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Thread Number: 71047
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Got a Maytag wringer today |
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| Post# 940567 5/27/2017 at 20:33 (2,523 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
My sisters boyfriend had mentioned in the past a wringer washer in his mothers house (his older brother lives there). I was there today and he asked me if I wanted it. Its a square tub with a red agitator. Its in nice shape. Looks like low use. We loaded it in his truck and he'll bring it up tomorrow. Id guess 40s-50s. Will get the numbers off of it and some pics tomorrow.
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Post# 940570 , Reply# 1 5/27/2017 at 20:37 (2,523 days old) by ea56  (Cotati, Calif.) |
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What a great score Ken! I hope that you have room to use this machine. You will really love the speed and simplicity of washing with a wringer washer. Even though you have to pretty much hang over the job the whole time you doing it, you can get a weeks worth of laundry done in an hour. And the finished laundry is really clean. Many people, myself included find the experience almost zen like. Hope you do too!
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| Post# 940575 , Reply# 2 5/27/2017 at 20:48 (2,523 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
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We plugged it in before loading it and the motor hummed. I noticed the on/off lever at the bottom of the tub was in the off position. Should there have been any sound from the motor with the lever in the off position? I thought the motor may be stuck. I reached in and was able to turn the pulley/shaft. But I didn't plug it in again after that because it was already loaded at that point.
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Post# 940579 , Reply# 3 5/27/2017 at 21:04 (2,523 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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The knob in the front pulls in and out on a Maytag wringer to engage/disengage the agitator. So when you plug the machine in the motor is on. The wringer will work as soon as you plug the machine in. The on/off switch at the bottom would be to activate the pump. If the model number has a P in it then it has a pump.
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| Post# 940692 , Reply# 4 5/28/2017 at 18:51 (2,522 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
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Got the Maytag today
Did a little clean up and took some pics. It would have originally had a Maytag decal on the front of the tub, correct? What model is it? Serial number has me confused. Cant make out production date comparing it to the info listed in chart on the Maytag Collectors Club site.
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Post# 940695 , Reply# 5 5/28/2017 at 19:19 (2,522 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Ken
I believe its a Model N2LSP, I could be off on the order of the numbers, but its a Model N, and the P would be for pump, which it has as indicated by the on/off lever at the bottom, and the metal crook attached to the drain hose. Its'good that the wringer rolls are apart and not stuck together from years off non use. And yes, it would have had a Maytag decal on the front. This is just like the first washer I ever owned. These are great machines, and I like this model better than the TOL Model E withe the aluminum tub. I think the Model N has a larger capacity. Hope you'l have fun with it.
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Post# 940696 , Reply# 6 5/28/2017 at 19:21 (2,522 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Welcome to my world.
You have a Maytag J/Commander, same as mine though from a bit earlier.
IIRC those red Bakelite agitators were from 1950 through around 1955 or so, then Maytag went to black. Yes, there should be a "Maytag" decal on the front, also another with model and patent information below the serial number. Glad to see the agitator came off without any issues. Often they are stuck on (as was mine), which can prove to be a huge issue in getting off. | ||
| Post# 940699 , Reply# 8 5/28/2017 at 19:35 (2,522 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
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My serial number 263714Q checks out with those listed for the J on the Maytag site which are listed as 200,000 to 299,999. I thought the model number should have been indicated somewhere. This isn't my first wringer actually. I have my grandmothers 1933 Maytag which originally was gas powered. A 1927 Maytag. And a 50s? Montgomery Ward.
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Post# 940701 , Reply# 9 5/28/2017 at 19:43 (2,522 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Serial Number
While dinner was on the stove did some leg work on your behalf.
Looks as if your machine was made in April 1952. www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T... This fits with information one recalls from our parts/service manuals that state washers from 1945-1953 had a six number serial number followed by one letter. | ||
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Post# 940703 , Reply# 10 5/28/2017 at 19:50 (2,522 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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| Post# 940807 , Reply# 11 5/29/2017 at 15:19 (2,521 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
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Post# 940815 , Reply# 12 5/29/2017 at 15:54 (2,521 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Post# 940817 , Reply# 13 5/29/2017 at 16:00 (2,521 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine) |
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Post# 940821 , Reply# 14 5/29/2017 at 16:56 (2,521 days old) by Dermacie (my forever home (Glenshaw, PA)) |
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| Post# 940824 , Reply# 15 5/29/2017 at 17:20 (2,521 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
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Post# 940833 , Reply# 16 5/29/2017 at 18:14 (2,521 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Post# 940834 , Reply# 17 5/29/2017 at 18:20 (2,521 days old) by Dermacie (my forever home (Glenshaw, PA)) |
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Post# 940835 , Reply# 18 5/29/2017 at 18:20 (2,521 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Ken
pull the knob out , thats why is humming. Its supposed to hum the motor is receiving power and is ready to power the wringer. The agitator doesn't engage until the knob is pulled out, and when you push it in the agitator disengages. I guess its the clutch so to speak that engages the transmission for the agitator. Also, be sure the pump lever is in the off position. You don't want to run the pump dry for long. And that could also be some of the humming your hearing if the pump is on.
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Post# 940839 , Reply# 19 5/29/2017 at 18:44 (2,521 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Re: reply #17
That's the beauty part of a wringer. Once a week, about 1 hour's worth of time and the laundry is all washed, rinsed and wrung out. Now granted, it does take longer to dry, but if you a lucky enough to have a clothesline and good weather, you hang it all up, walk away for a few hours and take down. I used to really enjoy the whole ritual.
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| Post# 940840 , Reply# 20 5/29/2017 at 18:53 (2,521 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
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So its normal for the motor to just hum but not spin when plugged in? I grabbed the motor shaft/pulley and was able to turn it so motor isn't stuck. Pump lever is in off position. Agitator spins easily in either direction. When I heard motor hum I unplugged immediately. I didn't pull knob out. Will try that later.
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Post# 940876 , Reply# 21 5/29/2017 at 21:45 (2,521 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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What the man said
Like many vintage appliances with motors Maytag wringer washers do not have an "off" and "on" switch. Plugging the thing into outlet at once starts the motor, it is then the releasing of a "clutch" or whatever that starts motion. To cease motion one reverses whatever caused it to begin (switch, lever, button...).
My Ironrite ironer is the same way, no start or on button, just plug it in, motor starts, set the thermostat..... If you are truly keen on knowing the why and how, download service manual for Maytag "conventional" washers from the library. It goes into detail and gives explicit instructions on how the motor and everything else operates. | ||
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Post# 940887 , Reply# 22 5/29/2017 at 22:36 (2,521 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City) |
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| Post# 940936 , Reply# 23 5/30/2017 at 00:36 (2,521 days old) by Stan (Napa CA) | ||
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| Post# 940967 , Reply# 24 5/30/2017 at 09:52 (2,521 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
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But what I'm saying is the humming sound the motor makes when plugged in is the sound of being stuck and not turning as opposed to the sound a motor makes when spinning. Even though I was able to turn the motor by hand it doesn't make the sound like an electric motor does when energized. I will have to watch it as I plug it in.
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Post# 940973 , Reply# 25 5/30/2017 at 10:22 (2,520 days old) by Dermacie (my forever home (Glenshaw, PA)) |
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Post# 940976 , Reply# 26 5/30/2017 at 11:15 (2,520 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Yeabut
Ken, nothing will be known as to if this motor is operating normally or no unless or until it is plugged in and "clutch" released. If the thing then continues to "hum" and the agitator does not move *then* that is an indication something is wrong.
If the machine has been sat sitting for years or decades something very well may be "stuck" or works gummed up. But it could also be nothing more than just that; parts suffering from disuse. | ||
| Post# 940983 , Reply# 27 5/30/2017 at 12:09 (2,520 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
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| Post# 941034 , Reply# 28 5/30/2017 at 16:41 (2,520 days old) by stan (Napa CA) | ||
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| Post# 941253 , Reply# 29 6/1/2017 at 08:11 (2,519 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
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Had a little time last night to try again with pulling the knob out. Didn't make any difference. Motor makes same sound of being stuck. Guess I'll have to take it out and see what its problem is. I assume if I lay it down to get the motor out the oil would leak out of the gearbox?
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| Post# 941276 , Reply# 30 6/1/2017 at 10:30 (2,518 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
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Was just looking now for the first time at the list of serial numbers provided by the link Laundress posted and Im a bit confused. Does the Q at the end of the serial number on mine designate a Q series machine? Would seem to make sense. But the serial number doesn't fall within the numbers listed in the chart for the Q series. It does fall within the numbers listed for a few other series though.
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| Post# 941283 , Reply# 32 6/1/2017 at 11:13 (2,518 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
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| Post# 941347 , Reply# 33 6/1/2017 at 20:18 (2,518 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
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Larry
Tried turning the agitator with the knob pulled out and it didn't turn so I guess the clutch is engaging as you say it should.
And to answer your first question when I turned the pulley/motor shaft I don't believe the belt also turned. I think the belt just slipped on the pulley. It wasn't easy to get a good hold on it to turn it due to the angle to get my hand in there. | ||
| Post# 941354 , Reply# 34 6/1/2017 at 22:02 (2,518 days old) by Stan (Napa CA) | ||
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Could it be
Linkage to to clutch? When the knob is pushed in or pulled out, you should be able to feel it.
You could look under the machine and watch the clutch while pushing the knob in and back out to see what's happening. Has the pin fallen out? Dose the linkage need to be adjusted? Hoping its that simple, so you don't have to do a motor swap? | ||
| Post# 941424 , Reply# 36 6/2/2017 at 10:13 (2,517 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
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| Post# 941428 , Reply# 37 6/2/2017 at 10:42 (2,517 days old) by stan (Napa CA) | ||
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Water has leaked into the PU then you'd likely see a goo driping out of the weep hole on the right angle drive. It's hard to tell until the machine is full of water and running.
Check ur clutch operation, just to make sure, then try what Larry has suggested. Keep us up to date. There's a sucsess story here :) | ||
| Post# 941431 , Reply# 38 6/2/2017 at 11:21 (2,517 days old) by e2l-arry (LAKEWOOD COLORADO) | ||
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Could be a couple of things. It's possible that water got in and rusted everything together. Possible all the oil leaked out as some point and it froze up. Could be a gear cracked or "chipped a tooth" and locked up. That was the case with mine. | ||
| Post# 941433 , Reply# 39 6/2/2017 at 11:36 (2,517 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
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| Post# 941470 , Reply# 41 6/2/2017 at 17:35 (2,517 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
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Post# 941478 , Reply# 42 6/2/2017 at 18:22 (2,517 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine) |
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Mine had to be put on its back to get it thru a door and it seemed everything locked up after righting it and when trying it, hum, trip breaker. My agitator is locked solid regardless if the red knob was in or out. I'll use my '48 Kenmore wringer instead. You want the Maytag, for sale for free. I am not tearing it apart and I dont want it to go to a dump. Would make a nice patio cooler for beverages. Lower the hose and melted ice is gone, Amazing!
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| Post# 941494 , Reply# 43 6/2/2017 at 20:41 (2,517 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
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Success
Limited though. Laid it down and loosened the bolts holding the motor to the brace and slid it over to loosen the belt. Turned both the motor pulley and the power unit pulley. The power unit pulley seemed a little stiff at first but turned easier after the first couple times around. Turned both in both directions until they seemed to be turning easy. Found that the water pump is seized.
Stood the machine up and slid the motor back very close to where it was originally and tightened the bolts. Plugged it in and the motor kicked over and ran like it should. Pulled the knob out and the agitator agitated correctly. But the wringer wouldn't turn in either direction. The handle on the wringer turns to all found positions no problem. And the wringer assembly releases and rotates like it should. Even though I laid it down on its front oil leaked out. You can see in in pic 1 on the bottom right. | ||
| Post# 941514 , Reply# 44 6/2/2017 at 23:14 (2,517 days old) by Stan (Napa CA) | ||
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Wringer
You could lift wringer off the post (heavy) plug in and look down the shaft (torque coupling) and make sure it's turning. If it is then at least you know somethings wrong with the wringer head. That wringer head and its function can get complicated.. Lots of parts a pieces..
Try lubracating what you can, replace, try again. | ||
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Post# 941515 , Reply# 45 6/2/2017 at 23:23 (2,517 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Good for you, don't stop now; keep going.
Plug in the washer and let it run for ten minutes or so without agitation. Then engage the agitator for ten or whatever minutes. Am guessing this machine has been sat sitting for a very long time and things have or had seized up.
If you can drain the tub manually (simply lowering the hose to floor level) and either don't mind a bucket brigade and or have another way to drain; fill the tub with hottest water you can, then go with the above advice. Idea here is to get things softened up (in particular the various lubricants), and flowing. Happily Maytag built these machines like tanks and to some extent over engineered them for their purpose. Service manual (available onsite from the library), tells how to detach and dissemble the pump for cleaning, trouble shooting and or repair. If the thing is also "jammed" it could very well be years of not dissolved detergent/soap, crud and God only knows what else has dried into a mass that needs cleaning out. | ||
| Post# 941564 , Reply# 46 6/3/2017 at 08:48 (2,517 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
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Post# 941599 , Reply# 47 6/3/2017 at 16:41 (2,516 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Might also be a good idea to put some hot water in the tub and allow it to sit in order to get the seals rehydrated.
You've been around vintage machines, so am sure know the drill. Hot water in tub, then after a period peek underneath to check for leaks. Though one usually choses to place machine over some sort of paper (news, old shopping bags, etc...), to ease some of the bending and scooting under. | ||
| Post# 941615 , Reply# 48 6/3/2017 at 18:14 (2,516 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
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Let it run for a while today. I removed the wringer assembly and saw the shaft that supplies power to the wringer is turning. So the problem must be in the wringer assembly. Should I be able to turn the lower roller by hand? I can't at this point. Wouldn't be surprised its just stuck from sitting for such a long time.
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| Post# 941639 , Reply# 49 6/3/2017 at 20:07 (2,516 days old) by stan (Napa CA) | ||
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| Post# 941709 , Reply# 50 6/4/2017 at 09:37 (2,516 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
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| Post# 941724 , Reply# 51 6/4/2017 at 11:11 (2,515 days old) by Stan (Napa CA) | ||
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| Post# 941782 , Reply# 52 6/4/2017 at 18:43 (2,515 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
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Post# 941822 , Reply# 53 6/4/2017 at 23:01 (2,515 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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If right angle drive is functioning then that leaves only two main other areas IMHO. Wringer head assembly and or upper roller itself.
Am still going with one or both are "stuck" from long period of inactivity, not being lubricated and perhaps a build up of "gunk" somewhere. Checked my wringer yesterday night and yes, the lower roller does not move but can easily turn the upper. Thinking out of the box for a moment.... Only other thing can think of is the wringer rollers need to be "reset". That is you or someone over the years the thing sat sitting triggered the safety mechanism thus releasing tension and rollers cannot engage. www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T... www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/... www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T... If the right angle drive is receiving power and turning, something is either binding the wringer mechanism and preventing movement of rollers, or somehow tension is not properly set. Tend to think the wringer gears would at least make attempts and or give off some sort of sound indicating gears were "stuck". | ||
| Post# 941836 , Reply# 54 6/5/2017 at 02:43 (2,515 days old) by Stan (Napa CA) | ||
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Ken
Try the search again, but type in "winger head/gearbox"
Just checked and Bruce's email is there. Agree with Laundress..what's she has sugested is very possible. Sounds like your right angle gear is functioning..if it wasn't then you wouldnt have seen it turning when you looked down it after you removed the wringer head. Check out her links. Somethings up with the wringer head. | ||
| Post# 942061 , Reply# 55 6/6/2017 at 12:59 (2,513 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
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Thanks for the info and links
Finally found the thread from Bruce too.
www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T... Upper roller turns no problem. There is no noise when trying to engage the wringer. Lower roller is probably stuck from years of sitting without use. Will take a closer look and give it a good lube job. | ||
| Post# 942194 , Reply# 56 6/7/2017 at 02:00 (2,513 days old) by Stan (Napa CA) | ||
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Rember Ken
The lower roller is not suppose to turn when not in use.
Somehow mechanical turning from the gear is not engaging the action of that bottom roller. When working properly.. It's only the bottom roller that is suppose to turn. Top roller alway spins free. I would think that if bottom roller is stuck, you hear noise when you but your not. Something is not engaging it. Check trigger ring. | ||
| Post# 942212 , Reply# 57 6/7/2017 at 07:52 (2,513 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
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The wringer assembly is all the way down where its supposed to be and it must be engaging the shaft because the whole assembly spun around when the control lever was put into the unlocked position. If the "trigger ring" is the assembly underneath that slides in and out when the control lever is moved into the four positions that moves as it should. I see no damage to it.
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| Post# 942229 , Reply# 58 6/7/2017 at 09:35 (2,513 days old) by stan (Napa CA) | ||
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Sliding in or out when the control lever is moved | ||
| Post# 942235 , Reply# 59 6/7/2017 at 10:14 (2,512 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
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Post# 942309 , Reply# 60 6/7/2017 at 17:24 (2,512 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Wringer Rolls Will Not Operate - Motor Runs | ||
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Post# 943036 , Reply# 62 6/11/2017 at 15:31 (2,508 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Free? No, but our generous webmaster provides a copy of Maytag winger service manual at a very reasonable rate. Sometimes you just have to loosen the mousetrap and pay for something.
Have only the one Maytag conventional washer, but have opened my purse for at least three service/parts manual and one owner's guide. www.automatice.org/cgi-bin/index.... | ||
| Post# 943039 , Reply# 63 6/11/2017 at 16:12 (2,508 days old) by tarantulae (Colorado) | ||
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Its a digital copy. The only cost is the data to send. It could even be uploaded to a file sharing site if the bandwidth costs are too much. What benefit is gained by witholding the information? | ||
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Post# 943044 , Reply# 64 6/11/2017 at 16:31 (2,508 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Ok, am offically out. | ||
| Post# 943058 , Reply# 65 6/11/2017 at 17:36 (2,508 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
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Duncan
Thanks for the info. When you placed the wringer control lever in the unlocked position with the motor running did the whole wringer assembly want to spin? I took the wringer assembly off yesterday and planned to open it today but didn't get around to it. Please post your pics and info here and also those from Bruce if you get them from him.
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Post# 943069 , Reply# 68 6/11/2017 at 19:19 (2,508 days old) by Dermacie (my forever home (Glenshaw, PA)) |
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| Post# 943121 , Reply# 69 6/11/2017 at 23:00 (2,508 days old) by Stan (Napa CA) | ||
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Trigger ring
May or may not be the problem but here a pic. Sorry for it being sideways
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| Post# 943249 , Reply# 71 6/13/2017 at 02:56 (2,507 days old) by Stan (Napa CA) | ||
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Ken
Here's some troubleshooting from the service manual. Hope this helps.
As you can see You need a manual dude. (Sorry it's sideways) Let's us know how you make out.
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| Post# 943265 , Reply# 72 6/13/2017 at 08:15 (2,507 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
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| Post# 943910 , Reply# 73 6/16/2017 at 23:26 (2,503 days old) by Stan (Napa CA) | ||
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| Post# 943914 , Reply# 74 6/16/2017 at 23:35 (2,503 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
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| Post# 943928 , Reply# 75 6/17/2017 at 02:59 (2,503 days old) by Stan (Napa CA) | ||
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Manual
Mentions a slide key with regards to the selector, pinion ect
Im thinking your problem could be here. You'd have to get the pin out of the selector, remove it, remove the head have a look inside. If it's there fix it and repack. Just a guess.
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| Post# 944034 , Reply# 76 6/17/2017 at 19:28 (2,502 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
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| Post# 944146 , Reply# 77 6/18/2017 at 18:11 (2,501 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
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Got it open today
Didn't find any bad surprises. I was able to turn the horizontal gear/shaft that turns the lower roller by hand. It was a little stiff at first. After spraying it with some PB Blaster it turned much easier. The vertical shaft and gears looked okay. Was able to turn the gears by hand but were stiff. When I turned the gears the shaft didn't turn. Used a handle from a floor jack as it has notches in it which fit the lower end of the vertical shaft where it fits with the upper end of the vertical power shaft. The shaft and gears then turned. After turning the shaft with the handle I expected it would then turn when I turned the gears by hand but it didn't. I wonder if that's correct operation? You can see the old grease in the bottom of the housing. Need to clean it out and repack with new grease. Remember seeing in an old thread the spec for the amount of grease to use. Will have to find that again as I don't remember how much is needed.
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| Post# 944188 , Reply# 79 6/19/2017 at 02:57 (2,501 days old) by Stan (Napa CA) | ||
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| Post# 947198 , Reply# 81 7/8/2017 at 18:06 (2,481 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
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| Post# 947303 , Reply# 82 7/9/2017 at 11:33 (2,480 days old) by Stan (Napa CA) | ||
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