Thread Number: 71274
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
Follow-up on LG FL washer...a year later. SQ it is. |
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Post# 943382 , Reply# 1   6/13/2017 at 21:34 (2,480 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)   |   | |
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First off I would look to see if you have a vane nicked up in the drum. Then I would look at laundry prep like do you close zippers on jeans and such? Then I would look at what you are using for water temps. If you are using tap cold and never a hot wash for lets say whites, and you don't leave the door open after your laundry day is done, you will get a smell. Or you don't remove the laundry as soon as the washer finishes and you decide to come back a day or two later, that can cause an issue. Then there is the choice of detergent. If one does not use the correct dosage you will have issues.
I have an LG 3570 front loader and never have any issues with what you describe. But thats because I prep laundry properly, sort, and I use a good detergent like Persil or Tide. I also use the TurboWash feature on every cycle. That alone will save time and clean better than just plain tumbling. I have found that the Steam option does very little for performance. I also never use cold water to wash laundry, its either hot for whites on Bright Whites and Warm from everything else. So before you chuck the LG washer figure out what you are doing and go from there. Also overloading the washer will get you the results you describe here. Just my opinion. Also when you think of getting an SQ washer, if its a top loader as I have one, it aint all that. |
Post# 943461 , Reply# 6   6/14/2017 at 17:01 (2,479 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)   |   | |
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That thought occurred to me too, as I had recently read something online about the dodgy software. Maybe Dreamclean's model simply requires a software update? |
Post# 943589 , Reply# 17   6/15/2017 at 12:09 (2,478 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Ran across this in a discussion on another board. It's oriented from the POV of cleaning cloth diapers but should be reasonably relevant to any usage situation. Fluff Love University - Detergent Index |
Post# 943697 , Reply# 21   6/16/2017 at 04:24 (2,477 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Every new 100% cotton item that I buy gets a overnight soak in cold water with a cup of distilled vinegar. It helps against shrinking and colors bleeding.
That cotton top sounds like it could be a delicate item, so I wouldn't wash it on hot. But every clothing item that one wears on the skin can endure a warm wash (100 - 105F) Hope in the end you get more satisfaction from your machine than you did until now. |
Post# 943804 , Reply# 24   6/16/2017 at 14:07 (2,477 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 944187 , Reply# 30   6/19/2017 at 02:11 (2,475 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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I also read a chapter from Home Comforts and she said hot has a tendency to shrink and fade fabrics.Thing is, that refers to "real" hot water, tap hot, 120°F up to 140°F. HE washers nowadays won't get anywhere near that except on a designated Sanitary or Allergen (or maybe Heavy Duty at max soil level) with an onboard heater. |
Post# 944250 , Reply# 32   6/19/2017 at 13:56 (2,474 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)   |   | |
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I am sorry for the laundry troubles, but I am so glad to see this thread.
I recently switched from a Miele W3038 washer to a LG WM3997 and I was thinking its all in my head, but my laundry is not as clean and doesn't feel the same as laundry from my Miele. For both machines, I use liquid persil on for the pre-wash, and then either miele color or white powder for the main wash. I programmed the Miele to do two extra rinses, on the LG I always select two extra rinses. I also select turbo wash so I get the added spray. If I wash Polyester polos or slacks, on both machines, it was always a warm wash with a medium spin. On the Miele I always used a custom cycle with sanitize for my bedding, towels, rags and anything unusually grungy. The LG, I will just usually use hot, the sanitize cycle adds way too much time and it just seems off from the Miele sanitize cycle (the times I've used it didn't seem to help). Also, one difference with my laundry now is that the Miele's were on the third floor. The LG is right next to my hot water heater and directly connected to the hot line out so it has instant hot water. I don't have a lot of variation in my day to day routine. I typically have the same food spills, the same oil / grease / sweat on my clothes and my stuff just doesn't feel or seem clean like it did from the Miele units. I never had spots left over on my laundry from the Miele and my collars were always clean. Collars are an off color now. Since I've started using the LG, I've bought more socks and underwear. I thought it was just a coincidence. Also, my high thread count cotton sheets don't have that same feel to them like they did from Miele. They feel heavier. I've been needing to do my pillows, but I am not sure if I am going to be happy with the results. I was thinking I'd use sanitize and steam on them just to see if I can get the entire pillow clean. I haven't done my down comforter in the LG either. Anyways, I just thought I'd say something since I was thinking it was all just a mind issue until I came across this thread. Good luck! |
Post# 944253 , Reply# 33   6/19/2017 at 14:26 (2,474 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 944269 , Reply# 34   6/19/2017 at 15:59 (2,474 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)   |   | |
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I was thinking that, but I tried without turbo wash for the first few loads, it doesn't put as much water in the tub then. Also, some stuff felt a lot dryer than when I use the turbo wash, so that tells me things aren't getting as saturated.
The physical debris/hair etc is removed better with the turbowash. I should mention that when I use the turbowash, I do increase the soil level so it makes up for the wash time that it cuts using turbowash. Most all of the cycles I do are around the 1:30 mark. |
Post# 944629 , Reply# 39   6/22/2017 at 06:52 (2,471 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Lack of sufficient detergent contributes to more fabric wear. Also, additional rinsing beyond the scope of what is needed can contribute to fabric wear. The water stingy FL machines today aren't as gentle as the models offered 25+ years ago. Add to that the cycles have doubled or tripled in length. Malcolm |
Post# 944742 , Reply# 46   6/22/2017 at 20:24 (2,471 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)   |   | |
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Buy the electronic model for greater washing flexibility cycle wise and a 5 year warranty as well. Mike |
Post# 944775 , Reply# 49   6/22/2017 at 23:30 (2,471 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)   |   | |
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Post# 944805 , Reply# 50   6/23/2017 at 07:28 (2,470 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)   |   | |
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I admire the way Miele endeavours to ensure that every machine they produce is on tip-top form. Based on that video, I want a Miele. Perhaps one day... |
Post# 944828 , Reply# 51   6/23/2017 at 09:38 (2,470 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)   |   | |
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Post# 944874 , Reply# 53   6/23/2017 at 15:36 (2,470 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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I agree with the point about the prices of Miele appliances. Miele appliances are a bit pricier than other brands overhere in Europe, but they don't cost an arm and a leg. Apart from the high prices, I would be concerned about parts availability in the long run. It's the same with American products on the European market. That's why I would never buy American appliances for every day use.
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Post# 944980 , Reply# 56   6/24/2017 at 06:55 (2,469 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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After reading this thread again I think there are a few problems here that should be addressed first before you buy a new machine.
1. Use enough detergent, not just a bit. It looks like you're afraid of using enough. 2. Small loads. A small load in a machine with a big drum, gets a lot of stress. Fill the drum up to capacity and the laundry doesn't get as much as a beating than it gets now. If your washing machine adjusts the length of the cycle by the amount of laundry it is washing, you might get a longer cycle, but that wouldn't harm the laundry less than being beaten around in a large drum with a few items. 3. Higher temperatures. Everything you wear on your body can be washed at 105 degrees Fahrenheit. Otherwise these clothes would already shrink on your body. Temperatures in your dryer might be even higher anyway. The combination of a decent detergent (again powder!) and a high enough temperature will remove odors much better than the method you used in the past. |
Post# 945124 , Reply# 60   6/25/2017 at 00:16 (2,469 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 945131 , Reply# 62   6/25/2017 at 02:27 (2,469 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 945353 , Reply# 65   6/26/2017 at 07:17 (2,467 days old) by Aquarius1984 (Planet earth)   |   | |
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Your putting such small amounts of cotton clothing into a machine which should hold four or five times as much. No wonder your having wear issues. Cotton loads should be filled up to the top of the drum but not really packed in.
The odd half load is fine if you need something but your asking a machine to constantly wash chronically under loaded cycles then blaming the machine. |
Post# 945358 , Reply# 66   6/26/2017 at 08:27 (2,467 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 945368 , Reply# 68   6/26/2017 at 10:11 (2,467 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Lightened copy of Dreamclean's pic for a better view of the load.
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Post# 945526 , Reply# 79   6/27/2017 at 06:14 (2,466 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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I'm still puzzled by the fact that single people buy such über capacity frontloaders if they do only small loads, but that's perhaps a subject for a different thread.
I hope the Sidekick gives you the solution to your problems. BTW, do you get a stream of suds running down the window like in the videos too? |
Post# 945531 , Reply# 80   6/27/2017 at 07:18 (2,466 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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We used an Asko all these years for the two of us...with king sized beds and quilts, lots of towels, my uniforms, 4 cats, and quilted sofa covers. Everything fit fine. I tried one of those big machines and ended up returning it...too darned big and couldn't balance correctly. The Miele w1986 is a little larger than the Asko was but still considered compact. Plenty big inside. I actually use extended cycles on most of my loads and have zero issues with pilling. |
Post# 945814 , Reply# 86   6/29/2017 at 04:40 (2,464 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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First, are you sure the tear happened in the washer and not the dryer?
Second, when you heavily load one of the uber sized washers, the wash tub can settle slightly and create a pinch point where clothing can get caught. As tumbling continues, damage will certainly result. So, you may have some play in the spider mount or in the bearing housing. Malcolm |
Post# 945922 , Reply# 90   6/29/2017 at 22:55 (2,464 days old) by Dreamclean (Portland)   |   | |
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Yeah, having a serious case of cognitive dissonance since I'm used being able to fix things. 🤞 |
Post# 945923 , Reply# 91   6/29/2017 at 22:57 (2,464 days old) by Dreamclean (Portland)   |   | |
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Post# 948457 , Reply# 94   7/16/2017 at 12:36 (2,447 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Yes, apparently you can't get the machine work for you in a way that it satisfy you. Perhaps indeed better to try something else.
One thing though. Washing linen sheets in only cold water? On this side of the pond linen sheets were always boil washed. If they can't handle warm water, you'd better sleep not between them too, they might shrink on the bed from the exposure to body temperature. IMHO, sheets need to be at least washed in warm water to remove body fat and odors thoroughly. |
Post# 948487 , Reply# 96   7/16/2017 at 18:22 (2,447 days old) by Dreamclean (Portland)   |   | |
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It may be fine to boil wash linen sheets but the elastic on the fitted sheet will lose its properties and deteriorate...Washing separately a bit impractical. |
Post# 948490 , Reply# 97   7/16/2017 at 19:15 (2,447 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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One doesn't have to adhere to the cold and boiling extremes of the temperature scale. There's also warm (which tends to be akin to a summer swimming pool on these HE, dumbed-down washers nowadays) and hot (which is akin to what warm was in the olden days). I recently bought an expensive 100% cotton mattress pad and set of sheets. The laundering instructions state wash in cold water. I refuse to do that. I have oily skin and hair and my head sometimes sweats during sleep. I've found that washing sheets and pillow cases at less than a "strong warm" temperature (112°F+) causes discoloration/yellowing/darkening due to unshifted oils and sebum. I contacted the vendor of the sheets. Their reply: "For the care instructions, it is recommended to wash them as instructed for the longevity of the sheets and mattress pad. However, you are welcome to wash your sheets to your preference." I've been washing them to "my preference" and have not observed any ill effects. |
Post# 948524 , Reply# 100   7/17/2017 at 00:09 (2,447 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)   |   | |
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I'm sorry you've been having problems with your LG's. I wish I could offer you some creative solutions but you seem to have really thought of every variable.
I'm actually the guy (David Lee) that asked Consumer Reports to start testing rinsing performance of washers and have been eagerly awaiting them to post results. Frankly I'm surprised this hasn't been part of normal testing for both washing machines and detergents. These new washers use less and less water and many don't even spin between rinses, how can they expect laundry to be rinsed properly? And detergents seem harder to rinse out, especially Persil. |
Post# 948643 , Reply# 106   7/17/2017 at 17:33 (2,446 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)   |   | |
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Post# 948701 , Reply# 109   7/17/2017 at 22:41 (2,446 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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The About Us page says it all...And he's the founder of this site? Jon?
I have not been around here since the start of the site, but my understanding is that the person who started this website was Robert/Unimatic1140. He is the webmaster, and the person who does the coding now, at least.
But there were apparently very early members here, and there was some history before this site on (IIRC) some Yahoo group. Either of which might easily include the Jon behind Rosalie's. |
Post# 948707 , Reply# 111   7/17/2017 at 23:36 (2,446 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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Sure, it's partly cultural, Americans associate clean with suds.
Yes.
I've heard that at least some early versions of laundry detergents (including IIRC Tide) were low sudsing. But they didn't sell well because people expected to see suds. So...there was reformulation just to add suds.
Indeed, I remember hearing someone in my family--who had a science background--even talk about suds being unnecessary except for marketing.
What I can't understand now is why modern detergents continue to be so sudsy. OK, maybe there is a vision of providing a top load detergent for Grandma, who using the top load washer she bought in 1957... But front load washers have long since moved from novelty to routine appliance...and yet the detergents often seem to act like: it's still 1950, and we need to convince people detergent is good as soap!
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Post# 948712 , Reply# 113   7/18/2017 at 00:04 (2,446 days old) by Dreamclean (Portland)   |   | |
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Post# 948726 , Reply# 114   7/18/2017 at 03:48 (2,446 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 948792 , Reply# 116   7/18/2017 at 13:59 (2,445 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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I tried Method within the last 5 years or so. Target had small sample bottles (5 loads or whatever). I can't recall any complaints with clothes, but I did have issue with some sort of weird, slick feeling buildup on the washer tub. I can't say it was Method's fault...but the timing does suggest that Method was at least a cause. The problem went away with using other detergents. |
Post# 948816 , Reply# 118   7/18/2017 at 16:06 (2,445 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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Ah, the "fun" of rewashing!
I've had to do that. The most memorable time was with some Tide sample (about 10 years ago) that left an incredibly strong scent on the laundry. It was so oppressive that I ended up rewashing a good chunk of the load for no other reason than getting rid of the Tide smell. |
Post# 948821 , Reply# 119   7/18/2017 at 16:25 (2,445 days old) by Dreamclean (Portland)   |   | |
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That too, Method's synthesized version of ozone-- "Fresh Air"--gives me a headache. Ironically I don't mind it as much as the stench of anything the clothes come in contact with, like food. At least the headache goes away after a while. |
Post# 948826 , Reply# 120   7/18/2017 at 17:06 (2,445 days old) by Dreamclean (Portland)   |   | |
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Glad you mentioned it, just checked the tub and sure enough it's covered in a white residue that was definately not there before. It came off on my fingers so running Tub Clean w Affresh. |
Post# 948841 , Reply# 121   7/18/2017 at 18:48 (2,445 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit)   |   | |
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Post# 948845 , Reply# 122   7/18/2017 at 19:34 (2,445 days old) by Dreamclean (Portland)   |   | |
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Might come in handy one day. |