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Post# 939621   5/21/2017 at 07:11 (187 days old) by Rubaducky (Texas)        

Our washer is dead.

Top Load vs Front Load? Have researched quite a few.....including the SpeedQueen TL and the FL washer/dryer set.

Was leaning toward the SQ FL, but we have a 15 month old, and worried that his little socks, etc. will get caught in the SpeedQueen FL drain pump. Is this a still a concern (small items getting into the drain pump)?

Also open to other suggestions. Money not a motivating factor...just want an awesome washer.

Thanks!





Post# 939636 , Reply# 1   5/21/2017 at 08:23 (187 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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Topload vs frontload:

You can read lots of opinions in this thread. Everbody and their mother has an opinion about it. ;-)

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Post# 939639 , Reply# 2   5/21/2017 at 08:49 (187 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        

I had both the speed queen front load AND the top load version while I had babies in diapers.

With any front loader, you need to use a laundry bag for the little socks etc. top load units don't require bags, but they don't clean as well as the front load.

I know what you are thinking. Speed queen is like $3k for the set, it must be the best out there right? From strictly a reliability standpoint yes. There are better performing units out there.

Before you buy the speed queen, go look at an LG front load with the sidekick washer. My wife constantly washes a bib or 2, to prevent them from staining. That little sidekick washer is perfect for baby clothes.


Post# 939641 , Reply# 3   5/21/2017 at 08:55 (187 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        

FL is definetly the way to go. In my opinion at least. Better clean, more efficent, more versatile, bigger capacity.

With a young one in the family, I wouldn't even lean towards SQ and trade in the "reliability" (has been discussed on here as well as to why I put that in quotations) for an on board heater and a user-accesible pump trap and go with an LG.

No matter which kind of accident should come up (for example a stained comforter or such), the LG can wash any size of item in temperatures beyond 150°F without changing your water heater setting or having to do extra procedures (with a SQ, to get a real 140°F hot wash, even with the water heater set to 150-160, you often have to first prewarm tub and drum to counter heat losses there).
Big advantage as well is that the pump trap can be checked without any tools. Now good for little socks, later on for any misc items left in pockets. Though socks usually only get caught in the door seel and seldomly make it to the pump on most FLs anyway.



Shop around and see where you might get a good deal.
Most Kenmore FLs are LG made as well and scratch\dent isles or returns can be a great bargain as well.
Make sure it has an on board heater (either check the data sheet online or look for a Sanitize cycle).
If you can get one with TurboWash (or AccelaWash on Kenmores), go for it as this allows to wash day to day loads pretty fast (30-40 minutes).
And make sure you see the little square door at the bottom of the front panael. Behind that you find a little hose to completly drain the machine and the pump filter that you can check your self as needed.


Post# 939645 , Reply# 4   5/21/2017 at 09:28 (187 days old) by brucelucenta (Queen Roberta has blocked me from posting, so not likely to)        

All I can tell you is that I bought a Kenmore Elite front load washer and dryer made by LG going on 4 years ago. I bought it because I needed something that would wash a king size feather comforter that I had to take to the laundromat. It is so large capacity that it does that quite well and everything else I wash too. I have had no problems with either it or the dryer since I have had them. I use them constantly, since I have an invalid, incontinent mother who lives here too. I have never had any small items get into the pump and it has a trap that is just for that and prevents anything like that from happening. I can't imagine that speed queen would not have something like that too, but apparently they don't. Anyway, I have been very pleased with this set and thing you would be also. It can wash it the hottest of water. rinse up to 3 extra times and spin the clothes out nearly dry, which cuts down on drying time. It does take longer than a traditional top loader, depending on what options you choose to use, but it does a much larger load too. I am skeptical of speed queen because of the things owners have told about their machines they have had.

Post# 939783 , Reply# 5   5/22/2017 at 16:43 (185 days old) by Mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

As an owner of SQ TL, I've not have any problems at all. I think it will have a long life span, warranties are the best in the business, and more importantly to me is the incredibly quick cycle times.
Best of luck to you in making a good decision for your growing family. Cheers!


Post# 939784 , Reply# 6   5/22/2017 at 16:49 (185 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
Socks are easy to deal with

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Just buy a couple of delicate bags, or bra bags at Walmart.  Put your socks in those to wash.  Take them out before going into the dryer.  Less lost socks, reduces the chance of them migrating to the pump.

 

One thing, don't over stuff the bags.  If you have quite a few split them amongst a couple bags.  It also helps the machine in balancing for the spin.

 



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Post# 939821 , Reply# 7   5/23/2017 at 00:12 (185 days old) by Laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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I highly recommend LG either top OR front loaders. If you go to Costco,you may get a bundle where they match a set and add another year of warrant. Two years parts and labor. I have had great success with mine and the children may safely watch and or touch them because of the child safe locking doors and control panels. I prefer front loaders. They spin faster then top loaders and hold more per square foot. Turbo wash is my favorite type. They have a recirculating spray using three different nozzles built in to the mechanism. This guaranties a true uniform washing and rinsing. Quiet, efficient,economical and dependable.I recommend that you read what Consumer Reports has published including frequency of repair. LG has had the lead in this for years now. Fewest repairs then any other brands. Washers AND dryers.

Post# 939822 , Reply# 8   5/23/2017 at 00:16 (185 days old) by Laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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BTW
Some models have a drum light you may turn on during any part if the cycle. The option buttons have drum light written so you may see inside for up to three minutes. Then, it turns itself off but may easily be turned back on. Lots of fun to watch.


Post# 939907 , Reply# 9   5/23/2017 at 16:59 (184 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0700 CDT.))        
I really like my SQ FLs:

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After doing a lot of research I found that NOTHING else is built anywhere near as well. Some say they don't clean that well but once I learned how to set the cycles I am getting the cleanest clothes I've ever had.
WK78


Post# 939933 , Reply# 10   5/23/2017 at 19:44 (184 days old) by Rubaducky (Texas)        

Thanks for all the replies, but now I'm really confused! LOL. Guess I'm looking at SQ FL, SQ TL, or LG FL. So many options. Guess either one will beat this (or maybe not).

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Post# 939951 , Reply# 11   5/23/2017 at 20:47 (184 days old) by washingpowder (NYC)        

Coming from a family of 7, choosing a washer without a heater wouldn't be wise IMO.

Main concerns for me would be the ability to wash a large load really clean, and rinse even better. TL can't offer either. No heater means no truly hot wash, as previous replies mentioned.

A Sanitary (or equivalent) cycle with a bit of oxygen bleach and good quality, alkaline powder detergent will work wonders; also limiting the need for LCB and harsher chemicals that may not be compatible with baby's skin.

Considering your last post, as much as I despise the brand, I'd go with the LG.

Also, Elux released a new washer which looks very promising, and you can choose a high temp or a profile wash on many cycles. I didn't get it due to lack of a truly delicate cycle - but unless you want to wash silks and woolens with no user's attention, it would be a nice machine to add to your list.


Post# 939967 , Reply# 12   5/23/2017 at 21:53 (184 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        
From one father to another.....

999 gets you the TOL SQ top loader. I have 3 kids we washed for a family of 5 in a top loader. 35 minute wash keeps the kids dirty laundry moving fast. Longest warranty 5 years, according to Consumer Reports the best repair record for all washers. Just released. Built in AMERICA. An excellent choice. Mine is now 8 years old. No repairs. Google user reviews for any SQ washer and see for yourself.
Mike


Post# 939968 , Reply# 13   5/23/2017 at 21:57 (184 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
No heater

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Isn't truly a deal breaker. One must take other considerations into account.

Many commercial laundries in USA do not use heated H-axis washers. Then again some do, it depends upon what sort of washing is mainly done, and how often uber high temps that also must be maintained are required.

Just as with early dishwashers that didn't heat water, a washing machine can give excellent results if there are frequent changes of water, and or the cycles aren't very long.

Yes, after warm or cold flush/pre-wash incoming hot water at say 160F for initial wash will be cooled. But if that cycle only lasts say ten minutes, water dumped, then another fill with again 160F (or above) water, things will cool less as laundry has already been warmed.

Here is an old wash formula for linens, think hospital IIRC.

1) Five-minute cold rinse; (2) 10-minute soak in hot suds; (3) 10-minute soak in hot suds; (4) 10-minute soak in hot suds, with bleach; (5) five hot rinses with live steam; (6) six cold rinses, and a germicide solution is used in the third cold rinse; (7) water is extracted

Think many front loaders for domestic use don't bother with heaters out of the assumption Americans love using chlorine bleach. Unlike oxygen bleaches, chlorine is less dependent upon high tempearatures to give best results.

Properly dosed chlorine bleach will whiten, remove stains, and sanitize washing even in cold water at in < five minutes contact time. Five or six minutes is working with cool or cold water. In hot or high temperatures time required is much shorter. This is one reason why commercial laundries use a separate short cycle after washing for bleaching with chlorine based products.

In fact longer periods aren't effective and may contribute to textile damage. Any stain or whitening not achieved in about five minutes with chlorine bleach isn't going to happen at all.



Post# 939972 , Reply# 14   5/23/2017 at 22:32 (184 days old) by earthling177 (Boston, MA)        

I would say the "small socks in the drain pump" is a strange thing that people say.

For clothes that small you will need to put them in a mesh bag no matter what washer you get. Just ask here and you will get a bunch of stories about people who had to call service for their toploaders because small items (including women panties) ended up between the washer basket and outer drum and then the drain pump. Who knows when that happened, if it's because the machine was overloaded and things were forced past the clothes guard, of if people were not paying attention while loading/unloading the machines and garments got past the clothes guard or something else entirely.

All I'm saying is it can happen with any washer.

As for the Electrolux new washers, I am also curious about why the "Delicates" cycle on the new Electrolux washers are not adequate for silk or wool garments?

For a family with kids, particularly babies, I'd think the biggest problem would be the lack of a true pre-wash that uses one dose of detergent, empties (and hopefully spins) the wash liquor out, then refills with fresh water and a new dose of detergent -- the "pre-wash" compartment on that series is basically just to hold a dose of pretreating products that gets dispensed at the start of the cycle along with the detergent, then a profile wash with a "stain treat" cycle happens.

For a lot of the cases, one can make use of the "quick 15 minute wash" for a pre-wash, in fact it can work better than traditional automatic prewash because it will drain the solution, spin the clothes and rinse them and spin again. But one must come back to the machine and reload the dispensers and restart for a normal cycle. Also, if you use the quick wash, the wash part of the pre-washing would be 5 minutes or less, as opposed to the 10-15 minute usual with other washers.

In any case, at first glance, the Electrolux 617 washer and dryer set seem like a pretty competent choice at a very decent price, but I'm just on my first couple of months with my set and haven't yet put it thru all the paces (for example, I haven't run the delicate cycle yet). You get a regular/normal cycle that is geared more towards saving time/energy (45 minute cycle), cleans well, could rinse better (still much better than most top loading washers), then increasingly more elaborate cycles that use more water, energy and time (up to some 130 minutes) that clean and rinse very well. What I like about this set is that the machines do not appear to waste time on things like balancing the load for 30 minutes -- it decides pretty quickly if it's balanced and spins up or tries again so the cycles are *very* close to the initial estimate, as opposed to some famous machines that claim "60 minutes" and aren't done before one hour and half or two hours.


Post# 939979 , Reply# 15   5/24/2017 at 00:17 (184 days old) by Laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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I would NEVER buy any washer/dryer for the price SQ lists their machines. They may be made here but the parts used are made mostly in China. They have gears to wear out,belts that break and agitators that tear up fabrics. Their fls are o.k. but way overpriced. Even with five years covering them,there are some folks here who have had some problems and are not at all pleased with the product. I remember when they first came available back in the late eighties. There were so many problems that they had a recall and were no longer available. LG had some too with their top loaders and imediately fixed that. I bought three sets back in 2012 for my cousins and their parents. One top loader and two front loaders ( one with the riser drawers, one without). My cousins have lots of kids and wash larger loads daily. All three sets are still in use with no repairs in great condition and highly pleased owners. I got the fls in ss. One set was $1900. The other was $1650. For $99 extra, I bought the four year service plan giving them a full 5 year parts and labor coverage. So far, no issues and because of word of mouth and seeing them in full operation,nearby neighbors of theirs jumped in and bought the same ones. One of whom had a three year old SQ. that they hated because it wasn't big enough to hold their king size comforters. My cousin, Nanann,had them bring it over to wash in her LG FL and they were totally surprised at how easily it fit and how clean and fresh smelling the comforter came out. I hope you find a great set whatever one you choose.

Post# 939983 , Reply# 16   5/24/2017 at 01:36 (184 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Guess SQ machines are "assembled" in the US from Foreign sourced components?

Post# 939985 , Reply# 17   5/24/2017 at 01:40 (184 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Safe washer that can be used with kids around------Wasn't both LG and Samsung experiencing the "Spin-Splode" syndromes???Wouldn't want kids or other washer spectators to close to those.

Post# 939997 , Reply# 18   5/24/2017 at 04:20 (184 days old) by brucelucenta (Queen Roberta has blocked me from posting, so not likely to)        
tolivac

Only the top loading machines, which I would never recommend anyone to buy.

Post# 940005 , Reply# 19   5/24/2017 at 06:13 (184 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

The SQ TL would be the one I want.Have used them before in laundramats commercial and in apartment buildings. Liked them!Otherwise Swap shop TL machines for me!!Don't like the newer machines except SQ.

Post# 940008 , Reply# 20   5/24/2017 at 07:01 (184 days old) by empiratory (Northeast)        

I've been a front load person for years now and would never go back to top load willingly.

But I don't feel it's easy to purchase a washer these days. I've added a link that might be helpful in terms of what to look for and how to know what you are getting.

I personally own a compact Miele which I find outstanding in every way -- especially on delicates and Woolens. If money is not an object then the Miele Little Giant is a FL with maximum control, an outstanding heater and superb performance. I know several owners who swear by their machines. It does require a special electrical hook up.

Other very finicky laundry folk I know also like the Whirlpool Duet but one with the heater and the allergen cycle (harder and harder to find).


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Post# 940015 , Reply# 21   5/24/2017 at 07:47 (184 days old) by washingpowder (NYC)        

Launderess,

Don't commercial laundries also resort to a lot more alkaline detergents and additives that are then neutralized with a laundry sour?
Also, their incoming water temperature is significantly higher than what most households have to offer, I assume.

It doesn't seem fair to compare those two significantly different methods of laundering.

Earthling,

I didn't even notice they removed the pre-wash option from their new line.
Truth be told, never used it on my Elux 60 since it would fill with tap cold, tumble for 10 mins and then drain, no spin. Meaning lowered main wash temperature and plenty of left-over detergent.
For pre-wash I'd set the machine to normal, warm and let it agitate, then switch to rinse/spin.

Empiratory,

Mieles are fantastic but once I became Americanized through association they're just too small. There's only two of us and two shedding pets, so technically it *would* be possible to get away with a smaller machine, but collecting laundry and running larger loads is preferred here - especially whites and sheets. I think if a baby's on its way larger capacity would be beneficial as well. Especially considering cycle times of any FL, large or small, are similar.


Post# 940017 , Reply# 22   5/24/2017 at 08:05 (184 days old) by empiratory (Northeast)        

Actually @washingpowder, the Miele has been perfect for the two us of for many years now. When I use larger machines they seem way too large. But as we know, that may be a function of sorting or types of clothing we have.

Everyone has different needs. I should add that the Miele Little Giants are slightly larger than Euro compacts. However, even my Euro compact does king sheets, king blankets and king duvet covers.

I think, from my experience and from friends who own them, the Little Giant is a perfect machine for a PINO buyer and family with little ones since it can produce perfect stain-lifting results with those little clothes with few additives and great hot water functions. A family of 6 would likely need a larger machine, I agree.


Post# 940041 , Reply# 23   5/24/2017 at 13:20 (184 days old) by earthling177 (Boston, MA)        

@WashingPowder:

I'm curious to know what's wrong with the Delicates cycle on the new Electrolux washers?

We don't have many items that are delicate, and we don't wear them very often, so I haven't used that cycle yet -- also, we have other washers that have proved adequate at washing such loads, so I can certainly use the other sets, but knowing what's wrong with the cycle might help people choosing new equipment.

Thanks in advance,
   -- Paulo.


Post# 940045 , Reply# 24   5/24/2017 at 14:16 (184 days old) by washerdude (Canada )        

Your best bet would be a Maytag or Whirlpool FL, i've owned my WP Duet for 2 years now and not a single part has been replaced. On top of that it cleans very good.

Your next bet would probably be an LG FL, BUT make sure you get one with Turbowash (Accelawash on Kenmore's), without it, cycle times are horridly long.



Post# 940261 , Reply# 25   5/25/2017 at 20:42 (182 days old) by washingpowder (NYC)        

Empiratory,

True that. All depends on habits.

Paulo,

That cycle is perfectly suitable for easy-care or somewhat sturdier knits and such but way too aggressive for silks, woolens, blazers etc.

It would stay still while filling and then intermittently do a long tumble and add water in small amounts until satisfied, causing extra rubbing in concentrated solution. Then short, somewhat slower tumbles. No spins between rinses. Low water level offers no cushioning.

The Elux 60 does rinses the same way on all cycles - no actual pool of water, but long tumbles with recirculating. Somewhat slower on 'Delicate' but again lack of cushioning from a deep(or any!) pool of water may damage special care items or cause excessive wear. Such 'economical' rinsing procedure is nowhere near enough if delicate wash detergents are used (they work very well with regular detergents and intermediate spins ). It just seems they modified the Normal cycle slightly and called it 'Delicate' without giving it much thought.

The 917 fills higher to rinse IIRC but tumbling sequence is virtually identical.


Post# 940296 , Reply# 26   5/26/2017 at 03:43 (182 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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I've had European compact washers (Asko and Miele) for 20 years and have had no problems fitting king size sheet sets and quilts in either of them.  the only things that don't fit are the thickest king comforters which are usually taken to a laundromat anyway so they can be dried in a large dryer (I have full-size dryers at home but these items just dry better in those great big ones).


Post# 940323 , Reply# 27   5/26/2017 at 11:17 (182 days old) by Rubaducky (Texas)        
OP here....

Yep, Ukrainian trucks delivering Russian oil used make the Northern Chinese steel used to make southern Chinese parts shipped across the sea by some company based in Bermuda. Assemble and bam...Made in USA!!

Guys..I'm having trouble making a decision. So...used our home warranty to fix the old Kenmore Elite washer. Only cost me $60. That said...still want to replace with a new / better set. But for now...have some time to hang around the forum and make a less rushed/more informed decision.

Thanks again for all the great advice. Has been very helpful.

RubAduck


Post# 940352 , Reply# 28   5/26/2017 at 15:08 (182 days old) by appliancedude16 (Sunnyvale,California, U.S.A)        
Buy a Speed Queen top load washer

I would highly recommend a Speed Queen top loading washer.

Post# 941176 , Reply# 29   5/31/2017 at 17:06 by Bobbi (Pennsylvania)        

A lot has already been said about the benefits of a front loader machine. I had two of them before my current one that did not perform well. I did not choose the right FL machines previously.

My vote would be for an LG front load washer with steam, the Water Plus feature and the spray rinse would be really cool. I have the LG FL, but mine does not have the spray rinse feature. I do also have the little Sidekick washer underneath. Only bad thing is the Sidekick doesn't use hot water, no bleach allowed, and the optional Warm setting is not really warm.

Or maybe you want to consider the new Samsung FlexWash? Not sure that has a setting that allows you to add more water or not though, and I would personally prefer the tilted drum of the LG. Some of the HE TLers are good performers.

Decisions, decisions. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.


Post# 941185 , Reply# 30   5/31/2017 at 18:23 by UncleDave (California)        

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You have cheap and premium versions of both types.
The premium 220V front loaders offer features the cheapies can't touch.

I never once put small items in a bag in my Miele 1215 to protect them from loss.

I have for DW's bras and other items I wanted to limit the movement of - but never to stop a problem with item migration to an unwanted area.

Last I looked I had 10,246 cycles on it and have not once had an item migrate out of the drum.

Top loaders and most front loaders don't control temps to begin with and depending completely on the water inlet temp. 110 machines that do have a heater take typically take a long time to complete a load thats actually gets hot enough to kill germs, whereas the 220 machines blast through the germ barrier in under an hour.

You can always use bleach in lesser machines but the your fabrics can become compromised in short order using it.

I grew up with top loaders like most Americans but after living with a great front loader for about 15 years now I can't imagine going back to a TL. Especially in California where water is liquid gold.

UD








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