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Post# 958700   9/23/2017 at 11:16 by norgechef (Saint George New Brunswick )        

I was wondering how well these work and if they are really worth the price. In my area they are about the same price as a basic full-size dishwasher but I am working with very limited space at the moment and HATE doing dishes by hand going from using a dishwasher all of my life up until recently. Also, the only brand I can find is Danby and I question the reliability of Danby appliances.

This is something I would have to save up for as I don't have that kind of money at my disposal at the moment but I would like to know for future reference.





Post# 958702 , Reply# 1   9/23/2017 at 11:45 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Check out this list of the Top 8 Countertop Dishwashers. You may find one that fills the bill for your particular circumstance.

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Post# 958705 , Reply# 2   9/23/2017 at 11:56 by MayfairPink (Palo Alto, CA)        

I bought a Danby about 10yrs ago, used for 3 now in storage bec. I have a full size one. It works very well, only draw back is plates larger than 10" won't fit, round bowls are also a challenge. Good for 2 people, sometimes I have to plan what to use to fit them in, but you can always do 2 loads.

Hue


Post# 958707 , Reply# 3   9/23/2017 at 12:07 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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I would say shop around...(ebay, amazon, etc)....and even check out CL and thrift stores....as so many have been seen....you might strike up a better deal for your budget...


I got to use one once, mounted under the counter of a wet bar.....it had a dark window, I tossed in a glow stick to see some of the action.....it was better than I expected....worked well on the glassware.....

if I recall it had a short wash and long wash program....and an option for heated dry....and that's about all you need...

keep us posted on what you select....


Post# 958709 , Reply# 4   9/23/2017 at 12:12 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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not sure of your budget.....but for around 200.00+/- you have a few options from Walmart....

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Post# 958712 , Reply# 5   9/23/2017 at 13:00 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

The new Magic Chef (Home Depot) is AWESOME!

It cleans much better than many high end full size dishwashers.


Post# 958713 , Reply# 6   9/23/2017 at 13:02 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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The dishwashers on that top 8 list look rather alike apart from a few details. I wonder if they aren't all made by one company.

Post# 958716 , Reply# 7   9/23/2017 at 13:23 by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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The dishwashers on that top 8 list look rather alike apart from a few details. I wonder if they aren't all made by one company.

 

I've thought that, too.

 

Another point: I suspect it takes a lot of work to design and then manufacture a dishwasher. A lot of these countertop dishwasher maker names seem to names I've never heard of before. It seems most likely to me that it's a name that gets fixed to a product that is acquired from another company that supplies numerous other companies.

 


Post# 958731 , Reply# 8   9/23/2017 at 14:22 by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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I'm sure they are made in China by only a couple of manufacturers.


Post# 958736 , Reply# 9   9/23/2017 at 14:52 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

They are made in china... and the manufacturer is (miraculously) excellent.

Post# 958746 , Reply# 10   9/23/2017 at 15:36 by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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I had an edgestar that I purchased from compactappliance.com and I loved it.

At the time, I wished it had a built-in heater, now the new models do. I wouldn't mind having another one around on a shelf just below a counter top.

The only thing to keep in mind when loading the little guy is that they generally don't have a top spray. I feel they would still out perform any 18" dishwasher on the market.


Post# 958771 , Reply# 11   9/23/2017 at 17:48 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Years ago Equator offered a counter top dishwasher that was made in Europe (IIRC), and even one or two other brands from that side of pond managed to show up on these shores (AEG?). But today regardless of brand name (Danby, Magic Chef, SPF, etc..) all counter top dishwashers come from Asia. Likely from same plant.

Just as with 18" dishwashers back in the day (made by Frigidaire of old DM design), there is only so much demand and thus not huge reason for many manufactures to jump into the counter top dishwasher market.

As dishwashers become more and more standard equipment even in small apartments (nearly all new construction and or apartment that has seen major renovation have them), the need for portables overall has declined.

The 18" dishwasher category has opened up over the past few years with others joining the market besides Frigidaire. If you can find the room maybe one of them would work.

blog.yaleappliance.com/bid/78067...

www.compactappliance.com/...

Many years ago Ikea sold a kit to make 18" built in dishwashers portable. Have been trying to find one without much luck. Am sure somewhere out there on the internet there are instructions on building one's own conversion "box", but don't have the time to search.


Post# 958780 , Reply# 12   9/23/2017 at 18:53 by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Just found another one at the thrift store today

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An 'Edgestar' DWP45ES - fully electronic. Perfect condition for $20.00

And it had the hose, jiffy-adapter and even the nozzle for the adaptor!

It's washing a load now.

The appearance, rack, basket, hose, adaptor, etc. are all identical to several other brands. I'm sure its made of Chineseum and, yes, all of these I've seen are quite good quality and work astonishingly well. Very well made, too - which makes me wonder if they're not aimed at the Japanese market or someplace where quality matters?

 

Anyway, it's not the level of quality of our ancient 220V AEG Tischgerät - which I just found out, after talking about it yesterday - was lost to the last flood. Grrrr. But, goodness - not even that loud and quite good washers and rinsers. Highly recommendable as second dishwashers instead of those horrid 18" models which always seem to be equipped with the first generation Frigidaire ball - the one which never works.


Post# 958794 , Reply# 13   9/23/2017 at 20:06 by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        
Excellent Timing!

A friend recently moved into an apartment that has no dishwasher. The kitchen is small and poorly designed so even a portable is not an option. He asked me if counter top models were any good. I told him I'd look into it... and voila!

If I buy at a thrift store or some such place, is there anything specific to counter top dishwashers that might indicate there're problems with the unit?

I agree on a heater being a good idea. Years ago the hot water went out just before I was about to run the dishwasher. I set it to the equivalent of 'sanicycle' and crossed my fingers. IIRC the wash time nearly tripled but after the first 45 minutes every time I opened the door steam came out:-) It was a 2011 Kenmore but have forgotten the model. This doesn't mean other dishwashers would work the same way, but one can hope.

Thanks all for the info.


Post# 958797 , Reply# 14   9/23/2017 at 20:34 by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Jim, here's what I have learned

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They all have a weak drain hose nut. It will always snap. No big deal, just slip a rubber hose over the long, threaded tube and fasten it, same to the drain hose which broke.
The versions with rinse aid dispenser dry better.
They wash with great force, so follow their instructions about not putting drinking glasses in the wrong place.
Since they can use a regular 3/4" water connection, you can hook them up permanently, but I'd always turn the valve off after use.
I can unhesitatingly recommend them.


Post# 958802 , Reply# 15   9/23/2017 at 21:20 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

In my apartment in Brazil i had only countertop models... a Brastemp and an electrolux that is the same as the americans magic chef, SPT, Danby etc.

The Electrolux was expectacular, no matter what you toss in it...

Once i made polenta (Only real italians know how to do it perfectly and how nasty the pan is after that) and tossed the pan without soaking, only to test the dishwasher... It came out clean as new.

Not even commercial dishwashers clean a pan with polenta.


Post# 958832 , Reply# 16   9/24/2017 at 00:26 by earthling177 (Boston, MA)        

Not to stray too far from the topic at hand, but if you are ever in the mood to watch Italians react to stuff (my family is Italian, BTW, so I know of what I speak)...

I found this recipe on Usenet many, many years ago.

1.5 cup milk
2 tbsp butter
dash of baking soda
dash of sugar
salt to taste
0.5 cup cornmeal

Put the milk, salt, sugar and butter in a non-stick pot. Heat up until the butter starts melting, lower heat to medium-low or low, depending on your stovetop, and mix in the baking soda. Start whisking the liquid and slowly adding the cornmeal while whisking to avoid lumps. Switch to a wooden or plastic spoon and continue to stir for another 5 minutes or so until it "boils" (large bubbles of steam will form and come up the surface) and you can see the bottom of the pan or until the desired firmness is reached.

Pour the polenta into a pyrex dish and wait a few minutes to firm up.

You can also add things like parsley, chives, scallions, and you can also add grated/shredded cheese just before pouring it.

Ideally, you will have served the dish at least once to your family and they will not have seen you cook it. They will love it as usual. They *will* cause a ruckus the next time they see you cooking it.

All kinds of accusations, from "that's not traditional" and up. You calmly say every single time, "but you loved it last time and told us it was just like granny's!" and see what happens.

Seriously, it takes about 10-15 minutes, depending on how much you make (I usually make at least 6 cups of milk, which is 4X the recipe). It always disappears. No mess, no fuss. And I don't care what purists say, if you put a bit of chives and parsley and cheese, it *will* fly off the shelves. My family especially loves it with bolognese sauce on top (I also cheat on that one, but they already knew about it.)

Good luck!
   -- Paulo.


Post# 958841 , Reply# 17   9/24/2017 at 03:05 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Paulo, it "sounds" delicious!


Can it be cut with a dental floss?

As my mom always said, a real polenta is cut with a floss, never with a spoon.


Post# 958845 , Reply# 18   9/24/2017 at 03:44 by earthling177 (Boston, MA)        

It's your polenta, you can cut it with whatever you want. It will firm up just like the "real" thing.

None of my Italian relatives has clued in it's not the labor and time intensive "real" polenta until they see me cooking it, and if you thought Italians got mad at people who cook polenta in the pressure cooker because that's "cheating", LOL, be prepared to see their reaction when they discover they've been "cheated" *all* the way, this one is so quick and easy, and can be made in a non-stick pan, which upsets them even further. Because y'know, you "shouldn't" be stirring something for that long or with a whisk in a non-stick pan.

Screw that, if it tastes and looks the same, I'm so there! ;-)


Post# 958848 , Reply# 19   9/24/2017 at 04:21 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
Bosch model

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This is the version Bosch makes in Europe... rather expensive though.

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Post# 958849 , Reply# 20   9/24/2017 at 05:03 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

I have a great recipe for polenta orage cake! I’ll look for it and post it when I find it! It’s yum!


Post# 958850 , Reply# 21   9/24/2017 at 05:05 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Sorry to tell you but Bosch doesn't make it...

It's also made in china, OEM, same factory...

In off, we will have a similar dishwasher but 2 racks...


Post# 958855 , Reply# 22   9/24/2017 at 05:36 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
"Bosch doesn't make it..."

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Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me.

But I would rather have the Bosch than the other machines (Danby, et al), based on the experience of obtaining spare parts. Bosch have been rather good with availability of components, in the past.


Post# 958858 , Reply# 23   9/24/2017 at 06:46 by MrAlex (London, UK)        
Polenta cake

250g Polenta or cornmeal polenta 

225g White flour

15g Baking powder

Pinch of salt

 

250g Sugar

125g Butter soft - Unsalted 

Vanilla, lemon, orange or other flavourings

3 Eggs

2 Tablespoon corn oil or vegetable oil

 

Add a little of the dry ingredients at a time. 

 

1 Cup milk or milk and cream

 

 

Sprinkle a little sugar on top before going in the oven

 

 

170C/338F/Gas Mark 3 - 30 min


Post# 958867 , Reply# 24   9/24/2017 at 08:17 by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
I've made pressure cooker polenta for years and

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Yes, the Italian side of the family does, too - they just don't let anyone know.

Ditto risotti.


Post# 958875 , Reply# 25   9/24/2017 at 09:38 by appnut (TX)        

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I've made pressure cooker risotto before.  Couldn't imagine doing it any other way.  Is it risotto or risotto?


Post# 958895 , Reply# 26   9/24/2017 at 12:50 by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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I can't speak about risotto or polenta...but I can say that I've gotten amazingly sloppy in the kitchen compared to the standards of my 20 year old self. When I was first cooking, I was all fired up to do things The Right Way. Now, I suppose I respect and value tradition...but for my cooking of today I value cheats. They may be something my 20 year old purist self would shudder at, but fast preparation makes the difference today between actually cooking something, and just nuking a frozen dinner...


Post# 958896 , Reply# 27   9/24/2017 at 12:51 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Panthera and Appnut

Ma che quosa, dio mio

Please remind me to NEVER let you come close to my Kitchen.

When you die, San Genaro will have a serious conversation with both of you because of this pressure cooker sacrilege.

Please don't tell me you also cut pasta... Humpf!


ROFL

It just reminded me something.... I can't stop laughing horrified... Martin, Kevin, where are you?


Post# 958897 , Reply# 28   9/24/2017 at 12:56 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

@Rolls Rapide

The quality will be exactly the same, why pay a fortune for a dishwasher that 1) will last for a long time, those little beasts are very durable) 2) When they break, it doesn't matter the brand, you can't fix it.

Get the cheapest you can find, it's the best you can do for your money... No matter the brand, they are all made in the same factory. When it breaks, just get rid of it. Don't waste your time (and money) trying to fix it because it's not worth.


Post# 958898 , Reply# 29   9/24/2017 at 12:57 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Unless it's something silly like a leaking hose, or a fill valve. that you can fix.

The price they'll charge you to fix something more complex is usually 2x the price of the dishwasher.


Post# 958902 , Reply# 30   9/24/2017 at 13:41 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        

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I still think the Bosch appliances are a tad more serviceable/repairable than the majority of others.

Though whether the cost of repair for the control circuitry is worth it, is a valid point. Sensible parts can be replaced: dispensers, filters, etc.


Post# 958913 , Reply# 31   9/24/2017 at 15:37 by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Thomas,

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I suppose you'd like to hear that I boil pasta until mushy and then I rinse it under cold running water.

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Nope - but when you live well above 2000M, you learn to work with what's possible, not what works at sea-level.


Post# 958914 , Reply# 32   9/24/2017 at 15:40 by logixx (Germany)        

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The Bosch/Siemens one would be the only countertop model I'd consider. Luckily, my 1993 model is still working just fine (and fast).

Post# 958962 , Reply# 33   9/25/2017 at 02:45 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Guys, what I tried to say is that event his super cool bosch is absolutely the same "cheap brand".

The only "bosch" thing in those dishwashers is the bosch logo... Bosch doesnt really make them. The quality will not be different from the electrolux or consul that is sold in Brazil, the Magic chef, danby, haier, SPT, whatever other brand sold in the US, the eslabón de lujo sold in argentina, etc...

So if in your country there is a cheap brand and the bosch, (for example in brazil the two largest companies (Electrolux and Whirlpool) have their versions) it doesn't make any sense to pay much more for a bosch thinking it will be better or last longer or perform better. Everything is exactly the same.


Post# 958963 , Reply# 34   9/25/2017 at 02:47 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

And again I repeat... those little dishwashers are excellent. No matter what brand, they come from the same factory in china (an excellent quality factory by the way)

Post# 958970 , Reply# 35   9/25/2017 at 04:53 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        
"Absolutely the same"

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Are you sure about that? The design of the inside of the door looks different to me. Also the racks are different. Perhaps they are made in the same factory but according different specifications? Or just somewhere else? Here are some pictures of the TOL Bosch compact.




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Post# 958971 , Reply# 36   9/25/2017 at 05:02 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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Here are some pictures of the Edgestar.



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Post# 958973 , Reply# 37   9/25/2017 at 05:05 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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Also the back of the Edgestar and the Bosch are different. The Bosch has the water connection at the other side.

A picture of the Edgestar and a video of the Bosch.






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Post# 958975 , Reply# 38   9/25/2017 at 05:15 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

foraloysius - I’ve been looking at the Bosch but spending £400 on a counter one.. I could get a full sized one :/

Post# 958976 , Reply# 39   9/25/2017 at 05:15 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
Louis is correct

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I thought the same, that the Bosch and the Edgestar are not similar. The clues are in the basket design, and the door catch.

However, one that is identical to the Edgestar is the Zanussi, shown below...


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Post# 958977 , Reply# 40   9/25/2017 at 05:18 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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The clue was in the video. On the box it says Made in Spain.



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Post# 958978 , Reply# 41   9/25/2017 at 05:22 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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But then again the back panel of the Zanussi is different again. The connection for the inlethose is in the middle.

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Post# 958979 , Reply# 42   9/25/2017 at 05:25 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        
Alex

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I guess it depends on how much space you have. I'd never go with a countertop model when I would have space for a full size one or a 45cm wide one. But it beats washing dishes by hand. :-(

Post# 958982 , Reply# 43   9/25/2017 at 05:30 by henene4 (Germany)        

The Bsches sure as hell are different. None of the chinese ones offer a sensor cycle (which th more TOL ones do), and AFAIK the BSH untsdo use thir EcoSilence drive system.

I'm also pretty certain that Electrolux had their own platform as AEG in Germany offered verry different machines to the cheapo ones with far more cycle flexibility and different cycle setups.


Post# 958983 , Reply# 44   9/25/2017 at 05:34 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

foraloysius- I currently don’t have a space for a full sized dishwasher, but we move quite often so having a full size dishwasher as well as my TL washing machine will be quite a hassle when we move lol most rentals usually come with a dishwasher. Currently I wash up by hand, I have to wear gloves now though.. the washing up liquid causes some sort of eczema :/

Post# 958986 , Reply# 45   9/25/2017 at 05:48 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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Moving often comes indeed with problems. Hopefully next time you'll get a kitchen with a dishwasher. Using gloves has advantages, you can use hotter water to do the dishes. Are you using Method dish liquid? Would that be the cause of the allergy?

Post# 958987 , Reply# 46   9/25/2017 at 05:57 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

My electrolux back was exactly like the Bosch


It said made in Brazil... But that trick i know very well (I work in the appliances industry and I know how easy it is to stretch the truth to make something look like made in one country but actually be made in china simply using the gaps on the law. Technically they're not lying.

brazil for example. they come without the power cord and the cover. Electrolux "finishes" that. voilá... made in brazil.

And also... I know the manufacturer.... they can make minor differences. but basically, it's the same machine.

Electrolux now has an 8 service model and continues with the 6-service models.... exactly the same we will release here in the us here in the US we will offer the salt dispenser... Electrolux doesn't offer that in brazil because it wouldn't make any sense (not even salt exists there) Our door design will be different tough.







Post# 958988 , Reply# 47   9/25/2017 at 06:00 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
Eczema

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The detergent de-fats the skin and either causes eczema or contact dermatitis.

I had the same problem - very nasty, and I absolutely detested washing dishes by hand anyway. Getting a dishwasher was always, always, always my number one priority.


Re: Bosch compact machine 'Made in Spain'.
That makes sense, probably at the Balay factory? Notice that the floor of this machine is Polinox, similar to Bosch's full-size 'bottom of the range' machines.

Given the option, I would still go for the Bosch model.


Post# 958991 , Reply# 48   9/25/2017 at 06:15 by MrAlex (London, UK)        


foraloysius - I don't use Method for anything else apart from laundry, I might try everything else though! Love the scents and their products look a bit more "fun". I'm sure it's just what Rolls_rapide said, it's stripping the skin of its natural oils. So handcream and gloves it is! lol


Post# 958996 , Reply# 49   9/25/2017 at 06:29 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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And now for hoping that you don't get an allergy for those gloves!

The Bosch compact dishwashers are actually made in Spain in Esquiroz in the provence Navarra in the Balay factories. Dishwashers are also manufactured in Mantañana in the province Saragossa. I think that's a former Ufesa factory.


Post# 959000 , Reply# 50   9/25/2017 at 06:37 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
If only

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But would never arrive in one piece, am more than certain.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bosch-Serie-4-SK...


Post# 959009 , Reply# 51   9/25/2017 at 08:35 by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        

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My sister lives in a small apartment where there is no room for a standard sized dishwasher, but she absolutely hates washing dishes.

So five years ago I bought her one of the little countertop machines. It is the perfect size for one person, it washes like it's bigger brothers, and she has had absolutely no problems.

I bought it from overstock.com. I don't remember exactly the price, but I know I paid under $300, and got free shipping. One of the best gifts I think she has ever received. She mentions it every time I see her how much she love this little dishwasher.

It takes up about the same amount of counter space as a microwave oven. In fact in her first apartment she had it in, she had it on a rolling microwave cart. In this newer, larger apartment she has it on the counter next to the sink.

One caution, this was even in the owner's manual, only use powder or gel detergent. The pods or packs are too concentrated, and too large of a dose for the smaller load. Second, always use a rinse aid, there is no heated drying.


Post# 959019 , Reply# 52   9/25/2017 at 09:30 by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Without a doubt,

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A regular dishwasher is the best choice when possible. I must say though, these little machines clean very well and quite quickly.


Post# 959037 , Reply# 53   9/25/2017 at 12:56 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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there seems to be more to them than meets the eye.....after viewing several pics, these little gems appear to hold place setting from 6 to 8, that's more than one would expect from something so small...

just slightly smaller than a F&P dishdrawer, and those held a lot.....

but I would agree that most are probably all made by one or two manufacturers....

after viewing several washers by Haier, Avanti, MagicChef, Midea, RCA etc...some have different controls, different ports for water in or out, different filters or impellers...the main unit inside seem to be identical.....


Post# 959046 , Reply# 54   9/25/2017 at 14:25 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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an oddly enough their popping up on CL all over.....

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Post# 959047 , Reply# 55   9/25/2017 at 14:28 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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a Danby...

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Post# 959048 , Reply# 56   9/25/2017 at 14:32 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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an SPT....

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Post# 959052 , Reply# 57   9/25/2017 at 14:55 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Martin...

1) are the cup racks missing or you removed them?
2) the cutlery bastket is also strange... it's missing 50% of it and the handle, right? I used to to that so I'd have space for 2 more glasses next to the cutlery basket.





I forgot the name (above, about the Bosch) RE: The best you can do is simply ignore what people say (including me) and buy the brand that YOU are comfortable with. It's your money, your kitchen and you're going to look at the dishwasher's face every day, so it's YOUR decision.




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Post# 959177 , Reply# 58   9/26/2017 at 06:32 by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        
DAYUMMMMMM!!!!!!

I have to go back and re-read this all as there's just too much useful info for my sinus-infection addled brain to process, but at first glance:
1. My ex's family is from Abruzzo, and just a 10 min drive from the joint deCecco/delVerde plant in Fara. I'm 99% sure Polenta was NEVER a labor intensive process and I swear I saw it made at least once in a high-sided electric frying pan.
2. IIRC, my friend's kitchen has a good deal of counter space for its size, hence my not mentally trying to shoe horn a portable in it. Ergo countertop d/w.
3. I'm all about NOT bending and stooping for anything unless it's DL Forum appropriate, hence my interest in countertop appliances (aka electrodomesti-cos/-ici).
4. Even if all brands come out of the same few factories, wouldn't Bosch be a bit more stringent than other brands about quality control, if only to protect its reputation (supposed or not)?
5. All the vids are sub-titled in the language(s) spoken.... right? Sounds crazy but it's easier on the brain to hear & see it in the original then go back and watch it w/out sound with EN subtitles. I just hope it's not auto-translate.....

Back later with more coherent comments and questions...

Jim


Post# 959211 , Reply# 59   9/26/2017 at 07:53 by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Jim,

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You make some good points. Especially #1 and #3.

I have often thought that two of these, carefully built-in next to each other or at least permanently installed at a comfortable height, would make an excellent, if small, dishwashing arrangement for someone who couldn't/shouldn't bend over as is required by a standard size dishwasher. Not, of course, that there's any rule against elevating one of those to a more reasonable height. You see that done in Europe all the time, just as with front loading washing machines, here in the US.

 

As to polenta, I'm so used to the screaming queens in our social circle being offended by my cooking 'shortcuts' and kitchen cleaning ways, I've become immune to it. Italian cuisine (the best on the planet) is all about making simple things taste wonderful. Italians haven't lost sight of that. All too frequently, others have. Heck, look at the best tasting French food one can buy from street vendors. Then compare it to the hysterical Martha Stewart versions.

 

Now, to be sure, I have a friend in Munich who learned in a Michelin One Star whose rissoti are among the best on the planet and he doesn't cut corners. Of course, his pasta tastes so damn good because he doesn't dump out the water, he just keeps lifting the cooked pasta out and putting new in. No olive oil in the water, just lots of salt.

 

 


Post# 959222 , Reply# 60   9/26/2017 at 09:08 by Chachp (Conway, AR)        
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Here is a thread of mine from a while back on using a countertop dishwasher.  I use mine as a back up when needed and it does a great job.  It takes a while like most modern machines but it's very quiet and does a great job.

 

I agree with the comment about only using powder as the tabs are meant for full size machines that use more water.  I've never noticed tabs for sale for the countertop machines but that doesn't meant they don't exist.

 

www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T... 


Post# 959224 , Reply# 61   9/26/2017 at 09:17 by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Tabs and counter-top dishwashers

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Because of the scrubbing action and (for the US) high water temperatures, I use a countertop dishwasher to clean really horrid stuff when we're cooking large amounts of food.

This gets even the worst burnt-on stuff off (or, at least, down to where it can be done easily by hand):

1) I run the 'rinse and hold' or 'pre-wash' or whatever silly name they've given those two short rinses on the current model.

2) Add a tab and two tablespoons of TSP (gasp - the horrors! No doubt the dishes will come out with chelated this that or the other in their fibres!). None of our models have the automatic detergent dispenser, just the rinse-aid, hence the pre-rinse - warms dishes and unit, removes a lot of stuff (I clean the filter at that time, too).

3) Run the longest heated programme. On the manual models, I may repeat it. On the electronic, I just restart if necessary.

 

Damn, stuff comes out clean as a whistle which would otherwise never come clean. We all know the dangers of running these new detergents with nothing to 'work' on - and I agree. But for absolutely gobs of fat and tons of burnt-on food for the detergents to attack, I don't see the harm.


Post# 959525 , Reply# 62   9/28/2017 at 02:15 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

back in Brazil the tablets are usually round (The best one is Jimo). I used to break them in half.
Jimo is so strong that half tablet would clean a full load (regular size dishwasher)


Post# 960300 , Reply# 63   10/2/2017 at 21:08 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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an interesting counter top model from Panasonic.....







Post# 960326 , Reply# 64   10/3/2017 at 00:02 by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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I like that one!


Post# 960357 , Reply# 65   10/3/2017 at 04:31 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

Really cool!

Post# 960400 , Reply# 66   10/3/2017 at 10:33 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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Cool looking indeed, but why are they talking about oily residue and not about dirty dishes?

Post# 960405 , Reply# 67   10/3/2017 at 11:12 by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Louis,

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I wondered about that, too - poor translation? Different concepts? After all, menstrual blood in Germany is always blue in ads, whereas poop in the USofA looks just exactly like ping-pong balls - so maybe dirty dishes are 'oily?'


Post# 960410 , Reply# 68   10/3/2017 at 12:07 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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Yes, maybe. Or do the dishes need a prerinse before you put them in? I don't know, it just sounded strange.

Post# 960438 , Reply# 69   10/3/2017 at 15:10 by logixx (Germany)        

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I suppose with all the frying (in a Wok) that typical Asian households do, oil is the most common soil left on their plates, bowls and chopsticks.






Post# 960447 , Reply# 70   10/3/2017 at 15:47 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
Japanese dishwashers

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I've always thought that Japanese dishwashers were quite unique machines. Far too small for Western styles of cutlery and crockery though.

Post# 960476 , Reply# 71   10/3/2017 at 19:00 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

japanese dishwashers:

That was the very first think i thought when i saw the picture... In the USA no way. People would simply hate the design right after the first load.





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