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Thread Number: 72478
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Post# 957754 9/16/2017 at 11:06 (2,406 days old) by panthera  (Rocky Mountains) |
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 One of the few European appliances I have genuinely missed here in the 'States is a spin-dryer. The vintage ones, though excellent, are nearly impossible to find over here and the first spin-dryers on offer were outrageously overpriced and poorly made. This one got good reviews (the first attempt had a 100% failure rate) so I decided to take the plunge. We're washing ten or so loads today, we'll see how it does. One thing - this one has two lids plus the safety floppy and no timer. The shipping bar was also much easier to remove - I wonder if it's an updated version of what's on their website? We'll see, I guess!
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Post# 957770 , Reply# 1 9/16/2017 at 14:28 (2,406 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Congrats
Do keep us posted, as am sure many are interested.
Have an older LA spin dryer and it does the job well enough. But the plastic bits inside make a horrible racket if things aren't just the way machine likes. One either must put up with the noise, or shut things down, redistribute and start again. Have spotted several vintage spin dryers lately, but they were all up north (Canada) and sellers wouldn't budge on doing a deal. Am still holding out one day on possibly finding one of the smaller Bock or Montex extractors, but am not holding one's proverbial breath. You'd think Martha Stewart would give up hers at Skylands as am sure she (or rather her staff) rarely uses. *LOL* | ||
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Post# 957771 , Reply# 2 9/16/2017 at 14:43 (2,406 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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So Launderess, if one had a Miele W1918, would one of these be needed? Thank you. | ||
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Post# 957778 , Reply# 3 9/16/2017 at 15:54 (2,406 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Cannot speak about a Miele 1918
But my AEG OKO-Lavamat spins at 1800rmps, and still prefer to use the spin dryer.
For one, and don't know if this is true but have heard slower final spin speeds mean longer washer life. Two, unless washing an entire load of things that want "max extract" there usually are things in a wash load that one does not want subjected to high spin speeds. T-shirts and other knit undergarments, things made from elastic and or have elasticity properties. The final high speed portion of the Lavamat cycle is only for the last few minutes anyway. Whereas with a spin dryer one can leave things long as one likes. Do a fair amount of washing in tubs and it is easier to bung things into a spin dryer rather than mess about with either Miele or Lavamat. Find oneself babying the Miele as Big Bertha is getting on, and after that last costly repair job (suspension), have been warned if she becomes ill again it will be terminal. So to save wear on suspension (and motor) for small loads and or others that know will cause unbalance issues, will wash and rinse without extraction then spin things out in spinner. | ||
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Post# 957795 , Reply# 4 9/16/2017 at 18:35 (2,406 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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First Impressions Pure cottons coming out of the GE Filter-Flo, normal spin (and it's a fast spin) - full load, just over or under 1 liter each for each of several loads. That's a lot. The thing of it is, the last little bit of water which the washer doesn't spin out is the toughest for the dryer to get rid of - simple physics, really - the less water goes into the dryer, the less water has to be removed. What I like - the clearance between the spin basket and the walls of the spin dryer is enormous. It solves a lot of 'balance knocking' problems I remember from Germany. It also means, should something fly out of the basket, that I can reach in and pull it out easily without disassembly. Very stable and spins up fast. Brakes fast. Height is a big help - it's much taller than the spinners I had back home. Quiet.
Dislikes: All plastic. Not cheap plastic, not flimsy, but there's no question in my mind that this is not going to last indefinitely as the copper/stainless steel/zink spinners did in post-war Germany. Hysterical American safety systems. Two lids, for goodness sake. Five warning decals. Five! When will American courts finally snap at freshly-minted survivors of a posthumous winner of the Darwin Award: "No award for you, you greedy twit. Someone that D-U-M won their Darwin fair and square."
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Post# 957797 , Reply# 5 9/16/2017 at 18:43 (2,406 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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IIRC A Member From Brazil | ||
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Post# 957799 , Reply# 6 9/16/2017 at 18:48 (2,406 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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When you consider there are scores of wäscheschleuder in Germany alone just begging for new homes. *LOL*
www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de... You'd think someone would spot a hole in the market, pack up a few and sell them on in USA. | ||
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Post# 957805 , Reply# 7 9/16/2017 at 19:20 (2,406 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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Laundress, So true. The weight is a big problem. There's also the 50/60Hz problem which their motors would confront here - they'd be running quite a bit faster than they were designed for if just hooked up to the 240V line or a transformer.
One thing I didn't mention - this basket is (relatively speaking) gigantic. An entire GE Filter-Flo load fits easily. That's one aspect of the German machines which would probably annoy Americans - it kind of aggravated me in Germany, actually. I had to fill the spinner at least twice to get everything spun out.
So, we will see. Right now, I'm feeling as if I got my money's worth. Still want to ask the company on Monday why I got this model and not the one with the timer and the 'lock twice' lid. May well be that that one was too complicated or trouble prone. | ||
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Post# 957809 , Reply# 8 9/16/2017 at 20:02 (2,406 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Oh I don't know
That 50hz vs. 60hz difference has been spoken about at great length here in the group, and indeed one has passed up several spin dryers from Europe that arrived on this side of pond because of; however OTOH.....
A few members have purchased spin dryers that were *never* sold for North American market, and run perfectly fine on 60hz. Indeed since these were all used units they ran for years on same and apparently suffered no harm. Currently aside from the Asian spin dryers, IIRC the only maker in Europe for years has been Thomas. Cannot say for certain but don't think they put 60hz motors in the versions that made their way over to North America sold under "Spin-X" and or later Laundry Alternative. Am assuming they are same because of design, build and other looks. The other thing is if you add ten percent to the rated spin speed (usually around 2800 rpms) you get 3100 rpms. That is the difference between 50hz and 60hz, no? Most of the European spin dryers one has seen thus far seem to be remarkably uncomplicated units. We're not talking a washing machine with a pump and or timer, not to mention electronics. | ||
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Post# 957812 , Reply# 9 9/16/2017 at 20:36 (2,406 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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Right, Laundress - I'm just always paranoid about that much mass moving with that much energy...but, yeah - it's way past time the Americans caught up with the rest of the world. And, yes - I do believe Thomas was, at the end, the sole maker. Except for some really awful Turkish stuff which either left the market or was improved. I don't honestly know the Herkunft of this unit. Apropos the American safety insanity:
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Post# 957816 , Reply# 10 9/16/2017 at 21:05 (2,406 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Well when you consder Bock was sued into the ground
Over injuries that occurred with their extractors (up to and including a young boy who lost an arm), those safety warnings/devices seem pretty practical. After all the United States has more attorneys than any other nation on earth; someone or something has to keep them in shoe leather.
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Post# 957823 , Reply# 11 9/16/2017 at 21:24 (2,406 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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Valid points, Laundress | ||
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Post# 957824 , Reply# 12 9/16/2017 at 21:39 (2,406 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Well to be fair
IIRC many early laundry extractors including those made by Bock had totally nil safety devices. The thing spun regardless if lid was opened or closed, if tub was in full speed or not.
Hoover twin tub washers were the same; you opened the lid and it only turned off power to the motor; but the can continued to coast down spinning. | ||
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Post# 957826 , Reply# 13 9/16/2017 at 21:47 (2,406 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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Hah! Found out where it was made. | ||
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Post# 957830 , Reply# 14 9/16/2017 at 22:05 (2,406 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 957850 , Reply# 16 9/17/2017 at 09:06 (2,405 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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The amount of work done to increase from any given speed to another, higher speed is not a linear relationship, so, yeah - raising the speed from an innocuous 450 rpm to 1025 is going to either shorten the lifespan greatly or require tremendous improvements in the sensors and bearings and suspension and logic controls. No surprise there - this is also why the 'high-speed' spins of this century are nearly universally only for a brief time and only after nearly all the water has been expelled and the load is balanced, at much lower speeds. AEG had quite an interesting sales training on how a well-set up 800rpm spin removed much more water than their competitor's 1000 rpm spin and as much as the (at the time) radically new 1200 which (I think it was Candy) was offering. Not because 800 in and of itself is better at water removal, but because the duration at 1000 or 1200 was so limited and the out of balance triggers to keep the machine from self destructing at those speeds were, of necessity, so sensitive.
Anyway, this device is supposed to run at 1600rpm - which is a bit unusual to me, but, heh- stuff is sure drying much, much faster and the 'feel' is about the same as it seemed back home in my ancient 1800 rpm spinner and better than a copper 1200rpm washer/spinner did.
So far, I'm happy. My main interest is saving money on the drying, saving time on the drying and the vastly better soil/detergent removal of the higher speed.
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| Post# 957861 , Reply# 17 9/17/2017 at 11:18 (2,405 days old) by Maytagbear (N.E. Ohio) | ||
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It looks like it is a pump/hose one, or does it have a spout, requiring a Bouquet? Enjoy! Lawrence/Maytagbear | ||
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Post# 957866 , Reply# 18 9/17/2017 at 12:08 (2,405 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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Spout.
Extensible.
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Post# 957905 , Reply# 19 9/17/2017 at 19:15 (2,405 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Am thinking there truly must be something to lower
Spin speeds and long washer life.
When you look at various European eBay or whatever sites you often can find plenty of older front loaders from the 1970's, 1980's if not before that only spun at 900rpms or less still chugging along. OTOH much of the new stuff with high speed spins doesn't seem to last very long. Reason one babies the Miele is because she has that big ole cast iron two part motor (separate portions for spin and wash tumble). Once that goes kaputt so is Big Bertha. MieleUSA no longer stocks such motors, and is most firm on they will not send a technician to even change the brushes as it requires hauling that heavy motor out of machine. Decanting laundry from washer to extractor/spin dryer isn't that bad, but then am the sort of person who likes busy work. *LOL* | ||
| Post# 957911 , Reply# 20 9/17/2017 at 20:09 (2,405 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
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Post# 957921 , Reply# 21 9/17/2017 at 21:34 (2,405 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Well there is that....
My old Miele is built like a tank compared to the younger AEG Oko-Lavamat.
Have been told many of the parts such as belt and shocks are commercial quality on the Miele. Whereas having looked inside the AEG, that clearly isn't true IMHO. Think the main difference may come down to that washers of old had to be designed to take much more "abuse" if you will. This may be because modern electronic controls and or totally by computer weren't around. The Miele makes several attempts to balance a wash load; once the timer says "enough" and or the limited parameters time out, it is off to the races. However the cast iron cradle, four heavy suspension springs and two big shocks likely absorb a good amount of the force and or can handle things to a point. OTOH the AGE will mess about for what seems ages until it is "ready" to spin. If the load cannot be properly balanced it will either slow down or simply abort. | ||
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Post# 958346 , Reply# 23 9/20/2017 at 18:09 (2,402 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula) |
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And we never stop... What about a small mini front load washer/tumble dryer combo that you can install over the toilet? and you don't need to drill holes on the wall. It will come with all the connectors to hook it up to the toilet water pipes (cold fill only, internal heater).... and the wash/rinse water will be stored to flush the toilet. What could be better for tiny studios? | ||
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Post# 958793 , Reply# 25 9/23/2017 at 20:03 (2,399 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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Thomas, There's no question about it - you succeeded with this spin dryer! It has exceeded my every expectation. I did notice the floor drain, thanks. We've now done over twenty loads through it. My observations: There is a bit of a thumping in the back from the brake line hitting the vertical strip of plastic covering it. Not bad, but a bit of foam would have stopped that. The drying time has been cut enormously, whether line dried or in the tumble dryer. Never less than half and in some cases nearly 3/4! I can pack a full washing machine load into it - wonderful! I took all the stupid decals off. I took the two red latches off of the inner lid - they're the only 'clunky' part of the machine and of no value. Anyone stupid enough to reach into a spinning dryer is an idiot and should be weeded out by winning the Darwin Award. I am not going to disassemble it (want to!) until I've had it for a while, in case there is an (not expecting it) error or failure requiring I use the warranty. That wouldn't be fair to Laundry Alternative.
All in all, I'd give it a 9 out of 10. Somebody who doesn't hate decals and hand-holding might well give it a 10 out of 10. 1600rpm really does seem to work as well as my German spin dryers running faster. I think you did an outstanding job and thank you! Anyone here who's wondering whether they're worth it - this one is. | ||
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Post# 958807 , Reply# 28 9/23/2017 at 21:45 (2,399 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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I wouldn't dream of it.... | ||
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Post# 958812 , Reply# 29 9/23/2017 at 22:06 (2,399 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula) |
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You're German... I'm half German.... (mother side) That's why i told you to never do that... Ducks and runs Now seriously.... If you want to do, it's on your responsibility... I clearly warned you that it is dangerous and it will reduce the spin dryer life and void the warranty. Also it will be dangerous, specially because it will be against the UL standards, so, officially, we're not liable for anything that happens. | ||
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Post# 958814 , Reply# 30 9/23/2017 at 22:08 (2,399 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula) |
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Did your unit come with the sticker "do not try to spin babies, children or pets like dogs, cats, rodents and birds"? | ||
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Post# 958815 , Reply# 31 9/23/2017 at 22:11 (2,399 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula) |
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We had an incident with a customer who's son got his head stuck in the drum and the fire department had to cut the Mega. Guess who contacted the company a few weeks later... | ||
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Post# 958821 , Reply# 32 9/23/2017 at 23:07 (2,399 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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 When I was little I got my head stuck between the railing on my grandmother's front porch. Maybe we should have called the company back then. It doesn't mean the railing was defective. Kids do stupid crap, period! But parents now ALWAYS need someone ELSE to blame. And if there could be money involved all the better. | ||
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Post# 958844 , Reply# 35 9/24/2017 at 03:32 (2,399 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula) |
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Centrifugal force helps, but when you have a "shop vac" on each drum hole, the result is even better. A well designed hole isn't just a hole. The hole pattern, shape and angle can make an enormous difference. | ||
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Post# 958965 , Reply# 37 9/25/2017 at 02:52 (2,398 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula) |
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yep.... Size isn't all... the angle the hles are made... There's a certain manufacturer (USA) that tried to copy the idea without doing the homework. The holes are absurdly wrong and reduced the performance instead of improving it. Even worse, the drums are now more fragile. | ||
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I'm curious about wrinkling
Does packing into the smaller drum, then spinning at high speed set the wrinkles in clothing more?
I noticed more wrinkling of my dress shirts when I switched to a front loader. I don't know if it's the larger loads, or higher spin, but wrinkling is much more pronounced, but they do tend to soften in the dryer. I would assume The same would happen after being extracted, but just wondering if the wrinkles set a little deeper from the high speed spin? What are your experiences? Wrinkling side note--I placed my daughter's comforter in one of those space bags this spring when I switched to the lighter weight bedspread. Went to get it out this weekend, and it was so wrinkled from being sucked flat all summer, I had to put it in the dryer to loosen wrinkles. | ||
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Post# 959028 , Reply# 40 9/25/2017 at 11:28 (2,397 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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Question for Keven or Thomas | ||
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Post# 959030 , Reply# 41 9/25/2017 at 11:33 (2,397 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Why would you put lightweight things in to spin at high speeds? | ||
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Post# 959055 , Reply# 42 9/25/2017 at 15:30 (2,397 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula) |
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Kevin, it spins "forever".... I mean, until you open the lid. | ||
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Post# 959136 , Reply# 43 9/25/2017 at 21:57 (2,397 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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A few notes.
1) Heavy cottons require longer than five minutes for optimal extraction. Seven, when spun in a GE FilterFlo, 12 when spun in a Whirlpool BD.
2) As long as one doesn't 'span' the drum with delicate fabrics, all these worries about tearing are just that, worries. I've been drying silk in faster spinners for decades without problems. 3) It's probably obvious, but it's necessary to load the heaviest items at the bottom. Because of the wonderfully large outer case, the spinner can tolerate out-of-balance conditions well. Thomas' suspension design helps there, too. I'm really quite happy with this unit. A suggestion: A basin to catch the water which fits inside the unit when not in use would be a useful addition. One could, of course, put two or three decals on it to remind users to remove it before use and drain it before storage :-)). | ||
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Post# 959143 , Reply# 44 9/25/2017 at 22:50 (2,397 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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H-Axis washers, dress shirts and creases
In general unless you are the sort of guy or girl that likes busy work, you want to not so heavily load the tub and or use low/gentle extraction for dress shirts.
You see this with the various "no iron" or whatever shirt programs on Miele, Lavamat and other European washing machines. Suggestion is to load drum to half or less capacity, and normally there are no spins between washing and rinsing. Final extraction is either short pulse spins or one quick one at high speed. Believe what is wanting is high water levels in relation to load so things aren't so crammed inside tub. IIRC manual for newer Miele washers recommends dress shirts to be spun at 800 or so rpms. Many dry cleaners/professional laundries also do not extract dress shirts long and or at high speeds. Of course anyone who has done dress shirts in a Hoover twin tub will tell you what all that extracting at high speeds (in that small can) will do. Especially if you chose to "rinse" (if you can call it that) in the extractor instead of doing deep rinses. Much of this will vary by textile; that is heavier weaves like broadcloth will crease less than say lighter weaves like poplin or percale. www.appliancesonline.com.... www.appliancecity.co.uk/news/news... | ||
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Post# 959213 , Reply# 46 9/26/2017 at 08:00 (2,396 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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I've noticed That overloading anything - washer, spinner, dryer leads to massive wrinkles. As does over-drying.
My AEG tumble-dryer in Germany back in the 1980's had an incredibly complicated sensor logic - all aimed at getting the clothes dry without going too far. Reverse tumbling, cool-downs, etc. It worked really, really well at preventing wrinkles. Laundress could answer this, I don't know - but my feeling is that washing heavy and light items together, small and large results in fewer wrinkles than washing all light items together in one load.
Of course, given our allergy to synthetics, we keep mangles and steam irons close to hand in our laundry room. To be honest, though, I'm not all that hysterical about wrinkles. My better half spends 30 minutes ironing clothes every morning, including the boxers. | ||
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Post# 959366 , Reply# 47 9/27/2017 at 01:36 (2,396 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula) |
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Overloading = instant karma... PERIOD. Never, EVER, overload anything.... And avoid underloads as much as you can too. | ||
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Post# 959378 , Reply# 49 9/27/2017 at 07:43 (2,396 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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My older Miele W1070
Is preferred for shirts because it does not spin until after third rinse (short pulse), then one full spin (at 900 rpms) for a few minutes between third and fourth. After the series of graduated spins comes the final (900 or 1100 rpms), but here is the neat thing; if you advance the timer at a certain point slightly, it will stop the spin cycle and go to "fluff" then off.
Depending upon the dress shirt material (or whatever else is being washed), may just allow a short one-two minute spin at 900rpms, then finish. That seems to make give just the right extraction without much creasing. Under loading: Neither the Miele nor Oko-Lavamat like it much when on "Normal/Cottons/Linens", though the latter is better equipped to deal with the situation. The Miele lacking a truly sophisticated drum balance and rhythm control will bang and clang if it cannot redistribute small loads properly. OTOH AEG will often get things right; it may take ages of balancing and redistribution, but never the less... In fact one of reasons went looking for a Maytag wringer washer was to avoid issues of drum unbalance and stress caused. Again after shelling out over $300 to repair the suspension system on Miele, don't want to be doing that again anytime soon. Now the Laundry Alternative spin dryer is another matter. If load is not balanced the thing will shake, which one can live with; what cannot stand is the rattling and noise caused by plastic bits inside lid. Sounds like marbles being thrown about. | ||
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Post# 959434 , Reply# 51 9/27/2017 at 13:08 (2,395 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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Brakes on spin dryers
All of our major twin tub manufacturers back in the 80's came up with either a brake that when applied could not be reset unless the lid was opened and re-closed this was Hotpoints answer you pressed the lid release and waited till the machine had stopped spinning and then pressed it again to open the lid. Hoover brought out a similar device you lifted the latch and it braked to a stand still then lifted it a second time to open the lid all this is a bit of a faff but Servis did the double lid which by the time you raised the first lid and had to deal with the catch for the second the spinner was stationary so you could not get your hands in while it was moving. I have a Servis 108 that I have removed the inner lid because it quite simply is annoying. I have yet to get around Hoover double latch device and as for Hotpoint I just a spoon to prise the lid up the spinner stops and I can start the rinse much quicker without waiting and oh yes I am not quite daft enough to put my hand in whilst its spinning I went to school with a lad who did just that and still has a hook for a right arm as back in 60's the spinners did not have safety devices to prevent such accidents.
Ps I have a Miele W4449 which is a fantastic washer and has all the features mentioned above like dress shirt cycle which only spins at 600 where as cottons get the full 1600 spin. I have had 1600 spin machines before but the time they took to get to the spin used make me see red but this beauty does not worry about being balanced as Launderess says they just get on with it and go to full tilt regardless of balance issues it will abort it if too out of balance but it never complains about spinning towels and bath mats as these are heavy I had an LG before it sent me crazy never spinning and more often than not just going to the end of the cycle and leave things dripping !! So good old Miele built like a tank and as quiet and dependable as you wish. I do like using the twin tubs now and then just for the fun of it but I have to say the towels take just as long from a 2.300 rpm spin as they do from a 1600..... | ||
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Post# 959466 , Reply# 53 9/27/2017 at 16:20 (2,395 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Hi Thomas
We have an older unit of the LA spin dryer:
www.greenoptions.com/products/the... It only makes the god awful racket when load is unbalanced, otherwise when things are smooth as silk, the thing is rather quiet. If it is late and worried about waking people up will abort spin and redistribute. Otherwise for the three or so minutes will just put up with the noise. After all coming from using a Hoover twin tub am rather use noise. *LOL* | ||
| Post# 959607 , Reply# 54 9/28/2017 at 13:47 (2,394 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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Gravity Drain What's with the obsession to gravity drain?! Wouldn't it be 'oh so much more convenient' to have it pumped out via a hose? After all, Hoover and Creda managed it donkey's years ago. | ||
| Post# 959608 , Reply# 55 9/28/2017 at 13:48 (2,394 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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| Post# 959609 , Reply# 56 9/28/2017 at 13:59 (2,394 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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With pumped drain, it is possible to rinse in the spinner (Hoover Spinarinse). And you wouldn't have the hassle of buckets and bending down to lift them either. | ||
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Post# 959654 , Reply# 57 9/28/2017 at 16:17 (2,394 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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What's with the obsession to gravity drain?!
Simple, one less thing to break down and or that wear out.
Then there is the same as with commercial washing machines; using a dump valve/drain means water/suds can be extracted fully and at force without having to worry about a pump being overwhelmed by too much water/suds at once. Portability of spin dryers/extractors is enhanced as they can be placed anywhere, not just near a sink. This is a boon when having to deal with laundry that is in various stages of wet; from sopping to stages of wrung out. Keep in mind also just having a pump is no panacea. If you've read owner's manuals for nearly all washing machines there is a maximum distance and height the pump is capable of pushing water. Oh and with a pump/hose you'd have to find ways to drain whatever water is not pushed into drain and remains in hose before putting away. One just tips spin dryer over slightly, allow whatever water remaining to drain, then that is that. | ||
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other factor... rinsing in a spin dryer is "odd" here... Over 90% of customers use our spin dryers as a booster for their washing machines, so they can cut the tumble drying costs. Clothes already come out spun from their automatic washers... they just need/want to take the last drops of water from the load. | ||
| Post# 959783 , Reply# 64 9/29/2017 at 06:24 (2,394 days old) by MrAlex (London, UK) | ||
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Post# 959797 , Reply# 65 9/29/2017 at 09:14 (2,393 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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Speaking as a German living in the US I can only second what Thomas is saying. You folks in the UK and Ireland, the rest of us in Europe have no clue, not a clue just how many people in this country would be considered functionally illiterate back home. Seriously, you really, truly have no idea. Everything Thomas is saying is an exact echo of what the engineers at B/S/H told me about the North American market when I was translating for them a few years back. Exactly. Completely.
Yesterday, I put in a new garage door opener. My customer had just bought the house, was given an allowance at closing for several items which failed the walk-through. This was one of them. Since money was tight, she offered to work with me to save $50.00. I said OK. So, we start work...and notice the power to the garage is off at the Main Disconnect. Hmm, she said - you don't suppose?
We took a thorough look at everything to make sure there was not going to be a flash! bang! garage on fire situation then flipped the switch.
Ta-da! Door opener worked.
We did change it out, in the end - and before somebody comments that maybe it was flipping the circuit breaker, note, please, I said Main Disconnect, not circuit breaker or fuse........
Took my car in for an oil change week before last. Told the servicing in-duh-vi-dual not to check the automatic transmission fluid. This particular model uses a special fluid and I didn't want them to 'top it off' with DexronV or some such.... So, what's the first thing the do in the garage (I'm watching from the doorway)? They reach in to pull the transmission dipstick.....................
So, yeah - my dear European and UK/Irish friends: Give Thomas a break. Unless you've actually lived amongst these people, you haven't a clue. Oh, right - nearly forgot. We're talking about the people who just elected that Scottish guy president, the one with the hair and the tiny hands. Do you really need any more examples? | ||
| Post# 959803 , Reply# 66 9/29/2017 at 09:45 (2,393 days old) by MrAlex (London, UK) | ||
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| Post# 959807 , Reply# 67 9/29/2017 at 10:09 (2,393 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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Pardon!!! OK, Well. . . | ||
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Post# 959809 , Reply# 68 9/29/2017 at 10:31 (2,393 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 959813 , Reply# 69 9/29/2017 at 11:01 (2,393 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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That is CYOA
You specifically list what you won't cover in a warranty, otherwise anything can and will be used against you . A warranty should cover defects, damages should be indemnified through a casualty insurance.
And up until some Dotard (I love that word)put the cruise control on their Ford powered Winnebago and went back to have lunch the Ford manual didn't read "Do Not Leave The Driving Position While The Vehicle Is In Operation." That still doesn't mean an entire country is stupid. It means someone got themselves a very smart attorney. The couple in the Ford suit were actually very, very wealthy before the Ford Settlement. However, it would still be difficult to over-generalize an entire nation based upon a few court cases. This post was last edited 09/29/2017 at 11:18 | ||
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Post# 959870 , Reply# 71 9/29/2017 at 19:32 (2,393 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Things not covered by warranty! | ||
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Post# 959872 , Reply# 72 9/29/2017 at 19:35 (2,393 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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When I was little I got my head stuck between the railing ..
Don't mean to laugh, but at once thought of Miss. Julia Sugarbaker and the "Abbott" banister.
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Post# 960336 , Reply# 74 10/3/2017 at 01:09 (2,390 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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