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Post# 957754   9/16/2017 at 11:06 by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        

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One of the few European appliances I have genuinely missed here in the 'States is a spin-dryer. The vintage ones, though excellent, are nearly impossible to find over here and the first spin-dryers on offer were outrageously overpriced and poorly made.

This one got good reviews (the first attempt had a 100% failure rate) so I decided to take the plunge.

We're washing ten or so loads today, we'll see how it does.

One thing - this one has two lids plus the safety floppy and no timer. The shipping bar was also much easier to remove - I wonder if it's an updated version of what's on their website? We'll see, I guess!

 



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Post# 957770 , Reply# 1   9/16/2017 at 14:28 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Congrats

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Do keep us posted, as am sure many are interested.

Have an older LA spin dryer and it does the job well enough. But the plastic bits inside make a horrible racket if things aren't just the way machine likes. One either must put up with the noise, or shut things down, redistribute and start again.

Have spotted several vintage spin dryers lately, but they were all up north (Canada) and sellers wouldn't budge on doing a deal.

Am still holding out one day on possibly finding one of the smaller Bock or Montex extractors, but am not holding one's proverbial breath. You'd think Martha Stewart would give up hers at Skylands as am sure she (or rather her staff) rarely uses. *LOL*


Post# 957771 , Reply# 2   9/16/2017 at 14:43 by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

So Launderess, if one had a Miele W1918, would one of these be needed?

Thank you.


Post# 957778 , Reply# 3   9/16/2017 at 15:54 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Cannot speak about a Miele 1918

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But my AEG OKO-Lavamat spins at 1800rmps, and still prefer to use the spin dryer.

For one, and don't know if this is true but have heard slower final spin speeds mean longer washer life.

Two, unless washing an entire load of things that want "max extract" there usually are things in a wash load that one does not want subjected to high spin speeds. T-shirts and other knit undergarments, things made from elastic and or have elasticity properties.

The final high speed portion of the Lavamat cycle is only for the last few minutes anyway. Whereas with a spin dryer one can leave things long as one likes.

Do a fair amount of washing in tubs and it is easier to bung things into a spin dryer rather than mess about with either Miele or Lavamat.

Find oneself babying the Miele as Big Bertha is getting on, and after that last costly repair job (suspension), have been warned if she becomes ill again it will be terminal. So to save wear on suspension (and motor) for small loads and or others that know will cause unbalance issues, will wash and rinse without extraction then spin things out in spinner.


Post# 957795 , Reply# 4   9/16/2017 at 18:35 by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
First Impressions

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Pure cottons coming out of the GE Filter-Flo, normal spin (and it's a fast spin) - full load, just over or under 1 liter each for each of several loads.

That's a lot.

The thing of it is, the last little bit of water which the washer doesn't spin out is the toughest for the dryer to get rid of - simple physics, really - the less water goes into the dryer, the less water has to be removed.

What I like - the clearance between the spin basket and the walls of the spin dryer is enormous. It solves a lot of 'balance knocking' problems I remember from Germany. It also means, should something fly out of the basket, that I can reach in and pull it out easily without disassembly.

Very stable and spins up fast. Brakes fast.

Height is a big help - it's much taller than the spinners I had back home.

Quiet.

 

Dislikes:

All plastic. Not cheap plastic, not flimsy, but there's no question in my mind that this is not going to last indefinitely as the copper/stainless steel/zink spinners did in post-war Germany.

Hysterical American safety systems. Two lids, for goodness sake. Five warning decals. Five! When will American courts finally snap at freshly-minted survivors of a posthumous winner of the Darwin Award: "No award for you, you greedy twit. Someone that D-U-M won their Darwin fair and square."

 

 


Post# 957797 , Reply# 5   9/16/2017 at 18:43 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
IIRC A Member From Brazil

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Is or was heavily involved with this and other LA appliances. May have worked for the company and or R&D; some such, cannot recall.

Main benefit to one in having a larger spin dryer such as a Bock as opposed to the smaller LA is for doing bigger things like blankets and quilts.







Post# 957799 , Reply# 6   9/16/2017 at 18:48 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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When you consider there are scores of wäscheschleuder in Germany alone just begging for new homes. *LOL*

www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de...

You'd think someone would spot a hole in the market, pack up a few and sell them on in USA.


Post# 957805 , Reply# 7   9/16/2017 at 19:20 by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Laundress,

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So true. The weight is a big problem. There's also the 50/60Hz problem which their motors would confront here - they'd be running quite a bit faster than they were designed for if just hooked up to the 240V line or a transformer.

 

One thing I didn't mention - this basket is (relatively speaking) gigantic. An entire GE Filter-Flo load fits easily. That's one aspect of the German machines which would probably annoy Americans - it kind of aggravated me in Germany, actually. I had to fill the spinner at least twice to get everything spun out.

 

So, we will see. Right now, I'm feeling as if I got my money's worth. Still want to ask the company on Monday why I got this model and not the one with the timer and the 'lock twice' lid. May well be that that one was too complicated or trouble prone. 


Post# 957809 , Reply# 8   9/16/2017 at 20:02 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Oh I don't know

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That 50hz vs. 60hz difference has been spoken about at great length here in the group, and indeed one has passed up several spin dryers from Europe that arrived on this side of pond because of; however OTOH.....

A few members have purchased spin dryers that were *never* sold for North American market, and run perfectly fine on 60hz. Indeed since these were all used units they ran for years on same and apparently suffered no harm.

Currently aside from the Asian spin dryers, IIRC the only maker in Europe for years has been Thomas. Cannot say for certain but don't think they put 60hz motors in the versions that made their way over to North America sold under "Spin-X" and or later Laundry Alternative. Am assuming they are same because of design, build and other looks.

The other thing is if you add ten percent to the rated spin speed (usually around 2800 rpms) you get 3100 rpms. That is the difference between 50hz and 60hz, no?

Most of the European spin dryers one has seen thus far seem to be remarkably uncomplicated units. We're not talking a washing machine with a pump and or timer, not to mention electronics.


Post# 957812 , Reply# 9   9/16/2017 at 20:36 by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Right, Laundress -

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I'm just always paranoid about that much mass moving with that much energy...but, yeah - it's way past time the Americans caught up with the rest of the world.

And, yes - I do believe Thomas was, at the end, the sole maker. Except for some really awful Turkish stuff which either left the market or was improved. I don't honestly know the Herkunft of this unit.

Apropos the American safety insanity:

 


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Post# 957816 , Reply# 10   9/16/2017 at 21:05 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Well when you consder Bock was sued into the ground

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Over injuries that occurred with their extractors (up to and including a young boy who lost an arm), those safety warnings/devices seem pretty practical. After all the United States has more attorneys than any other nation on earth; someone or something has to keep them in shoe leather.



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Post# 957823 , Reply# 11   9/16/2017 at 21:24 by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Valid points, Laundress

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I just have always felt that the US hysteria over safety was absurd. Persecute gays and blacks and not provide health care, that's OK but spill a freshly brewed cup of McDonald's coffee on yourself and that's worth millions.

Does.Not.Compute.


Post# 957824 , Reply# 12   9/16/2017 at 21:39 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Well to be fair

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IIRC many early laundry extractors including those made by Bock had totally nil safety devices. The thing spun regardless if lid was opened or closed, if tub was in full speed or not.

Hoover twin tub washers were the same; you opened the lid and it only turned off power to the motor; but the can continued to coast down spinning.


Post# 957826 , Reply# 13   9/16/2017 at 21:47 by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Hah! Found out where it was made.

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Brazil. Says so on the nameplate. Which is written in Portuguese.

Cool.


Post# 957830 , Reply# 14   9/16/2017 at 22:05 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Yes, *think* member *thomasortega* had something to do with the company and or even this spin dryer. It's all in the archives.

Post# 957842 , Reply# 15   9/17/2017 at 07:43 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
Slower spin speed = longer life

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That indeed may well be the case.

I'm sure one of the UK members mentioned an old Servis frontloader in 'good nick', where the original owners never allowed the machine to spin the laundry, and instead decanted the washing to a spin dryer.

My brother and sister respectively, had 1100rpm and 1200rpm Candy machines. Both lasted 15 years.

I know of someone with an Indesit 850W (800-ish rpm). Apparently 20 years old!

And then there's me... AEG 1600rpm - lasted 3 years. Zanussi 1600rpm - 8 years. Panasonic 1600rpm - 7.5 years.

It'll be like stars in the galaxy: burn hot, blaze brightly = short life. But a dim, cool star lasts for billions of years longer.


Post# 957850 , Reply# 16   9/17/2017 at 09:06 by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
The amount of work done to increase from any given speed

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to another, higher speed is not a linear relationship, so, yeah - raising the speed from an innocuous 450 rpm to 1025 is going to either shorten the lifespan greatly or require tremendous improvements in the sensors and bearings and suspension and logic controls.

No surprise there - this is also why the 'high-speed' spins of this century are nearly universally only for a brief time and only after nearly all the water has been expelled and the load is balanced, at much lower speeds.

AEG had quite an interesting sales training on how a well-set up 800rpm spin removed much more water than their competitor's 1000 rpm spin and as much as the (at the time) radically new 1200 which (I think it was Candy) was offering. Not because 800 in and of itself is better at water removal, but because the duration at 1000 or 1200 was so limited and the out of balance triggers to keep the machine from self destructing at those speeds were, of necessity, so sensitive.

 

Anyway, this device is supposed to run at 1600rpm - which is a bit unusual to me, but, heh- stuff is sure drying much, much faster and the 'feel' is about the same as it seemed back home in my ancient 1800 rpm spinner and better than a copper 1200rpm washer/spinner did.

 

So far, I'm happy. My main interest is saving money on the drying, saving time on the drying and the vastly better soil/detergent removal of the higher speed.

 

I'm going to see if I can get some shots of the innards today.


Post# 957861 , Reply# 17   9/17/2017 at 11:18 by Maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)        
It looks like

it is a pump/hose one, or does it have a spout, requiring a Bouquet?



Enjoy!



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Post# 957866 , Reply# 18   9/17/2017 at 12:08 by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Spout.

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Extensible.


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Post# 957905 , Reply# 19   9/17/2017 at 19:15 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Am thinking there truly must be something to lower

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Spin speeds and long washer life.

When you look at various European eBay or whatever sites you often can find plenty of older front loaders from the 1970's, 1980's if not before that only spun at 900rpms or less still chugging along. OTOH much of the new stuff with high speed spins doesn't seem to last very long.

Reason one babies the Miele is because she has that big ole cast iron two part motor (separate portions for spin and wash tumble). Once that goes kaputt so is Big Bertha. MieleUSA no longer stocks such motors, and is most firm on they will not send a technician to even change the brushes as it requires hauling that heavy motor out of machine.

Decanting laundry from washer to extractor/spin dryer isn't that bad, but then am the sort of person who likes busy work. *LOL*


Post# 957911 , Reply# 20   9/17/2017 at 20:09 by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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I won't deny that higher spin speeds could reduce the life of a washer. But I have to wonder if a modern washer that was designed to spin at slower speeds would last as long as those old European machines that refuse to die...


Post# 957921 , Reply# 21   9/17/2017 at 21:34 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Well there is that....

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My old Miele is built like a tank compared to the younger AEG Oko-Lavamat.

Have been told many of the parts such as belt and shocks are commercial quality on the Miele. Whereas having looked inside the AEG, that clearly isn't true IMHO.

Think the main difference may come down to that washers of old had to be designed to take much more "abuse" if you will. This may be because modern electronic controls and or totally by computer weren't around.

The Miele makes several attempts to balance a wash load; once the timer says "enough" and or the limited parameters time out, it is off to the races. However the cast iron cradle, four heavy suspension springs and two big shocks likely absorb a good amount of the force and or can handle things to a point.

OTOH the AGE will mess about for what seems ages until it is "ready" to spin. If the load cannot be properly balanced it will either slow down or simply abort.


Post# 958343 , Reply# 22   9/20/2017 at 18:02 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Ok, guys, after a long time having no time to come here, my husband just called me and said somebody created a thread about the Mega.

Panthera, before you ask, the Mega is my little baby. I designed it from scratch.

The previous model (with a timer) was a PITA for me with literally hundreds of customers sending me messages complaining why the hell the timer takes 30 seconds to release the lid and asking me to teach them a way to make the unit operate with the lid open because they don't want to waste time (why bother about that silly safety first rule, right?)

The two lids are not a paranoia. It's the solution I found to protect the company from attorneys. It never happened to a Mega, but already happened to a competitor to be sued because of a BROKEN NAIL.
As the product design director for The Laundry Alternative, It's imperative that my projects are really safe (beyond UL standards) to protect the consumers, but also to protect the company. Unfortunately, nowadays, people are getting stupid (or too smart).

And believe it or not, if someday an user finds a way to bypass the lid lock timer, open the lid and suffer any injury for reaching the drum spinning, we would be still legally liable. For this reason, our attorneys instructed us to put the second lid, the quick reaction brake and the instruction "wait until the drum stops completely before opening the second lid."

The stickers (newer lot will come with 7 stickers, plus a huge orange paper sheet on the top of the unit, plus another paper sheet in the drum, plus an "origami" covering the power plug instructing clearly that the user should never open the second lid if the drum is not completely stopped.

One thing i can tell here (not directly in our website otherwise millenials would do crap and again blame us) If you have a floor drain, there's plug on the bottom of the unit. Just remove the plug and connect a regular washing machine drain hose (Home Depot). it drains by gravity with no need to pull the spout.

The unit also comes with an emergency drain (7 o'clock position) that goes off if you forget to pull the drain spout. it prevents water from reaching the motor.

The drum is not made of steel because it wouldn't be safe enough for the standards i wanted (specially after hearing about LG and Samsung explosions). For this reason i decided to use kevlar, the same polymer used to make bulletproof vests. It can literally resit a cal 380 bullet shot at 1 meter. (i did the crash-test myself)

If you have more questions, please feel free to contact me anytime by sending message here or to my direct email support@laundry-alternative.com.


Ps. In three weeks our SCAW2GEN model arrives... A fully automatic mini top load washer. I brought back several interesting features from vintage washers (remember a thread I created months ago?) mixed with modern features. The washer was 100% designed by me in Los Angeles. Among the features, it has a germicidal light, spin rinses (generous spray) and two deep rinses. I was very careful to make sure that absolutely nobody will complain it doesn't use water enough or the washer is smelly. The SCAW2GEN is made in our plant in china, but some vital components are made in the USA. (Pirelli, Askoll, Texas Instruments)

More to come. The Mega is the largest capacity household spin dryer ever made in the world... Of course I had to make a matching masher for it... The largest capacity semi-automatic washer ever built... The tub is so big it makes the Maytag Bravos XXl look like a little toy.

The Mini Countertop Spin Dryer and the Miniwash will be cancelled very soon. To replace them, I'm making a new platform (internal name is LAX)
It will have no impeller and no agitator. There will be three models under the same platform... washer only, spin dryer only, and washer/spin dryer semi automatic combo. Countertop, of course.

We're also preparing a new line of tumble dryers and an european size washer-dryer combo.


Post# 958346 , Reply# 23   9/20/2017 at 18:09 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

And we never stop...

What about a small mini front load washer/tumble dryer combo that you can install over the toilet? and you don't need to drill holes on the wall.

It will come with all the connectors to hook it up to the toilet water pipes (cold fill only, internal heater).... and the wash/rinse water will be stored to flush the toilet.

What could be better for tiny studios?


Post# 958348 , Reply# 24   9/20/2017 at 18:25 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

The Mega was designed to have 3200 RPM originally.

Our attorney said "no fucking way". So i had to dumb it down to 1600. The drum diameter and the drum holes "vacuum" pattern helps getting the best extraction results even being 40% slower than our competitor that uses only centrifugal force

By the way, Panthera. Are you aware that all our products come with a 3-year "hassle-free" warranty?

If something goes wrong, we will never try to fix a damaged unit. Instead, we will ship you a brand new unit, at absolutely no cost for you. No mess, no long wait, no "Speed Queen Drama" we all saw in other thread here.

Yep, The Laundry Alternative came to make noise.... And I joined the company to make even more noise.


Post# 958793 , Reply# 25   9/23/2017 at 20:03 by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Thomas,

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There's no question about it - you succeeded with this spin dryer! It has exceeded my every expectation.

I did notice the floor drain, thanks.

We've now done over twenty loads through it.

My observations:

There is a bit of a thumping in the back from the brake line hitting the vertical strip of plastic covering it. Not bad, but a bit of foam would have stopped that.

The drying time has been cut enormously, whether line dried or in the tumble dryer. Never less than half and in some cases nearly 3/4!

I can pack a full washing machine load into it - wonderful!

I took all the stupid decals off. I took the two red latches off of the inner lid - they're the only 'clunky' part of the machine and of no value. Anyone stupid enough to reach into a spinning dryer is an idiot and should be weeded out by winning the Darwin Award. I am not going to disassemble it (want to!) until I've had it for a while, in case there is an (not expecting it) error or failure requiring I use the warranty. That wouldn't be fair to Laundry Alternative.

 

All in all, I'd give it a  9 out of 10. Somebody who doesn't hate decals and hand-holding might well give it a 10 out of 10. 1600rpm really does seem to work as well as my German spin dryers running faster. I think you did an outstanding job and thank you! Anyone here who's wondering whether they're worth it - this one is.


Post# 958796 , Reply# 26   9/23/2017 at 20:26 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Thanks Panthera...

Thant noise is actually a silly manufacturing failure to be corrected on the next lot.

You can remove the side cover on the back and use 2 drops of hot glue or silicon. it will work much better than styrofoam to make the wiring harness stop vibrating.

Please never think about removing the three screws on the bottom and then swap the red and brown motor connectors to make it reach 3200 RPM. Once I had to dumb down the speed, i also reduced the brake pads size. so it will not brake so fast considering the higher speed and it would be against the F-word UL standards.

We are not liable for any accidents that may happen at 3.2krpm and it will void the warranty, so please never do that. ;)


Post# 958798 , Reply# 27   9/23/2017 at 20:36 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

The drum MUST stop in up to 6 seconds after the brakes activate. remember that rule, right?

The rev1, that had a timer, simply had a coast down portion. It would coast down for 35 seconds before the brake goes off. The code says clearly "after the brake goes off" so, it was easy to brake with the drum almost stopped.

Now that the brake goes off instantly after the top lid opens 2mm, i had to recalculate the brake pad to stop from 1600 rpm to 0 in up to 6 seconds, without making the whole spin dryer spin.

Solution: a primitive ABS. Brake pads that intentionally slip, braking without locking the shaft. That's why maybe you'll feel a vibration and hear a "knife noise" right when the brake goes off. It's the brake braking and releasing hundreds of times in a second.

It will not work at 3200 rpm.


Post# 958807 , Reply# 28   9/23/2017 at 21:45 by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
I wouldn't dream of it....

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Moi? I'm just an obedient little German. Never occur to me. Glad you warned me, though.

Gosh. Maybe you should add a decal warning people not to do that! 


Post# 958812 , Reply# 29   9/23/2017 at 22:06 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

You're German... I'm half German.... (mother side)

That's why i told you to never do that...


Ducks and runs


Now seriously.... If you want to do, it's on your responsibility...

I clearly warned you that it is dangerous and it will reduce the spin dryer life and void the warranty.
Also it will be dangerous, specially because it will be against the UL standards, so, officially, we're not liable for anything that happens.


Post# 958814 , Reply# 30   9/23/2017 at 22:08 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        


Did your unit come with the sticker "do not try to spin babies, children or pets like dogs, cats, rodents and birds"?


Post# 958815 , Reply# 31   9/23/2017 at 22:11 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

We had an incident with a customer who's son got his head stuck in the drum and the fire department had to cut the Mega.

Guess who contacted the company a few weeks later...


Post# 958821 , Reply# 32   9/23/2017 at 23:07 by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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When I was little I got my head stuck between the railing on my grandmother's front porch.  Maybe we should have called the company back then.  It doesn't mean the railing was defective.  Kids do stupid crap, period!  But parents now ALWAYS need someone ELSE to blame.  And if there could be money involved all the better. 


Post# 958826 , Reply# 33   9/23/2017 at 23:48 by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

"... and the wash/rinse water will be stored to flush the toilet."

Have you calculated how much water this would save? Bet it's more than is saved by these super "efficient" toilets given the number of times one has to flush twice.

[Don't get me started on the false savings of dishwashers and washers. If something doesn't come out clean it simply goes back for another cycle, thereby increasing the number of cycles run per unit time. But I digress.]

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IIRC, someone ran calculations/did experiments a few years back on the relationships among moisture removal, spin speed, and work/energy required. TBH, I forget the exact numbers but the relationship was something like this:

900 -> 1000rpm yielded x% more moisture removed and required x% more work
1000 -> 1100 yielded .9x more moisture and required 1.1x more work
1100 -> 1200 yielded .8x more and required 1.2x more
Etc.

Despite the diminishing returns, increase of spin speeds still results in a net energy savings up to a point, then the peak is reached and further spin speed increase results in a negative net savings.

All of this of course assumes that hundreds of real life variables (like replacement costs of the machines due to shortened life span) are actually constants.

I hope that made sense. If not I'll try again to explain...


Post# 958843 , Reply# 34   9/24/2017 at 03:27 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

"Have you calculated how much water this would save? Bet it's more than is saved by these super "efficient" toilets given the number of times one has to flush twice."

This is the very first thing I've thought. Think of a video conference i had with Kohler engineers saying "normal people don't poop ping pong balls", so we have to start with a decent flush using a different reference.

Most people think extraction is based only on drum diameter x spin speed.

It is more than possible to extract much more water if you don't use only the centrifugal force to "push" the water out of the clothes.

The best way is putting a The Laundry Alternative Nina Soft (1800rpm) side by side with a Panda Spin Dryer (3200 RPM) and comparing the results with exactly similar loads.

Panda has a wider drum and a much higher spin speed so, following the centrifugal force theory we all learned in junior high, it should extract much more water from the clothes.

Nope. The Nina extracts more water and is much safer if something goes wrong (drum failure) I won't even mention the energy efficiency, wear and tear and how a simple hole design made this huge difference possible.

Thank God the chinese engineers didn't discover this little secret yet.

When i was at Electrolux, I've made a low end model that spun at 550 RPM. It extracted more water than whatever American full size TOL HE top load washer at 1000 RPM. By the end of the spin cycle, people could see the dry spots on the clothes (usually sheets), so well spun the load was.


Post# 958844 , Reply# 35   9/24/2017 at 03:32 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Centrifugal force helps, but when you have a "shop vac" on each drum hole, the result is even better.

A well designed hole isn't just a hole. The hole pattern, shape and angle can make an enormous difference.


Post# 958853 , Reply# 36   9/24/2017 at 05:20 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
"hole pattern, shape and angle..."

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Agreed.

I've noticed in my latest machine that the small holes in Panasonic's 'Sazanami' drum do not appear to let away the water as efficiently as conventional holes.

The photo compares Panasonic's older conventional drum to their newer design.

In other words, when clothes have been removed at the end of the cycle, a small amount of water which has possibly gathered in the drum lifter dribbles out (about a teaspoonful), and pools in the bottom of the drum - directly over the drum holes! It does not drain away readily. Holes too small? Water tension too great?

I liked the 'thousands of holes' idea of the AEG I had years ago, though.


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Post# 958965 , Reply# 37   9/25/2017 at 02:52 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

yep....

Size isn't all... the angle the hles are made...

There's a certain manufacturer (USA) that tried to copy the idea without doing the homework. The holes are absurdly wrong and reduced the performance instead of improving it. Even worse, the drums are now more fragile.


Post# 959012 , Reply# 38   9/25/2017 at 09:04 by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
I'm curious about wrinkling

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Does packing into the smaller drum, then spinning at high speed set the wrinkles in clothing more?

I noticed more wrinkling of my dress shirts when I switched to a front loader. I don't know if it's the larger loads, or higher spin, but wrinkling is much more pronounced, but they do tend to soften in the dryer. I would assume The same would happen after being extracted, but just wondering if the wrinkles set a little deeper from the high speed spin? What are your experiences?


Wrinkling side note--I placed my daughter's comforter in one of those space bags this spring when I switched to the lighter weight bedspread. Went to get it out this weekend, and it was so wrinkled from being sucked flat all summer, I had to put it in the dryer to loosen wrinkles.


Post# 959014 , Reply# 39   9/25/2017 at 09:08 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

Iheartmaytag - Spinning your shirts at 800 rpm will make them less wrinkly, the higher the speed the more wrinkles they get. At least when using a FL

Post# 959028 , Reply# 40   9/25/2017 at 11:28 by RevvinKevin (Between Mickey Mouse & the Queen Mary (So. Cal.)        
Question for Keven or Thomas

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OK, since this "Mega" spinner no longer has an adjustable timer, does it spin for a predetermined time than stop, OR will it spin indefinitely as long as the lids are closed?

 

Thanks! 


Post# 959030 , Reply# 41   9/25/2017 at 11:33 by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Why would you put lightweight things in to spin at high speeds?


Post# 959055 , Reply# 42   9/25/2017 at 15:30 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Kevin, it spins "forever".... I mean, until you open the lid.

Post# 959136 , Reply# 43   9/25/2017 at 21:57 by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
A few notes.

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1) Heavy cottons require longer than five minutes for optimal extraction. Seven, when spun in a GE FilterFlo, 12 when spun in a Whirlpool BD.
2) As long as one doesn't 'span' the drum with delicate fabrics, all these worries about tearing are just that, worries. I've been drying silk in faster spinners for decades without problems.
3) It's probably obvious, but it's necessary to load the heaviest items at the bottom. Because of the wonderfully large outer case, the spinner can tolerate out-of-balance conditions well. Thomas' suspension design helps there, too.

I'm really quite happy with this unit. A suggestion: A basin to catch the water which fits inside the unit when not in use would be a useful addition. One could, of course, put two or three decals on it to remind users to remove it before use and drain it before storage :-)).


Post# 959143 , Reply# 44   9/25/2017 at 22:50 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
H-Axis washers, dress shirts and creases

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In general unless you are the sort of guy or girl that likes busy work, you want to not so heavily load the tub and or use low/gentle extraction for dress shirts.

You see this with the various "no iron" or whatever shirt programs on Miele, Lavamat and other European washing machines. Suggestion is to load drum to half or less capacity, and normally there are no spins between washing and rinsing. Final extraction is either short pulse spins or one quick one at high speed.

Believe what is wanting is high water levels in relation to load so things aren't so crammed inside tub.

IIRC manual for newer Miele washers recommends dress shirts to be spun at 800 or so rpms. Many dry cleaners/professional laundries also do not extract dress shirts long and or at high speeds.

Of course anyone who has done dress shirts in a Hoover twin tub will tell you what all that extracting at high speeds (in that small can) will do. Especially if you chose to "rinse" (if you can call it that) in the extractor instead of doing deep rinses.



Much of this will vary by textile; that is heavier weaves like broadcloth will crease less than say lighter weaves like poplin or percale.

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Post# 959168 , Reply# 45   9/26/2017 at 06:06 by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

I like my Creda's Cottons programme set at "C" and 115F for my perma-press shirts. It does not spin between the wash and first rinse, but then spins before each of the following three rinses, but at low speed. It gives good rinsing. The final spin can be either the high speed of 1000 rpm or the slower speed achieved by clicking the slow speed rocker switch. All wrinkles come out in the dryer, but if I am washing flannel shirts in the winter, I catch it between the preliminary spin and the final spin so that I can give them a few minutes in a hot dryer before putting them on hangers and pulling out all of the wrinkles while the fabric is relaxed and hot and heavy.  


Post# 959213 , Reply# 46   9/26/2017 at 08:00 by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
I've noticed

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That overloading anything - washer, spinner, dryer leads to massive wrinkles.

As does over-drying.

 

My AEG tumble-dryer in Germany back in the 1980's had an incredibly complicated sensor logic - all aimed at getting the clothes dry without going too far. Reverse tumbling, cool-downs, etc. It worked really, really well at preventing wrinkles. Laundress could answer this, I don't know - but my feeling is that washing heavy and light items together, small and large results in fewer wrinkles than washing all light items together in one load.

 

Of course, given our allergy to synthetics, we keep mangles and steam irons close to hand in our laundry room. To be honest, though, I'm not all that hysterical about wrinkles. My better half spends 30 minutes ironing clothes every morning, including the boxers.


Post# 959366 , Reply# 47   9/27/2017 at 01:36 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Overloading = instant karma... PERIOD.

Never, EVER, overload anything....

And avoid underloads as much as you can too.


Post# 959376 , Reply# 48   9/27/2017 at 06:14 by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Every so many years when I call the parts place in Texas for motor brushes for the Creda, the guy tells me that it will keep running as long as I don't overload it and put stress on the tub bearings. Since all I use it for is shirts once a week, it's probably OK. Which is harder on the brushes, tumbling or spinning? If it's spinning, I can do the final spin in something else.


Post# 959378 , Reply# 49   9/27/2017 at 07:43 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
My older Miele W1070

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Is preferred for shirts because it does not spin until after third rinse (short pulse), then one full spin (at 900 rpms) for a few minutes between third and fourth. After the series of graduated spins comes the final (900 or 1100 rpms), but here is the neat thing; if you advance the timer at a certain point slightly, it will stop the spin cycle and go to "fluff" then off.

Depending upon the dress shirt material (or whatever else is being washed), may just allow a short one-two minute spin at 900rpms, then finish. That seems to make give just the right extraction without much creasing.

Under loading:

Neither the Miele nor Oko-Lavamat like it much when on "Normal/Cottons/Linens", though the latter is better equipped to deal with the situation.

The Miele lacking a truly sophisticated drum balance and rhythm control will bang and clang if it cannot redistribute small loads properly. OTOH AEG will often get things right; it may take ages of balancing and redistribution, but never the less...

In fact one of reasons went looking for a Maytag wringer washer was to avoid issues of drum unbalance and stress caused. Again after shelling out over $300 to repair the suspension system on Miele, don't want to be doing that again anytime soon.

Now the Laundry Alternative spin dryer is another matter.

If load is not balanced the thing will shake, which one can live with; what cannot stand is the rattling and noise caused by plastic bits inside lid. Sounds like marbles being thrown about.


Post# 959422 , Reply# 50   9/27/2017 at 12:05 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Rattling noise

2 possible causes.

1) The emergency drain has a siphon cap (just like a fabric softener dispenser, but huge). As FedEx is very "gentle" with the boxes, sometimes it can fall during the shipping.

You don't need to "open" the spin dryer to fix it... simply push the drum towards the back of the unit, put your arm between the drum and the top cover until you reach the bottom, then bend the whole spin dryer to the front... the cap will fall right on your hand.
Near the 6 o'clock position you will see the emergency drain. just push the cap on it. Don't push too much or it will reduce the tolerance before the emergency drain goes off and it will go off if you spin a duvet or a full load of towels dripping wet. and make a mess on your floor.

I designed the emergency drain to go off only if the water can't be drained fast enough (for example you forget to pull the spout) and it could end up falling on the motor.


2) the wiring harness on the back. Simply remove the cover and 1) stick the cable back to it's adhesive double sided tape or 2) stick the cable with a large drop of hot glue every 2 or 3 inches.


Post# 959434 , Reply# 51   9/27/2017 at 13:08 by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
Brakes on spin dryers

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All of our major twin tub manufacturers back in the 80's came up with either a brake that when applied could not be reset unless the lid was opened and re-closed this was Hotpoints answer you pressed the lid release and waited till the machine had stopped spinning and then pressed it again to open the lid. Hoover brought out a similar device you lifted the latch and it braked to a stand still then lifted it a second time to open the lid all this is a bit of a faff but Servis did the double lid which by the time you raised the first lid and had to deal with the catch for the second the spinner was stationary so you could not get your hands in while it was moving. I have a Servis 108 that I have removed the inner lid because it quite simply is annoying. I have yet to get around Hoover double latch device and as for Hotpoint I just a spoon to prise the lid up the spinner stops and I can start the rinse much quicker without waiting and oh yes I am not quite daft enough to put my hand in whilst its spinning I went to school with a lad who did just that and still has a hook for a right arm as back in 60's the spinners did not have safety devices to prevent such accidents.

Ps I have a Miele W4449 which is a fantastic washer and has all the features mentioned above like dress shirt cycle which only spins at 600 where as cottons get the full 1600 spin. I have had 1600 spin machines before but the time they took to get to the spin used make me see red but this beauty does not worry about being balanced as Launderess says they just get on with it and go to full tilt regardless of balance issues it will abort it if too out of balance but it never complains about spinning towels and bath mats as these are heavy I had an LG before it sent me crazy never spinning and more often than not just going to the end of the cycle and leave things dripping !! So good old Miele built like a tank and as quiet and dependable as you wish. I do like using the twin tubs now and then just for the fun of it but I have to say the towels take just as long from a 2.300 rpm spin as they do from a 1600.....


Post# 959436 , Reply# 52   9/27/2017 at 13:25 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        



About the 2nd lid. This model is also sold in Brazil, so it has to be compliant to the INMETRO and ABNT standards (the Brazilian version of UL).

They are so picky and exaggerated with the safety (more than UL) that, no matter what or how fast the brakes can stop the drum, there must be extra steps before the user can reach the drum to create a natural delay.

The second lid came as a solution to the timer situation. Customers were pissed off because the timer would take almost 3 minutes to unlock the lid, even if you unplug the unit. So the solution was adding the second lid, so when the user opens the first lid and the brakes instantly go off and start stopping the drum and the few seconds "wasted" to unlock the two latches and lift the second lid is more than enough for the drum to stop.


Post# 959466 , Reply# 53   9/27/2017 at 16:20 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Hi Thomas

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We have an older unit of the LA spin dryer:

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It only makes the god awful racket when load is unbalanced, otherwise when things are smooth as silk, the thing is rather quiet.

If it is late and worried about waking people up will abort spin and redistribute. Otherwise for the three or so minutes will just put up with the noise. After all coming from using a Hoover twin tub am rather use noise. *LOL*


Post# 959607 , Reply# 54   9/28/2017 at 13:47 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
Gravity Drain

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What's with the obsession to gravity drain?!

Wouldn't it be 'oh so much more convenient' to have it pumped out via a hose?

After all, Hoover and Creda managed it donkey's years ago.


Post# 959608 , Reply# 55   9/28/2017 at 13:48 by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
Gravity drain

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I would guess is better, because it is simpler. You don't have the added components of a pump, hoses etc.

Post# 959609 , Reply# 56   9/28/2017 at 13:59 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        

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With pumped drain, it is possible to rinse in the spinner (Hoover Spinarinse).

And you wouldn't have the hassle of buckets and bending down to lift them either.


Post# 959654 , Reply# 57   9/28/2017 at 16:17 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
What's with the obsession to gravity drain?!

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Simple, one less thing to break down and or that wear out.

Then there is the same as with commercial washing machines; using a dump valve/drain means water/suds can be extracted fully and at force without having to worry about a pump being overwhelmed by too much water/suds at once.

Portability of spin dryers/extractors is enhanced as they can be placed anywhere, not just near a sink. This is a boon when having to deal with laundry that is in various stages of wet; from sopping to stages of wrung out.

Keep in mind also just having a pump is no panacea. If you've read owner's manuals for nearly all washing machines there is a maximum distance and height the pump is capable of pushing water.

Oh and with a pump/hose you'd have to find ways to drain whatever water is not pushed into drain and remains in hose before putting away. One just tips spin dryer over slightly, allow whatever water remaining to drain, then that is that.


Post# 959769 , Reply# 58   9/29/2017 at 04:04 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Let's simplify things?

Gravity drain:

2 more workers at the production line
More parts to be produced (in this case outsurced by Askoll, the only pump I trust)

Average $20 added to the final product price.

In a country that we have to compete with Chinese crap and people that simply care about the price tag, it would be a disaster.

it is really, really difficult when I go to Amazon or Walmart and I see the Nina or Mega right next to "xing ling" and "bling blong" products that cost 50% less.

And nowadays, believe it or not, some customers would complain because of the residual water left in the drain hose. (It's impossible to pump everything out). In a product that most of the times is used in the kitchen and stored in a closet.

The retractable drain spout was created because people complained about the drain spout on a previous model (2 inches protuberance). If I add a drain hose, the millenials will probably burn me like Joan of arc.


Post# 959770 , Reply# 59   9/29/2017 at 04:19 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Update:

New sticker on the lid:

"Cut and remove completely both plastic ties and the metal bar from the bottom of the unit, otherwise, this unit WILL NOT WORK AT ALL.

Thank you for calling the laundry alternative, this is Thomas, how can I assist you?

I just received my spin dryer and it arrived damaged.

Ok ma'am, what is the model? would you please describe the problem?

It's a Mega. I just unpacked it, i turned it on, i can hear the motor humming, but the drum doesn't spin.

Ma'am, did you read the stickers on the top of the unit? Did you remove completely the two plastic ties and the metal bar from the bottom of the unit?

Ah... eh... hum... Oh yes, the sticker says the unit will not work if i don't remove the ties and the metal bar... do I really need to do that?


(rolling eyes)

Yes, ma'am, you MUST do that, otherwise your unit will never work.

Ah, ok... hold on a second...

30 seconds later i hear the whistle. customer comes back to the phone.

Oh yes, it's working.. you're a genius! Thank you!

(roling eyes again, time to catch the nail file and start grinding my fingers because there are no more nails left) You're welcome! Is there anything else I can do for you this morning?

No, that's all! Thank you very much!

You're welcome, have an excellent day! Bye bye!


I am almost sure the same customer will call me tomorrow screaming and saying the spin dryer is leaking water from that "crack" right in front of the unit, because she didn't know she must pull the drain spout.


Post# 959775 , Reply# 60   9/29/2017 at 05:08 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
"she didn't know she must pull drain spout"

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Exactly. Because she was expecting a pumped version with drain hose.

Having a little water in the sump of the pumped spinner is surely not a big deal? It'll keep the seals moist. Prevent them drying out.

I'll bet with the gravity drain version, you'll get enterprising customers who'll try to pour a bucket of water over the load, then spin it out. That might work if they have a floor drain. If they're using a bucket to catch the water, cue overflow.

Regarding pumped height:
I'm quite sure British and European users of pumped drainage machines have more than enough experience of pumping out via a hose into the kitchen sink. No problem there.


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Post# 959780 , Reply# 61   9/29/2017 at 06:10 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

It's impossible to compare British (or Brazilian) customers that are used to spin dryers to Americans.... Specially millennials.

Almost every day we receive emails of people saying it's false advertising because it doesn't "dry" the clothes completely.
I am even studying the possibility of simply change the name to "clothes centrifuge", because the word "dryer" makes millennials understand the clothes will come out 100% dry, fluffy, warm, probably ironed and folded.
Regarding the hose/pump, first there is the cost situation. the competition is really tight. not only the production costs, but also the shipping costs are higher. Also, thinking better now, when you said "rinse", the cost isn't only the pump. it involves several internal components and redesign the sump, with a seal... then add the seal, one more part to fail, blah, blah, blah, open new molds (absurd cost), then make the pump fit in the body (there's no space for it, so add 1 or 2 inches to the product height, then it will change the container layout and probably one layer of boxes won't fit (container is on the limit), so the shipping cost (Brazil-USA) per unit will be higher. If I add a pump i can estimate probably more $60 or $70 to the MSRP, not only $20. And profit margin the same, minimal.

If i have a spin dryer that costs 200 and has a drain pump and comes with 3-year full warranty and a competitor (chinese crap) that costs 198 and no drain pump and come with an incredible 90-day warranty, because of silly $2, customers will buy the inferior model.

So drain pump is a giant no, no, no F-word present continuous way.

Most people that buy at amazon don't read the product description they just read the tile, some description and hit add to cart. Then they return saying it wasn't what they're wanting to buy.

The second reason is the hose itself... people think it is a horrible, absurd, outrageous chore to clamp a hose and also if they have a hose hanging on the product. Everybody here knows how a regular spin dryer spout is... we have hundreds of emails and call logs from customer complaining about the previous model LD 6.3, because the spout was taking "an absurd space" in their closets... Imagine if I add a hose... gosh, they will come to my office only to shoot my head.

People complain about everything they can. It was created an image that the customer is not only always right, but they MUST find a reason to complain only because they are paying.

Please go to amazon and read the reviews... specially the negative ones. And get ready, because your eyes are going to roll a lot.

Remember this is a country that had to invent tide pods because dosing detergent will make an arm fall. Here we even have a "scent-free" scent booster (downy unstoppables) and people buy. (and then complain the perfume is not strong.)

Now tell me, why would somebody use a scent "booster" that is scent free?


WonderWash... our best seller ever... non electric, hand crank washing machine... at least once a week i receive an email with an innovative idea: add an electric motor to the WonderWash. Gosh, how could i be so dumb? Why didn't I think about it before? I should have learned that if i add an electric motor to a non electric washing machine people wont have to spin a crank... Should I also include automatic fill and drain? Maybe a spin cycle? Why not 48 different cycles and 20 different water levels? Maybe add a IOT feature? great... a WIFI wonderwash that you can control using an app on your phone (and also compatible with Alexa and Siri, of course)


Post# 959781 , Reply# 62   9/29/2017 at 06:23 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

Rolls_rapide - I've been looking at the Indesit ISDP429 Spin Dryer with pump it's around £150 at the moment and does a whopping 2800rpm, might get it as an early b-day gift or Christmas present for my self 


Post# 959782 , Reply# 63   9/29/2017 at 06:23 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

other factor...

rinsing in a spin dryer is "odd" here... Over 90% of customers use our spin dryers as a booster for their washing machines, so they can cut the tumble drying costs.

Clothes already come out spun from their automatic washers... they just need/want to take the last drops of water from the load.


Post# 959783 , Reply# 64   9/29/2017 at 06:24 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

Well in UK people who hand wash use the spin dryer to rinse as well


Post# 959797 , Reply# 65   9/29/2017 at 09:14 by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Speaking as a German living in the US

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I can only second what Thomas is saying. You folks in the UK and Ireland, the rest of us in Europe have no clue, not a clue just how many people in this country would be considered functionally illiterate back home.

Seriously, you really, truly have no idea. Everything Thomas is saying is an exact echo of what the engineers at B/S/H told me about the North American market when I was translating for them a few years back. Exactly. Completely.

 

Yesterday, I put in a new garage door opener. My customer had just bought the house, was given an allowance at closing for several items which failed the walk-through. This was one of them. Since money was tight, she offered to work with me to save $50.00. I said OK. So, we start work...and notice the power to the garage is off at the Main Disconnect. Hmm, she said - you don't suppose?

 

We took a thorough look at everything to make sure there was not going to be a flash! bang! garage on fire situation then flipped the switch.

 

Ta-da! Door opener worked.

 

We did change it out, in the end - and before somebody comments that maybe it was flipping the circuit breaker, note, please, I said Main Disconnect, not circuit breaker or fuse........

 

Took my car in for an oil change week before last. Told the servicing in-duh-vi-dual not to check the automatic transmission fluid. This particular model uses a special fluid and I didn't want them to 'top it off' with DexronV or some such....

So, what's the first thing the do in the garage (I'm watching from the doorway)? They reach in to pull the transmission dipstick.....................

 

So, yeah - my dear European and UK/Irish friends: Give Thomas a break. Unless you've actually lived amongst these people, you haven't a clue. Oh, right - nearly forgot. We're talking about the people who just elected that Scottish guy president, the one with the hair and the tiny hands. Do you really need any more examples?


Post# 959803 , Reply# 66   9/29/2017 at 09:45 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great product for someone who's intentions are just to extract more water from their washed laundry


Post# 959807 , Reply# 67   9/29/2017 at 10:09 by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
Pardon!!! OK, Well. . .

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It is rather rude to judge an entire tree by a few apples that didn't ripen.



Post# 959809 , Reply# 68   9/29/2017 at 10:31 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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Let's say it's a big tree that carries a lot of fruit. ;-)

My favourite quote from a manual is from GE:

What is not covered:

One being: Ŷ Damage to the product caused by accident, fire, floods or acts of God.

You'd never see that in a European manual!


Post# 959813 , Reply# 69   9/29/2017 at 11:01 by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
That is CYOA

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You specifically list what you won't cover in a warranty, otherwise anything can and will be used against you . A warranty should cover defects, damages should be indemnified through a casualty insurance.

And up until some Dotard (I love that word)put the cruise control on their Ford powered Winnebago and went back to have lunch the Ford manual didn't read "Do Not Leave The Driving Position While The Vehicle Is In Operation." That still doesn't mean an entire country is stupid. It means someone got themselves a very smart attorney.

The couple in the Ford suit were actually very, very wealthy before the Ford Settlement. However, it would still be difficult to over-generalize an entire nation based upon a few court cases.





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Post# 959842 , Reply# 70   9/29/2017 at 16:01 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
True

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There is no accounting for people's stupidity. It does make you wonder where it's all going to end...!

Anyway, good luck with the spin dryer.


Regarding the Indesit spinner:
Somebody, possibly a UK member on here, (don't know for sure) said the quality was not a patch on the older Creda version. I dare say it would be fine for occasional use, such as when the washing machine fails to spin awkward loads.


Post# 959870 , Reply# 71   9/29/2017 at 19:32 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Things not covered by warranty!

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Recall reading something on internet that a washing machine's warranty was voided by infestation of rodents and or roaches.

Didn't bookmark the thing and cannot recall link, but IIRC the appliances may have been intended for certain Asian markets.


Post# 959872 , Reply# 72   9/29/2017 at 19:35 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
When I was little I got my head stuck between the railing ..

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Don't mean to laugh, but at once thought of Miss. Julia Sugarbaker and the "Abbott" banister.



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Post# 959931 , Reply# 73   9/30/2017 at 15:01 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
infestation of rodents and or roaches

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Yes, I came across installation videos of top loaders bound for the likes of India, where the installer was instructed to fix the 'rat/roach guard' into place on the bottom of the machine.

I wonder how many folk actually do fit the thing.

The guard probably wasn't fitted at the factory, because the moulded polystyrene packing base protected and supported the machine's innards during transit.


Post# 960336 , Reply# 74   10/3/2017 at 01:09 by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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Launderess I remember that episode too! 





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