Thread Number: 72707  /  Tag: Ranges, Stoves, Ovens
New 20" Range for our NYC Walk-Up
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Post# 960849   10/5/2017 at 19:22 by Stricklybojack (San Diego, CA)        

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This model has a nice cast iron grate and a quality look/feel. Most 20" stoves are appalling exercises in chintzyness. I saw the 24" and loved the sale price and thankfully the salesman chimed in with the fact it also came in a 20" version that was otherwise identical...except cheaper, "I'll take it".

Our current Wel-Bilt has a pilot light and a dodgy oven. The problem is the pilot makes our tiny apartment smell of gas as there is no vent hood. I am trying to rent the place and twenty-somethings are not cool with "funky" any more. None of them would be comfortable trying to light the oven.
We already have the 100+ year old bathtub-in the-kitchen-tenement so I don't need anything else to give pause.

Entry level models were hideous and about $200 cheaper, highest line models were Italian and $1500 more expensive...but not 20" (only 24") like our place pretty much demands.
Arranging delivery and haul away is such a pain in the city, that new was worth the primium over a used unit. And my time here is very short on this visit so this Avanti was a no brainer for me.

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Post# 960873 , Reply# 1   10/5/2017 at 23:06 by peteski50 (New York)        
20" Range!!

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very nice range - I used to have a old Wincroft that looked similar to the wel-bilt!
Best of Luck with it!

Post# 960876 , Reply# 2   10/6/2017 at 01:10 by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Wow, 20" Welbilts! My dad sold a ton of those back in the day. Like all stoves of the era, these were built like tanks. Never fancy, always plain but they were porcelain, inside and out. The burner knobs on the one above are aftermarket and it is missing the back panel. Still, it will far outlive anything you get today.

Post# 960881 , Reply# 3   10/6/2017 at 01:48 by Stricklybojack (San Diego, CA)        

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I still have the back panel but the original burner knobs were mostly unusable.
It's really a solid stove the Wel-Bilt but for the reasons mentioned it has to go.
If anybody wants it (free!) let me know cause it's a goner on Saturday.

Post# 960886 , Reply# 4   10/6/2017 at 05:49 by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Good for you!

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It's astonishing how often I encounter situations we can only solve with the 20" or 24" stoves. There's not much available on the US market. I'm much happier with Premier than many of the members here (when your client stands between juggling hotplates and toaster ovens and a working 4 burner stove with a 'big-enough for a 20lb turkey' oven', it's a no-brainer).

This, though, really doesn't look like a compromise - it looks great!

Post# 961166 , Reply# 5   10/7/2017 at 17:22 by Stricklybojack (San Diego, CA)        

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Wow...been a long day but she's in.
The electronic flame ignition was malfunctioning, always clicking the same burner no matter what control you used, even the oven. I was VERY worried I had a dud and would have to repeat the whole crazy time consuming procedure I had just finished.
Then I looked at the instructions and noticed how they made a big deal about using a grounded electrical cord...which I did not. I thought, "gee a 3 pronged plug, what's the point?"
So out came the 3 pronged orange extension cord used in winter for our backup heaters...and voila, she works like a dream.
I have since bought a dedicated HD 3 prong 6' appliance extension cord which is routed behind the refrigerator, and I now consider the job done.
This range replacement required 3 trips out about town: one to the appliance dealer on 14th st, one to the plumbing supply on 1st st, and one to the hardware store on 6th st. In San Diego that would have been three car trips; here in the-big-city I got my exercise in without even trying.
I really love the cast iron grates...all the other 20" ranges I know of have the flimsy kind.
I've added a couple more pics to give you a taste of tenement livin'
See link for specs on this Avanti model DGR20P3S.

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Post# 961833 , Reply# 6   10/10/2017 at 20:31 by cuffs054 (GA)        

Strickly, I always wondered what those apt. were like. Never lived in the big city and would be fascinated to see more.

Post# 961836 , Reply# 7   10/10/2017 at 20:47 by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor)        

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Been in a few of those smaller apartments in NYC and still would rather have that old Wellbilt if I was living there.

Post# 961930 , Reply# 8   10/11/2017 at 10:48 by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Cool Apartment

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Wheres the DW and I at least hope there is an Ice Maker in the refrigerator, I know its NY so I won't ask about a garbage disposer, LOL,

Thats one of the many great things about city living in Washington DC, Garbage Disposers are required, I can't imagine keeping a kitchen clean and smelling nice with garbage in the kitchen.

Post# 961936 , Reply# 9   10/11/2017 at 11:04 by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)        

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And here I thought most NYC apartments were like the one on Will & Grace. That's what happens when you've never been to New York.

Post# 962005 , Reply# 10   10/11/2017 at 17:04 by Stricklybojack (San Diego, CA)        

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Garbage is collected thrice weekly. There are trash cans (inside the building) at bottom of the stairs, near the side door. We empty the bin in our apartment every night to keep the air free of odor.
Also, there is no way I would chose the Wel-Bilt or any vintage stove in this small space. The pilot light made the air very stuff/rank if the windows are not open, only 330 sq ft people.
Here are some more pics that happen to be on my iPad. These pics were taken to rent the place while we are in San Diego. When the full family is ensconced it is vastly more cluttered.
The Japanese paper screens open to reveal storage space. The transoms help keep it cool in summer;
twenty-something looking to rent, "wuts a transom?".

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Post# 962009 , Reply# 11   10/11/2017 at 17:47 by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Older apt. buildings (early 20th century) usually had a dumb waiter in the kitchen, where you'd simply lower the garbage pail for it to be emptied and disposed of by the porter. My coop building (built in 1964) has a trash room on every floor. You open a chute door and toss the trash and voila, out of sight, out of mind.


And yes John, we have garbage disposers.   It is the world capital after all. wink

Post# 962053 , Reply# 12   10/11/2017 at 23:36 by johnrk (Houston)        
NYC apartments?

Having lived in various parts of Texas for all of my sixty-two years, living in a place like this apartment isn't much removed from living on Mars. I am indeed so delighted that people like living there, because I want everyone to be happy where they live. If rats are indeed present all over that city as I've heard about forever, I'm happy to avoid it. Here in the Houston area, where we not only don't have rent controls but also don't have zoning, when a building gets old and nasty it's torn down and new apartments built. In fact, that's pretty much the same all over Texas except for parts of Austin.

I bought my first home here in TX just outside Houston while in college, at the age of twenty-one. I must admit, the thought would be very, very depressing to me to never be able to afford my own home, but paying rent forever. Also, even though sometimes I don't feel like working in it, I love having my own yard. Even staying in very nice hotels, I always 'feel' people on the other side of the walls. Again, I'm glad everyone doesn't agree with me--then we'd be growing even more than we are down here!

Post# 962210 , Reply# 13   10/12/2017 at 21:13 by cuffs054 (GA)        

Strickly, thanks for the pix. The layout is just like the ones in the "Tenement History" site. Any chance you could get pix of the basement area, heating equip, electrical and all that?

Post# 962227 , Reply# 14   10/12/2017 at 22:24 by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

A lot of older apartments in NYC have had a lot of ad hoc modifications made over the decades. You find some strange set-ups.

One thing I've only seen or heard of in NYC is a studio apartment that has a separate kitchen. Does this exist elsewhere?

I once dated a guy who had a tub in his kitchen. There was a shower, but it was located somewhere else, away from both the tub and microscopic water closet.

You have one-pipe steam heat?

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