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Post# 961403   10/8/2017 at 22:39 by ovrphil (N.Atlanta Georgia )        

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..this would normally go into Ultramatic's "Vintage Electronics.." but I wanted to make sure some people I know see this one. $$$

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Post# 961457 , Reply# 1   10/9/2017 at 07:01 by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Were Pilots

Any good, I have never seen but one or two of them around here.

Post# 961479 , Reply# 2   10/9/2017 at 09:18 by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        

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Used good components - that Garrard turntable is very much OK and the output transformers in the power-amp are over-dimensioned for the relatively low power their putting out. I didn't see the speakers, but if they're typical for the era in being well over 95% efficient, then, yes, this console would have been capable of the full dynamic range of Tchaikovsky's 1825 Overture.

Pretty cabinet and orderly assembly in any case.

Post# 961499 , Reply# 3   10/9/2017 at 12:06 by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)        
Pilot consoles...

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were among the best ever made, short only of custom builds using Marantz & McIntosh components or TOL Fishers, equivalent to Fisher's mid-upper models. This one sold for around $900 ca 1961-2. We've had 2 Pilot consoles over the last 20 yrs, both using the same super nice SA-232 component 4 x EL-84 output tube stereo amplifier and FA-690 tuner-preamp shown here. A few Pilot consoles had their TOL SA260 EL-34 amp, that amp now selling for $1500+ when you can find one.

The fine and desirable SA232 amp alone can bring $800-900+ nowadays. The unit shown behind the amp is the stand-alone multiplex unit. The tuner preamp section is quite excellent, not dissimilar in design to the SP215 , one of which we've had (and should have kept), and SP216 preamps, both bringing $1500-2000 these days. Dick Sequerra and Sid Smith (of Marantz 10c tuner fame) both worked as engineers at Pilot, who'd been making radios since the 1920s. This particular Garrard is decent, their mid-line/econo model. The component speakers were not proprietary but OEM Jensen and a few others. Anyone nearby should grab this ...asap!! Thanks for posting Phil!

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Post# 961501 , Reply# 4   10/9/2017 at 12:23 by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)        
rectifier tube...

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is a slow warm up 5AR4.
On closer examination this amp section, while very similar to the SA-232, seems to have been a console-only model, positioned just below in their line, the opt X-frmers are a tad smaller, tube layout slightly different, though tube complement and the big pwr x-frmer are the same. Transformer size, all things being equal, are a pretty good reflection of sound quality, iirc Pilot often used Magnetic Windings units, but memory isn't what it used to be...

Post# 961503 , Reply# 5   10/9/2017 at 12:29 by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)        
guess I should have read the original CL ad first...

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as he says it's a 500 amp, which would indeed be a console-specific amp, and the console sold for ~ $600, then goes on to mention the SA-232. Most likely a very fine sounding console nonetheless. One with the 232 would have sold for $900-1100, according to my contemporaneous references. Please someone snag this thing!

Post# 961624 , Reply# 6   10/9/2017 at 22:48 by ovrphil (N.Atlanta Georgia )        
Thanks for looking...

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Post# 961881 , Reply# 7   10/11/2017 at 03:25 by tolivac (greenville nc)        

That is one very nice Hi-Fi console!Yes,was struck over by the oversized output transformers used with the 6BQ5/EL84 power amp tubes.This is like a Scott amp I had so many years ago.They too,had the oversized output transformers-but that little amp sure had good BASS response for a 7189 amp!
I have a Pilot receiver I fished out of the dumpster at the trash transfer station here.Has the 6BM8 Triode-pentode output tubes-Also seen these as vertical out-osc stages in TV sets.Another place was in Ampex 600 series tubes single motor RR tape decks-used in two positions-Bias oscillator-erase stage,and the audio output stage for decks that has the R/P amps that could drive a speaker.The 600 decks were used in smaller radio stations.

Post# 962135 , Reply# 8   10/12/2017 at 12:13 by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        

Listing has been deleted and re-posted now at $550, down from $600.

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Post# 962142 , Reply# 9   10/12/2017 at 12:46 by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        

Sorry, I meant down from $650.

Post# 962164 , Reply# 10   10/12/2017 at 15:44 by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        
95% efficient speakers?

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Not sure what is meant by that. I've never heard of any speaker modern or vintage that had an efficiency over a couple percentage points...

Post# 962322 , Reply# 11   10/13/2017 at 16:52 by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)        

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assume that they mean 95dB/W/m

Post# 962429 , Reply# 12   10/14/2017 at 08:31 by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
I meant dB not %

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When I referred to the 95+ efficiency. Roger A. already posted the entire characteristic above - at one meter, the amount of sound pressure per watt input.

So, yeah, sorry about that, in the end, this 'little' power amp coupled with high efficiency speakers sounds more than loud enough.

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Post# 962491 , Reply# 13   10/14/2017 at 14:22 by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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After I posted it dawned on me you meant sensitivity, lots of people consider that the same thing. If only there was a 95% efficient speaker then we could all get by fine with a couple watt amplifier. An acoustic watt is about the right amount of power into my room, but we need a couple hundred watts of amp power to get that.

The down side of sensitive/efficient speakers is they have lots of resonances that go undamped. But that is the sound of the 50's I suppose

Post# 962512 , Reply# 14   10/14/2017 at 15:20 by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        

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The only Pilot Radio item I've ever had any experience with was a tiny early portable TV set (similar to the one pictured below).  It had a 3" screen, but it didn't work.  It belonged to a friend I knew around 1970 when such things were considered junk by repair shops.


I sort of remember PR being a respectable brand, but had no idea they produced fine quality audio consoles like the one pictured above.  No wonder we had an Airline console instead.


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Post# 962515 , Reply# 15   10/14/2017 at 15:22 by ovrphil (N.Atlanta Georgia )        
Miniature TV!

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Cute...and I thought in the 70's, those small tv's were new and innovative.

Post# 962904 , Reply# 16   10/16/2017 at 16:39 by kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)        

I believe that 1948 Pilot set was the first TV to sell for less than $100.

Pilot built some very nice stereo receivers around 1960.

Post# 963002 , Reply# 17   10/17/2017 at 10:45 by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)        
Pilot Radio

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dates way back to the 1920s, they were an early entrant into the radio scene.

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