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Thread Number: 71977
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
If you don;t like HE Washing Machines |
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| Post# 952101 8/8/2017 at 01:29 (2,451 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
If you don't like He Washing Machines, check out JayKay18's video on why Modern HE Washer suck. I'll put it in the link.
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| Post# 952102 , Reply# 1 8/8/2017 at 01:32 (2,451 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Post# 952107 , Reply# 2 8/8/2017 at 02:24 (2,451 days old) by kb0nes  (Burnsville, MN) |
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| Post# 952113 , Reply# 3 8/8/2017 at 07:06 (2,451 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c ) | ||
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Ihave a simplified version... No water...no washing....no water no rinsing...... | ||
| Post# 952114 , Reply# 4 8/8/2017 at 07:11 (2,451 days old) by MrAlex (London, UK) | ||
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Post# 952116 , Reply# 5 8/8/2017 at 07:26 (2,451 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 952127 , Reply# 6 8/8/2017 at 09:17 (2,451 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 952218 , Reply# 7 8/8/2017 at 17:52 (2,450 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit) | ||
On JayKay18
There are many things that he is right about, but many others that he is not on. He is good at fixing things, but has many false beliefs on things. He is generally a mixed bag with a select few but very loyal followers. He is the only person to YouTube who can have 100 views on a video but over 30 comments and 80 likes at the same time.
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| Post# 952252 , Reply# 8 8/8/2017 at 21:46 (2,450 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Yeah...
JayKay18 also has created his own wash-in, he calls it "Wash Day Wash In." He and another YouTube user Sharkie626 wash towels in his two Whirlpool Direct Drive washers (Whirlpool's last good top load washers) and they talk about how bad the HE washers are. I forgot to mention, that one LG washing machine got replaced with a Speed Queen!!
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| Post# 952282 , Reply# 9 8/9/2017 at 06:22 (2,450 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
Oh brother | ||
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Post# 952288 , Reply# 10 8/9/2017 at 07:20 (2,450 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Post# 952302 , Reply# 12 8/9/2017 at 08:52 (2,450 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Jon-- Thanks for providing more evidence that the guy making these videos is misguided.
Of course the HE machine in the video above uses more water to do a complete fill. The tub is larger! That also means it can wash a larger load than the traditional Whirlpool. A machine's water efficiency is based on the amount of water used per pound of clothing, not on how many gallons it takes to fill the tub.
CR and reviewed.com test the cleaning ability of HE top-loaders by allowing the machine to select the amount of water used. That reduces the total gallons used substantially when compared to a traditional top-loader.
There are legitimate reasons to dislike high efficiency top-loaders. This guy's specious test is not one of them.
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| Post# 952303 , Reply# 13 8/9/2017 at 09:01 (2,450 days old) by MrAlex (London, UK) | ||
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Frigilux | ||
| Post# 952359 , Reply# 14 8/9/2017 at 16:42 (2,449 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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I prefer top load washers over front load washers, simply because they plain work, and get it done in 30 minutes. Front loaders spin faster, but a faster spin puts stress on the fabrics. My Maytag A810 washer and Maytag DG810 dryer from the 80's that has never had a repair that I know of ( I acquired the Maytag washer and dryer around Auguest of last year ) and it has been working fine without a problem since then. Maytag washers of the 50's 60's 70's 80's and 90's did not have largest capacity, but since the tub was not as deep, but was wider, it spun a good amount of water out. Our front loader had a fast spin speed, but the average drying time was an hour. My Maytag does not have the fastest spin speed, but the drying time is still an hour ( Towels take an our to dry, but regular fabrics take 45 minutes to dry ). Our Kenmore dryer that matched the washer ( It is for sale in the Shoppers Square section ) that had automatic dry cycles, but it never worked properly from the beginning. I always used the timed drying cycle, instead of the automatic dry cycles.
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Post# 952364 , Reply# 15 8/9/2017 at 17:19 (2,449 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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 I'm with Eugene. A washplate HE is at the bottom of my list. Next to the bottom of the list is any modern agitator-looking washer. Direct drive Whirlpool-produced products are even lower, aka Shredmores. I'm with Bruce. Front loaders only. Higher water temps, better disgusting stain removal, cleaner clothes, and mine are lasting longer. With difficult stains, I spent more time washing/soaking a load in the Shredmore than my front loader using steam, sanitize or extra hot temperatures and still costs me less due to less water usage and heating required 23 gallons of hot water.
And that guy measuring all the water, he wasn't realistic. Because of fabric saturation and water retention following the spin between wash & rinse, the rinse fill uses lest water than the wash fill. | ||
| Post# 952394 , Reply# 16 8/9/2017 at 19:56 (2,449 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Front loaders use less water, but use more electricity, and most of all, waste time! Another thing about top loading washers is, you can use whatever laundry detergent you want. We bought Tide Pods in the summer of 2014, and they didn't really work. I dislike those Tide Pods pods, just as much as Front loaders! I forgot to mention, when the door gasket failed on our front loader, it was the definition of 'SHREDMORE', it put small holes in my clothes!
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| Post# 952472 , Reply# 17 8/10/2017 at 07:26 (2,449 days old) by wft2800 (Leatherhead, Surrey) | ||
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Front-loaders shouldn't take TOO much time (I've read of some silly cycle times lately), but then some of the classic American top-loaders with 10, 12, 15-minute max wash times... daft! Just not enough to clean effectively... | ||
| Post# 952474 , Reply# 18 8/10/2017 at 07:35 (2,449 days old) by MrAlex (London, UK) | ||
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Post# 952547 , Reply# 19 8/10/2017 at 22:20 (2,448 days old) by Washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i) |
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I Agree to be Against HE
Stupid! I bought these new machines to relieve my vintage collection and am appalled at the lackluster washing. And what is a "washplate?" A
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Post# 952548 , Reply# 20 8/10/2017 at 22:25 (2,448 days old) by Washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i) |
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I apologize for my iPad
Sorry about my last post -- apparently I hit the wrong key and it sent. Anyway, my new machines are awful. The dryer's "auto dry" cycle leaves clothes damp even at the highest heat setting. I have hated modern machines ever since the mid 1980s and these lovely vintage 2017 machines are terrible. I found that the "Normal" rinse cycle doesn't even agitate. It does a partial fill and then drains/spins. Anyway, I hope I can keep my older machines going until I die. Hate modern technology!
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Post# 952549 , Reply# 21 8/10/2017 at 22:27 (2,448 days old) by Washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i) |
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Another HE Comment | ||
| Post# 952553 , Reply# 22 8/11/2017 at 00:28 (2,448 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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That is a newer Whirlpool Belt Drive Washer. I don't like these new belt drives at all. Automatic Dry is a gimmick on most modern dryers, I would use the Timed Drying Cycle. YouTube user Sharkie626 will explain why the new Whirlpool Belt Drive Washer is worse than th Whirlpool Direct Drive Washer. I'll put it in the link.
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Post# 952576 , Reply# 23 8/11/2017 at 08:29 (2,448 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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that's the thing with youtube....they will let any fool post a video...credible or not....fact or fiction....
then again, whats the real issue, the ones who post?, or the ones who watch and believe everything they see?.....if anything, I figure this a comedy type of vid.. obviously there is not one single video of "How to fix stupid!"..... just masterful understated observations considering it comes from total idiots.... for HALF the people who don't like, or lets be serious, have no clue how to properly operate one of these units... of those half, who toss these machines out.....I come along to pick them up, only to find out there is nothing wrong with it.....it works perfect.....and Re-Sell for a clear and free profit.... again, SOLD to the other HALF who are tickled pink to buy a machine for half the price of new....that works as it should!.... guess who laughing all the way to the bank?... don't knock them until you own a few! | ||
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Post# 952580 , Reply# 24 8/11/2017 at 09:00 (2,448 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 952591 , Reply# 25 8/11/2017 at 11:23 (2,448 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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Post# 952592 , Reply# 26 8/11/2017 at 11:31 (2,448 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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and the same type of direct drive machine in motion......looks like plenty of water and agitation to me....then again, this vid is courtesy of our own Gansky, someone who definitely knows how to wash clothes and operate a washer correctly...
this one is a 2009 model, I have a 2010 that operates the same way.....newer versions are even better... SO....you were saying? | ||
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Post# 952604 , Reply# 27 8/11/2017 at 14:10 (2,448 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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I have to agree with Martin about these new HE TL's. I have been using my Maytag MVWC415 since Dec. 2016 and have had zero problems with it. I uses an adequete amount of water to throughly clean and rinse all types of loads, much more that the LG FL that it replaced. And it is relatively quick, most loads done in 50-55 mins. And it has never become unbalanced, spins first time, every time without hesitation. This was my main complaint with the LG, it seemed to hunt endlessly for that sweet spot where it would decide to spin. This is what contributed to the sometimes 2 hr. cycle times. And the cotton cycle on heavy soil level would tumble for no less that 20 mins with the clothes being barely damp, mostly dry, then would add more water , but not enough and continue to wash for another 10 mins. This is why I got rid of it.
We have a set of extra heavy weight bath towels that we got from Pottery Barn. I couldn't get these towels to spin in the LG FL unless I used slow spin speed, and even then it didn't want to spin. Finally, after the last time I washed them in the LG and it took 2 1/2 hours on normal soil I just stopped using these towels. The Maytag washes, rinses and spins these towels perfectly in 55 mins on heavy soild level with hot water on the Deep Water cycle. I watched yesterday when I washed these towels. The load was almost to the top of the basket dry, and after it filled and started to agitate the load had compressed to about 1/3 of the tub and was covered with about a inch of water, the equivalent of what a Westinghouse FL from the 80's would have used. To me the amount of water this machine uses is just right. Enough to throughly wash and rinse, but not wasteful. And I use hot water for most all loads, and it is pretty hot, I can see the steam coming through the gaps in the lid while it is filling and there is condensation on the control panel while it is filling. My new Maytag washes and rinses at least as well or better than the 76'Maytag 806 that I used to have. Personally, I think this machine is one of the very best washers I've ever owned. And as far as the comment about excessive linting from these HE TL's, that is not my experience. I clean the dryer lint filter after every load and I find that there is no more lint than when I owned the LG FL. I say don't knock it if you haven't tried it! Eddie This post was last edited 08/11/2017 at 18:02 | ||
| Post# 952625 , Reply# 29 8/11/2017 at 17:07 (2,447 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Post# 952655 , Reply# 31 8/12/2017 at 11:12 (2,447 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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we could have a field day with that one alone.....washer size, versus loads washed....
just to be clear, these TL HE machines will wash a huge load, no question about that... and interesting how from the 60'/70's, we went from machines that only washed full size loads, to wanting variable water levels for smaller loads.... trying to wrap my brain around the concept of needing such a huge machine....most larger families got along with smaller capacities... and also, paying upwards of 3000.00 for a set, to wash ONE comforter!...what?, maybe every two months.......a laundromat would cost roughly 10 to 12 dollars?.... having two king size beds myself, a standard 3 cuft washer, to a perfectly matched (double the size of the washers capacity) 7 cuft dryer......that is all you need! todays HE machines need full size loads to balance correctly, and for the dryers sensors to sense the load as well.... but yeah, I do know people who will use a standard full size machine, full water levels, to wash one outfit at a time! with that kind of thought process....makes you wonder why these families don't drive a school bus to cart around 2 kids and groceries!... just thoughts of making purchases within your budget and practical needs.... | ||
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Post# 952658 , Reply# 32 8/12/2017 at 12:25 (2,447 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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I routinely wash full capacity loads in my Maytag Centinnial with an agipeller it handles these loads beautifully. We have a cal king bed and I can wash our heaviest bedspreads, comforters and blankets with ease, using the Bulky cycle.
All the other loads that are mixed small and large items are washed either using the Powerwash or Deep Water cycles, which also perform excellently. The amount of water used in these cycle is equivalent to the amount of water FL's used to use before governement regulatory intervention. I used to be a big proponent of FL's and have owned 6 different FL's over my lifetime. The last one, an LG was a big disappointment for me. The only way I could get a sufficient amt of water was to use the Bulky cycle with water plus option,but them I was limited to med or slow spins speeds, so the superior extraction qualities of an FL's were compromised. After the cycle was complete, I would then need to run a separate spin cycle on high or extra high. To me the was just too much monkey business in order to enjoy the advantage of max extraction, and defeated the whole purpose of having an automatic washer. If I need to babysit a washing machine to get what I want and need from it I may as well be using a wringer washer and get my whole weeks wash done in an hour, just sayin. But since I don't have the room for a laundry tub, or a bathroom big enough to roll a wringer washer to the tub for rinsing I'm limited to having an automatic. My Maytag HE TL suits me just fine. Eddie | ||
| Post# 952695 , Reply# 33 8/12/2017 at 23:09 (2,446 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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The real reason why people want HE washers, is they have a larger capacity. Traditional top load automatic washers don't have the biggest capacity, but that was back in the day when you separated everything from whites, to colors, to delicates, to permanent press, and by the time you separated everything, you did not need to have a washer with a huge tub! Speed Queen top load washers of today have the largest capacity for a traditional top load automatic washer, and are simple to use! I would rather wash my large, bulky bedding at the laundromat, then spend $3,000.00 on a washer and dryer that has the largest capacity!
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Post# 952703 , Reply# 34 8/13/2017 at 04:42 (2,446 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 952753 , Reply# 36 8/13/2017 at 13:42 (2,446 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Post# 952761 , Reply# 37 8/13/2017 at 14:09 (2,446 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 952762 , Reply# 38 8/13/2017 at 14:12 (2,446 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Electronics Cheap, flexibel, far more versatile. Cram a load sensing system into a pure timer mechanism. Oh wait, AFAIK that is impossible. | ||
| Post# 952783 , Reply# 39 8/13/2017 at 17:59 (2,445 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Post# 952785 , Reply# 40 8/13/2017 at 18:05 (2,445 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Maytag85: Front load washers are not as automatic (except for vintage front loaders) as a Top Load Automatic Washer.In what way is that? I had a Duet for a few weeks for testing after repairs. Load clothes, add detergent, select cycle, press Start. A while later take out clean clothes, transfer to dryer. Same process as any toploader. A frontloader would be my choice if I had to buy a new washer tomorrow. | ||
| Post# 952791 , Reply# 41 8/13/2017 at 18:37 (2,445 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Front loaders are automatic washers, but the front loader my folks bought I never trusted. It got off balance to the point where it would begin to jump, and and would move (yes the leveling feet were leveled) and it was scary! Top load washers get laundry done faster, than a front loader. Vintage front loaders are just as fast as a traditional top load washer. If I were to buy a new washing machine, it would be a Speed Queen top load washer. Speed Queen is the only company left that builds traditional top load washers.
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Post# 952796 , Reply# 42 8/13/2017 at 19:22 (2,445 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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"Maytag85: Front loaders are automatic washers, but the front loader my folks bought I never trusted. It got off balance to the point where it would begin to jump, and and would move (yes the leveling feet were leveled) and it was scary!"To the contrary, the majority of frontloaders nowadays are overly sensitive to spin balancing to the point that they'll reduce the speed or abort completely instead of allowing the tub to impact the cabinet. | ||
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Post# 952798 , Reply# 43 8/13/2017 at 20:30 (2,445 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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may not be everyones cup of tea....
but many FLers now hold up to three times the amount of what a traditional TLer would... so if it were to take roughly 35 minutes to wash one load in a regular machine...times that by 3....your well over an hour and a half in time frame...that's also 3 times the amount of hot water and detergent.... factor in a wash and three rinses....plus a higher spin speed for less drying time for some areas, water and sewer rates are outrageously expensive....saving where they can is a priority.... | ||
| Post# 952967 , Reply# 45 8/15/2017 at 05:32 (2,444 days old) by Laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii) | ||
There is nobody who will "convert"me to a top loading washer. As you may know,My opinion from experience with many local and foreign made front loading and top loading washers is in favor of the fls. No agitator blades that wear and tare fabrics,less water,detergent,bleach,fabric softener and electricity. Fewer moving parts and/or a direct drive mechanism. The many I've had once brought back to life lasted me years with few,if any,repairs. I take care and maintain my machines teaching those who use them how to correctly use them. The doors of the washers stay ajat when not in use and do not get mildewed. My worst ones being the Neptunes. The best ones being the LGs. I've tinted fabrics,washed area rugs,car mats,shoes,pillows,stuffed teddy bears and table cloths with great results and no drama. Every top loading washer I've had tore up fabrics and left bleach marks on my clothes. They didn't spin as fast and I always had to use the second rinse for clear rinse water and no excess suds. They're quieter and more fun to watch. If I worked for EL, the front loaders they produce would have the same body design as the older Laundromats did but with the direct drive and a stainless steel inner and outer tub.
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Post# 952986 , Reply# 46 8/15/2017 at 07:55 (2,444 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 952992 , Reply# 47 8/15/2017 at 08:56 (2,444 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
like it or not wasing machhines have change
i can officaly say that washing machines have officaly change the last old fashion top load washer is speed queen but how long before they decide to start making he top load washers sure they have the timer dial on there 432 model but mostly these days everything is electronic it also makes me wonder what will the washer dryer model line front load or top load will be in 2018 because models change over the year so what is top of the line today might be replace by newer model next year take for exemple the maytag frontload washer model 8200 5.2 capacaty might be the top of the line front load today but will it be in 2018 or will it be redesign that is to be seen
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| Post# 953025 , Reply# 48 8/15/2017 at 14:37 (2,444 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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| Post# 953029 , Reply# 49 8/15/2017 at 15:49 (2,443 days old) by brucelucenta () | ||
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Is Newtion or Newrion anywhere close to Newton Iowa? | ||
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Post# 953030 , Reply# 50 8/15/2017 at 16:19 (2,443 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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| Post# 953032 , Reply# 51 8/15/2017 at 16:50 (2,443 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Those HE washers have a 10 year warranty on the motor, but the electronics is what usually goes bad first. Speed Queen is the only company who builds their machines with a life time warranty on the inner and outer tub, and has a better than any other washer sold today. A Speed Queen doesn't cost as much as those fancy Samsung and LG top load washers, and they have the best warranty in the industry, and they are built to last!
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Post# 953034 , Reply# 52 8/15/2017 at 16:58 (2,443 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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SQ is good....and most preferred....
but as with anything made, your going to have a few glitches along the way..... go back and search as we have a few members who would question that SQ warranty, and what they had to go through to get that warranty to cover their product.... a true test of a warranty, like insurance, is wait until you need/use it, then see what happens!...some are good with it, some are not.... best never to assume anything! | ||
| Post# 953060 , Reply# 53 8/16/2017 at 05:17 (2,443 days old) by brucelucenta () | ||
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Reading through all this makes me wonder what planet at least one member is from..... | ||
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Post# 953163 , Reply# 54 8/17/2017 at 00:13 (2,442 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI) |
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Yep, gotta agree... | ||
| Post# 953257 , Reply# 55 8/17/2017 at 15:54 (2,441 days old) by brucelucenta () | ||
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I like Fig newtons!!!!! | ||
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Post# 953260 , Reply# 56 8/17/2017 at 16:09 (2,441 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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| Post# 953271 , Reply# 57 8/17/2017 at 17:05 (2,441 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Post# 953272 , Reply# 58 8/17/2017 at 17:05 (2,441 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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Post# 1191610 , Reply# 59 10/9/2023 at 12:48 (198 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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HE top load washplate washers I can't believe they're still selling these! Boy this is so stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Post# 1191623 , Reply# 60 10/9/2023 at 14:55 (198 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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