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Post# 953723   8/20/2017 at 17:15 by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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Yes, this is my brother-in-law's stackable machines & the stuff I washed with that got even my daughter's throw-up out of her clothes...

Who says when you buy NEW laundry equipment that you DON'T get GOOD QUALITY?

They seem to both hold a lot of clothes, seemingly are energy efficient, hopefully are reliable, but, yeh, as yaw'll say: they take forever--even the dryer...!


-- Dave


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Post# 953729 , Reply# 1   8/20/2017 at 17:48 by Maytag85 (25 miles from Idywild, 25 miles from Temecula. )        

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The reason those clothes dryers overseas take forever, is they are mostly condenser dryers. US clothes dryers are faster because, they are vented dryers, and some are gas dryers which can dry a load of clothes fast. My Maytag DG810 can dry a load of clothes fast, and does a great job at drying clothes!

Post# 953779 , Reply# 2   8/21/2017 at 05:04 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        

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That dryer looks like a conventional vented machine.

There are no panels underneath as you would need in order to access the condenser.


Post# 953782 , Reply# 3   8/21/2017 at 06:27 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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Nice washer, I love those Bosch machines. The dryer is a BOL model, timer only, and it is indeed a vented dryer.

Post# 953784 , Reply# 4   8/21/2017 at 07:21 by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Dryer Is Vented

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It is basically the same piece of crap WP-MT is selling here, it is built in Italy by Maroni-Asko, like most European dryers it is only around 3000 watts and they have about 1/4 the life expectancy of a US built WP 24" dryer.

 

Many of them are lucky to last 5 years. We have been rebuilding the older WP-KM 24" dryers and replacing these dryers with them.


Post# 953790 , Reply# 5   8/21/2017 at 07:51 by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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Here is another washer and dryer set that I got to use:

It is a LaCasa and in my mother-in-law's apartment at a senior living complex that she & my father-in-law are residing at...

My wife & daughter wanted the luxury & convenience, & even necessity, of doing their clothes on vay-cay, while, me, I was just 'roughing it'...


-- Dave


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Post# 953799 , Reply# 6   8/21/2017 at 08:55 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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Merloni-Asko perhaps? That has nothing to do with the Whirlpool stuff. The Merloni that Asko belonged to was owned by Antonio Merloni. Whirlpool took over the Indesit company, that was owned by the Vittorio Merloni family. Asko in the meantime belongs to Gorenje in Slovenia since 2010.

Post# 953804 , Reply# 7   8/21/2017 at 09:29 by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        

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Hi Louis, Whirlpool is buying this dryer from Merloni-Asko, I know they do not build it, WP has been selling this machine in the US for around 10 years now. Originally they also sold the matching washer, then about 6 years ago they switched to a Chinese 24" washer which is the biggest POS that I have ever seen WP sell.

Post# 953807 , Reply# 8   8/21/2017 at 09:38 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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John, that is simply not possible. Antonio Merloni went bankrupt in 2008. Asko, at that moment owned by the Antonio Merloni group, was sold in that bankruptcy to Gorenje. Perhaps Whirlpool has bought parts from their suppliers?

Post# 953812 , Reply# 9   8/21/2017 at 10:08 by Combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        

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Hi Louis, I guess I have no idea who's building Them but it is still the Marone dryer and it still made in Italy attached are pictures of a 2013 Maytag that we've already scraped with a bad control and blower motor, and they're still selling them.

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Post# 953846 , Reply# 10   8/21/2017 at 12:27 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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At this moment we can only speculate who is making that dryer. Perhaps another company bought a production line up and makes the dryers now for Whirlpool. If there is an Italian member lurking here, perhaps he could shed a light on this.

Now about that second set, I have seen that dryer before, but for the life of me, I don't remember where.


Post# 953857 , Reply# 11   8/21/2017 at 13:28 by chetlaham (United States)        

@Combo, I really have a crush on those Italian made "Whirlpool" dryers. My understanding is that after the engineering changes the bugs were substantially corrected. I wish they built more dryers like that for the US market. I like the reverse tumble concept and the separate blower.

Post# 953903 , Reply# 12   8/21/2017 at 19:09 by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
WP- MT Italian Built Dryers

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Hi Chet, if you have a crush on these dryers come and get this one, we recycle a few of these every month.

 

I have seen ZERO improvements in these dryers since WP has been selling them, major problem areas are .

 

Door switches burning up, part $56

 

On- Off switch burned up part over $50

 

Main control failure [ part only ] cost $ 780

 

Thermal fuse on heater part $ 156

 

Blower motor $ 218

 

Main drum drive motor $ 218

 

And if they actually manage to last more than 5 years the front and rear drum bearings are usually shot.

 

And under the best of cases they are still noisy and slow dryers, I have seen nothing to convince me that reverse tumbling does anything except waste time and make the dryer slower overall.

 

John L.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Post# 953922 , Reply# 13   8/21/2017 at 21:12 by Maytag85 (25 miles from Idywild, 25 miles from Temecula. )        

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Those European dryers wear out faster, because there are more mechanical parts to go wrong, and they are cheaply made. I don't know why they use revering dryer drums in europe, it slows the drying process. The reason why they use revering drums is: 1.the dryer drum does not spin as fast, and there is a higher change of clothes tangling and balling up. 2. They use 50 hertz as their power frequency, which slows the motor down (I could be wrong about this) and does not allow for the motor to spin fast. US dryers have a drum that spins faster, which requires no reversing action.

Post# 953923 , Reply# 14   8/21/2017 at 21:13 by Maytag85 (25 miles from Idywild, 25 miles from Temecula. )        

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Those European dryers wear out faster, because there are more mechanical parts to go wrong, and they are cheaply made. I don't know why they use revering dryer drums in europe, it slows the drying process. The reason why they use revering drums is: 1.the dryer drum does not spin as fast, and there is a higher change of clothes tangling and balling up. 2. They use 50 hertz as their power frequency, which slows the motor down (I could be wrong about this) and does not allow for the motor to spin fast. US dryers have a drum that spins faster, which requires no reversing action.

Post# 953924 , Reply# 15   8/21/2017 at 21:21 by Maytag85 (25 miles from Idywild, 25 miles from Temecula. )        

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Apologies for the duplicate post! Ignore the duplicate post.

Post# 953931 , Reply# 16   8/21/2017 at 22:00 by earthling177 (Boston, MA)        

Sean:

Let me respectfully suggest to you that when you don't know things, wait a bit and see if anyone will tell you. Failing that, or, if you run out of patience, *ask* what the deal is.

This will have several good results: you learn fast, you appear interested in learning, you make friends.

When you just toss things in the air like you did, not only you tend to make many mistakes (which is what happens to everyone, really), but you appear under a very different light which is not kind to almost anyone.

Let's just review this thread so far: you mentioned that euro dryers were slow because they are mostly condenser dryers and that being vented is what makes American dryers faster. In reality, that right there in that picture is a *vented* dryer and euro dryers are slower because they use around 3,000 W instead of around 6,000 W like American dryers.

Then you mention they wear out faster because they have more parts. Ah, no. There are many dryers that have more parts here in US and last longer. How long a part lasts has a lot to do with how it was designed, manufactured and assembled. Just as a small point, many recalls in everything, from appliances to cars start because a batch got misassembled and a part wears out. A part can be designed and manufactured to last a lifetime or just 30 minutes of continuous use.

Let me just give you *one* small example: there are vacuum cleaners that are made and sold to last over 10 years, and they tend to cost over 150 dollars, for example, but you can find a bunch for less than $40 that will last a year or so. Sometimes, you get what you paid for. But sometimes you can overpay.

And let me suggest again that using the search feature in the website will do you a *ton* of good.

Yes, I get that you found a new website filled with things that are interesting to you and folks that share stuff you do.

But please don't repeat stuff like you did in this thread if you want to enjoy this site for years.

I'm not telling you this to ruin your day, by the way. I'm offering the data to you so you can avoid falling in the same pitfalls that some here have -- no one reads their posts anymore.

Good luck to you!
   -- Paulo.


Post# 953996 , Reply# 17   8/22/2017 at 09:09 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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"They use 50 hertz as their power frequency, which slows the motor down (I could be wrong about this) and does not allow for the motor to spin fast."

That's just too funny! We don't use the same motors anyway and if we would just a different pulley would solve the problem.

No, the reason many dryers here in Europe are reversing is because European dryers have smaller drums and it helps against laundry balling up. That's all.


Post# 954026 , Reply# 18   8/22/2017 at 11:41 by Maytag85 (25 miles from Idywild, 25 miles from Temecula. )        

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How many cubic ft would dryers be in Europe? I know that dryers in the US are 7-8 cubic feet in capacity, and have a big dryer drum.

Post# 954037 , Reply# 19   8/22/2017 at 12:44 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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Dryer size overhere is around 4 cu ft. Because our washers have a smaller capacity too, the size is ok for drying one load of laundry.

Post# 954040 , Reply# 20   8/22/2017 at 13:07 by henene4 (Germany)        

Anywhere from just below 4 to just above 4 cubic feet. In liters usually anywhere from 105l to 121l, though recently, most dryers are at the upper end of that scale.

Post# 954042 , Reply# 21   8/22/2017 at 13:18 by Maytag85 (25 miles from Idywild, 25 miles from Temecula. )        

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I have a Lady Kenmore portable dryer that is 4 cubic ft in capacity, and has a 1450 watt heater.

Post# 954043 , Reply# 22   8/22/2017 at 13:19 by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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'Course what I liked/loved about it was the fine fragrance of the detergent in the air!


-- Dave


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