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Post# 939795   5/22/2017 at 18:43 by lotsosudz (Sacramento, CA)        

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I'm looking at getting a new front load washer. I'm considering A Speed Queen, and a Maytag. I know that the Speed Queen does not have an internal heater, and is smaller capacity. Does the Speed Queen dumb down the water temps, or is it straight from the taps. Also will the Queen hold king size bedding. Bulky mattress pads and Duvets. It does not seem like it. Anybody have either? Pros and cons. I'm also concerned about cycle times. I tend to do a lot of laundry all at once, and know that's an issue. Malcolm, anybody?




Post# 939831 , Reply# 1   5/23/2017 at 04:51 by Easyspindry (Winston-Salem, NC)        
I've got . . .

. . . a Speed Queen front load. Love it. If you choose hot water, that's what you get. It holds a great deal of laundry. I've done rugs, queen sheets (don't have a king), queen quilted spread . . . it does it's thing quietly. For the "whites" cycle, it takes 50 minutes. Spins at 1400 rpm.

Brought it home with me from the Beltsville Wash-In back in August.

Love mine.

Jerry Gay


Post# 939836 , Reply# 2   5/23/2017 at 06:28 by henene4 (Germany)        
Spins at 1400rpm

Pretty sure you are wrong. AFAIK SQs spin at 1200rpm.

I suppose if it fits in a SQ depends on the king size comforter in question. Thinner once for sure, a thick down filled one might get tight. And fitting dosen't mean it gets a propper wash.

You get a hot fill, but we had reports of people where due to heat losses to pipeing, the stainless tub and drum and the low water usage, hot turns out more semi-hot to pretty-warm. You can bypass that (first starting an empty cycle with hot water, let it fill, then drain, then load), but that is extra water and effort.

And we had some serious cases of SQ FLs (and TLs for that matter) failing.



So, yeah, by now, in my opinion, SQ is an equal choice to anything else. Really depends on what you wish for.
Do you want a more advanced cleaning system, go with the Maytag.
Do you want a more rugged down to earth design, go with the SQ.


Post# 939840 , Reply# 3   5/23/2017 at 07:08 by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
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SQ FL washers do not lower the hot wash temperature when set for a hot wash.

 

The capacity should easily hold any reasonable King Sized bedding [ go on SQs web site and you can see the demonstration ]

 

Both machines are good machines and will get the job done, but if you ever took them both apart you would see there is no comparison in build quality. It is like comparing a 1966 Kitchenaid DW and a Westinghouse DW of the same year, yes both were top performers in CUs tests that year, but the KAs outlasted the WHs at least 3 to 1, I would expect a SQ FL washer to easily out last three or more of any other FL washer you can buy today.

 

It really boils down to do you want to buy another washer in your lifetime, In my case I an leaving my 12 YO SQFL washer to someone in my will, as I know that I will never wear it out.

 

John L.


Post# 939846 , Reply# 4   5/23/2017 at 07:52 by henene4 (Germany)        

I love how people on here always miss my points just slightly, but enough to give entire missinformation.

As long as you do not use the Normal Eco cycle, the SQ will fill with pure hot water, that is true.
But the stainless steal outer tub has a thermal capacity way greater then the plastic tub of the Maytag. Combined with the lower amounts of water, this can greatly increase the temperature drop, even if it fills with pure hot water.
Further, the SQ per se can not counter these losses itself. The Maytag can.

And sure it can hold the bedding (any washer should be abled tl hold king size bedding), but comforters are a different beast entirely.


Post# 939849 , Reply# 5   5/23/2017 at 08:43 by stricklybojack (San Diego, CA)        

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Either the SQ lasts 30 years, or it lasts far less because of a motor control board failure that will cost too much to fix, and it will go to the scrap pile with a nice stainless tub and a few other comparatively overbuilt parts that will go to waste...
That said apparently all FL machines have these boards...Stauber anyone?
If king sized comforters are a routine wash item get one of those ginormous machines not named Speed Queen....ahem, imho.


Post# 939868 , Reply# 6   5/23/2017 at 11:17 by brucelucenta (tulsa, oklahoma)        

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My Kenmore Elite made by LG has been terrific so far. Going on 4 years now and still delighted with it and the dryer. It easily holds the king size feather comforter that frequently gets washed along with anything else. It DOES have the heat boost option that sq lacks along with several other options. The reason I chose it was for capacity and it has done very well.

Post# 939887 , Reply# 7   5/23/2017 at 14:25 by washerdude (Canada )        
Maytag.

I own the WP cousin: WFW72HEDW.
The only cycle it dumbs down temps is the normal cycle, all the rest give you straight up a hot wash when you select hot.
It is currently running in at a little over 2 years and no parts have been replaced.
No mold or smells either.
The Maytag comes with a heater which is a very useful feature in boosting temps.
Cycle times on a normal load for my WP Duet range from 36-47 minutes on the Normal Cycle with default settings.
The newer Maytags/WP's display 47 minutes on the normal, as opposed to 43 minutes on the previous models (mine). This is because all the rinse cycles on the normal cycle on the newer units consist of a spin cycle between the rinses. A much effective way to rinsing where as on my model, there is no spin between the first and final rinse.




Post# 939889 , Reply# 8   5/23/2017 at 14:29 by washerdude (Canada )        

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Post# 939891 , Reply# 9   5/23/2017 at 14:39 by RevvinKevin (Between Mickey Mouse & the Queen Mary (So. Cal.)        
No spin between rinses?

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That's one thing I don't understand or like... no spin, only draining between wash and rinse, or between rinses.  NOT a good way to promote thorough rinsing.  I'm pretty sure the Maytag Neptune 5500 and 6500 I have do not spin between the wash and first rinse. 

 


Post# 939892 , Reply# 10   5/23/2017 at 15:15 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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when it comes to opinions on this sort of stuff....

always go with what a mechanic will advise you, not a salesperson....

go with the advice of someone with experience.....

and finally, go with someone willing to put their money where their mouth is.....will they give you your money back if you take their choice of machines and it fails?

bottom line, just make good choices....


puffy comforters take up more space than a quilt....but usually a king size quilt, sheet set and pillow cases fit one load in a 3.3 cuft tub with no issues...your mileage may vary...


Post# 939895 , Reply# 11   5/23/2017 at 15:48 by henene4 (Germany)        
Funny you say that in that way

SQ does not take their machines back if they fail several times in a row, even if it is the same issue.

www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T...

As stated several times in that thread, SQ did not authorize a complete replacement. Not the dealer, the manufacturer himself!



Again, not saying SQ isn't a good choice. Just not necessarily the better one.



Post# 939898 , Reply# 12   5/23/2017 at 15:58 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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"That's one thing I don't understand or like... no spin, only draining between wash and rinse, or between rinses. NOT a good way to promote thorough rinsing."

Rationale behind not extracting immediately after wash (for H-axis washers at least) is to prevent pulling soil/detergent residue or whatever through "clean" wash.

In early days all commercial H-axis washers only did just that; washed and rinsed. Laundry was then removed to a separate extractor for water removal.

When commercial H-axis machines (and by then domestic versions) received spin cycles, many still only spun after the second or even third rinse. My older Miele only does one short pulse spin after the third rinse, a full spin after fourth then final spinning after last rinse on the "normal" Cottons/Linens programme.

Idea here was to remove soap/detergent and muck residue by dilution, much as some would do via hand washing. Also in the days of high sudsing detergents rinsing several times before attempting to spin lessened the chances of froth choking the pump (suds lock).

Also not spinning after the main wash gives laundry a chance to be cooled by the first rinse which one supposes helps make for less creasing.

It is an accepted fact however that the more spin cycles a washer has between rinses, the less need for that cycle. By adding a spin cycle between say the second and third rinse, means under most circumstances a washer can get by with one less spin cycle.

On my OKO-Lavamat the default Normal/Cottons/Linens cycle will spin after the first wash and indeed rather violently after each subsequent five rinses. However if one choses the "Sensitive" option the machine will do two deep rinses after the main wash with no spins in between, same as the older Miele. It then goes onto three (or four, cannot recall atm) rinses with spins (again some violently) between.

AEG claims this "sensitive" cycle is for things that are worn frequently and or wanting to be carefully rinsed for those needing such a thing.

One complaint about the first SQ front loaders (and reason one didn't bother with them at the time) is the machines only had short pulse spins between wash and each rinse.


Post# 939912 , Reply# 13   5/23/2017 at 17:54 by washerdude (Canada )        

I think removing a spin on the previous models also helps to save water as the clothes are already saturated. On the newer ones I don't think they are as stingy anymore judging by the fact the spin is present.

Either way, I always found that by the time it got the the final rinse the water would be almost all clear with no suds showing.


Post# 940229 , Reply# 14   5/25/2017 at 15:01 by lotsosudz (Sacramento, CA)        
THANKS FOR THE OPINIONS EVERYBODY!!!!

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i'm still a little confused, just on the size of the Maytag, vs. the SQ. Otherwise I have no hesitation in buying the SQ. I do like the shorter run times of the SQ. Personally, I think a lot of the other brands waste a lot of time sensing and tumbling with no apparent reason. The SQ seems more straight forward in that aspect. Well Thanks again for all the opinions and concerns, I really appreciate it.

Post# 940233 , Reply# 15   5/25/2017 at 15:13 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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depending on machine/model....many don't do a spin between wash and 1st rinse, as this 'rinse' is usually when bleach is dispensed....

as long as the first drain is dirty wash water, and the last pump out, no matter how many rinses or spins, is clear, that is all that matters....


Post# 940237 , Reply# 16   5/25/2017 at 16:02 by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
On my Maytag 5000 Fl

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Whirlpool Duet clone.  The only cycles that it doesn't spin between the wash and each rinse is the delicate and hand wash cycle.   All other cycles spin between each fill. 

 

All cycles on this machine, except the sanitize cycle are ATC controlled.


Post# 940275 , Reply# 17   5/25/2017 at 21:53 by stricklybojack (San Diego, CA)        

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I'm not sure all king sized comforters would tumble in a SQ FL machine. I think one with a lot of poly fiber fill might stay fairly stationary in the tub...that might not be a very satisfying thing to watch even if it stll managed to clean it fairly decently.
Bring your king sized comforter to the showroom and find out.





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