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Post# 142843 7/16/2006 at 17:08 (6,493 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)
Checkrate/Likes Well I've been battling all night to put something on `You Tube' and what has appeared is only about half a video I took of the vintage Hotpoint's maiden run with a load. The machine is without the outer case and isn't pretty, but you can get an idea of it from this first taster video. I'm really sorry it cuts out before the final spin hits speed, annoyed me too! I'll try and sort it soon Regards Nick CLICK HERE TO GO TO nickuk's LINK

Post# 142861 , Reply# 1 7/16/2006 at 18:29 (6,492 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)
Checkrate/Likes Nick, even if it is half of the original video it is great to see that Hotpoint! Absolutely love them to pieces. The growling sound is great, and your can't beat the clicks with 2 second intervals! Looking forward to a fully restored classic Hotpoint! Jon

Post# 142862 , Reply# 2 7/16/2006 at 18:30 (6,492 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)
Checkrate/Likes BTW, it caught about 5 or 10 seconds of the final spin at the end... was there more? Jon

Post# 142890 , Reply# 3 7/16/2006 at 20:14 (6,492 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)
Checkrate/Likes That was fun! I really like the big glass door - the water sloshing around, the sound of spin was awesome! The sock in between the door boot and the glass was a riot, a bit of suspense added for fun! Would you mind taking a couple of pics of the rear of the machine? It would be interesting to see the construction, suspension, etc. Did Hotpoint always mount the motor on top of the drum like this? We aren't as familiar with vintage Euro front loaders and much of the design concept is fairly new to us. Thanks, Nick Greg

Post# 142993 , Reply# 4 7/17/2006 at 04:29 (6,492 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)
Checkrate/Likes Hi Greg, Not Nick here but I could give you a little bit of light as to the motors - Hotpoints were one of the only manufacturers to mount the motor on top of the drum on their original design frontloaders, which were produced from the late 60s/early 70s right up until 2000 when the more modern (and unreliable) WMA series with a larger capacity came in. The motors on top were supposed to give better access to change motor brushes etc, and I have to say from personal experience it is a breeze to fit new carbon motor brushes onto Hotpoints with top mounted motors than, say, a Hoover with a bottom mounted motor (as Darren could probably testify!). That Hotpoint noise is classic - my 1998 Hotpoint had similar, though not as dramatic, noises - perhaps I shall have to upload the video of that I have to youtube sometime. Jon

Post# 143039 , Reply# 5 7/17/2006 at 10:22 (6,492 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)
Checkrate/Likes *Thanks for the responses* The video actually runs for longer than what you see, and I will try and get some more sorted out soon. I'm struggling with YouTube - I don't know which format I should be capturing video with etc etc........ Thanks Jon, yes - I definitely hope to finish work on that machine over the summer, circumstances allowing. Until I'm finished I'll just leave the cabinet off. It needs all new dispenser pipes and clips, a new neon, and the cabinet needs a respray. I think the tacho needs adjusting because the tumble and distribute speeds look a little on the slow side to me, but I don't know where the tacho is or how to adjust it!! Already I've replaced the sump hose, cleared the filter and replaced the drain hose. I think the machine is good, but it's just been a bit neglected. Regarding the final spin, yes, there was alot more of it - it actually takes (estimate) 40 - 50 seconds to reach top speed, after all the water has finished gushing down the glass :-) Did you like that BTW? I'm very impressed at how stable it is - it has three suspension legs plus the usual concrete underneath, I think they more typically had two but I may be wrong. Greg, thanks for your comments. I love this machine and really look forwards to returning it to a nice condition. Of course I will film around the back of the machine etc and show you the different parts, but please be patient as I am new to the `video upload' thing..... The sock was annoying wasn't it!! Two factors - it was a baby sock so I should have put them in a wash bag really, and also because the machine is not screwed together it kinda leans forwards, which might affect things.... Thanks for your comments and I'm glad you enjoyed the video, Regards Nick

Post# 143049 , Reply# 6 7/17/2006 at 11:07 (6,492 days old) by sparkcymru ()
Checkrate/Likes thats a really great video Nick. Thanks for sharing it with us Steve

Post# 143063 , Reply# 7 7/17/2006 at 12:07 (6,492 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
Checkrate/Likes Nick, Thanks for the video and sound track. My Creda has the motor mounted like your Hotpoint and each set of brushes lasts about 5 years. I am very impressed with the ability of your machine to pump out the water during the spin. My Creda, like your Hotpoint, does not spin after the wash, but after rinses 1 through 3 it distributes and then goes into an intermediate spin speed which spins lots of water out of the load which runs down the door. Then it slows back to what I guess you would call a distribute speed where the load is held tightly to the cylinder while the water is pumped out and then it does another spin, this one a bit longer. It drains for a long time after that spin, then advances into the next rinse fill. I always wait until the wash water starts to drain and then I click on the Super Wash button to get the a higher water level in the rinses. Mine does not extract all that well in these spins, but it does well enough that there are generally no real suds in the final (4th) rinse.

Post# 143085 , Reply# 8 7/17/2006 at 13:35 (6,492 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)
Checkrate/Likes Hi Tom, Have you any pictures at all of your Creda? We had a Creda (aka Hotpoint) from 1996-1998 and I loved it. Unfortunately my mother decided to get rid of it, if only back then I'd have nagged her not to! Jon

Post# 143260 , Reply# 9 7/18/2006 at 08:10 (6,491 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
Checkrate/Likes Jon, I will see if I can find the pictures. It is a SupaSpeed 1000. It is the only machine I have left from the time when many washers had a timer dial and a thermostat dial. During the heating periods, the Creda turns very slowly; tumble is not even the word to describe what it does. I have to call someplace in Texas when the brushes need replacing, every 5 years or so. They are very nice people and assure me that parts are still avaliable. I had no idea that anyone in the USA even sold these machines before we found this one. Imagine, a beautiful machine tossed because it needed motor brushes. It can heat to 200 and gets impossibly dirty things clean, even the rags from machinery repairs.

Post# 143289 , Reply# 10 7/18/2006 at 10:19 (6,491 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)
Checkrate/Likes *Hi Tom* Thanks for telling us about your Creda. Can I ask you if you have ever cleaned out the sump filter? You mention the intermediate spins not being so hot and a problem with pumping water during the spin. A very common problem with these machines is a clogged filter which slows the rate of water to the drain pump. Viewed from the rear, at the bottom of the tub is a thick rubber pipe which houses a filter, accessed by removing a jubilee clip and the plastic bung on the bottom of the pipe. Clear the filter of debris, disinfect, replace, check for leaks! On my Hotpoint the filter was SOLID, but maybe I just had bad luck. On the other hand, the operations of your machine sound very similar to a Hotpoint WM series (apx 1996?) and those machines were not all that efficient at pumping out water quickly during the spins. I think the pump is maybe slower than on the earlier models. This gives rise to another problem - `water slap', whereby whilst spinning at speed the drum lifters scoop water from the bottom of the tub which hasn't been pumped due to the slow pumping, and fling it round the outer drum repeatedly, this of course means it takes even longer to pump the water. You know this is happening because you can hear it, and you see that during the spin the water is still slooshing about for ages. Sometimes, all this is going on inside the machine and nothing is coming out the drain pipe until the drum slows! BTW The Creda Supaspeed was available in the UK too, and was also available in dark green with matching dryer! Thanks also to Steve for your kind comment and I'm glad you enjoyed it. I have had much pleasure from your videos also. Any interest in the Servis yet? Is it on the ebay? Thanks for answering questions and stuff on my behalf Jon and for just being you! You know how crap I am at taking ages to answer questions and I'm sure other members here appreciate your time. Almost 100%of the time we would answer the question the same anyway. BTW what was wrong with your Mum's Zanussi? Did you get it replaced it with the same? Regards to all Nick

Post# 143305 , Reply# 11 7/18/2006 at 11:23 (6,491 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill Home of the RailwayTrials Merseyside,UK)
Checkrate/Likes *Nice One* Hi Nick well done on sorting the leaks n stuff, those Hotpoints really where the biz back in the eighties, and the motor on top is useful, even better on the 9934 range of washer dryers when the carbons needed replacing more often. Make sure you keep the sticker on the front for after its repaint etc.. Love those Hotpoint sounds, what programme was it on, it seemed like a gentle wash action?? Cheers Mike

Post# 143307 , Reply# 12 7/18/2006 at 11:25 (6,491 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill Home of the RailwayTrials Merseyside,UK)
Checkrate/Likes *Liberty* Hi Tom I have just found your Creda pic, hope you dont mind me posting it so they can all see...

Post# 143308 , Reply# 13 7/18/2006 at 11:32 (6,491 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)
Checkrate/Likes Tom, Is this the picture that you are looking for? CLICK HERE TO GO TO foraloysius's LINK

Post# 143310 , Reply# 14 7/18/2006 at 11:33 (6,491 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)
Checkrate/Likes LOL, I watched the video before I finally posted the link. Didn't see your message Mike. LOL

Post# 143355 , Reply# 15 7/18/2006 at 15:14 (6,491 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)
Checkrate/Likes *Tumble speed* Well noticed Mike - scroll up to the last post I wrote and you'll see that I have concerns about the tumble and distribute speed too. This was a no5 wash BTW so should be on maximum speed. I'm glad you noticed it - I'm not going mad! Next question - any idea how I should adjust the tacho? or is there some other way I could sort this? Or do I just accept that since '79 she has become a little tired? Cheers Nick

Post# 143370 , Reply# 16 7/18/2006 at 16:11 (6,491 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)
Checkrate/Likes Hi all, Tom - yes, that Creda of yours was the generation after my Creda (ours was a 1993 model I think, which we bought second hand in 1996) and it was indeed a great washer and rinser. It was also manufactured before the Energy Label came into force (our version of Energy Star), so the wash water came up the window to where the door glass was flat, as did the rinses so was very splashy! And even on half load the water still came upo so it touched the bottom of the door glass. Ours was also a Supaspeed 1000 - they used this terminology right until a few years ago when they were just branded Simplicity or Excel - before if a machine was branded Supaspeed it had a high spin speed - 1000 or 1200. Well, bear in mind this is going onto 10 years ago so 1000 or 1200 was quite fast on the market at the time. Unfortunately just recently my grandma got rid of her 1993 Hotpoint version; without even consulting me so I got the shock of hearing from my dad of all people one day after he'd been visiting that Grandma had gotten a new Beko. I could cringe just knowing that her old Hotpoint was much better. But such is life - hopefully when I have room for a collection there will still be 95 series Hotpoints, or Creda Supaspeeds out there! Nick could be on target with the problem you have in interim spins - before her Hotpoint/Ariston POS (and that's not Picture of Serenity thank you Mike LOL) my nana had a mid 1990s Hotpoint Aquarius WM25. The interim spins would spin for about 5 seconds - gushing all the water down the window - and then distribute again for a minute or so before a 30 second 500rpm spin? On the final spin it would do the same procedure but slow down from 500 to distributing again, distribute for another minute then spin at 500, 800 and then 1000rpm for 3 minutes, unlike the early 90s Hotpoints which had similar interim spins, but the first spin would last for about 10 or 15 seconds before slowing down to distributing and then doing a 30 second stint of 700rpm or so. On the final spin, it would do the same procedure but when its about halfway slowing down from 700rpm the timer would advance and then the washer would zoom right up to max speed. If you set the timer to the last portion of the spin cycle, you could make the washer go up to max speed straight away without distributing! Anyway that's enough of me babbling, but I have to say Tom that those Hotpoints right up until the WM50/60/70 disasters of the late 90s (ugh, I shudder when I even think of our old Hotpoint WM64), so try and keep that machine for as long as possible! I'm sure even if a part does fail and you can't locate one in the US, that one of us in the UK could perhaps locate a part as those Hotpoints were as common as pig muck here and still are today. Nick - you will find all out tomorrow, planning to post a thread though people here would expect nothing less :-). Thanks for keeping us updated though - that truly is a great machine and hopefully one day I'll be able to see it for real :-) I love those Hotpoints to bits, and still remember my auntie's Microprofile from the same era with the sloped control panel, Hotpoint's answer to the Servis Quartz more or less. The Hotpoint seemed more stable than the later models - both with my Grandmas 9528 and our Creda Supaspeed after washing towels you would often have to push the machine back into it's recess!. BTW - saw you were using Persil with Comfort tabs - how do you like them? Louis - great excuse! Although I've told you before there's no shame in admitting you forgot to put your reading glasses on along with age and nutrasweet! ducks Mike - did you get my recent email? Sent one about 2 or 3 weeks ago now... not sure if you have got it as my email is still playing up my end. Trying to persuade dad to move to a better email provider but that's like trying to find a needle in a haystack. All the best guys, Jon (typing this whole post without using my right index finger - harder than you may think! Why without using my right index finger you ask? Well silly Jon here was being a cheap skate and cutting tokens out of a box of Ariel and pushed down on what he thought was a blunt knife only to find out he had been using the wrong side of the blade!)

Post# 143450 , Reply# 17 7/18/2006 at 22:17 (6,490 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
Checkrate/Likes DOCTOR!! EMERGENCY!! Is there at least a sister about to look at this young chap's finger? Which finger? Right index; you know, next to his bird finger. Jon, I hope your cut heals quickly. Thank you, Jon and Nick for all of the lineage, genealogy and pedigree of my Creda. I am pleased to learn that she is not that bad a machine, even though cheap. Sometimes cheapness can be fun. Mike and Louis, thank you for finding and posting a picture of the Creda 17D64E Econo Wash 1000 Supaspeed EcoWash Series. Now, instead of the '58 Frigidaire (that does have her front grille attached), the Miele W1918 is her immediate neighbor and then the W1986. The three are the farthest from the water heater, but since they heat anyway, that's not a problem like it would be for the poor dumb Duet and the Kenmore Dual Tumble. When I bought the pedestals for the Mieles on closeout from US Appliance, I wound up with an extra one of the small ones. It took a while for them to understand that I had both the 5kg and the 6kg washers. Once they understood that, I think that they did not want to know why. I was going to put the Creda on it, but fear jinxing the machine by attaching her to the Miele pedestal. Fortunately, she now only washes one load a week, a 130F long wash starting at "A" for ropa interior and white socks and sometimes my shortie white robe. It is sad that the metal that makes up the front of the cabinet is so thin that it bulges out then goes back in as a heavy load tumbles. Thanks for the tip about the filter. I have never inspected it, but will schedule her for a procto procedure in the near future. "Does that hurt?" "What do you mean you don't feel it?" "How about THIS?!" "Oh, you felt that? Good, now we know you don't have a dead end. Tired, a bit stretched and ill used perhaps, but not dead." As soon as the tub slows from the intermediate spin, the water rushes out as it does when the machine drains from the wash or rinse portions of the cycle. Even my old Miele from 1990 had that spin/drain problem, but not the new ones. Thank all of you again. Your attention, praise and enthusiasm have made her feel very good and very worthy of her place in the line with the Mieles. Tom

Post# 143501 , Reply# 18 7/19/2006 at 07:47 (6,490 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)
Checkrate/Likes Hi Nick could you please post a still pic of your Hotpoint? I have slow dialup connection so "I don't do videos". I have a private import Hotpoint MicroProfile 9560, the 1300 rpm spin model with digital display from 1986. It needs a belt and brushes, plus is a bit tatty - the brown plastic trims are cracked. Hotpoints were not sold here, though the older purple door model was sold here as a GEC and many years later, late 1990s Hotpoints were sold here badged as GE. Thanks chris.

Post# 144111 , Reply# 19 7/21/2006 at 15:53 (6,488 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)
Checkrate/Likes *Hi Chris* I have still pics but don't know what format to upload them in - any hints? Whatever I'm trying says file too big. I have a feeling I posted pics a while back, is there a way of searching the archives on this site? Forgive my ignorance please. Just to update you....I have located the spares I need and will order them very shortly. Tonight I adjusted the tumble and distribute speed - fun job - and it's now a bit more lively, plus making that great sort of `me-aw,me-aw' classic distribute noise. Everything is held to the side of the tub, not the case before. Two questions if anyone can help me...... (1)When I refit a nose hose from dispenser to tub, what do I use as sealant? May have asked that before but have forgotten answer. (2)What specifically should I use to rub down and respray the outer cabinet? Regards Nick

Post# 144123 , Reply# 20 7/21/2006 at 16:29 (6,488 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)
Checkrate/Likes *Hotpoint pics* I have the Hotpoint pics Nick in my webshots album - uploaded them for you there :-). Have linked them below... feel free to forward anymore if you have them and I'll put them in that folder! Great that you've sorted the distribution speed out - as I said before I'm loving watching this machine get restored as time goes on. Jon

Post# 144125 , Reply# 21 7/21/2006 at 16:32 (6,488 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)
Checkrate/Likes *Ugh..,.* Silly Moo here forgot to post the link. Here ya go! CLICK HERE TO GO TO lavamat_jon's LINK

Post# 144129 , Reply# 22 7/21/2006 at 17:29 (6,488 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)
Checkrate/Likes OOOOOOO!!!!! I like this machine!!!!! Jon, now THAT'S how I like FL machines to sound like when they spin, NICE and LOOOOOUUUD!!!!!! YAY!!!!! Nick, that machine is AWESOME!!!

Post# 144754 , Reply# 23 7/24/2006 at 13:51 (6,485 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)
Checkrate/Likes Hey nick. bit of a late replier here i've been away in spain, however better late than never! i've been dying to see that video from first finding out you had such a machine! it took me back to my childhood. the machine that was in existance when i came into the world was one of these models. i forget the number 18--- i forget lol 4 option buttons and a timer! it was fantastic and later replaced by our hotpoint 9534 which i adored. that died of bad bearings. the spins used to terrify me when it was out of balance. it would jump forward..i remember the day i discovered that when you turn the dial to the notch after spin and pull the dial it immediately goes into 1000rpm i shot to the back of the room before you could say Boo! lol.. many thanks for the video and best of luck with restoring her to her former beauty Darren

Post# 145885 , Reply# 24 7/29/2006 at 15:34 (6,480 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)
Checkrate/Likes Pulsator, thanks for your kind comments. The spin is quite something in real life too! Work on this machine is now well underway and I hope to have it up and running properly within the fortnight. Newwave, hi! So far I haven't managed to send this one off balance. I'm scared to set her up deliberatlely with, say a bath mat or something, as the old rust bucket will probably just fall to pieces lol. I have a feeling that because this machine is a `three leg suspension' model it's more sturdy than most other Hotpoints which had two - this could be partly what caused the jumping you spoke of. BTW, Andy Trigg on the `washerhelp' sight said he'd seen instances of Hotpoints whose motors had punched a hole in the top right of the cabinet on severely OB loads!! Hope you're keeping well Newwave. BTW There is a great condition Newwave on ebay for �1 in Kent - a 1400! I was working on the machine today fitting a new dispenser pipe to the outer drum. I was sanding the area to connect the new pipe to and then something I didn't even predict happened - I dropped the sand paper into the gap between the inner and outer drum! I had the sump off, the heater off, the Hoover out......but I had to give up getting this sand paper out. I'll have to run some boil washes, soaks, get it to disintegrate then clear it all out the sump I guess. What a pain in the ****. Regards to all Nick

Post# 145887 , Reply# 25 7/29/2006 at 16:01 (6,480 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK)
Checkrate/Likes *Thanks for the video !!!!!!* Hiya I spotted your video on Youtube ages ago but I didn�t see you had posted it on here lol! Reminds me of my nan�s Hotpoint washer drier, but the interm-spins only went to 300 rpm for bout 5 seconds and then the rinse started. The distribute always sounds really sinister on old Hotpoints, especially when you can see it is unbalanced... lol, coz you know what�s coming. I remember when it was unbalanced once and it moved right across the kitchen lol, it scared the crap outta me (i was only little, lol)

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