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Now that the Apex is found, What are the next Holy Grails?
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Post# 141296   7/10/2006 at 16:34 (6,471 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)        

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Now that the be-all, end-all penultimate classic washer has been found, along with several others this year already by other members of this venerable meeting space, what is YOUR ULTIMATE HOLY GRAIL FAVORITE WASHER TO BE FOUND?

Please indicate your ONE top choice:

Mine is the 1968-69 Frigidaire Custom Imperial variable speed "High Fashion" cabinet washer (and dryer).





Post# 141299 , Reply# 1   7/10/2006 at 16:39 (6,471 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Good topic, Peter!

I would have to say a solid-tub Norge washer.


Post# 141303 , Reply# 2   7/10/2006 at 17:13 (6,471 days old) by eddy1210 (Burnaby BC Canada)        

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Yes Peter, great topic. Greg, I would love a solid tub Norge too. (And we've got to talk soon about Maytags as well!) But I have to say my holy grail would be this Canadian built early 50's Beatty

Post# 141306 , Reply# 3   7/10/2006 at 17:23 (6,471 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Beatty

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Hi Eddy,
This looks like a nice machine. Is this a FL with top loading like the Launderall?
Peter


Post# 141315 , Reply# 4   7/10/2006 at 17:46 (6,471 days old) by angus (Fairfield, CT.)        

I would say for me a solid tub Norge Time Line or any Philco from '59 - '67

Post# 141317 , Reply# 5   7/10/2006 at 17:55 (6,471 days old) by jamman_98 (Columbia, SC)        
I would like....

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Fidigaire 1-18 washer with a window on top.

joe
jamman_98


Post# 141318 , Reply# 6   7/10/2006 at 18:04 (6,471 days old) by oldwasherguy (Ladson SC)        
my dream machine

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any make from the 1940s or 50s.Don

Post# 141320 , Reply# 7   7/10/2006 at 18:25 (6,470 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Servis MK41 UK Top Loader

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Produced 1966, named the "All Fabric Automatic"

With a Two Stage "Snap On" Agitator for a more vigorous wash action....60opm with 210d sweep...


Post# 141324 , Reply# 8   7/10/2006 at 18:40 (6,470 days old) by unimac104 ()        
early 70' s norge

i would like to find an early 70's norge.

Post# 141331 , Reply# 9   7/10/2006 at 19:02 (6,470 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
my dream machine...

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67-69 Whirlpool Imperial Mark XII 3 speed washer( with black bakelite Surgilator agitator) and matching 2 speed Dryer.

Rich



Post# 141333 , Reply# 10   7/10/2006 at 19:14 (6,470 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        
Mike--------

A Servis with "snap-on tools for more vigorous action"?
Ohhhh baby! Is that why the ad shows that lady waiting anxiously for the "repairman"?

Seriously----would love to see one of those gadgets----got a photo?

Best,
Steve


Post# 141334 , Reply# 11   7/10/2006 at 19:15 (6,470 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        
ANOTHER APEX OF COURSE!

Don't give up the search! If this one was out there--------there are others!

Post# 141360 , Reply# 12   7/10/2006 at 21:19 (6,470 days old) by hoover1060 ()        
no space yet, but when I have it...

A matched Maytag 806 set
A Frigidaire 1-18... well any GM frigidaire would be great
and maybe a belt drive black panel Kenmore


Post# 141361 , Reply# 13   7/10/2006 at 21:28 (6,470 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
A Bolt down

Top Load, Horizontal Axis Malleys machine.

I've just purchased the product literature from the mid 60's off ebay, and I hope these may show up in there.


CLICK HERE TO GO TO brisnat81's LINK on eBay


Post# 141365 , Reply# 14   7/10/2006 at 22:04 (6,470 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Nathan, the front control panel of that Malleys Automatic Twelve looks just like a Blackstone!! Hmm.

Post# 141395 , Reply# 15   7/11/2006 at 00:55 (6,470 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

I would throw in a vote for a 50's Norge as well-with the "Burpilator" action and the shiney metal lint pan.My Mom had one-liked watching it as a little kid.

Post# 141409 , Reply# 16   7/11/2006 at 06:11 (6,470 days old) by christfr (st louis mo)        
oh

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all id like to find would be a splashy kelvi..aahhh just the thougt of it..how fun

Post# 141414 , Reply# 17   7/11/2006 at 08:02 (6,470 days old) by westyslantfront ()        

I am happy that I finally found a Thor Automagic but sure would not mind another solid tub such as Norge Timeline or Speed Queen with stainless steel solid tubs.


Ross


Post# 141415 , Reply# 18   7/11/2006 at 08:06 (6,470 days old) by bobofhollywood ()        
kelvinator - magic minute

Same here - I think a Kelvinator or an abc-0-matic even would be fun....for me....or a launder-all....and I've never actually owned a unimatic, either...which would also probably please me...

I'd like something like a delorean washer...was there ever one with a stainless steel cabinet?

The thing is here...I'm trying to think of one I'd like to have that I HAVEN'T seen yet~

Fun thread.

I'd like to have one of those GM Frigidaire portable dishwashers that opens up like a gull wing, from the late 60's, I think, and starts with the turn of a knob not unlike turning the key to start your car!~

Also...I always loved the 1955 GE fridge I grew up with - freezer on the bottom, rotating shelves in the fresh food. Two tone cabinet and interior. Lots of lights. I'd like to find another one, though I never saw another in my entire lifetime - so far.

Bob


Post# 141417 , Reply# 19   7/11/2006 at 08:15 (6,470 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        

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50-60's Kenmo set.


Post# 141448 , Reply# 20   7/11/2006 at 11:54 (6,470 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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I'd like a Unimatic. I know that they are rather common, but I still have GOT to have one. I'd also like to find an avacado 1-18 and an avacado Maytag.

Post# 141461 , Reply# 21   7/11/2006 at 14:34 (6,470 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
?

Hi Bob,

It does look a bit like one yes, but the ad claims no gearbox, or clutch, and the other ads claim that its bolt down.

I drew the conclusion, that it a H Axis, because the lid is so small. I've only ever seen a TL H Axis that has such a tiny portal.

Even if it is a h axis machine, it's odd that there is no gearbox, how would it get from Tumble to spin :)

I'll just have to keep my eyes peeled for the holy grail and hopefully one will turn up. :)


Post# 141462 , Reply# 22   7/11/2006 at 14:43 (6,470 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Even if it is a h axis machine, it's odd that there is no gearbox, how would it get from Tumble to spin :)

It could have two sepeare motors.


Post# 141490 , Reply# 23   7/11/2006 at 17:14 (6,470 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
Peter H770

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"Mine is the 1968-69 Frigidaire Custom Imperial variable speed "High Fashion" cabinet washer (and dryer)."


Do you have a picture of this creature?


Post# 141491 , Reply# 24   7/11/2006 at 17:19 (6,470 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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...or a sliding pulley like Westinghouse f/l'ers

Post# 141492 , Reply# 25   7/11/2006 at 17:26 (6,470 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
My choice:

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I don't know if it's my Holy Grail, but I'd be thrilled to find a 1969 Hotpoint Duo-Load that had it's version of a mini-basket. I remember seeing one briefly at Gimble's on 33rd street (Gimble's had all the brands that Macy's didn't carry). I still wonder how it worked. It had a white tub and a turquoise spiral fountain-style agitator. Unlike its cousins, you could do a separate wash in the big tub while using the mini-tub. It was rated very low by CU that year but it was a gorgeous machine.

I think the dryer in this ad was already a re-badged GE


Post# 141494 , Reply# 26   7/11/2006 at 17:30 (6,470 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Excellent choice!

Post# 141495 , Reply# 27   7/11/2006 at 17:36 (6,470 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Anybody got the functional details on how this worked?

Post# 141502 , Reply# 28   7/11/2006 at 18:27 (6,469 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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That is just plain awesome...

Post# 141505 , Reply# 29   7/11/2006 at 18:47 (6,469 days old) by laundryboy (Orlando Florida & Moravia NY. )        

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Frigidaire 1-18 washer and dryer in Coppertone

Post# 141507 , Reply# 30   7/11/2006 at 19:10 (6,469 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        

A Duo-Load-----who knew? I can't say I ever saw one of those critters!

I can see how they could keep the water seperate------untill time to spin. That ad isn't telling all-----big surprise. Still---very interesting----and must be rare! Hmmmmmmm


Post# 141602 , Reply# 31   7/12/2006 at 04:27 (6,469 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Am I Missing Something!!!

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Red socks in the mini tub, whitest whites on a hot wash down below...HHmmm

Do you have the ability to turn the filterflow off to the mini basket??

What happens come rinse and spin??

I`m assuming the add men thought the mini basket would spin out over the top and by a miracle would shoot over the main tub to the outer tub and all is fine....on the other hand it could be the best "Tye Dye" machine ever invented, spray the whites with dye and spin it out for all those lovely patterns....LOL

Mike


Post# 141614 , Reply# 32   7/12/2006 at 07:07 (6,469 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        

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I'm imagining that the fountain-filter pump was engingeered to work selectively: when the duo-load feature was chosen the machine would fill first with only the amount and temperature of water required for the mini-basket. It would pump it up into the basket via the agitator fountain and then subsequent water intended for the main tub, wouldn't be diverted into the "fountain". They even might have used a Filter-flo style pump attachment to do this as the Hotpoint fountain-filter "pump" was the agitator itself. Because the Hotpoint was still a solid tub machine, when the wash water was thrown, there would only be incidental mixing of the two waste waters at the beginning of the spin. This feature wasn't around long--only one year, I believe before GE cut bait and eliminated real Hotpoint washers, turning them into FrankenGE's. This was a line that CU helped kill.

I need to get my hands on the 1969 Consumer's Reports issue that tested washing machines. One of the negatives that it described in great detail was how the Hotpoint agitator assembly would have to be completely disassembled to get rid of sand! There were even pictures of it and it looked like a massive undertaking. CU thought that the Hotpoint mini-wash system worked better and used less water overall than the GE's but it rated the Hotpoint machine at the bottom of the list. Most of the last remaining solid-tub machines, including Frigidaire, kept it company. I think it was one of the last CU reports that included now extinct brands like Blackstone, Easy, Wizard, Hamilton and Philco (sigh!).


Post# 141619 , Reply# 33   7/12/2006 at 07:41 (6,469 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)        

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I thought I'd seen this washer at some point...as I recall it was like a mini basket only with a big flange (essentially out to the edge of the tub) which would channel the water down the holes at the top of the tub. Essentially at spin the water for both tubs would be thrown (but not mixed) over the sides. Never quite knew how the water got to where it was supposed to, though...maybe an early trial of the automatic dispenser-in-the-lid GE water flows???

Post# 141624 , Reply# 34   7/12/2006 at 08:25 (6,469 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)        
For Bajaespuma

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To dream the impossible dream...

Post# 141646 , Reply# 35   7/12/2006 at 10:15 (6,469 days old) by jaxsunst ()        

Had anyone ever had a sighting of the above Frigidaires?

Post# 141658 , Reply# 36   7/12/2006 at 11:47 (6,469 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Frigidaire High Fashion!

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I wish they would have made the 1/18's in this style.
Peter


Post# 141721 , Reply# 37   7/12/2006 at 16:17 (6,469 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
Peter H770

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OH

MY

FREAKING

G-D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Now that I see the pictures, I barely do remember these!! They must have been right before they abandoned the solid tub design for the 1-18's)

Thank you so much for the pictures. What a great stride down memory-challenged lane. I guess that's where I got the idea for my fantasy ideal LG makeovers:


Post# 141724 , Reply# 38   7/12/2006 at 16:47 (6,469 days old) by geextrarinse (Hudson Valley, New York )        
WOW~

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That Hotpoint is really neat! I'd love to see one of them in action!

And as far as my Holy Grail Machine Goes...

I think everyone's heard me whine about it by now - but I'm dieing for a Dispensall! Any model would be great but I think the best and most fun machine GE ever made was this model. The Americana with the lighted controls, mini basket and elongated FF flume all are just classicc to me! I "borrowed" this pic from Greg who had a set of these. Any info on the availability of one of these would be greatly appreciated.

I'm still searching voraciously through the refuse piles behind appliance stoores and the like - no luck yet but a few neat machines along the way - who knows!

Someday My prince will come!

Matthew


Post# 141749 , Reply# 39   7/12/2006 at 17:59 (6,469 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Don (jetaction) and I have seen the dryer at a shop in Toledo, OH when we were doing some hunting out there a few years ago. It was being used as a combination filing cabinet and TV stand, but it was still glorious!

Post# 141758 , Reply# 40   7/12/2006 at 18:15 (6,468 days old) by trainguy (Key West, FL)        
How About....

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the matching dryer to this..........

Post# 141760 , Reply# 41   7/12/2006 at 18:15 (6,468 days old) by trainguy (Key West, FL)        

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the other half....

Post# 141843 , Reply# 42   7/12/2006 at 22:15 (6,468 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        

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OMG, I have never seen a 1-16 or a 1-18 with this control panel. I am a newbie to this technology! I thought I knew all of the models that were out, and I do not!

What year?

Steve


Post# 142040 , Reply# 43   7/13/2006 at 14:52 (6,468 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        
Me neither...

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I have also never seen this model. I knew of the Elite line but never saw this laundry pair. They must have been expensive and not many stores carried them or were special order types. Hmmm, could that control panel be installed on a standard 2 speed 1-18 and made to work? I've also been looking for a WCI made Elite faux 1-18 with the electronic touch controls that I remember seeing in a new homes tour once. I remember it had the plastic tub but the control panel was so cool I'd take it anyway. I've never seen a single one of these anywhere either and I keep looking. Maybe someday.

By the way Trainguy - I'd kill for that control panel. Where did you find it? Thanks for the great pictures. Patrick


Post# 142046 , Reply# 44   7/13/2006 at 15:07 (6,468 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        
1-18 Holy Grail(S)

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I know who has one...still in use with it's maching washer...

Post# 142047 , Reply# 45   7/13/2006 at 15:08 (6,468 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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The washer:

Post# 142058 , Reply# 46   7/13/2006 at 15:35 (6,468 days old) by jeb (Mansfield Ohiio)        
I don't beleive it!

I had this Frig set just befor I found this web site. The washer froze up and I didn't know that you great people were out there so I has it taken away. [ everyone I knew said " why would you want to keep that old junk machine"] About a week later I found you guys and could kick myself for letting them go.

Post# 142066 , Reply# 47   7/13/2006 at 16:04 (6,468 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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The Frigidaire Holy Grail ....

Post# 142082 , Reply# 48   7/13/2006 at 17:10 (6,468 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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WOW!!!! Those look really neat!! Have they promised to give them to you Greg once they decide to go new? Also, do my eyes decieve me? There is such a thing as a 1-16? How was this machine different from the 1-18? Was it a solid tub? Did it have a different agitator?

Post# 142090 , Reply# 49   7/13/2006 at 17:51 (6,468 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
Oh, baby...

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A Frigidaire 1-18 with buttons instead of dials. Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' about.

How did I miss this? Seriously, what year were these produced? Was it right before the White Consolidated Industries atrocity?


Post# 142102 , Reply# 50   7/13/2006 at 18:20 (6,467 days old) by trainguy (Key West, FL)        
That's Correct...

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these beauties (WEG & DEEG) were the TOL models for 1979. And yes, they WERE expensive. My console came to me courtesy of FilterFlo - thanks again, Jimmy.

And Greg, thanks for the great shots of both the washer & dryer. That should make everyone wanting that set. Hope you do get the set at some point. And hoping I find one, too.

Rich



Post# 142116 , Reply# 51   7/13/2006 at 18:43 (6,467 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        

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Greg,

Thanks for posting those pictures. Those machines are just beautiful. Frigidaire really pulled out all the stops before handing the reigns over to WCI. Just think what the 1-18 line may have become if GM had continued on with Frigidaire. Although today with the shape GM is in now, that may not have been a good thing. Best of luck in obtaining these for your own collection someday.

Patrick


Post# 142122 , Reply# 52   7/13/2006 at 19:49 (6,467 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
interesting...

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The filter slot on these looks different than on my 1-18. Was the filter pan just pulled-out at the time when the photo was taken?

Post# 142253 , Reply# 53   7/14/2006 at 09:36 (6,467 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        

I would think one of the holy grails is the GE Americana with a still working dispensall. Also, I guess that Hoover automatic washer could be one too.

Post# 142271 , Reply# 54   7/14/2006 at 10:19 (6,467 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)        

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Here's another grail, not THE Holy Grail, but grail nonetheless...


Post# 142278 , Reply# 55   7/14/2006 at 10:39 (6,467 days old) by westytoploader ()        
My holy grail(s)...

Would be ANY solid-tub Hotpoint or perforated-tub Norge/Wards, especially the mid-60's machine with the HUGE curved-vane agitator. That Hotpoint Duo-Load sure looks like fun, although the chances of me finding one here are probably nil.

I was hoping to stumble across a High Fashion or Holy Grail 1-18 during the Texas hunt last June, but no such luck there! Just a completely disassembled 1-16 and a few junk 1-18's in the graveyard.

And then there's my dream Westinghouse, complete with storage drawers, shown here...


Post# 142284 , Reply# 56   7/14/2006 at 10:46 (6,467 days old) by westytoploader ()        

One thing I noticed about that Holy Grail 1-18 is that, being a '79 model, it uses a different mounting rail for the Jet-Flow lint filter. Instead of the usual center mount, it's held in by the sides, which makes the basket and bed-of-nails filters non-interchangeable. Yet another side-effect of Frigidaire modifying their designs...

There are WCI Frigidaire Holy Grails as well with all-pushbutton controls, according to my literature. Made around '83 with the 4-head fill flume. The lint filter is also very similar to the 1-18 lint filter, but this time it says "Flowing Lint Filter" instead of "Jet-Flow". Very cool machines to say the least. Contrary to popular belief, these don't have plastic tubs. It's still the speckled porcelain like the Westinghouses, although they switched shortly afterward.


Post# 142297 , Reply# 57   7/14/2006 at 11:10 (6,467 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        
MY Holy Grail

Is a mint 1970 Kenmore 800. Truly a holy grail. It doesn't show up very often.

Post# 142301 , Reply# 58   7/14/2006 at 11:21 (6,467 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Nate, there should still be a filter lock in the center of that mounting on the 1-18, I think that was just broken at the time. Given the performance of the pan-type filter, it wasn't much of a loss in functionality.

Post# 142304 , Reply# 59   7/14/2006 at 11:24 (6,467 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        
1960 Ladies

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These would be a great Kenmore find... I'd also like to see the 61 Lady Kenmore with the automatic water level system - just to see how it worked.

Post# 142363 , Reply# 60   7/14/2006 at 15:18 (6,467 days old) by easyspindry (Winston-Salem, NC)        
Malleys

The front of the Malleys reminds me of the Bendix Economat

Post# 142380 , Reply# 61   7/14/2006 at 15:46 (6,467 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Unless something is missing on the diagrams, the parts listing at Sears Parts online for the '61 LK doesn't show anything unusual on the water level or control systems. It is a mystery!

Post# 142406 , Reply# 62   7/14/2006 at 19:38 (6,466 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
Those have to be the most beautiful Sears machines I've

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Does anyone remember (or have) the Lady Kenmore ad from the late Sixties that featured Rosemary Clooney and one of her sons toweling off in front of the Clooney/Ferrer matched washer and dryer? (Would that little cousin Georgie had been visiting that particular day).


Post# 143478 , Reply# 63   7/19/2006 at 04:27 (6,462 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
1/18 Above

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The 1/18 pair above was the ultimate of them all. I only saw them in one local dealership before the end. I believe only a few of these models were sold. I cannot remember the price but they were expensive for the time. It kind of makes me sad to look at them now because I remember when I did see them I had a positive outlook as what was to come about (little did I know).
Peter



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