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Thread Number: 71395
/ Tag: Detergents and Additives
New Persil launch "once in a decade break throuh" |
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| Post# 944683 6/22/2017 at 15:00 (2,493 days old) by golittlesport (California) | ||
Just read this on Google News...not a liquid, not a powder....lentil-shaped "power gems." Wonder if this will make it to the states?
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| Post# 944689 , Reply# 1 6/22/2017 at 16:06 (2,493 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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| Post# 944710 , Reply# 2 6/22/2017 at 18:02 (2,493 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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Yuck! "... and new technology that allows fragrance molecules to cling to fabric throughout the wash." I can imagine that the products will have an overpoweringly vile, cloying scent, which will linger to the point of distraction. | ||
| Post# 944711 , Reply# 3 6/22/2017 at 18:36 (2,493 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Post# 944791 , Reply# 4 6/23/2017 at 02:23 (2,492 days old) by Launderess  (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Just rubbished a few bottles of Tide liquid as could no longer abide the scents.
One was Tide with a "touch" of Downy in Clean Breeze scent. Did a load last week and noticed after line drying the scent still packed whiff. After folding noticed one's hands reeked of the same scent. Put on some clothing a few days later washed in same, and noticed later when changing that same scent was all over one's body skin. In short every thing that was touched by laundry washed in that Tide had scent rubbed off upon it. That was it for me, so out the stuff went, along with bottle of "Colourguard" and something else which cannot recall. Happily these were gifted from trips to the laundromat so am not out good money. | ||
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Post# 944802 , Reply# 5 6/23/2017 at 06:03 (2,492 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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 Interesting. The 'power gems' look a bit like the Downy Unstoppables pellets. I used to use UK (Unilever) Persil bio powder. It was a great cleaner and I liked the straightforward, fairly unobtrusive scent. Eventually, the cost of importing it became prohibitive, considering Tide With Bleach Alternative was its match for cleaning at a fraction of the cost. Tide, of course, doesn't rinse out as well in soft water.
Aside: Bit the bullet and ordered a couple of jugs of Perwoll Dark Intensive from Amazon. It's become very expensive, but it keeps blacks black through quite a few washes. Had switched to the more economical/easily-found Woolite For Dark Colors, but found black clothes went dusty/grey quickly. | ||
| Post# 945378 , Reply# 7 6/26/2017 at 11:30 (2,489 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
I'm currently awaiting delivery of this - it's Unilever's zero scent brand.
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| Post# 945380 , Reply# 8 6/26/2017 at 11:48 (2,489 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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Unilever's "Neutral 0%" Thanks for that! Please do tell us how it performs. Squinting at the enlarged pics on their website, the powder seems to have four enzymes: protease, lipase, amylase and mannanase. In other words, like Persil, but minus the stench. | ||
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Post# 946327 , Reply# 9 7/2/2017 at 08:49 (2,483 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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Ingredients list is out now and confirms what I expected those Power Gems to be, they are more or less what they look like - Megaperls run over by a truck ;-)
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Post# 946343 , Reply# 11 7/2/2017 at 10:16 (2,483 days old) by aamassther (Hendersonville, NC ) |
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"Ingredients list is out now and confirms what I expected those Power Gems to be, they are more or less what they look like - Megaperls run over by a truck ;-) "
There's one key difference though, neither formula has any bleach. It looks chock full of OBA's, to me, precluding it from being useful on colours. Though it does have 4 enzymes. I'll probably still try to score some from Amazon if someone imports it, lol. | ||
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Post# 946346 , Reply# 12 7/2/2017 at 10:49 (2,483 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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Post# 946474 , Reply# 16 7/3/2017 at 05:50 (2,482 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Daily Fail Says
Looks interesting enough one supposes:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-... Thing is P&G, Henkel, Unilever, et al all are facing the same issues; the laundry detergent market is mature and quite saturated. Worse consumers are finding out they don't need to spend on top shelf brand names when many others products will do the job just as well for less. Of course we've seen this before, and anyone who has studied marketing and sales knows the drill. Mature products like toothpaste, toilet tissue, washing powder, and a host of other things have pretty much reached the state of the art when it comes to innovation. That is they all pretty much do what they are supposed more or less, though some do it better than others. Enter this or that "new" feature that is supposed to make one product stand above the others. It is amazing to one that there are shelves upon shelves of say toothpaste on shop shelves. They all do basically same thing and leaving aside taste and some other personal preferences there isn't that much difference between. Yet some cost $$$, others, $$ and still more just $. Same thing with laundry detergents. When consumer testing groups in all countries round them up it is surprising that often the so called "bargain brands" do a respectable enough to quite good job. In the past decade or so we've had tablets, ultra concentrated, mega perls, concentrated liquids, gels, various pods, packs or whatever; now we've got detergent that looks like bits of candy. As for Unilever's claim there new product uses less chemicals that is hard to credit. That little list from link above made the Doomsday book look like a raffle ticket. | ||
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Post# 946475 , Reply# 17 7/3/2017 at 05:52 (2,482 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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No Bleach...
Think this new product may be Unilever's nod to the fact so much in terms of household textiles and personal apparel is colors and or cannot be routinely bleached with the activated systems of old found in most EU detergents.
Am not that worried as have no doubt that Unilever will release some sort of stain "booster" to go with this new detergent that is heavy on bleach. | ||
| Post# 946551 , Reply# 18 7/3/2017 at 14:24 (2,482 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
 I have speculated that one reason for heavy scents is to cover up the fact that the "energy saving cold wash" has limited effectiveness.
In any case, I have come to a point of hating scents. I moved to using unscented in summer when I dry outside so the only scent would be the fresh outdoor scent. But I've come to a point of using unscented during dryer season simply because I've gotten tired of the often overly strong scents.
I used a bottle of Wisk during last winter. I got it because A) I was curious given that some here really like it, and B) it was cheap that day. It was OK as a detergent--although I don't think it was the greatest I've ever used--but I really didn't like the scent. I was able to stand it on clothes, but that was that. I had a small supply of unscented still that I used for some loads like sheets. | ||
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Post# 946584 , Reply# 20 7/3/2017 at 19:00 (2,482 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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While historically the use of strong scents/perfumes
Was used to cover up appalling B.O., this was mainly from other eras when personal hygiene meant bathing was something that occurred infrequently or not at all.
Europeans bathe as much as anyone else in the world, and that hold canard about French or others roaming around with a pong is getting old. Being as this may what many do not subscribe to is the idea of dousing themselves with chemicals meant to prevent perspiration. Sweat is a perfectly normal biological function meant to rid the body of wastes in addition to cooling. You wouldn't want to stop the process of voiding liquid or solid waste would you? Got on a NYC bus several days ago. At the back was sitting a group of several African young men. Could tell they were from that continent by the patios being spoken amongst themselves. They were all clean, well dressed and so forth; but the entire bus had a pong you wouldn't believe. Rather put on in mind of what the Black Stars locker room must smell like.... This was one of the newer NYC buses that are quite large vehicles, really two buses joined together, and had only a small number of passengers. Worse it being summer all windows were closed and the AC was running. So that pong was recycled inside that closed container of a bus... Living in a place with a vast and growing homeless population am well acquainted with the scent of those who have not bathed in weeks (or years....) versus that of simple "sweat". Upshot of all this palaver is that powerfully scented laundry or other products have nothing to do with covering up body odor, but simply are a result of makers following what marketing research tells them consumers want. First time went to France on one's own and went shopping at Ed's was quite bowled over in the laundry product section. Shelf after shelf full of detergents and whatever that packed a powerful smell. This was some time ago now and things really have only gotten worse IMHO. Many Americans who have moved and or otherwise living in France have noticed same: www.davidlebovitz.com/the-notsosw... On this side of the pond the largest and fastest growing consumer demographic is Latino-Hispanic market. That group seems to prefer *very* strongly scented laundry and other cleaning products. | ||
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Post# 946629 , Reply# 21 7/4/2017 at 04:01 (2,481 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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Yes, right a larger quantity of the zeolithes seems to be replaced with EDTA (Tetrasodium Etidronate). That means less insoluble stuff is used which is probably very desirable for most consumers. Considering how toxic the stuff is for humans and the environment Henkel`s slogan "Quality and Responsibility" appears in a new light for me now.
Where did you find the dosing instructions and the data of ingredients in percent ? Using less than half of the product (by volume?) compared to existing super concentrated powders is indeed groundbreaking. When I was the first time of my life in Paris riding the Metro I was flabbergasted at the amount of perfume or cologne everybody has put on. Most Parisians could easily fill an entire cabin with scent. As a perfume lover I could even tell who is wearing what sometimes. Always put a big smile on my face. I think it`s an adorable twist in French culture and I hope it will stay as it is. Americans seem to have a week spot for dryer sheets instead of perfume or cologne. At least that`s my impression as an outsider. I like that too. I hope there won`t be such an intolerant witch hunt again as we`ve had against smokers. | ||
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Post# 946639 , Reply# 22 7/4/2017 at 05:25 (2,481 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Dryer sheets
Took off in the USA because top loading automatics were the dominate type of washing machine. Unless your machine had a fabric softener dispenser (many did not), one had to either rush to machine in order to catch the rinse, or reset the washer for another cycle in order to use liquid fabric softener.
When Cling Free and Bounce were introduced their main marketing ploy was about convenience. Now Madame (or anyone else doing the wash) didn't have to deal with her washer's rinse cycle. Not to be out done; number one liquid fabric softener at that time (Downy by P&G) countered dryer sheets with advertising saying that unlike those products that "softened here and there" (meaning wherever the sheet landed during tumble drying), Downy softened the entire load; "Downy goes wherever water goes...". P&G did introduce a Donwy dryer sheet (have some in my stash), but it didn't last long IIRC. As for "weak spot" regarding dryer sheets, I don't know... Have seen persons use a scented detergent, add those "unstoppables" and then toss one, two or more dryer sheets into machine with same load. | ||
| Post# 946654 , Reply# 23 7/4/2017 at 08:19 (2,481 days old) by Aquarius1984 (Planet earth) | ||
I've spent 3 days washing varied loads in these.
I dislike the lack of bleach. Persil confirmed on the phone these variants are not suitable for whites. Low water using machines can cause the gems to stick on the door boot which I have found will happen. They suds up on towels a lot despite containing no soap. However they rinse out well bar the door boot issue. Not worth the money over regular powder by any means. I've tried but I won't buy again in a hurry. The fragrance is very subtle on washed loads, just a light fresh scent. Nothing over powering at all.
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| Post# 946676 , Reply# 24 7/4/2017 at 11:43 (2,481 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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Thanks for the consumer test. Are they suitable to dose via the powder drawer? | ||
| Post# 946677 , Reply# 25 7/4/2017 at 11:57 (2,481 days old) by Aquarius1984 (Planet earth) | ||
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Post# 946709 , Reply# 28 7/4/2017 at 17:13 (2,481 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Previous comments not withstanding
Since this new product is designed to go into wash tub mayhaps lack of bleaching agents is a way to avoid possibility of textile damage.
Mega-Perls were meant to go into the dispenser and thus (hopefully) dissolve before coming into contact with wash. This new product that goes into tub/on top of washing combined with today's low to piddling water use machines could pose problems if they contained bleach. | ||
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Post# 946717 , Reply# 30 7/4/2017 at 18:47 (2,481 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Well the "problem" such as it tis comes from consumers for various reasons still wanting powders, thus forcing detergent manufactures to find ways that will satisfy that demand but also those of others.
Here in the USA at least "big box" powders of old (which usually if not always had large amounts of fillers) have given way to various "ultra" or compact versions. These formulas not only save in terms of transportation, stocking and other associated costs, but consumers don't need and environment is better off without all those fillers. In the 1990's detergent makers thought a return to the tablet format was the way to go. That didn't work out so well (again), and once again tabs were withdrawn from the market. So what next? While liquid, gels or whatever fluid format seems to have edged out powders, not everyone is thrilled. IIRC it was the German consumer testing group that bemoaned the "polluting" aspects of some liquid/fluid detergents. Yes, commercial laundry detergent powders still come in huge containers. However if you examine the recommended dosages often it is a few to several ounces/grams for 100lbs of wash. That is pretty powerful stuff. | ||
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Post# 946718 , Reply# 31 7/4/2017 at 18:49 (2,481 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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| Post# 946727 , Reply# 32 7/4/2017 at 20:10 (2,481 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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"...to be flushed out of that cap" That's what I liked about the Zanussi IZ machine. The pumped recirculating jet actually flushed dosing devices clear of detergent. (I was using Lever's soft, pliable Radion ball, with P&G's Ariel liquid, at the time). | ||
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Post# 946731 , Reply# 33 7/4/2017 at 20:37 (2,481 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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If one could open the machine and get our Lavamat's recirculation spray to aim inside cap and flush detergent out, would be right as rain. Sadly this isn't possible so am left with few options if want to use.
Sometimes will wait for machine to have filled with enough water but still not deactivated "Open Door" button, stop machine reach in and waggle the cap of detergent in water which has collected so far at bottom of tub. It is either this or take a bit of clothing or whatever and scoop product out. Needless to say that Ariel gel in Alpine Fresh scent rarely sees use in the AEG. It is all too much bother..... *LOL* | ||
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Post# 946741 , Reply# 36 7/4/2017 at 23:20 (2,480 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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In general unless going to be dispensed/used at once one should *NEVER* add tap water to dilute anything. Especially if it is to be left sitting.
All fluid products are made with preservatives to keep germ/mould and other nasty things at bay or count low enough not to cause harm. Tap water is NOT sterile and the use of it will introduce bacteria and all sorts into said product. Even in nursing/medicine when sterile water is introduced to make up a solution (under sterile conditions) the solution does not have an infinite "shelf life". Even worse whatever is lurking in that tap water may find nice things to feast and grow upon in product it has been introduced. | ||
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Post# 946753 , Reply# 39 7/5/2017 at 03:06 (2,480 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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Dixan, I don`t like insolubles like zeolithes as well so I switched to liquids a long time ago. Don`t miss the bleach as I can still add some H2O2 based stain remover when really needed. Whether EDTA is toxic or not is disputable, but as a matter of fact most of it won`t be removed in waste water treatment. However biodergadability in the environment is a very slow process and for the worst part it`ll leach out heavy metals from sediments before it finally breaks down.
I agree that zeolithes are kind of obsolete and have a bunch of disadvantages like being abrasive, they increase the amount of useless sludge in waste water treatment and their remaining dust in clothes is another problem. The fact that most powders decreased zeolithe content significantly stands only true for traditional big box powders but not for compact powders. According to our consumer testing group the main reason for this trend is the high costs of zeolites. It may also be worth mentioning that in the last test of powders compact Ariel for example did a brilliant job and the big box one failed compleately. All other compacts also did a better job than their traditional counterparts. This is probably not only the result of reduced amounts of zeolithes but still. Laundress, we`ve been told a lot in the past by our consumer group and the Bundesumweltamt (Environmental Agency) regarding what detergents we should use in terms of pollution and some opinions seem to have changed. They always preferred compacts over big box ones because traditional powders contain lots of salts like sodium sulfate as filler which may end up in ground water. Salt cannot be removed in waste water treatment and threatens our wells. I wonder why this isn`t a problem in the States where whole house water softeners are so commonplace. Liquids have been demonized for years mainly because of their very high surfactant content But apparently formulars have changed now and in terms of pollution haven`t heard anything negative about them anymore. | ||
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Post# 946760 , Reply# 41 7/5/2017 at 05:50 (2,480 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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German Testing
www.testberichte.de/a/waschmittel...
www.test.de/Colorwaschmittel-Ald... It is amazing that for both color and universal detergents Aldi beats or is just as good as Persil. Interesting that Lenor detergents rank nearly always dead last. | ||
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Post# 946761 , Reply# 42 7/5/2017 at 05:56 (2,480 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Have some German professional laundry detergent
In my stash made by Kreussler chemie. It is for colors so contains no bleach, but also has nil Zeolites. Am here to tell you the stuff is very concentrated but does an excellent job on all sort of laundry from dress shirts to bed/table linens. It also is one of the most clean rinsing detergents one has in our stash.
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Post# 946767 , Reply# 44 7/5/2017 at 07:06 (2,480 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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"It's strange how private label products are better than brands like Ariel or Persil."
Think much depends upon where these private label products are sourced. Dalli Werke and Kreussler Chemie aren't exactly poor companies producing cheap imitation products. IIRC one or both are where Miele turned for their private label laundry products. Now that Henkel has firmly taken Dial into hand it will be interesting to see if serious competition arises against P&G. Ever since Tide came onto the scene P&G has been the dominate laundry product producer in the USA. Tide simply is the top dog to take on. However the past recession exposed chinks in that armor as people discovered they can get decent enough to acceptable washing from less expensive products. Am not surprised Henkel killed off Wisk. Certain formulas of Wisk detergent ranked rather high in Consumer Reports testing in past, some coming quite near Tide. | ||
| Post# 946798 , Reply# 47 7/5/2017 at 11:47 (2,480 days old) by dixan (Europe) | ||
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Aside from the smell, McBride formulations are bad. Not good quality at all. And this is the largest private label manufacturer in Europe... I wonder why. | ||
| Post# 947190 , Reply# 49 7/8/2017 at 15:56 (2,477 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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"£11.00 for a 19 wash bottle" That price would really rankle with me. I wouldn't pay it. | ||
| Post# 947194 , Reply# 50 7/8/2017 at 17:08 (2,477 days old) by Aquarius1984 (Planet earth) | ||
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| Post# 947241 , Reply# 51 7/8/2017 at 23:35 (2,476 days old) by Michael (London /England) | ||
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Sorry..my mistake The bottle of power gems I bought was 30 wash...not 19 wash for £11.00. Still expensive, I know. I'm just doing a black wash with them, instead of using Surf black liquid...Hope it will be ok... | ||
| Post# 947365 , Reply# 54 7/9/2017 at 16:58 (2,476 days old) by Michael (London /England) | ||
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Interesting Rolls_rapide I have never tried their bio powder. I tried the colour powder one once and it turned to stone in the drawer...it actually took the smooth surface of the plastic off so I never used again!Do you have any issues with the bio powder or is it worth trying? Regards Michael | ||
| Post# 947492 , Reply# 56 7/10/2017 at 15:59 (2,475 days old) by Michael (London /England) | ||
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Totally agree I, too cannot stand the STENCH of Ariel!Years ago, it had a pleasant fresh smell and was an excellent powder...now, if a customer comes in the shop,i can tell that awful smell straight away! | ||
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Post# 947864 , Reply# 60 7/12/2017 at 16:29 (2,473 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Boil wash let you down
Well it would, wouldn't it? These new Persil "perls" or whatever do not contain bleaching agents, so the increased temperature to hot or even boiling isn't going to get one very far. Since it seems the product relies mainly upon enzymes, surfactants and whatever else besides bleach to shift soils/stains, hotter water temps probably are of limited to nil use.
Have used non bleach containing enzyme based laundry products to soak badly soiled things. Usually after overnight soaking most stains are gone totally or at least shifted well enough. Often what remains are either traces or marks with heavily pigmented matter such as red wine, currants, berries, tea, etc.. For that one must use bleach, nothing else will do. | ||
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Post# 947866 , Reply# 61 7/12/2017 at 16:38 (2,473 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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IMHO Nothing beats Persil non bio powder
In the whites wash ! Have tried a lot of products over the years but always go back to big box Persil. I believe the non bio has a higher bleach content which when washed higher than 50c temp makes every thing WHITE not bluey white like Daz or Ariel but proper white. I have a Miele W4449 which has a built in pump to dispense liquid detergent I have as yet to use it because according to the instructions I need a special container that sits on top of the washer .... Not happening as the dryer is there. So would anyone who may have or used to have a similar Miele to mine know if the pump is gravity fed or will it dispense from a tube in a bottle sat at the side ?
Thanking anyone who may know :)] Austin | ||
| Post# 947902 , Reply# 66 7/12/2017 at 20:55 (2,473 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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No oxygen bleach... ... leads to the question, how is one supposed to keep the machine clean and free of mould if the bleach isn't present? And whites will become dingy too. | ||
| Post# 947904 , Reply# 68 7/12/2017 at 21:04 (2,473 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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Oh well... ...if this trend keeps going, it looks as if Lidl's Formil will soon have no competition in the cleaning of whites. I didn't think it was possible, but P&G have dumbed down yet further, their bottom line powder. What's next, empty packets? | ||
| Post# 947905 , Reply# 69 7/12/2017 at 21:08 (2,473 days old) by liamy1 (-) | ||
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What's next, empty packets? Haha :) | ||
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Post# 947911 , Reply# 70 7/12/2017 at 22:20 (2,472 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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P&G, Henkel, and many others sell various "booster" laundry products that are nothing more than oxygen bleach (with or without activators)and enzymes along with perhaps others things.
So if one's wash isn't coming clean with these bleach free versions of Persil, Daz or whatever, said companies will likely recommend/steer one in that direction. Mind you this has been going on for some time now as liquids, gels and other fluid formats have edged out powdered laundry detergent. Again most it not all of those products do not contain bleach so.... | ||
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Post# 947917 , Reply# 72 7/12/2017 at 23:03 (2,472 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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P&G Sells Various Boosters Here Under The Tide Brand
Have to say quite fancy some of them:
tide.com/en-us/shop/type/laundry... www.amazon.com/Tide-Boost... www.thespruce.com/tide-boost-sta... www.amazon.com/Tide-Boost-Wash-B... Like them for doing laundry where one wants an activated bleaching system (good for hot or just warm wash), and or soaking in cold water; but don't want to deal with all the fillers such as Zeolites in Tide or other detergent powders. They are also good when using certain liquid detergents that are "free' of enzymes, dyes, etc.. such as Linen Wash. That stuff is good for cleaning linens but no so much at shifting stains, so.... | ||
| Post# 947923 , Reply# 74 7/13/2017 at 00:06 (2,472 days old) by liamy1 (-) | ||
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Tide Boosters Some of them seem to be like the Ariel "3d" stain pods we used to have. Linked below the Ariel version(s) - sorry it's just an image search as they're not made now. CLICK HERE TO GO TO liamy1's LINK | ||
| Post# 947924 , Reply# 75 7/13/2017 at 00:13 (2,472 days old) by liamy1 (-) | ||
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Paulo Yep, Ariel did a whole advertising campaign "close up clean" for that very thing. Basically saying, they look clean, but are they really? | ||
| Post# 947995 , Reply# 76 7/13/2017 at 07:35 (2,472 days old) by spoodles (Cheshire, UK) | ||
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They've actually made Daz into 2 separate products with one specifically for whites (with bleach) and the general use one without it. Whites & Colours is their new bleach-free product and Ultra Whites is basically the old one with a new name.
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| Post# 948003 , Reply# 77 7/13/2017 at 08:15 (2,472 days old) by michael (London /England) | ||
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All good with big box Persil bio I re washed everything with Persil bio powder on cottons 60 with prewash...everythings spotless as i would expect..those gem pearls will keep for bedding... | ||
| Post# 948062 , Reply# 81 7/13/2017 at 18:22 (2,472 days old) by spoodles (Cheshire, UK) | ||
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liamy1 - You can now get Ariel Colour powder in 40 wash boxes. It seems to be one of a few new larger Ariel product sizes at Asda (along with 60 wash bottles of Colour liquid and 55 wash tubs of pods) but I guess it may turn up elsewhere in time too.
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| Post# 950126 , Reply# 85 7/26/2017 at 10:21 (2,459 days old) by MrAlex (London, UK) | ||
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