavily on keeping the 58 and using the KDS-19 for parts. I read somewhere that the 19's upper rack and wash arm should replace the 58's for better cleaning results?


Post# 938379 , Reply# 10   5/13/2017 at 20:51 (214 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Louie!  Swoon.  And you're correct about the 19 series top rack with larger upper wash arm diameter. 


Post# 938382 , Reply# 11   5/13/2017 at 21:11 (214 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks Bob. I thought I had read something about that once. I also read you can convert a portable into a built in.


Post# 938385 , Reply# 12   5/13/2017 at 21:35 (214 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor)        

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Yes, you can convert to a built in Louie or even partial built in. If it can be set near a sink permanently and just quick connect to the faucet, plug it in and hide the hoses, I'd do it. I showed some friends how to do it and as far as I know they are still enjoying clean dishes from their old KA. But have to connect every time would be a pain. Permanently connect to just switching it on, requires a drain to something, electrical outlet connection with the plug and hot water that can be made thru a good washer hose. My old Whirlpool is built in, turn on, it shuts off when done. Worse thing is you have to empty it out and put it all away.

Post# 938387 , Reply# 13   5/13/2017 at 21:43 (214 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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Real nice Lou Best of Luck!
Peter


Post# 938397 , Reply# 14   5/13/2017 at 23:08 (214 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        
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Louie - glad you made it there and back safely. How many miles total, if I may ask?
The weather then was only bad on the way back, but I-95 sounded miserable to be on.

You done good, boy. I am jealous. That's ok. Sum-thin will come up around here one day.

You're welcome! Thank you, as well - been an inspiration here with the other madmen who keep this site interesting.

Phil


Post# 938398 , Reply# 15   5/13/2017 at 23:21 (214 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
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Great find Louis, I am so glad you got such a nice machine that you won't have to spend a hundred hours restoring.

 

Use it as it was intended [ be sure it gets enough food oils, sugars and acids like tomato, orange juice and vinegar in it ] and it should give you many years of great dish washing.


Post# 938402 , Reply# 16   5/14/2017 at 00:00 (214 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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So Happy for you Louis. I have been all over to Timbuktu chasing these machines. Most were in ehhhhh condition.

What a beauty and in "my neck of the woods" too. Sorry we couldn't see each other even for a few but had to get ready for all those "Mothers".

So Mint. That should be a forever and ever Dishwasher.


Post# 938408 , Reply# 17   5/14/2017 at 03:28 (213 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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I'm thinking of this Tim. Strip the KDS-19 of all interchangeable parts, do the upper rack switch. Since I'll be running lines behind the dishwasher anyway, I'll do a permanent water/drain installation in that case. Unsure about the butcher block top. I have a perfectly sized and matching counter-top I can place on it, giving it a "built-in" look. All and all, it will be a simpler installation than the KDS-19.


Post# 938409 , Reply# 18   5/14/2017 at 03:29 (213 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks Peter!


Post# 938410 , Reply# 19   5/14/2017 at 03:36 (213 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Well Phil, it was 552 miles R/T. Took me a little over 4 hours to get there one way going an average of 75 MPH. Coming back, sheesh, over 6 hours. Yeah, I KNOW. But it's in such nice shape, it was well worth it.


Post# 938411 , Reply# 20   5/14/2017 at 03:42 (213 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks John!

 

Thanks Eddie, well there's always next time when I'm up there. Who know's, I might find a 806 pair, or another vintage fridge! The KDS-58 is definitely going to be my forever dishwasher. Now watch a KDS-20/60 show up! LOL!


Post# 938415 , Reply# 21   5/14/2017 at 04:07 (213 days old) by earthling177 (Boston, MA)        


Nice! Enjoy it in good health!!!


Post# 938416 , Reply# 22   5/14/2017 at 04:38 (213 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thank you Paulo!


Post# 938450 , Reply# 23   5/14/2017 at 08:03 (213 days old) by turquoisedude (Ogden & St-Liboire (where??), QC, Canada)        

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Nice KDS58 Louie.   I knew you couldn't resist it... Congratulations!!


Post# 938464 , Reply# 24   5/14/2017 at 10:23 (213 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks Paul!


Post# 938468 , Reply# 25   5/14/2017 at 10:32 (213 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Congratulations Louis! Glad you have the 19 upper wash arm assembly. With that, this is the apotheosis of KitchenAid dishwashers.

 

I'm glad that you had a safe trip, too.


Post# 938474 , Reply# 26   5/14/2017 at 11:06 (213 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks Tom! Funny how things turn out. I originally wanted a KDS-58.


Post# 938475 , Reply# 27   5/14/2017 at 11:07 (213 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        
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It sure was worth the trip. Besides, it's not like you drive that part of the country all the time, anyways(although rain and traffic on the return offers more clenched-knuckle driving, probably). I'd go that distance for it - for even $50..these things just don't show up that often.

I drove 12 hours because I-85 had three accidents/road contruction on the way and 3 of the same on the way back just to get a stereo. Never again! I-85 is under construction for many years.

The upper arm swap is why I like to read aw.org, even if I never use the information, it's all interesting.

Hope it lasts as long as you love it!



Post# 938476 , Reply# 28   5/14/2017 at 11:08 (213 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Does any know the date of manufacture of this particular KDS-58?


Post# 938477 , Reply# 29   5/14/2017 at 11:12 (213 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
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Oh yeah Phil, coming back, it was all white knuckle driving. A lot of cars short stopping in front of me, always scared I was going to get hit in the rear (happened to me already). And the pounding rain certainly didn't help!


Post# 938478 , Reply# 30   5/14/2017 at 11:17 (213 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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great find.....a very nice looking control panel....

is your hot water going to be hot enough to compensate on its own?.....just odd not to see a heater of some sort in a dishwasher....

a shame theres not a way to add a heater......outside of switching control panels/timers....



Post# 938482 , Reply# 31   5/14/2017 at 11:45 (213 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Looking minty!

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Post# 938485 , Reply# 32   5/14/2017 at 11:55 (213 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks Martin. Hot water in the kitchen can be an issue. Usually it's very hot, but on occasion it is noticeably cooler. Thats because a lot of idiots installed washers and dish washers without a backflow valve. So I'm going to take a chance with the 58 instead of the 19.


Post# 938490 , Reply# 33   5/14/2017 at 12:24 (213 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        
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I'm sure you already thought about this but I'll ask anyways - could you install a tankless electric water heater? I doubt if our landlord would allow us to do a tankless, even if we agreed to be responsible for repairs or damage. It's just too easy to say no. But someone has probably added a Tankless Water Heater just to have that hotter water on demand in the kitchen.

Post# 938491 , Reply# 34   5/14/2017 at 12:32 (213 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

There is a dual wattage heater in the 18 Superbas, the only 18 series model with a heater. It runs during the wash period at 700 watts or so. If you select Sani Cycle, it runs at 1400 during the thermal hold in the final rinse. Unfortunately, you cannot do anything to increase the wash temperature beyond what the machine does during the heating while washing. It also heats during the soak periods of the Soak and Scrub cycle, but if you have really heavily soiled cookware, the WP Super Scour Pot Smasher cycle is the one you need unless you are using a new machine that runs all night with enzyme-based detergents .


Post# 938493 , Reply# 35   5/14/2017 at 12:55 (213 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
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You'd need a 220V connection to go tankless. I'll only have one installed, and that's for the dryer. I doubt very much the COOP board would allow a tankless water heater.

 

My folks vacation home has two tankless water heaters, one for the bathroom, one for the kitchen and laundry.  I love them. You never run out of hot water.


Post# 938494 , Reply# 36   5/14/2017 at 12:57 (213 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks for the info Tom. I was a bit confused when I saw the "Sani" indicator on the 58.


Post# 938496 , Reply# 37   5/14/2017 at 13:06 (213 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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That's a very pretty dishwasher! Congratulations!

Post# 938497 , Reply# 38   5/14/2017 at 13:06 (213 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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Good information, Tom. Other than the 18, the older KA's don't have heaters?

I'm just thinking...one could add a tankless H2O heater to supply the hotter

water needed if one's water heater isn't doing the job. In an apartment scenario,

it's unlikely anyone is going to get approval for one, but the idea/solution is what

came to mine.

And it makes complete sense: a heater-equipped dishwasher won't rely on outside

heated water sources, but...there's an idea. If the available water temperature is

higher in the house than in the dishwasher, a manual switch for heating functions

would be a slick feature. Who is going to know if their water heater temperatures

is higher? Ok, end of ideas. Thanks for adding interest.


Post# 938562 , Reply# 39   5/14/2017 at 20:35 (213 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Congrats on a great dishwasher. It does look minty-fresh, wow!

I've had many dishwashers come through my kitchen over the years and I always come back to the KDS-18. It's never let me down and will even take the "Bob-Loads" with ease and speed.

Use in good health!


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Post# 938564 , Reply# 40   5/14/2017 at 20:53 (213 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks Louis!

 

Thanks Gan! Looking forward to my first "Certified" Bob-Load!


Post# 938567 , Reply# 41   5/14/2017 at 21:03 (213 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Greg, photos of your dishwasher loads always make my heart skip a beat!!!!


Post# 940115 , Reply# 42   5/24/2017 at 22:06 (203 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Getting ready for a trial run. I've never used a vintage dishwasher before. I've read that today's detergents are designed to work with the longer cycles of modern dishwashers.  So I must add sodium tripolyphosphate to the dishwashing powder.  How much would I need? What would be the ratio to the dishwashing powder?  


Post# 940128 , Reply# 43   5/24/2017 at 22:35 (203 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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That's in beautiful shape Louie! Congratulations, portable dishwashers many times are in mint condition as they were rarely used as heavily as built-in's next to the sink.

An 18 series KitchenAid is a wonderful machine.


Post# 940130 , Reply# 44   5/24/2017 at 22:41 (203 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Hey thanks Robert. Well this one certainly lends itself to the low usage conclusion! According to the former owner, only used twice a year, Christmas and Thanksgiving. The underside looks pristine. While I will certainly use it far more, it will never be used daily. Just not enough dirty dishes.


Post# 940132 , Reply# 45   5/24/2017 at 22:46 (203 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
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I have had no problems using new non-phosphate detergents in my 30 YO WP DWs. I use a premium tablet in the main wash detergent cup and some cheaper liquid or powered detergent in the pre-wash cup [s].

 

The main thing to keep an eye on is how well the DW is performing, the dishes should be going in as dirty as possible, and the glass wear and wine glasses should be coming out sparking, if you start to see any filming or white residue on anything or on DW parts you need to do something different.

 

My impression is that the water in the NY area is pretty soft, so if you use phosphates you are even more likley to etch and otherwise ruin this DW.

 

John L.


Post# 940135 , Reply# 46   5/24/2017 at 22:52 (203 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks John. And you are correct, the water here is quite soft. I will try your method and report back. I plan to run the grease filters of the Sears and Nautilus hoods first. Dishes and cookware in the next wash. 


Post# 940281 , Reply# 47   5/25/2017 at 22:56 (202 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Test wash. Doing Caloric parts and grease filters for the Sears range hood. Currently in Pre-wash. So far so good. No leaks.

 

Does anyone know the length of each cycle?

 

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Post# 940285 , Reply# 49   5/26/2017 at 00:07 (202 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Well, not too happy with the results. It seemed to go through all the cycles, yet most what was put in is still a bit greasy. Certainly cleaner, but not totally clean. The water was scalding, I wonder if the detergent was to blame.

 

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Post# 940291 , Reply# 50   5/26/2017 at 02:28 (201 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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Louis,  I used to wash the grates from my old Caloric in the DW too and even with scalding water and brand name detergents it still just wouldn't get that old grease off.  I had to resort to something a little stronger to get it off (lye).  After that I had no problems keeping them clean in the DW.  In my KUDI23 I still use gel detergents with chlorine in them.  My mother has used them in hers since it was bought new in 1994 (mine is also a 1994 model but it was un-used when I purchased it a couple years ago).  With my softened water the tablets just produce waaaay too much foam in my machine.  The last time I used one it actually bubbled out from under the door.  So it's only gel, the new Cascade powder with Clorox (but it's misleading, there's no chlorine in that one),  or the Cascade fryer boil out (it has chlorine and phosphates in it) but I don't use very much.  I had foam issues with tablets in my old Maytag too but not as bad as in the Kitchenaid.


Post# 940299 , Reply# 51   5/26/2017 at 04:52 (201 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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My two cents...

Cascade Complete Powder.

I am not a fan of Tabs, Gel Pacs, or Gels especially in vintage machines.

You probably should have tried the Soak and Scrub cycle. Especially with Powdered Detergent. That may have worked better with the pause during the water heating and the soapy water on the parts.




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Post# 940328 , Reply# 52   5/26/2017 at 11:50 (201 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks for the advise Greg. What bothered me most was the greasiness of some parts when the cycle was over.I found a site where I can find the Cascade Fryer Boil Out:

www.restockit.com/2014-march-casc...

 

Eddie, I tried the Soak & Scrub cycle, but I didn't know then it ran for around 120 minutes. At 60 minutes I canceled the cycle fearing something was going wrong. Duh! That's when I used the normal cycle with the less than stellar results. I added Cascade Complete powder to the shopping list.

 

It truly is a noisy dishwasher! LOL! Louder than the Maytag A107. But I've discovered the magic of all those clicks, pings and the rest of those wonderful noises a real dishwasher makes. One thing though, on two occasions it did let out a high pitch whine, I'm not certain if it was during pumping water out or taking water in, lasted for around 20 seconds or so then died down. Was disconcerting nonetheless. After the cycles, I checked underneath, it was bone dry. And I saw no evidence that it has ever leaked. I am going for a second test run later today, the grease filter from the Nautilus is huge, it won't fit in the basket, so I'm going to have to be creative.

 

 


Post# 940333 , Reply# 53   5/26/2017 at 12:50 (201 days old) by swestoyz (Waterloo, Iowa)        

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Congrats on your dream machine!  While they may be somewhat noisy, at least it means they are cleaning. :)

 

For baked or caked on grease (like your Caloric items), I wouldn't expect the KA to spotlessly clean everything, but it certainly will try. 

 

Everyone's mileage may vary, but my experience with both a KDS-17 and my current daily driver KDS-20, dirty everyday dishes are what these machines are best at.  I've given up on the commercial Cascade powder or fryer boil out as those detergents leave behind a white film on glasses and everything else with my local water conditions.  The house brand packets from Costco or Sam's Club do wonders in the main detergent dispenser, and the pre-wash dispenser may get some regular Cascade (non-phosphoate) for heavy loads.

 

Ben


Post# 940365 , Reply# 54   5/26/2017 at 16:33 (201 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks Ben! An example what was not cleaned well were the ranges drip trays. They weren't that dirty to begin with. Most everything felt greasy, I'm kinda' leaning towards the detergent not being too effective.


Post# 940380 , Reply# 55   5/26/2017 at 18:52 (201 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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I agree....Cascade Complete.....

seems to give the best results in the poorest of machines versus anything else...odd as that may be.....

for some grates, especially ones from a gas grill, pretreat and soak with an auto engine degreaser seemed to give the best results....and you may have to add some scrubbing as well....


Post# 940481 , Reply# 56   5/27/2017 at 05:42 (200 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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I bought my fryer boil out on ebay.  It works well in my water, just ran a load last night, everything came out spotless.


Post# 940511 , Reply# 57   5/27/2017 at 10:25 (200 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Because we have soft water, I better stay clear of anything with phosphates. I'll run out and get a box of Cascade complete.

 

For heavy grease/carbon I got a can of Carbon Off, suppose to do wonders without scrubbing.


Post# 940588 , Reply# 58   5/27/2017 at 23:08 (200 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Did a second test, this time with dishes, cutlery and cookware. Everything came out spotless, save for some burned on grease in a frying pan. I used the soak & scrub cycle.

 

That high pitched noise is gone now, and I swear, the machine is running much quieter. Perhaps because yesterday it was turned on after a long time dormant?

 

I wonder if the Sani cycle would be more effective against grease?

 

Anyway, happy with the results.


Post# 940609 , Reply# 59   5/28/2017 at 04:58 (199 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Hi Louis.

Sani is same as Normal Wash with the last rinse heated to approx. 180.

Soak and Scrub is surely your best bet against grease and heavily soiled items. Always fill the two cups and the indentation for Heavy Wash and Soak and Scrub.

It would make sense the machine is a tad bit quieter since running it more frequently than twice a year. Also take into consideration you are getting use to a Vintage Machine : )


Post# 940642 , Reply# 60   5/28/2017 at 11:32 (199 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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Also, isn't a built in machine quieter by design? I'm sick with how beautifully clean this vintage KA looks and that it was free. Too bad you didn't document the sound of running it for the first time...would have enjoyed hearing it wake up from a too long rest.

We picked out Cascade Platinum, but with water and machine variables, just find what works best. Price is always the on-sale price.

Interesting..I asked myself, "what's the difference between Platinum and Cascade Complete?"

Doing a search, guess what came up first? (see link)


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Post# 940655 , Reply# 61   5/28/2017 at 13:07 (199 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Hi Eddie, I do fill the two cups but whats the indentation? Are you referring to Jetdry?


Post# 940656 , Reply# 62   5/28/2017 at 13:13 (199 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Darn, that would had been a great idea Phil. A video of it's first wash after a long slumber. Oh and thanks for the link, very informative.


Post# 940671 , Reply# 63   5/28/2017 at 15:31 (199 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
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Hi Louie, When you run the S&S cycle you put detergent in the recessed area of the DD behind the two doors that open. Otherwise there would be no detergent in the water during the S&S portion of the cycle. The pre-wash dispenser lid does not open till the fill after the S&S period.

 

I would consider trying a perineum tablet for the S&S wash, the S&S period on this DW is the only time this DW comes close to a guaranteed hot wash because the motor stops and the water is reheated in the sump to a set temp.

 

In any event the S&S cycle needs three shots of detergent to do its best job, keep in mind with your soft water conditions you do not need to even 1/2 fill the cups.


Post# 940716 , Reply# 64   5/28/2017 at 21:38 (199 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Aha! I only put detergent in the prewash and wash cups for the Soak and Scrub cycle. Perhaps THIS is why I wasn't too happy the first time around.

 

Thanks John!


Post# 964736 , Reply# 65   10/28/2017 at 20:12 by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Is there any particular sequence you most follow when switching the upper racks of a KDS-19C to a KDS-58?


Post# 964749 , Reply# 66   10/28/2017 at 21:43 by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Rack switcharoo - You only need to remove the pins from the front of the rack rail and wiggle out the blue stops. Rack just pulls out of the rail and new one slips right in.

Post# 964757 , Reply# 67   10/28/2017 at 22:50 by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Hey thanks Gan!


Post# 964856 , Reply# 68   10/29/2017 at 17:11 by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Louis, a solution to having sufficient hot water for the 18 is one of the small 120 volt water heaters. I don't know how much room you have close to the dishwasher, but the tanks come in 5 and 12 gallon styles. You could hook it to the hot water line and then to the dishwasher. You could set it to 150F or 160F and have hot water for the prewash and main wash.

One caveat I would give you about building it in is that the instructions for doing that involve putting a hole in the side of the cabinet. I got around that by putting mine across from the sink so the installer drilled down through 6 inches of cast concrete so that the plumbing and electrical went under the floor and saved the cabinet. Luckily, I had the boiler room space under me so the job was simpler.

Those stove parts benefit from a good application of oven cleaner and letting it work for a couple of hours before starting the dishwasher.


Post# 966274 , Reply# 69   11/5/2017 at 20:16 by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks Tom! But I have a narrow galley kitchen. Another appliance would not fit unfortunately. So far, with the buildings' hot water, it has performed quite well. As for the greasy stove parts, would Easy-Off harm the KDS-58? I'm thinking the plastic inside.


Post# 966276 , Reply# 70   11/5/2017 at 20:22 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Easy-Off Is Far To Aggressive to be used for other than

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What it is designed for; far better to seek out commercial ware/dishwashing detergents such as fryer "boil out". Same higher pH thing but things are are buffered not to harm automatic dishwashers.

Post# 966277 , Reply# 71   11/5/2017 at 20:24 by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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While switching the upper rack from the KDS-19C to the KDS-58 I discovered a small piece of the China Guard had been broken off from the KDS-19C rack. Not too noticeable. Also, the upper rack is in better condition than the one one the 58. The tines are immaculate.

 

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Piece of cake to switch.

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Post# 966299 , Reply# 72   11/5/2017 at 21:24 by barcoboy (Canada)        

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I did the same thing to my KDS-58 when I first got it, except my donor was a KDI-19. The bigger wash arm definitely helps.

Nice looking machine you've got there.


Post# 966304 , Reply# 73   11/5/2017 at 22:05 by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks Todd! Very happy with it!


Post# 969564 , Reply# 74   11/23/2017 at 14:57 by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Far from a Bob Load, just the first batch from preparing today's Thanksgiving meal. 

 

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Post# 969607 , Reply# 75   11/23/2017 at 20:38 by Steved (Guilderland, New York)        
KitchenAid and the holidays

We bring out the back up portable for the holidays to get things done!

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Post# 969702 , Reply# 76   11/24/2017 at 17:59 by Combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Hope everybody had a great Thanksgiving

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Our KD five KitchenAid dishwasher is finishing up the last load of dishes after a busy Thanksgiving dinner for 10 people, the two whirlpool dishwashers did the bulk of it but I’ve put a lot of large utensils in the KitchenAid running now.

I just put together 20 quarts of turkey beans tomato soup, now simmering on the Jennair cooktop.


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Post# 969734 , Reply# 77   11/24/2017 at 20:00 by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Did a bit of a switcharoo with the KDS-58 butcher block top. I had a base cabinet that I was discarding but the top was in great condition, and it of course matched the rest of the counter tops. As luck would have it, it was the perfect size for the '58. Even though it's a portable, it will be installed permanently where the Maytag 107 currently is. So now the KDS-58 will have a "built-in" look.

 

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