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Post# 961647   10/10/2017 at 03:43 by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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I know these are not available here in the States, but it's a solid tub machine.  This is a cute commercial for it.  Is this type washer available in Europe? 




and here is an article about how it works.

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Post# 961656 , Reply# 1   10/10/2017 at 05:59 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

In Europe you mainly have FL machines, TL is hard to find, some catering companies sells them.. but you only have like two brands to chose from, usually whirlpool or speed queen/Huebsch (wish we had more options)


I wonder how that machine works! How doesnít it drain, pilling? It sure looks interesting


Post# 961664 , Reply# 2   10/10/2017 at 07:08 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Another example of 'everything old is new again.' Aficionados of vintage solid-tub machines have known for decades that they use less water than machines that have perforated tubs (which require an outer tub). Some have argued they rinse more efficiently, as well.

I don't live at the beach, so sand disposal would not be an issue. Will be interesting to see if the use of solid tubs becomes more widespread.


Post# 961666 , Reply# 3   10/10/2017 at 07:16 by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        

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Where is this washer being sold?

 

Hopefully someone will get one and try it out, Thomas are these available in Brazil ?

 

I can see grit and sand being a problem getting built up under the impeller, it would be fun to do the Lady's Westinghouse white glove test on this washer LOL


Post# 961668 , Reply# 4   10/10/2017 at 07:17 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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It's a video from the Sharp Asean channel so Asia. Perhaps they show up in Australia sometime, but I don't know how big the market share of Sharp is in Australia.

Post# 961681 , Reply# 5   10/10/2017 at 08:38 by iej (Ireland)        

It's hard to overemphasise how standards front loaders are in Europe. There were other designs of machines in use in the 1970s and a few obscure uses of centre agitator machines but they're about as common as 3 wheel cars and unicycles.

I've never seen a modern pulsator type washing machine on sale here. They were commonly used in non automatic machines in the early and mid 20th century but they disappeared as a concept.

I also don't think they'd cut it for water consumption and would get a poor rating, as you still have to fill the tub quite deeply to get them to agitate as it's all about moving the water.

Unfortunately, if you're a washer geek, Europe is just endless versions of front loaders and has been for nearly 50 years at this stage.

Also there are no HE detergents because the default is HE so you need only to specify if a detergent isn't suitable for use in washing machines. There are a couple or obscure detergents available for use in hand washing and very old machines like twin tubs but they're not stocked by most supermarkets.

For laundry appliances, t's an extremely standardized market compared to North America and Asia.


Post# 961690 , Reply# 6   10/10/2017 at 09:26 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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There are however some differences between the European countries. The biggest difference is the availability of H-axis toploaders. On the mainland they are more available than in the UK and Ireland. Especially in France and even more in Paris, they are the preferred type of washing machine.

Also in southern European countries you'll find some other brands than in northern Europe and in eastern Europe you'll find some other brands too.

And then there is Switzerland. Mainly frontloaders too, but with some of their own Swiss brands like Huwa and Wyss Mirella. V-Zug is a bit more avaible, but is better available in Switzerland than in other countries.



Post# 961789 , Reply# 7   10/10/2017 at 16:43 by RevvinKevin (Between Mickey Mouse & the Queen Mary (So. Cal.)        
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It looks like these machines, available in 3 sizes, 7.5kg, 8.5kg and 10.5kg are being marketed in the Philippines.

 

Model numbers: Sharp ES-U75GP-BL, ES-U85GP-BL, and ES-U105HP-SL.

 

Link below: Sharp - Philippines website.



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Post# 961792 , Reply# 8   10/10/2017 at 17:07 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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Thank you Kevin, the brochure is nice. However it doesn't say a thing about how it empties.

Post# 961795 , Reply# 9   10/10/2017 at 17:21 by RevvinKevin (Between Mickey Mouse & the Queen Mary (So. Cal.)        

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I haven't looked at the brochure yet, but I will later.

 

Maybe it empties like the solid tubs from days of yore.. spin and water out over the top?  Who knows.  

 

I'd sure like to see what that "W-screw" and "improved Cyclone Pulsatorlooks like!

 

Side note: you may notice the it has a "rat proof plastic base".  This is because many people have their washing machines outside (tho under cover) and rats getting inside and chewing on things is a problem for many I'm sure. 

 

Boy I'll tell you, the Philippines are WAY behind he times regarding the internet, websites, etc.... most companies either don't have a webpage, or if they do, it's only one page with basic info.   I'm somewhat surprised the Sharp website has as much info and is a well put together as it is.   However there is NO information about how to contact the company!  No phone numbers, e-mail address or business address!

 

 


Post# 961800 , Reply# 10   10/10/2017 at 17:49 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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There is contact info on top of the page with some symbols for email and telephone.

Post# 961802 , Reply# 11   10/10/2017 at 17:55 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

Iím quite surprised that itís belt drive and not DD!

Post# 961810 , Reply# 12   10/10/2017 at 19:28 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Not available in Brazil, AFAIK.

Post# 961830 , Reply# 13   10/10/2017 at 20:17 by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO)        

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That's because they don't want to talk to anyone, write any letters or know where their shit product is made. See how it washes? Swirling clothes around in a little bit of water. They actually admitted that putrefaction will be building up on the outer tub. More stinking, rotting old awful! And more brainwashing for the water control/PC freaks that think all this is going to solve something when we should all know by now that it won't and these machines will probably be in the landfill in ten years or less. Where's the resourcefulness in that? Don't try to answer, that was just rhetorical. There is no answer for that.

The only answer for that is population reduction. If we look deeply, nearly every problem we face is due to over population. Unfortunately, as humans we can't seem to solve this problem. But Mother Nature will solve it for us and she will be ruthless. Over 8 billion people in the world? Think about that. When I was in high school my biology teacher told the class if any one of us could show her a million of anything that was quantifiable she would give us an "A" for the semester. No one could do it. Now consider 8 billion. Sorry for the rant over a washing machine but it needed to be said.

As far as the machine goes, stupid commercial, nothing new, complete failure.

I'll take part of that back. They didn't admit that mold and debris from the outer tub will get to your laundry but you can bet your ass it will be there with only a few cups of water to rinse it down with and still reeking like all get out.





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Post# 961844 , Reply# 14   10/10/2017 at 21:28 by Revvinkevin (Between Mickey Mouse & the Queen Mary (So. Cal.)        

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Gee Brian, do you HATE on modern washers very often???

Why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel?


Post# 961869 , Reply# 15   10/11/2017 at 00:27 by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO)        

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Kevin,
I looked back through my old threads and as best I can tell I've made 9 negative comments on new machines, 3 good comments, and 1 general comment. One of the negative comments was about my sister's LG machine that had some kind of an issue several years ago. I looked around the door boot and saw things no one should ever see in a washing machine. It looked like a laboratory experiment gone very wrong. And she left the door open when not in use. She moved into a new house with a top load impeller machine that she hates and has decided she now wants vintage.

The only reason I committed on this thread was because I saw solid tub and was intrigued. Then after I saw it operate I thought same old song and dance. Complete disappointment. I should have known better to expect anything different. Have you noticed that a lot of people that used to post no longer do? This is why. I didn't say anything untrue about the post. In fact I corrected myself. As panthera says "the Imperial Queens" are going to get lonely when they're the only ones left talking.

Brian


Post# 961882 , Reply# 16   10/11/2017 at 04:04 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Brian...

I have to disagree...

There are MANY new washing machines that are EXCELLENT and they don't use a tablespoon of water.

Try a Magic Chef 1.6 cu ft for example... I'm nearly sure you'll love it.
real hot wash, real rinse (just forget the normal cycle exists)

The first HE washers had several issues, but now they are getting better year after year.

have you seen how much water a Samsung uses? And yes, there is a cycle that fills only with hot water AND boosts the temp with the internal heater.

Front loaders... WOW.... some new front loaders are really impressive.

I don't now you but in my opinion, i don't need to see the water, i need to see RESULTS! If the load leaves the washer perfectly rinsed, and the washer used less water to achieve that, great!

I feel miserable when people complain as if designers (like me) and engineers were always brainstorming and having a secret diabolic agenda to make washers intentionally horrible only to make consumers angry.

And yes, nowadays it is possible to save water and have excellent results, but like always, washers need maintenance. The LG washer you saw was nasty? Well, did she clean the boot regularly? What about the washing machine cleaning cycle?

How many nasty vintage or "not so vintage" washers you've seen? Did you know one needs to clean the drum holes (top ring) on a frigidaire top loader otherwise that area will be nasty with lint and mineral deposits?
Guess what. if you use a vintage westinghouse as a daily driver nowadays, using the detergents that manufacturers can do nowadays (respecting the environmental laws imposed by the government), it will be nasty.

So, don't blame us. We continue trying our best, but we have different challenges nowadays. 100% perfect is impossible, even for a speed queen.


Post# 961886 , Reply# 17   10/11/2017 at 04:21 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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So Brian, the impeller machine your sister had was a Sharp?

In the video I see a washing machine filled almost to the top and laundry fully immersed, so I don't see where you got the idea it only uses a few cups of water.

I think it is unnecessary to mention population reduction in a thread about a new washing machine we hardly know yet. We don't discuss politics in the public forums as you should know.



Post# 961901 , Reply# 18   10/11/2017 at 07:29 by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Gross Moldy Slimy Washers

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Hi Brain, no one has seen more gross moldy washers of all kinds than we have, I see them everyday, and every day I see the same machines in other homes that are perfectly clean and smell great.

 

The other month I had a call on a MT LA712 where the customer reported the machine smelled allfaw and she said was making her [ clean ] laundry smell bad.

I had to raise the top remove the tub cover take a wire brush to the balance ring and use putty knifes to scrape the crud loose, and then the real work begins, trying to teach the customer how to do laundry.

 

Last week I got a call on a 10YO Maytag 24" SS built FL washer [ these machines filled the tub with lots of water, almost to the bottom of the door ], it was gross, the women asked why it was always so bad smelling. and I just had to tell her it was all in the way she used the machine. At first she couldn't believe that I blamed her, but as we talked she could tell I knew my stuff [ she had also gotten recommendations from several other owners in the building for us ] In 15 minutes time I sold her a new 24" GE LG built FL washer and a new GE OTR MWO, she was thrilled to find someone to solve her appliance problems.

 

I guess you are not close to your Sister but the mess in her LG is entirely of her making and as a laundry expert you should have been able to help her not get into that mess. I have never wiped down any inside part or boot on any washer [ or DW for that matter ] I have ever used and owned [ including my 12 YO SQ FLW, it is just not necessary if you are using the machine properly.

 

John L.


Post# 961941 , Reply# 19   10/11/2017 at 11:56 by brucelucenta (xyz)        

All I can say is about time! I have always thought solid tub machines were just fine for most washing. Only if you have a great deal of sediment and/or sand would there be any issue. The old Norge solid tub machines did do a terrific job of cleaning and rinsing clothes back in the 50's along with several other machines.

Post# 962896 , Reply# 20   10/16/2017 at 15:57 by agiflow2 (iselin, nj)        

Speaking of solid tub machines. For you guys and gals that own one or two. What is the biggest or who made the largest capacity solid tub washer of any of the manufacturers ? I'm thinking probably Speed Queen .

Would it be possible to make a super capacity solid tub today comparable to say the current speed queen washers and have it fit in the same dimension cabinets ?





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