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Thread Number: 71443
/ Tag: Vintage Dishwashers
Kitchenaid Superba by Hobart - unknown year/model |
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Post# 945402 , Reply# 1 6/26/2017 at 15:19 (2,494 days old) by DADoES  (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 945406 , Reply# 3 6/26/2017 at 15:53 (2,494 days old) by misspriss (Arkansas) | ||
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It's a KDS-17. For some reason my phone won't upload the picture of the label to my computer to save my life.
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| Post# 945409 , Reply# 4 6/26/2017 at 16:09 (2,494 days old) by brucelucenta () | ||
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LMAO I love your description of how it sounds when it's running! | ||
| Post# 945410 , Reply# 5 6/26/2017 at 16:20 (2,494 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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Thats the way those sound. The pump begins to circulate immediately, so it pushes air with water through to the wash arms. As it fills with water, it sounds more like a dishwasher. | ||
| Post# 945411 , Reply# 6 6/26/2017 at 16:22 (2,494 days old) by bendixmark (Winchester Mass) | ||
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KDS-17 I just got one just like that same color only it is brand new never run. | ||
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Post# 945469 , Reply# 8 6/26/2017 at 21:36 (2,494 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay) |
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 I think your concerns about the top rack due to the single arm are valid. Any large items that obstruct the spray will compromise wash action on the top rack.
However, with average items on the bottom rack, this so-called "hurricane in a box" will clean top rack items fine. The trouble you're having with cleaning over all is due to the removal of phosphates from all automatic dishwasher detergents a few years ago. The cycles on your machine don't run long enough for the newer formulas of detergents to be effective.
The simple route would be to purchase restaurant grade dishwasher detergent or "boil out" products because they still contain phosphates. That would restore the cleaning ability of your machine. Hand wash the large pots, etc. that would block wash action and you won't have to pre-rinse the stuff for the top rack.
KitchenAid dishwashers from this period never rated well for their noise level, but considering the age of yours, there could be some components that have gotten noisy. Availability depends on what they are. Still, if it's currently drowning out the TV, replacement parts probably won't improve the situation enough to resolve that issue.
With a newer machine, you can use any decent dishwasher detergent in whatever form you like, and as long as you're not in any hurry, you'll have relative peace and quiet while watching TV.
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| Post# 945513 , Reply# 10 6/27/2017 at 04:20 (2,493 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Post# 945516 , Reply# 11 6/27/2017 at 05:15 (2,493 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR) |
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I have this machine
And I don't have these cleaning issues. I use the Cascade Complete powder in mine. However, there is not much you can do about the noise. You might use some Hot Water heater insulation or something like that to better wrap the tub and the lower panel but you'll likely not get it as quiet as the newer machines on the market. In order to wrap it you'd have to take it out and at that point you might as well replace it with the spare you have if that works better in your situation.
The issues you are having with cleaning could also be attributed to some condition that has reduced the water pressure in your machine. There are a few conditions that can contribute to this and parts are still available on eBay and other sources but it would take some patience to diagnose and resolve.
You mention moving in six months. If this spare machine is one you'd want to take with you to the new house you might as well live with this one a little longer. If the spare is one you'd be willing to leave in the house then you might as well swap it out now. The new owners of your house (unless it's someone like one of us) will likely rip it out and replace it with something new anyway.
Sounds like you have a busy life and the last thing you need to do is prewash dishes and pay extreme attention to how you load the machine. Good luck with your decision. Someone here may be interested in your machine. If I had room I would be interested in it, but we are about to put our house on the market and I have to purge. My other half would strangle me if I can home with another machine at this point in time. | ||
| Post# 945527 , Reply# 12 6/27/2017 at 06:30 (2,493 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
These are great machines! But yes, they are very loud. I have an 85 Hobart and I did add some insulation to it to quiet it down. Still not as quiet as the Whirlpool Hobart design machines, but they added a rubber coating to the entire outside of the tub to help with noise. That's something I really don't want to take on LOL.
Modern detergents work fine, don't let anyone tell you non-phosphate detergents don't work. I find though that in these older dishwashers using powder is imperative and adding some phosphate does seem to make the machine happier. I use the Cascade Fryer Boil Out with phosphates and my machine has been working great every since. Before it would groan some when I used the detergent packs. Too many suds, those are designed for newer machines with longer wash cycles. But like always use what you like. I upgraded my machine with stainless steel panels to give it kind of a modern retro look. It was also a very low usage machine so it's very clean. Personally I wouldn't use an old heavily used dishwasher. Just grosses me out. | ||
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Post# 945542 , Reply# 14 6/27/2017 at 08:39 (2,493 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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My family had a KDI-17, middle-of-the-line model compared to your KDS being top-of-line. We loaded it to the gills and rarely had any cleaning failures. Probably there's an issue that's causing your problem(s). Have you checked the spray arm for clogs? It lifts straight up off the pump. The filter screen can then be removed for cleaning/examination. Water fill level possibly low? | ||
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Post# 945737 , Reply# 16 6/28/2017 at 13:56 (2,492 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 945743 , Reply# 17 6/28/2017 at 14:51 (2,492 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City) |
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Post# 945746 , Reply# 18 6/28/2017 at 15:59 (2,492 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay) |
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@mercury | ||
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Post# 946573 , Reply# 20 7/3/2017 at 17:20 (2,487 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Washing problems With A KDS-17
Check to be sure the machine is filling with enough water, if you open the door during a wash or rinse you should have water up to about the top of the filter.
If you are not sure if it is getting enough water open the door after it has filled for wash or rinse and add one gallon of hot water, if the sound of the machine changes to a steadier sound you probably have a bad inlet valve. A bad inlet valve is one of the most common problems on an older DW like this. | ||
| Post# 947102 , Reply# 21 7/8/2017 at 06:28 (2,482 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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John...(or anyone who may know)
So last night when I ran my KDM-21 it filled weird. When I selected the cycle it started filling like normal but towards the end of the fill, the water slowed down to almost a trickle (I could still hear it going in). Normally it fills pretty forcefully then goes right into heat mode. Could this be the inlet valve? Do you have a part number by chance if it is...and is it easy to replace...like without removing the dishwasher.
Thanks! This post was last edited 07/08/2017 at 10:06 | ||
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