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Thread Number: 7270
beginner questions about 1952 hotpoint & does anyone have the matching dryer? |
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| Post# 143256 , Reply# 1 7/18/2006 at 07:15 (6,485 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida) | ||
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| Post# 143261 , Reply# 2 7/18/2006 at 08:24 (6,485 days old) by lesto (Atlanta) | ||
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How about a pic of the inside and a close-up of the timer control. You have a very rare Hotpoint! | ||
Post# 143262 , Reply# 3 7/18/2006 at 08:27 (6,485 days old) by gansky1  (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 143265 , Reply# 4 7/18/2006 at 08:57 (6,485 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Just Beautiful
Wow Brian that is a very cool washer!! Congrats on your find. Have you had it for long or is it a recent find? Back in 1952 it didn't matter whether the red or white or black on the cords matched up. Because the plugs were not polorized and you could simply turn the plug around and insert it into the wall socket in either direction. Do you have an electrical multimeter? I agree with Greg there is probably a loose wire inside the machine that is touching some metal, or a wire that the insulation has worn away and its touching some metal. You are going to have to examine all the wiring and use a meter to find the short. The short could also be in a component such as a solenoid or even the motor. Please do post a picture of the inside of the washer, we would love to see it! | ||
| Post# 143282 , Reply# 5 7/18/2006 at 09:55 (6,485 days old) by northwesty (Renton, WA) | ||
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Here is the inside. There is a vinyl flange around the top which looks basically new, it is grey in color. 
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| Post# 143286 , Reply# 7 7/18/2006 at 10:07 (6,485 days old) by northwesty (Renton, WA) | ||
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It is a little hard to see, but here is that broken hose that goes from the outer tub to the pump, I think. It is brittle but I hate to mess with the seal that is at the bottom of the outer tank, so I plan on hooking up that broken end with an elbow somethingorother hose I find someplace. 
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| Post# 143301 , Reply# 8 7/18/2006 at 11:10 (6,485 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK) | ||
Ok this is kinda obvious but....... | ||
| Post# 143304 , Reply# 9 7/18/2006 at 11:22 (6,485 days old) by lesto (Atlanta) | ||
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Cool timer know with the color patches. And I see it has, not just a rinse or even an overflow rinse but a DEEP overflow rinse! | ||
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Post# 143318 , Reply# 10 7/18/2006 at 12:12 (6,485 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA) |
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A very kool machine. I hope you will have her up and running soon. I know you will really enjoy it and those old things were very aggressive washers---and cleaned well. | ||
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Post# 143326 , Reply# 11 7/18/2006 at 13:24 (6,485 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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I assume from this the red MAY be the earth/ground????? . Back in 1952 there was only two prong plug that could fit into the wall socket either way. One side is Hot the other is neutral. Both sides are interchangable as the plug could be inserted into the wall socket in either direction which would change the polarity of the entire machine. here is that broken hose that goes from the outer tub to the pump, I think. It is brittle but I hate to mess with the seal that is at the bottom of the outer tank, so I plan on hooking up that broken end with an elbow somethingorother hose I find someplace. Brian that is an easy fix. At any hardware store, just get a hose barb connector, two clamps and a bit of washer drain hose length. Just insert the hose connector into the end of the broken hose and clamp it down. Then insert the new hose into the end of the broken hose and cut the hose so it reaches the pump port. Since I believe the pump swings with the wash tub in this machine, be sure to use enough extra hose to the hose to stretch during unbalanced loads. | ||
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Post# 143351 , Reply# 12 7/18/2006 at 14:40 (6,485 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA) |
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Just realized that the "Hotpoint" on the console must light up when machine is on. Some "Rust-o-leum" Crystal Clear Enamel spray will do wonders for restoring that bakelite agitator to its former shine. Can't wait to see her up and running. | ||
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Post# 143354 , Reply# 13 7/18/2006 at 15:11 (6,485 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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| Post# 143382 , Reply# 14 7/18/2006 at 17:07 (6,484 days old) by westytoploader () | ||
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Wow, nice find, this has to be the earliest Hotpoint yet! Is this a 100% Beam machine, before the spider-clutch design? | ||
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Post# 143384 , Reply# 15 7/18/2006 at 17:19 (6,484 days old) by rinso (Meridian Idaho) |
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Aha! A Hotpoint with fluid drive, no doubt. Just like a 1949 De Soto. | ||
| Post# 143444 , Reply# 16 7/18/2006 at 21:40 (6,484 days old) by eddy1210 (Burnaby BC Canada) | ||
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Post# 143446 , Reply# 17 7/18/2006 at 21:52 (6,484 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 143447 , Reply# 18 7/18/2006 at 21:52 (6,484 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 143448 , Reply# 19 7/18/2006 at 21:53 (6,484 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 143449 , Reply# 20 7/18/2006 at 21:54 (6,484 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Harmoniously Matched Laundry! | ||
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Post# 143474 , Reply# 22 7/19/2006 at 02:30 (6,484 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 143495 , Reply# 23 7/19/2006 at 06:47 (6,484 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA) |
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Interesting "Thriftivator"----don't know if I ever remember one of those. Seem to remember only the familiar plain "straight-vane". Shape reminds me of the S.Q., or Thor. | ||
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Post# 143528 , Reply# 24 7/19/2006 at 09:50 (6,484 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 143532 , Reply# 26 7/19/2006 at 10:37 (6,484 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Time to experiment.
Brian, If it blows in one second than its probably not the motor start switch. Brian, if you remove the fuse from the circuit, does your breaker box trip? Take the two wires off of the fuse and tie them together. Then start the washer, don't let it run for more than 10 seconds, does you circuit breaker trip? When powering up the washer, do not touch the machine in any way when making this test. Make this test in fill. Then do it in wash. Then do it again in spin. What happens? | ||
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Post# 143760 , Reply# 28 7/20/2006 at 08:19 (6,483 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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WELCOME Brian
Here are some more tips of the trade: On the plug to wall socket on these older machines a word of caution: On some early machines if you reversed the plug into the wall socket then the whole cabinet became alive and you would get a 120v shock off the cabinet. Early Bendix will do this, my 1955 just whalloped me this spring in fact. (How they marketed a machine with a defect like that with UL & CU in force in 1955 I'll never know!) I have never worked on an early Hotpoint so be careful how you wire or plug the machine in, check the cabinet to ground with your Volt meter before touching it with your hands to be sure there is no electrification of the cabinet. From what Uni has proposed it sounds like to me the motor is trying to turn but something is jamming it. Can you remove the motor from the tranny and test it on a bench somewhere to see if it gets up to speed? Hopefully it's as simple as a seized bearing, but if you feel playing with the motor is over your head then I would tell you to take it out of the machine(with the machine unplugged ofcourse) and take it to a motor repair shop where they can bench test it for you safely. First Inspect the motor windings to see if they are charred or burned or smell burned. MAKE SURE YOU SECURE THE MOTOR BEFORE ACTIVATING IT AS IT WILL JUMP AND TWIST WHEN STARTED and you don't want a 25 pound motor being flung up at you do you! If it does not start then I would guess A) its the shaft bearings in the motor end bells running dry OR B) the motor start switch is stuck on and if so then the motor will run slow, grind and get very hot to the touch Once you eliminate the motor then you have to start looking at the machine mechanism. With the motor lead ends taped up with insulation you could test the machine now and see if it still blew a fuse, then you'd know there is something wrong in the electrics and not the physical mechanism. If the motor does run freely out of the machine then you have some kind of jam in the mechanism: which could mean A) major part failure OR my personal guess B) the machine sat for a very long time and you just have a seized bearing somewhere in the mechanism that needs some manual turning and then lubrication. We have seen a few pre war Bendix that will not budge until you loosen up the tub by hand turning, they had sat so long in one position. Once loose again they work fine. Nice treasure you have there looking forward to seeing that baby wash again. Jet | ||
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Post# 143775 , Reply# 29 7/20/2006 at 09:24 (6,483 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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| Post# 143826 , Reply# 31 7/20/2006 at 12:01 (6,483 days old) by lesto (Atlanta) | ||
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Sounds like the motor bearings are frozen up to me. I think you made need to remove the motor and have it checked. | ||
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Post# 143830 , Reply# 32 7/20/2006 at 12:34 (6,483 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Yes I agree with Les. Brian, why don't you take the motor out of the machine, take the fluid drive off and photographic it. We can help you dismantle it from there if you can provide pictures. Also we need to make sure that the motor is not grounded, with the motor out of the machine see if there is continuity between the motor case and either of its two wires. If so its a gonner. | ||
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Post# 143853 , Reply# 34 7/20/2006 at 14:56 (6,483 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 143880 , Reply# 35 7/20/2006 at 16:28 (6,482 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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The Pump Could Be the Cluprit | ||
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Post# 144082 , Reply# 37 7/21/2006 at 13:02 (6,482 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Hi Brian, congratulations on getting the motor up and running. OK on early Hotpoint washer you had to start the machine in the fill stage and when the proper water level was reached you turned the dial to the proper washing time and then from that point on its all automatic. I suspect that your machine is that way, although if you read the brochure that Greg posted it alludes to a more automatic way, so I'm not sure about your machine. Does the timer make that "ZIP" sound during the first fill cycle? Speaking of the "ZIP" sound its called an "Increment Click". That little "gizmo" below the timer box where that sound is coming from is called the Escapement. It sounds like the Escapment is bad and its not an easy fix, you will probably need a new one with parts. Your best bet would be to call Midwest Timer Service and see if they have a rebuilt one in stock: 800-254-7260. If not, you can always send them the timer and they can rebuild it for you. In the owners manual library I've posted the owners manual to the 1949 Hotpoint if you wish to see it, I've linked to it below. CLICK HERE TO GO TO unimatic1140's LINK | ||
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Post# 144091 , Reply# 38 7/21/2006 at 14:45 (6,482 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR) |
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on early Hotpoint washer you had to start the machine in the | ||
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Post# 144117 , Reply# 39 7/21/2006 at 16:09 (6,481 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Stupid questions #766a & b: | ||
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Post# 144121 , Reply# 40 7/21/2006 at 16:18 (6,481 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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