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Post# 944118 , Reply# 1   6/18/2017 at 14:00 (2,474 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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Your sing'n my song Cole! On top of all you said above, what really gets my goat is when these malcontents enter a beautiful, vintage Crafstman and their first reaction it to begin ripping out walls so they can achieve the much sought after "open concept". Or the beautifully preserved vintage bathrooms are immediately pronounced to be "dated" and must undergo a complete gut job. Or the pristine, original hardwood floors aren't the ubiquitous dark finish, so they rip them out and replace then with that crappy new engineered hardwood flooring. Now I get it, if you buy the house you can do whatever you want with it, but why buy a beautiful vintage home and proceed to make it something else?
I guess I'm just hopelessly old fashioned and practical, but if it ain't broke I say don't fix it. I think its nice to appreciate old homes and preserve them if possible. Eddie This post was last edited 06/18/2017 at 14:50 |
Post# 944139 , Reply# 3   6/18/2017 at 16:32 (2,474 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)   |   | |
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There are several different questions in he original post. To answer one of them, yes, these shows are following a script, or at least a template. They're selling a fantasy of a dream house for the typical viewer. There's no drama in buying an existing house and saying it doesn't need any changes.
You notice they always run into some unexpected problem or problems that have to be overcome by the ingenuity of the program's host. Of course, the problem is overcome quickly after the commercial break. They never seem to have any problems with contractors who don't show up or who do unacceptable work, either, which are two of the biggest pitfalls of remodeling. Whether the changes are improvements or not (I don't care for granite countertops, for instance) is a matter of personal preference, but it's pretty clear that the average viewer likes the stuff they're doing. Otherwise they wouldn't keep watching. |
Post# 944141 , Reply# 4   6/18/2017 at 16:42 (2,474 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)   |   | |
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"No TV show showing sane people will get the ratings that some of the crappy drama laden shows get." Honey Boo-Boo Kardashians Housewives of... et cetera, ad nauseum. Amen Paulo. Chuck |
Post# 944168 , Reply# 5   6/18/2017 at 22:25 (2,474 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )   |   | |
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I seldom if ever watch those shows anymore because of it all. Cue the "dated" commentaries and the cutting and editing to make it appear the job is done in a minimal of time. And then when they compare the previous pre remodelling price to the what the house is worth now is a crock as well.. because you know darn well the home owners weren't paying the true retail / labor prices you or I would be paying. Leaving little or no profit at all. Interestingly a house a few doors up for us was going on the market "as is" and pretty much original late 50's and a bargain price for the street. It's been beautifully maintained inside and out. One of my neighbors is commenting how it won't sell because it's so dated. Really? It will sell in a flash.. there are probably hundreds of people out there who would love to buy that house as is and at that price and slowly fashion it to their own tastes and who otherwise won't be able to afford it once any pricey reno's are done. |
Post# 944182 , Reply# 7   6/19/2017 at 01:20 (2,474 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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I sort of lost interest in the ersatz reality home makeover shows after "Trading Spaces" featured an idiotic interior designer who hot glued bits of sharp broken colored glass to the fireplace screen in the living room of a classic Craftsman bungalow in Oakland, CA.
When the owners came back and saw this, they were shocked - they had little kids who likely would have cut themselves while inspecting the handiwork. In fact I can't generally stand any so-called "reality" shows. They are all staged for maximum shock effect to try to generate ratings. I doubt little of what occurs in the finished show is actually "real". |
Post# 944204 , Reply# 9   6/19/2017 at 07:34 (2,474 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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just like Designer jeans, Designer shows will disappear.....anything 'Designer' has always proven to be a fad....
I do miss the days of shows like Lynette Jennings, simple home projects anyone can accomplish, thoughts and ideas to improve or spice up what you already have, and make paradise where ever you live..... I also guess there are different descriptions for "Going Green".....sprucing up, repurposing, are my ideas of going green.... ripping out perfect working fixtures, appliances, woodwork, etc.....tossing into a landfill, only to install new products supplied from precious resources, is not going green, its more along the lines of destruction of the planet...especially if its not necessary.... |
Post# 944211 , Reply# 10   6/19/2017 at 09:18 (2,474 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL)   |   | |
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I do not have a television, so I don't see these shows. However, last month I was out of town for several days and naturally my hotel room had a flat-panel tv and offered all these shows, so I watched for the nights that I was there. One show featured a husband and wife team who would show potential homes to buyers and suggest alterations and then after the buyer made his/her decision the remodeling would begin. I was amazed at regardless of the style, age, size, etc. of the house the potential was always the same: take down walls in the living spaces, create an island between the kitchen and eating space, line up the appliances beyond with more storage. Pretty much cookie cutter solution over and over. After a few episodes I did lose my interest in the show.
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Post# 944214 , Reply# 11   6/19/2017 at 09:29 (2,474 days old) by ken (NYS)   |   | |
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I cant recall one time in watching any of these house makeover shows when the prospective buyer(s) stated they liked separate rooms. All you ever here is "open concept". The first floor has to be one big open room. To each his own but I prefer a separation of rooms. Having that open kitchen/dining/living area treatment always gives me the feeling you're cooking in your living room.
Of all the shows I don't hate Fixer Upper with Chip and Joanna Gaines and will watch it if I come across it. They seem like down-to-earth, unpretentious people. I like most of Joanna's styling ideas. The homes on the show tend to be towards modest and reasonably priced. I think it being based in a medium sized city in TX has a lot to do with it. They haven't gone "Hollywood". I did read a while back that the furniture used in completing the house isn't included but available to the new owners for purchase if they want it. At the time of the reveal to the new owners I have heard them mention six-seven weeks have passed since first looking at the home before purchase. So it that respect they aren't trying to make it seem as only two weeks have gone by during the renovation. *Lawrence: Sounds like you're referring to Chip and Joanna Gaines who I mentioned above. In that respect that show is like all the others with the new owners wanting an "open concept". The designers have to follow what the owners want or they wouldn't have any clients. ** Remember when HGTV channel used to have shows concerning little projects to update a room? The History channel used to have shows about history? The Learning Channel and Discovery used to have shows that were actually educational? All the channels have gone reality and are next to not worth watching IMO. This post was last edited 06/19/2017 at 10:12 |
Post# 944224 , Reply# 12   6/19/2017 at 10:28 (2,474 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 944245 , Reply# 13   6/19/2017 at 13:11 (2,474 days old) by Revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Because the way I see it, once the remodel is done, it is NO LONGER a concept!
One thing you should remember about all these shows that go into these older homes to remodel / update them is, the vast majority of the public don't want or care about preserving ANY 1940's, 50's or '60's (+/-) vintage home. They only want remodeled, updated and modern. Also, these people who buy properties ONLY to update / remodel them in order to sell them, don't give a sh*t about anything vintage, whether it's in good condition, valuable or not. It's all trash to them and time is money.
I must preface the following comments by saying, while I have watched and enjoyed certain shows (Love it or List it and a couple others), I have completely lost interest the vast majority of these "remodel" shows for a number of reasons, but my other half cannot get enough of them. GAG!
RE: remodeling costs. The show "Flip or Flop" in So Cal. is a perfect example of "no link to reality" in regards to what they say it costs to remodel various rooms. $3K for a bathroom, or $5K to $8K for a kitchen? Especially when they completely gut it AND with the materials they use?? Laughable! The producers must be smoking something really good, because the dollar amounts they "say" it costs has no connection to reality at all!
Also, the blond bimbo in the Las Vegas version of "Flip or Flop" designs everything to HER tastes (at least in the one episode I watched), rather than what would appeal to the majority of buyers as she SHOULD be doing. Like a pink sliding barn door in the living room? Purple bathroom and a pink ceiling and wall in the master bedroom, REALLY???
RE: Fixer upper with Chip & Joanna Gaines. While I also like the persona of the two and how the show flows, "spoiler alert", it's all fake! They pretend to show the buyers 3 different homes and that buyer chooses one to remodel. However, the buyers have already purchased that house that they remodel. Also, the design, all furnishings and other things tied to the remodel is all through Joanna Gaines shops, stores and other companies, it's all about her. See the link below. One last thing: the show is ending, this is their last season.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO Revvinkevin's LINK This post was last edited 06/19/2017 at 17:01 |
Post# 944297 , Reply# 14   6/19/2017 at 20:09 (2,473 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Post# 944326 , Reply# 16   6/20/2017 at 01:16 (2,473 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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I remember one flat we lived in SF in the '60's had a phone alcove in the hallway. I thought it was a nice touch, and a standard phone fit there perfectly. I don't recall any shelf under it for a phone book, though.
This '41 house I'm in now has no phone alcove. It does have a recess in the entry hallway for dual chimes for the doorbell. There's a wall jack for a wall phone in the kitchen, though. Generally I'm in favor of leaving such period touches in place. |
Post# 944329 , Reply# 17   6/20/2017 at 02:33 (2,473 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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Phone alcoves in older buildings-yes,just leave them there and use them-a modern phone will work there just fine!You may have to find a nearby outlet to power the modern phone since most of those need power to work. |
Post# 944956 , Reply# 20   6/24/2017 at 00:47 (2,469 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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Good points about the open plans being a fire hazard--I too like ROOMS-esp the kitchen being on its own-who wants the heat,smells,and sight of dirty dishes within eyeshot of guests? |
Post# 944959 , Reply# 21   6/24/2017 at 01:14 (2,469 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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Me too! I want a separate kitchen complete with swinging door opening into a dining room. Heck, I've considered having the kitchen separated from the house...at least by a breezeway or screened porch...that way when I turn the vent hood on high it won't suck out all the heat or AC from the rest of the house. I want a library/music room I can stick my grand piano in and close the door when I want to play. I want a laundry ROOM instead of a closet. If we ever build a house it will have rooms, none of this open floorplan crap. |