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Post# 950119   7/26/2017 at 09:43 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

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Hi everyone!

This is my first post so apologies if I don't understand the forum yet :)

I managed to get an imported Top-Loading LG washing machine (WT-6505) from Australia here in UK earlier this year and I love it! It's quick, silent, effective etc..

But I've heard from a lot of my friends from the US that Tide is the best.. So far I've found a shop selling Tide in Holland Park here in London.. But the question is.. Where can I find it for less than £35? (That's roughly 45$)

My current laundry cupboard consists of Ariel Excel Gel with Febreze, Daz Powder for whites & Colours, Daz to Go Pods, EcoEgg (which I don't really use), BioTex Enzyme stain remover, Vanish Gold (the one for whites and one for colours) I


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Post# 950319 , Reply# 1   7/27/2017 at 15:49 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        

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Tide used to be sold here many decades ago. It was discontinued in favour of Ariel.

I notice from your laundry detergent stash that you mostly have detergents without bleach (excluding Vanish).

Don't be fooled - Daz 'Whites & Colours' has no oxygen bleach. Neither does Daz '65 Years'. On the other hand, Daz 'Ultra Whites' does contain oxygen bleach. Confusing for people at the best of times.

Whilst we're on the subject, "Which?" magazine tested detergents. The best stain removal was achieved with Lidl's 'Formil' powder, matched only by P&G's 'Ariel' powder.

Best liquid detergent for attempting to keep whites clean was Unilever's 'Persil Small & Mighty'.

All were biological formulations.


Post# 950428 , Reply# 2   7/28/2017 at 06:41 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

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I think I might try the Formil powder! Do you happen to know the ingredients?

I don't mind washing without bleach, but if in doubt! throw a cup of bleach in the drum lol.


I'm a big fan of biological detergents, I don't think I've ever used non-bio! Also.. Does regular use of Oxygenated Bleach cause any corrosion or damage to the machine?


/Alex


Post# 950432 , Reply# 3   7/28/2017 at 07:31 by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London UK)        
Tide

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Alex

If you send me an email (in my profile) I can bring some Tide for you to try at least, I am in West London every week

Al


Post# 950446 , Reply# 4   7/28/2017 at 11:33 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        

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Lidl website had a link to the ingredients, but you had to enter the barcode of the product, thus you had to have the product to hand.

The website seems to have lost the link the last time I looked, a few months ago. But the German Lidl website had the link.

The last time I checked well over a year ago, Formil had six enzymes. I think they were protease, lipase, pectate-lyase, and three glycosidases. It also has oxygen bleach in the formulation. The fragrance is quite mild (i.e. not intense like P&G Ariel).



Post# 950452 , Reply# 5   7/28/2017 at 12:05 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        

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Or the formulation might have been protease, lipase, mannanase and three glycosidases. Any which way, it got good cleaning results.

Post# 950463 , Reply# 6   7/28/2017 at 13:12 by MrAlex (London, UK)        
Tide

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vacbear58 - Thank you that's a very kind offer. I took the plunge last night and ordered 16 pods from the American food store. I'll try it when I have a large enough load of laundry, I don't want to waste it :)


Rolls_rapide- Any detergent that has six enzymes must be impressive! I doubt other brands has that many?


/Alex


Post# 950469 , Reply# 7   7/28/2017 at 14:10 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

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Updated look of the pods! It sure does look like Ariel pods now!

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Post# 950481 , Reply# 8   7/28/2017 at 15:02 by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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Alex, those Tide pods are a little bit smaller in size than Ariel pods, had them side by side.
Scent goes in a similar direction, but I found Tide Original way more pleasant for my nose although it`s a very strong lingering scent.


Post# 950563 , Reply# 9   7/29/2017 at 08:57 by MrAlex (London, UK)        
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Good to know, did you compare the new version of Tide or the old one? (the blue, orange and white)


/Alex


Post# 950587 , Reply# 10   7/29/2017 at 11:09 by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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I compared the old version Tide Original Scent with Ariel Color Pods.
I haven`t noticed much of a difference between them (sudsing behavior, cleaning efficiency, dosing) but prefered the scent of Tide.


Post# 950810 , Reply# 11   7/30/2017 at 17:06 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

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I found this.. To me.. They seem similar, I got it from the US version of P&G I don't know how accurate they are compared to the detergent here in UK/EU

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Post# 950824 , Reply# 12   7/30/2017 at 19:19 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
"Ariel Color"

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Interesting.

The US version of the 'Color' detergent apparently has oxygen bleach (second picture).

UK 'Colour' detergents don't have bleach.


Post# 950826 , Reply# 13   7/30/2017 at 19:42 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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P&G does not sell Tide in many south American markets and or Mexico, where they do not "Ariel" is their TOL detergent. P&G also markets "ACE" detergent in some markets as well.

As have stated before oxygen bleach (perborate or percarbonate) per se won't harm colors, again Cheer contained "Colourguard" which was nothing more than small amounts of sodium perborate. This was done to neutralize the chlorine found in American tap water and thus "preserve colors".

Notice the Ariel powder listed above does not contain a bleach activator. While, yes, sodium percarbonate is the "cold water" oxygen bleach because it works in temps <100F (unlike sodium perborate that needs temps of 120F to >140F in order to get going), when used in warm or cooler water one can to an extent tame the aggressiveness of the bleach.

Providing we are speaking of colourfast textiles and not darks such as black, navy blues, etc... oxygen bleach brings much to the party when it comes to wash day.

By adding oxygen to water sodium perborate and percarbonate help deal with odors. Both bleaches sanitize to some extent which besides hygiene also assists in riding laundry of smells.

Unlike chlorine oxygen bleaches on their own do not normally attack colorfast dyes. They will work on organic stains (wine, tea, coffee, beetroot, etc..) so their addition to any detergent or wash helps with removing various marks.

German consumer texting group found that powdered detergents sold in that country over time *would* fade certain colors (especially darks) if used routinely even at low temperatures. Well they would, wouldn't they? Most if not all TOL and even MOL wash day powders sold in Germany (if not much of Europe) contain bleach activators (TAED). The whole purpose of that chemical is to get "boil wash" results at lower temps. So even doing the wash at 100F or 80F can result in loss of color from certain textiles.

This last bit was the whole reason behind color detergents in first place. But now it seems at least in certain European markets the trend is going towards leaving bleach out all together. If one wants the stuff will have to purchase a "booster" or whatever and add separately.

Of course this is an off shoot of liquid, gel and other fluid detergent formats displacing powders. It is not easy to combine oxygen bleach with such detergents (especially if they contain enzymes). This is the other reason you've seen P&G, Henkel and others launch and promote various booster products for the wash.


Post# 950829 , Reply# 14   7/30/2017 at 19:49 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
On a tear

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Decided to use some vintage "ultra" Tide when doing the wash Saturday. New union rules have for myself forbid opening a new product from the stash until something else has been completed. So am trying to cull the herd so to speak.

Used 1/4 of the stuff along with one tablespoon of oxygen bleach in the AEG. To my surprise there was nearly nil suds during the wash. After four rinses (AEG's *sensitive* programme does five), water was clear. To final rinse added a bit of vinegar and small amount of vintage *April Fresh) Downy (something else am trying to move along).

Results were staggering. White, bright, and clean wash! The scent is divine as well. Oh and things that had taken a bit of tattle-tale grey were sorted as well. Don't know that is in this Tide, but boy did it remove encrusted dirt "trapped" in fabrics.


Post# 950870 , Reply# 15   7/31/2017 at 05:28 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        

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Which temperature did you wash at in the AEG?

I know what you mean about an overflowing detergent stash - they seem to breed like rabbits.

And I thoroughly agree with you on the subject of odours. Liquids only seem to mask the bad smells. Powders with their oxygen bleach remove the offensive odours. I would rather have fresh, faded clothes, than stinky, unfaded garments.


Post# 950872 , Reply# 16   7/31/2017 at 06:00 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

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Launderess - I'm really impressed! you should start a detergent brand! I'd buy it! My top loader only does one rinse unless I select several rinses. I feel like every time I go to the grocery store I get more and more detergents.. I can't help it! I sneak past the detergent section and all of a sudden I have one or three products haha

Rolls_rapide - I like the Ariel Excel Gel, it gets clothes nice and clean! I hope.. lol


Post# 950874 , Reply# 17   7/31/2017 at 06:37 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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@Rolls_Rapide

Used 50C wash, as don't feel 60C or even 95C makes that much of a difference, long as one has properly dosed detergent and of course using a good dose of oxygen bleach.

@MrAlex.

What a kind sentiment.., thank you. We here in the group already have one detergent maker, think that is enough for now. *LOL*

Maybe next time am in London will haul over some of this stash for giving to you lot. Been meaning to go as have to pop into Marks to return..., well lets just call it an item.


Post# 950889 , Reply# 18   7/31/2017 at 09:21 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
"as have to pop into Marks..."

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I presume you mean 'Marks & Sparks' (slang). Properly known as Marks & Spencer?

And you're quite right, hand-hot water is quite efficient at cleaning - provided a good quality detergent is used.


Post# 950892 , Reply# 19   7/31/2017 at 09:38 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Try Tide Ultra Stain Release HE Turbo. It is currently the top-rated detergent by Consumer Reports. It really does a great job. The pods aren't bad, but Ultra Stain Release does a better job on stains.



Post# 950902 , Reply# 20   7/31/2017 at 11:05 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

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Sigh.. why are American products always so much more interesting than the ones I can get here... :/


Anyone tried the Method detergent? the one that says 6x/8x more concentrated in a pump-bottle?


/Alex


Post# 951022 , Reply# 21   8/1/2017 at 06:25 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

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Sooo... I accentually went to Lidl and bought the Formil Biological powder... The green box that says (dazzling whites) It should be alright to use on dark clothes as well? I mean.. I often add oxygenated bleach either way if not having it in my detergent..? I find it so difficult not to buy FS! I know it's not good for the machine but.. aah.. the smell..

Post# 951029 , Reply# 22   8/1/2017 at 07:02 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
Dark clothes

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It depends on the items. Black cottons likely will eventually turn a shade of grey - or at least a lighter shade of black.

If in doubt, wash the dark clothes with a reduced temperature - say, lukewarm rather than warm, and a reduced quantity of detergent.

I've found over the years, that black dyes and red dyes tend to fade a tad quicker than other colours. Much depends on fabric quality, dye quality, how the item is worn, which detergent is used, whether it is exposed to strong sunlight, whether it is turned inside out on the washing line, etc.

As an example, my dad had a uniformly red shirt which was used for gardening. The back was faded, as it was exposed much more to the sunlight as he was weeding, etc. In comparison, the front of the shirt was a deeper colour, where it was less exposed to the sun.

Another example: I had a pair of black jeans which faded over time - even using liquid detergents. To rejuvenate them, I washed them with Dylon black dye. They looked practically brand new - but the beige label and yellow stitching went black/grey too.


Post# 951055 , Reply# 23   8/1/2017 at 09:20 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

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I washed a load of bath towels with the Formil powder, the rinse water wasn't as clear as it usually is. Maybe that's down to using too much detergent. It said 65ml maybe I'll do the lowest recommended next time?

Post# 951063 , Reply# 24   8/1/2017 at 10:17 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
Clarity of rinse water...

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It depends upon the type of detergent used.

Powders usually have zeolite clay as a water softener. It is quite normal to have slightly clouded rinse water, though with more rinses, the less it should be.

Try reducing the amount slightly to 40 or 50 ml - but bear in mind if you have hard water.

As an example, I found that certain detergents (Acdo) lengthened the autowash programme on my machine. Probably due to the high zeolite level seen by the optical sensor.

Conversely, Daz powder seems to be quite light and fluffy in comparison, and shorter programme lengths seem to be the order of the day with it.

I'd say that Formil sits somewhere between these two examples, probably gravitating towards the Acdo end of the spectrum, in terms of the formulation consistency. Acdo is quite a heavy powder; Formil less so.


Post# 951064 , Reply# 25   8/1/2017 at 10:31 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

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I did a water hardness test.

On the box of the Formil powder it says 45ml for soft, 65ml for medium and 85ml for hard and if the load is more than 4-5kg add another 45ml!? (my washer is 6.5kg but I'm pretty sure I never do a full load)


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Post# 951069 , Reply# 26   8/1/2017 at 10:49 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        

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Try 50ml, that might do the trick.

Post# 951080 , Reply# 27   8/1/2017 at 11:27 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

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Rolls_Rapide - Thanks! Will try that! :)


Post# 951113 , Reply# 28   8/1/2017 at 14:24 by iej (Ireland)        

To be perfectly honest, most top of the line detergents will perform well.

You’ll save yourself a small fortune just using one that’s available in the UK

If this is an high efficiency, pulsator type Asian top loader, you should probably use normal European detergents as they are all low foaming.

In terms of performance, Ariel Liquid is absolutely excellent in short washes.


Post# 951134 , Reply# 29   8/1/2017 at 15:22 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

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Lej - I know!! But I have some sort of fetish for detergents.. I ordered the new Ariel 55 Pods on Amazon now as well.. lol.. I've spent way too much on detergent this month.
I have to agree the Ariel gel is superb for quick wash! I don't really need quick wash since the LG does a full wash in 60 minutes

After some research I actually think they're exactly the same thing as Tide


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Post# 951191 , Reply# 30   8/1/2017 at 22:52 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Tide Ultra Stain Release HE Turbo

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It wasn't my idea, but that lot at laundromat. Was gifted a half bottle of the stuff by someone who didn't want (that should have been my first clue), so gave it a try in the Miele with some badly stained table linens.

Cleaned well enough I suppose, but didn't shift stains well as hoped. But the smell was horrid IMHO; quite bowled one over. Later when ironing the wash could detect a faint whiff of bug killer.


Post# 951215 , Reply# 31   8/2/2017 at 05:28 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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"...a faint whiff of bug killer." You must have been using the limited edition William Burroughs version, Launderess. 😉

My favorite non-USA detergent is Persil Bio powder. It was the clearest-rinsing detergent I'd ever used prior to Rosalie's Zero Suds. Purchased it online for a couple of years through britsuperstore.com, but the outrageous shipping charges eventually steered me back to Tide. That and Persil Proclean 2-in-1 are now my daily drivers.

I use Perwoll Black Effect (formerly Black Magic/Black Intensive) for black clothes. Perwoll's price went through the roof at amazon.com so I tried Woolite For Dark Colors and blacks went dusty-grey almost immediately. I wear a ridiculous amount of black clothing each week and keeping everything looking new is vital.  Lesson learned. Coughed up the cash and went straight back to Perwoll. Detergent is cheaper than new clothing.


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Post# 951527 , Reply# 32   8/4/2017 at 05:11 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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I have an LG Turbodrum, it's an older model than yours. Does yours fill all the way to the top? If yes, have you considered Persil Handwash for Handwash and Twintubs?

Post# 951529 , Reply# 33   8/4/2017 at 05:36 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

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foraloysius - Mine weighs the laundry before and selects appropriate water level, usually just covering the laundry. I can manually select water level 10 which is the entire tub. The manual calls for low sudsing detergent preferably made for FL :) But now I'm curious how your machine works! lol

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Post# 951532 , Reply# 34   8/4/2017 at 05:46 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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On my Turbodrum you can select the water level in any cycle, but on a few it does it automatically when you don't select a level. Here's a thread about my LG.

www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T...


Post# 951537 , Reply# 35   8/4/2017 at 06:19 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

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foraloysius- thanks! I've attached a pictures of mine, usually when doing laundry it's just at a water level 3 or if doing bedding and towels its at 5

It has four water temp settings, cold, warm, hot or hot+cold (50/50)


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Post# 951540 , Reply# 36   8/4/2017 at 06:52 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Mr. Alex: What are the air dry and Fuzzy settings about?

I like controls mounted at the front of the top--very nice, sleek look.


Post# 951560 , Reply# 37   8/4/2017 at 08:19 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

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Frigilux - It spinns the clothes for 60 to 120 minutes it's supposed to create a flow of air in the tub, it can get my dress shirts dry in over an hour. So pretty much light fabrics, I can select up to 5 rinses! Why anyone would want that Idk!

Post# 951562 , Reply# 38   8/4/2017 at 08:33 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
"Fuzzy"

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I presumed that the 'Fuzzy' option is an automatic, sensor controlled programme. Probably like Panasonic's 'Econavi Autocare' programme - i.e. sensors calculate the best wash rhythm based on the laundry weight, water absorption, detergent composition and incoming water temperature.

AEG had 'Advanced Fuzzy Logic' on their machines.

Basically, Fuzzy Logic is supposed to give the onboard computer more options than the usual 'true or false', 'yes or no', 'on or off' statements.

So instead of filling with a large amount of water for one shirt, and heating that water to a certain heat, and washing for a certain amount of time, etc. Fuzzy logic might do as modern machines do, adapt to each load.


Post# 951564 , Reply# 39   8/4/2017 at 08:42 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

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Forgot to answer that question lol! It's pretty much what Rolls_Rapide said. This model is a dual fill btw

Post# 951581 , Reply# 40   8/4/2017 at 12:21 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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According to the manual of my LG, the Air dry cycle can also be used for drying the machine. You use the cycle without any laundry then.

Post# 951582 , Reply# 41   8/4/2017 at 12:26 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

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That too! When I press wash + rinse it enters a 30 minutes tub dry mode :)

Post# 955015 , Reply# 42   8/28/2017 at 12:23 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

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The Ariel Pod and the Tide Pod.

TBH I think they're the same, they act the same in the laundry water and the laundry feels the same


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Post# 955017 , Reply# 43   8/28/2017 at 12:46 by liamy1 (-)        
MrAlex

Tide Pods have just been changed, they are no longer white, blue and orange liquid. They're now green, blue and white to match Ariel.

Unsure if the scent is the same (don't think it is likely, as Tide has always been a different scent to Ariel, whether it is powder, liquid or pod).


CLICK HERE TO GO TO liamy1's LINK


Post# 955018 , Reply# 44   8/28/2017 at 12:50 by liamy1 (-)        
Also,

Unsure if you know, but the Daz pods the in the UK has "TIDE/VIZIR/DAZ" printed on the back. (There is a thread on here somewhere as I posted pictures), will try and find it.

Post# 955020 , Reply# 45   8/28/2017 at 12:53 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

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liamy1 - I know that they recently changed the pods but the American Food Shop in Holland Park hasn't got the new ones :/ I think I even mentioned the Tide/Daz/Vizir earlier in the thread and I have used the Daz pods as well :)

Post# 955021 , Reply# 46   8/28/2017 at 12:58 by liamy1 (-)        
Ah right,

I've not used Tide (or any US detergent) for some time now, so unsure if anything has changed in relation to smell.

If you do see any of the new ones make it over here, you will have to compare and let us know.

:)


Post# 955023 , Reply# 47   8/28/2017 at 13:00 by liamy1 (-)        
Ah right,

*would help if I remembered whats in this thread as I have read it since it's been going :)

Post# 955027 , Reply# 48   8/28/2017 at 13:16 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

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liamy1 - I got the Spring Meadow so I can't really compare them to the Ariel Pods, but if I get my hands on the new Tide I'll let you know! :)

Post# 955035 , Reply# 49   8/28/2017 at 13:29 by liamy1 (-)        
Thanks :)

I think the last one I had was the 72 box of Tide "Alpine" Pods (they don't make it anymore though).

It smelt nothing like Alpine, and certainly nothing like Ariel Alpine from about 15 years ago, but they did smell really nice all the same.


Post# 955055 , Reply# 50   8/28/2017 at 16:06 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
I'll send you lot Tide from these shores

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Anytime you like. It is on sale at local shop in our street often enough anyway.


Easiest thing to ship one shouldn't wonder would be the powder or pods. Liquid is not only too bulky but there is a risk of leaking. Indeed one never bothers with having liquid detergents sent from Europe. Why pay to ship all that water?




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Post# 955072 , Reply# 51   8/28/2017 at 17:21 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

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Launderess - Aren't you lovely! We all support each others addictions on here! lol That would be great!

Post# 955077 , Reply# 52   8/28/2017 at 17:53 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Case in point:

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Pods are on offer this week. However as one said, these offers seem to occur every fortnight or so... Dryer sheets (Bounce) are on offer as well. Usually it is all P&G laundry products at a go when the offer occurs.

www.riteaid.com/savings/w...


Post# 955408 , Reply# 53   8/31/2017 at 07:57 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

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Launderess - The link isn't working, I get a "Access Denied" message.


Post# 955414 , Reply# 54   8/31/2017 at 08:23 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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You get access denied because you want to access the website from outside the USA. I was able to open the link by using Secureline VPN and change my location to NYC. I had to use a valid postal code too to get access to what's on offer. Some American companies really hate foreigners snooping around on their website.

Post# 955418 , Reply# 55   8/31/2017 at 08:51 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

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foraloysius - Happens quite a lot unfortunately. :/

Post# 955423 , Reply# 56   8/31/2017 at 09:21 by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        
Hate foreigners snooping around

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How stupid that kind of attitude is, but it fits perfectly into current zeitgeist of nationalism. Don`t these companies know how many foreigners visit the USA every
year ?
And any foreigner on their sites could be a potential customer looking for information ahead of a visit.

Instead of using a proxyserver I try to boycott these companies by not spending my dollars there whenever possible. Thank god there`s other competitors (Walgreens) where we are still welcomed.


Post# 955646 , Reply# 57   9/1/2017 at 18:35 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Sorry about that, one had no idea.

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But when you think about things there is a method to the madness one supposes.

It isn't like Rite Aid has stores outside of USA, nor does it have a mail order or internet service.

For the record plenty of websites block access to those outside of a certain geographical area. There's Youtube for a start.

As one who is always nosing around the internet searching for vintage appliances, laundry products and so forth, it is not uncommon to click upon a link from say a Google image or other search only to get "access denied" in various languages for reasons pretty much boiling down to out of area.

To also be fair many persons selling or whatever things on internet don't want to be bothered with international sales.


Post# 956449 , Reply# 58   9/6/2017 at 19:05 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Accessing Websites From Different Countries

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Sometimes the self detection works in one's favor.

Seeking replacement part for my AEG washer went over to Homespares.com UK; was at once given a "slider" message saying one could save 20% (the VAT) if went to their North American/USA address. Upon clicking "yes" was sent over and price of part did drop accordingly. Turns out to be even cheaper than what some are selling unbranded AEG/Electrolux part for on fleaPay.





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