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Post# 959565   9/28/2017 at 09:27 by peteski50 (New York)        

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can anyone ID this DW? The latch looks Hotpoint but the trim suggests GE!


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Post# 959568 , Reply# 1   9/28/2017 at 09:32 by RE563 (Fort Worth, Texas)        

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Could be a GE/Hotpoint. Could also be a Westinghouse

Post# 959571 , Reply# 2   9/28/2017 at 09:41 by appnut (TX)        

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Mid 1960s Hotpoint. Similar to 1st apartment in college.

Post# 959572 , Reply# 3   9/28/2017 at 09:48 by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
Westinghouse

its a late 60's - early 70's Westinghouse, the one with the timer dial that can be turned both ways, like a dryer. I think it has the air vent from the kick panel to cool the motor as well. They also made this "full panel" model for Montgomery Wards and Frigidaire after the WCI take-over. I have pics at home.

Post# 959811 , Reply# 4   9/29/2017 at 10:43 by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Didn't the motor run during dry to  pull air through the tub or something? I seem to remember that these were noisy, from start to finish.


Post# 959815 , Reply# 5   9/29/2017 at 11:19 by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Early 70s Westinghouse DW

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When we first saw this DW we could believe how cheaply a DW could be designed and built, Jeff and I had never seen anything like this, it made basic D&M DWs look good.This DW as WHs answer to the cheap builder DWs that GE had been building and selling for years.

About the only good thing you could say about it was it had a porcelain tub and inner door panel, unfortunately none of these WH DWs would ever last long enough to have to worry about rust, LOL.

This DW was so cheap that the racks did not have wheels [ only plastic slides ] it also had no detergent dispenser only an open cup inside the door divided in two sections that said 1&2, LOL. The DW would go directly into the wash and run for 20 minutes heating and circulating the initial fill with what ever detergent you put in and then go through 5 rinses. and like Tom mentioned the main motor ran all the time because they used the motors cooling fan to provide form of forced air drying.

We have a DW exactly like this one that I saved for the museum as a testament to how cheaply a DW could be built.

John L.


Post# 959877 , Reply# 6   9/29/2017 at 20:33 by chetlaham (United States)        
Cheap build

Anyone have pics of the insides? I don't think I have ever seen one of these before.

Post# 959882 , Reply# 7   9/29/2017 at 20:57 by brucelucenta ()        

Yeah, what he said.

Post# 960096 , Reply# 8   10/1/2017 at 19:25 by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Early 70s WH DW

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We have one here on display at the warehouse-museum that anyone is welcome to come see, Chad since you are so close by just come see if you are really interested, this DW is really an amazing cutting of corners and other cost cuts, one should see it in person.

 

John L.


Post# 961340 , Reply# 9   10/8/2017 at 13:31 by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
found it!

It think it's funny that they used 4 pages to say how wonderful this machine was!
Especially check out the "Automatic Detergent Dispenser"!


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Post# 961358 , Reply# 10   10/8/2017 at 16:47 by peteski50 (New York)        
Westinghouse

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Wow this is sad that they didn't even put in a regular detergent dispenser! I knew someone that had a builder grade Westinghouse DW from about 69 or 70 and it still had a regular dispenser - I was noisy animal but it did a decent job! The above brochure does make it look nice but that is to BOL for my taste!



Post# 961369 , Reply# 11   10/8/2017 at 18:17 by johnrk (Houston)        
BOL d/w

I'm shopping for a new d/w now; I saw at Lowe's that Frigidaire is still building one of this generation of machines. Has this plastic collapsible pole that comes up through the middle to get the top rack, then retracts again. You can't put anything in the middle on the bottom rack 'cause the cone can't come out.

Post# 961381 , Reply# 12   10/8/2017 at 20:05 by chetlaham (United States)        
Motor and pump

Is that a GE motor and pump mechanism? Looks like a direct knock off.

And not to forget, 18.5 gallons :) The rinse says 6 gallons, does that mean the main wash filled with more water or there were pre-washes on the model shown in the brochure?


Post# 961385 , Reply# 13   10/8/2017 at 20:24 by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Last Real Westinghouse DW

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Steve thanks for posting this information, this is the exact model we have. I guess I should be more generous toward WH as this detergent dispenser had to be one of the most reliable DDs ever, LOL.

 

The 6.8 gallons is not the amount of water it uses for rinsing if the full cycle is run.

 

The motor and pump are nothing like GEs except for the fact that there is a motor, pump and drain valve in one unit.

 

John L.


Post# 961391 , Reply# 14   10/8/2017 at 20:58 by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Great brochure, Steve, thanks!

The "Extra-Action" controls give you a Normal wash with five rinses. +/- 3 gallons for each, 18.5 total. I'll bet "RInse and Dry" is two fills/rinses.

I had a tad earlier portable BOL Westinghouse for a couple of years, passed it on to a couple of friends before losing track of it. One-dial-wonder, avocado green, but did have the Radiant Rinse Jet Dry dispenser and covered-auto dispenser for two washes. It actually was a good performer overall, nobody ever complained. I'm sure it was a thirsty piggie, but we had plenty of water back then, rationing hadn't yet started.


Post# 961409 , Reply# 15   10/8/2017 at 23:17 by chetlaham (United States)        

Did the pump use a shaded pole motor? From the brochure it looks a lot like a re-designed GE mechanism.

Thank you for clearing the cycle sequence. Though I can't imagine a rinse only cycle without switching off the heater.


On thing is for sure, I wish I could at LEAST see the service manual to one of these. I never knew they existed until now.


Post# 961446 , Reply# 16   10/9/2017 at 05:57 by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Last Real Westinghouse DW

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These DWs used a much more conventional looking motor built by WH, I guess it was technically a SP motor ? it looked like a large DD window fan motor, it ran at 3000 RPMs had a carbon steel 1/2" shaft [ sometimes the shafts would rust to the point they were only 1/4" in diameter ]. There was an externally mounted plastic squirrel cage fan [ the fan sometimes disintegrated and threw bits of melted-broken plastic out the toe-plate grille ] to cool the motor and provide the air circulation for the forced air drying.

 

The pump used a small tee type solenoid that was energized when ever the motor was running to keep the drain valve closed [ it was turned off to allow draining ] because it ran for the entire wash and rinse cycles they got very hot and often went up in smoke, so WH came up with a cool little aluminum heat sink that had to be installed on the replacement solenoids.

 

The pump used a push -on Bakelite impeller with a push-on copper chopper blade to breakup soft food waste.

 

All in all performance was just so-so, without a filter and good water distribution in the corners of the upper rack [ even with ideal loading ] and no real detergent dispenser for a 2nd wash when the water might actually be hot in the DW these did not win any awards for cleaning. The previous [ 1965-1970 ] WH DWs with the large white plastic rectangular filters worked MUCH better, but these DWs also had lots of durability issues.

 

I would rate both these WH DW designs as bad as D&M DWs in overall durability.

 

John L.


Post# 961467 , Reply# 17   10/9/2017 at 08:27 by chetlaham (United States)        

Thanks combo for the detail! :)

I downloaded a few of the service manuals, and I have to admit they are really unique machines. Motor runs during the dry cycle to force drying and yes- at first I was confused on why the sequence chart kept the solenoid energized- only to theorize its kept energized for washing and de-enegized for draining. Float switch cuts the power to both the fill and drain coils and energizes the main motor. Simple way of doing it. They also use a spring for a link between the solenoid and valve. The latter versions (Frigidaire) look improved with an inline filter that gets flushed via the drain hose. One thing that surprised on the WHs is that it appears like the open detergent cup models have two main washes, but becomes a rinse since there is no detergent.


Personally I think they were trying to compete with GE, but some things like the forced drying just added complexity and reduced reliability.





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