Thread Number: 71061
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
I just fell in love with impellar washers! |
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Post# 940668   5/28/2017 at 15:08 (2,496 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 940676 , Reply# 1   5/28/2017 at 16:20 (2,496 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 940685 , Reply# 2   5/28/2017 at 17:21 (2,496 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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I love my new Maytag MVC415EW. It has an agipeller and functions pretty much just like the one in the first video. I've never owned an automatic TL that cleaned better. I use the Powerwash and Deepwater wash cycles the most and Bulky for large articles like flannel sheets, blankets, bedspreads, comforters and pillows. Every load is rinsed thoroughly and I've never used the extra rinse, its not necessary. I really like the presoak option for whites. The longest cycle time I've ever had so far is 60 mins. I'm sold on this design.
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Post# 940717 , Reply# 3   5/28/2017 at 21:49 (2,495 days old) by lotsosudz (Sacramento, CA)   |   | |
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I know that everybody has their own opinions on impeller washers.The deep water feature, seems to me, the only usable cycle on this format of washer I just do not see how the lower water level cycles, that bounce your clothes on top of the impeller cleans anything. I'm sure i'm wrong but I'm old school.
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Post# 940759 , Reply# 4   5/29/2017 at 05:11 (2,495 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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I would agree. I am going to be honest {fantasy time :)}, if they came out with a model with an infinite position pressure switch, all deep fill cycles (Heavy, Normal, Light, Delicate, Hand-wash, rinse, spin and drain) with temp switch I would buy one in a heart beat just for the delight. And a BOL Galaxy version of this would be so satisfying.
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Post# 940880 , Reply# 6   5/29/2017 at 22:11 (2,494 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Why? Just because it fills all the way with water?
OK so it fills all the way with water, AND? Do you think your clothes will get clean in a machine like this with a full tub of water? The only thing happening in these videos is it's swishing or swirling the garments around. Sure it's great if you have delicate items that are lightly soiled, but real world soil... I'm sorry I don't see how anything would get clean. It's just a waist of water unless you're washing large, bulky items.
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Post# 940891 , Reply# 8   5/29/2017 at 22:46 (2,494 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 940972 , Reply# 10   5/30/2017 at 10:05 (2,494 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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These top load HE impeller machines are designed to operate with low water levels and "grind" the garments clean. The problem is when the tub fills with water, they didn't change the wash profile/program, or it changes very little if they did.
Yes the impeller on the older machines (twin tubs, etc) ran a longer duration before reversing direction, but also turn at a much higher rpm. Yes I'm sure they could spin the impeller faster and for a longer time, but with a tub full of water there would be a big risk of water sloshing, splashing and getting up and over the top of the tub. Obviously not a good thing.
Yes, the Calypso is a MUCH better washer than these things.
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Post# 940998 , Reply# 12   5/30/2017 at 12:50 (2,494 days old) by whitetub (Montreal, Canada)   |   | |
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I would like to see a dirty load, being washed in the regular cycle. And see the before and after picture. Like those old Tide commercials. |
Post# 941036 , Reply# 14   5/30/2017 at 17:06 (2,494 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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granted these don't compare to a Calypso....
this is a newer version, but I have a 2010 Cabrio, and it works very well, once you get past the mental part of lower water levels.....it is a concentrated detergent solution, and adds more water as it goes along..... all I can tell you, the first wash water drain is filthy, there is usually 2 spins sprays for the rinse, the last draining is clear, and the clothes are clean.....you can't argue with those results....don't knock it until you get a chance to play with one... kudos to JoeyPete for the vids........ |
Post# 941042 , Reply# 15   5/30/2017 at 17:37 (2,494 days old) by agiflow2 ()   |   | |
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I may be in the minority but I would take one of these f&p based machines before a calypso any day. |
Post# 941047 , Reply# 16   5/30/2017 at 18:44 (2,494 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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Thanks Martin for posting Joeypete's excellent video's, and thanks Joeypete.
I haven't managed to rig my Maytag to watch with the lid open. But I have opened the lid from time to time to take a look and this is the level of water I've seen on the Deepwater cycle and the video of the white cycle appoximates the Powerwash cycle in the level of water. And judging from what I've noticed as to movement of garments, my Maytag does about the same. The LG FL that I had before this never used as much water as the Powerwash. on the MT does. If I have a full to the top mixed load of towels and other garments I use the Deepwater cycle. It only fills to cover the fully saturated load with about 1" to 2" of extra water and seems to be fully adequate. The Bulky cycle does fill to the top if necessary, and does a great job on extra large articles. I agree with Martin, you need to play around with one to really know how they perform. Where the LG excelled was in extraction, the MT doesn't spin as fast. But this hasn't been a problem. It would be a boring world if we all liked the same things. Eddie |
Post# 941056 , Reply# 17   5/30/2017 at 19:30 (2,494 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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mine is a 2010, very close to this one of Gansky's.....
have found this one to be the best at a water to clothes adjustment for auto sensing, it wont start agitating until there is enough water to make the tub float...like it or not, it is effective... I did remove the restrictor on the hot water side, warm is warm, and hot is only dubbed down about 10 degrees from my water heater setting....it fills faster too... |
Post# 941106 , Reply# 18   5/31/2017 at 03:45 (2,493 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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I hear you, but do you have anything to back up your claims? Maytag manuals from the 70s specifically said it was water moving through the garments that cleaned clothes. There are parts of the world that used (and still use) impellars and in so far appear to be doing well. A full tub of water gets rid of the excessive wear and tear (IMO) from the impeller and gives more room for loading. Over all, if this design was tweaked just a tad on deep water level I think it would give really good results with added tub volume.
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Post# 941145 , Reply# 19   5/31/2017 at 13:44 (2,493 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Post# 941150 , Reply# 20   5/31/2017 at 14:10 (2,493 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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I washed a couple 30" x 46" rubber-backed rugs (separately) in my Calypso a couple days ago. Used the Woolens cycle for minimal nutation and more recirculation-shower time. Sometimes use the Bulky cycle which has some moderate-speed nutation. I place them in the drum with the nap facing upwards and the perimeter folded under. It works very nicely. Be interesting to see how an impeller machine handles such items, on both a low-water cycle and a deep-fill cycle. |
Post# 941164 , Reply# 21   5/31/2017 at 16:07 (2,493 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 941165 , Reply# 22   5/31/2017 at 16:14 (2,493 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 941167 , Reply# 23   5/31/2017 at 16:21 (2,493 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Deep water impeller machines are still popular in a lot of countries. Often they are used for cold water washing with special detergent for that. You don't need much power, just a lot of water to use them.
When I bought my LG Turbodrum I had hoped it would do a good job, but alas it was a bit of a disappointment. I couldn't get my whites as clean in a Turbodrum as I did in one of my European frontloaders. |
Post# 941169 , Reply# 24   5/31/2017 at 16:27 (2,493 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 941174 , Reply# 26   5/31/2017 at 16:55 (2,493 days old) by UncleDave (California)   |   | |
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Post# 941175 , Reply# 27   5/31/2017 at 16:59 (2,493 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 941179 , Reply# 29   5/31/2017 at 17:41 (2,493 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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about the only downside to a HE impellor machine is washing a puffy comforter, even on the Bulky Cycle....a FLer is usually best.....
but for a King Size quilt, it has no issues on a 'sheets' cycle....Deep Water Option not needed.... you will actually find less wear and tear, and lint in a HE impellor machine versus a traditional TL with an agitator... even my Avanti and Magic Chef can be operated in regular or HE mode.... as with anything, your mileage may vary.... |
Post# 941180 , Reply# 30   5/31/2017 at 17:58 (2,493 days old) by washerdude (Canada )   |   | |
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Samsung and a king size comforter: This would be a true bulky load test, but I'd still prefer a FL to wash bulky items like these. |
Post# 941193 , Reply# 32   5/31/2017 at 20:14 (2,493 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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well then your comparing apples to oranges.....
the OP that started the thread, or I should say the subject matter, is focused at standard TL HE machines that use an impellor type of wash action.... even so, in the vids you posted, also mentioned in those, wash action was very effective, and all stains were removed to his liking....nor was there any mention of excessive wear....outside of washing a load he felt was too much for that size of machine... the Avanti 1.7 is rated at a 12lb capacity, which is equal to a GE V12 FilterFlo....pretty impressive if you ask me...and its fully automatic and extremely flexible controls.....my next choice is to try out the 3.0 version.... my best advice if you dont have one, attend an event and try one out....it might change your mind, it sure has to the members who have seen mine... |
Post# 941199 , Reply# 34   5/31/2017 at 20:57 (2,493 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit)   |   | |
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Post# 941203 , Reply# 35   5/31/2017 at 21:46 (2,492 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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no, I get where your coming from....
the Avanti does have fuzzy logic of sorts, which I would love to see in these full size machines.... heck, I would love to see these full size machines with this much flexibility in cycles and options.... there are too many variables to list with the choices you make as to what the machine will do..... just by water level alone, say for instance, the low setting will automatically adjust wash pattern and speed versus a high water level... theres also no messing around with sensing and adjusting.....pauses are built in for soaking, but that is based on the cycle selected.... I felt the same way that many did about these low water level machines.....first another member showed me his, then I got a few to play with....they are interesting machines... in that full fill HE, if the wash action was more vigorous, it might give better cleaning results....but also good to know if washing something delicate...but that is a lot of water for washing a few items... I always welcome you attending one of my events....bring some laundry...and give a few of these machines a whirl.... and to think, these newer ones are adapting better...new ideas may come to light... as to the suds in an HE....if you seen a calypso in action, whipping the water and detergent into a high concentrated lather saturating the load....as long as the machine can rinse it all away, your not going to get any better cleaning than that.... |
Post# 941242 , Reply# 36   6/1/2017 at 06:44 (2,492 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)   |   | |
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That's my main comment on this subject since it's been beat to death!
I feel like a broken record.... My new Maytag cleans extremely well...whether it's a small load or large load, using HE or Deep Fill. I'm very impressed with it. I feel kind of the same way about the older style DD machines, like the Kenmore I had. The agitator seemed a bit more robust and the machine overall was a bit more aggressive with agitation. But honestly the new lower profile impeller really does a good job too. I only wish that recirculating water was standard on all these types of machines. If anything it gives you more of a sense that the clothes are getting thoroughly drenched with cleaning solution. I'm really convinced that people dissing HE machines are doing so just to piss off people that like them. I mean how many videos and personal statements from people that own these machines and use them regularly do you need to believe they DO work? Everyone must be lying and are being paid by appliance companies to endorse these machines! LOL. Oh brother. YOU DON'T NEED 1000 GALLONS OF WATER TO GET CLOTHES CLEAN. |
Post# 941278 , Reply# 37   6/1/2017 at 10:52 (2,492 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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Very well put Joeypete, thanks! It's almost insulting for people that haven't even used these types of machines to make blanket statements that they don't work or clean well. If you don't like the idea of this kind of machine, then don't buy one! Different strokes for different folks. But to insinuate that those of use that do own one of these machines and are pleased with them, don't know WTH we are talking about shouldn't have a place on a website dedicated to those of us that love washing machines. Theres room for everyone and there is always something new to learn until you take the final deep sleep at the end of the road.
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Post# 941315 , Reply# 38   6/1/2017 at 17:07 (2,492 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Not what I was trying to communicate- just that if I had an impeller washer my preference would be for a deep fill. Opinions and preferences do vary, and deep filling is just my own. I was not trying to bash those who get great results from HE washers- I am certain most people on here get stellar results. :) As I've said before, I would not mind a SQ front load washers- and if they put heaters in them I would have probably gotten on of those over a traditional top load.
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Post# 941324 , Reply# 39   6/1/2017 at 18:12 (2,492 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)   |   | |
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Post# 941329 , Reply# 41   6/1/2017 at 18:24 (2,492 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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