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Thread Number: 72782
/ Tag: Detergents and Additives
Tide vs. Persil & and the rest |
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Post# 961652 10/10/2017 at 05:13 (2,383 days old) by Launderess  (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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| Post# 961654 , Reply# 1 10/10/2017 at 05:33 (2,383 days old) by MrAlex (London, UK) | ||
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Post# 961665 , Reply# 2 10/10/2017 at 07:12 (2,383 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 961673 , Reply# 3 10/10/2017 at 07:40 (2,383 days old) by dermacie (my forever home (Glenshaw, PA)) |
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| Post# 961687 , Reply# 4 10/10/2017 at 09:13 (2,383 days old) by iej (.... ) | ||
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Interesting that they seem to use fewer enzymes than European versions at that tier. CLICK HERE TO GO TO iej's LINK | ||
| Post# 961692 , Reply# 5 10/10/2017 at 09:36 (2,383 days old) by verizonbear (Glen Burnie ) | ||
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| Post# 961704 , Reply# 6 10/10/2017 at 10:15 (2,383 days old) by MrAlex (London, UK) | ||
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Post# 961722 , Reply# 8 10/10/2017 at 11:56 (2,383 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Persil ProClean 2-in-1 Ten Dimensions Of Clean: Someone posted the newest version of Persil (with the '10 Dimensions of Clean' logo) rinses out better than the older formula. I bought a jug of the new stuff, but want to finish the original formula before I crack it open.
Kind of like Tide's 'Turbo HE' formula, with its 'quickly collapsing suds, I suppose. | ||
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Post# 961733 , Reply# 9 10/10/2017 at 12:32 (2,383 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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Post# 961771 , Reply# 10 10/10/2017 at 15:09 (2,383 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Liquid detergents
IIRC in general tend to cause greater foaming at high to very high wash temperatures. Owner's manuals for older European washing machines (Asko, Miele, etc...) recommended using powders when doing boil/high temperature washes for this reason.
My bottle of Persil color gel (from Germany) has temps listed of 20c, 40c and 60c. Meanwhile the boxes of Persil powder or megaperls are good for and up to boil wash temperatures. To be fair the main reason for using wash temps >140F in past was to activate and or give better action from the oxygen bleaches nearly all European powders contained (except those for colors obviously). Liquid detergents do not contain oxygen bleach so the higher temps may be a moot issue. Have used Persil "2 in 1" Pro-Clean at temps of 120F and while it made suds it was nothing too serious. Never tried so far at hot to boiling wash temperatures. Thing is the stuff creates already lots of suds (very careful dosing is required), so am not tempted to test limits. This post was last edited 10/10/2017 at 15:57 | ||
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Post# 961773 , Reply# 11 10/10/2017 at 15:23 (2,383 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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Very interesting read for the detergent enthusiats among us.
One thing I`d like to object is the claim that enzymes were first added to detergents in the late 60`s. This claim is accurate considering modern detergents as we know them today but not for laundry products in general. An enzyme containing product for pre soaking laundry called "Burnus" was patented as early as 1914. Back then the enzymes were derived from bovine pancreas. Burnus wasn`t a huge success in Germany like biological Ariel in the 60`s, but I thought it might be worth to mention that P&G and Henkel were pretty late to the party when it comes to the merits of enzymes on washday. CLICK HERE TO GO TO mrboilwash's LINK | ||
| Post# 961776 , Reply# 12 10/10/2017 at 15:28 (2,383 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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Interesting read! Thanks for that! I'm quite intrigued by P&G's glucanase enzyme. Is it related to the glycosidases which were previously in P&G detergents? iej - the link doesn't work for me either... | ||
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Post# 961781 , Reply# 13 10/10/2017 at 15:55 (2,383 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Linked article was somewhat misleading
In that many versions of Tide do contain cellulase.
In fact so do quite few other detergents and other laundry products including offerings from Seventh Generation www.ewg.org/guides/substances/193... IIRC all P&G detergents (Tide, Cheer, etc...) are made from one master base formula; then things are either added or subtracted based upon which of the score or whatever different products is being made. Thus it would stand to reason more than one variation of Tide, Method, Seventh Generation and so forth would have cellulase. If you look at the MSDS for Tide detergents you'll see several are listed under one master for powder or liquid. | ||
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Post# 961783 , Reply# 14 10/10/2017 at 16:22 (2,383 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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All German liquid detergents intended for colors have temperatures listed only up to 60°. This is because repeated washings above 60° may be hard on colors even on boil-proof Indranthen colors that don`t bleed at higher temperatures.
More or less all "Universal" liquids sold here including Persil have temperatures listed up to 95°. It`s not about bleaching but some people in this particular market still have the desire to sanitize laundry without the use of additional chemicals. Very high temperatures are also a godsent when dealing with greasy stains. Again no need for bleaching agents in this case. Some liquid detergents do indeed foam like crazy when reaching the max temperature, but the suds usually collapse as soon as the cool down begins. | ||
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Post# 961785 , Reply# 15 10/10/2017 at 16:30 (2,383 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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It never dawned upon me difference between "Universal | ||
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Post# 961825 , Reply# 18 10/10/2017 at 20:14 (2,382 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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One good thing about linked article in OP | ||
| Post# 961857 , Reply# 20 10/10/2017 at 22:51 (2,382 days old) by MrAlex (London, UK) | ||
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Post# 961859 , Reply# 21 10/10/2017 at 22:56 (2,382 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Wonder if the Miele liquid detergents | ||
| Post# 961863 , Reply# 22 10/10/2017 at 23:49 (2,382 days old) by johnrk (BP TX) | ||
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Hyacinth I've had the boxed set of 'Keeping Up Appearances' for umpteen years, still enjoy it on occasion. I was always amazed at how clean the Bucket house was, but Hyacinth never seemed to actually clean. Always wished I knew her trick! | ||
| Post# 961944 , Reply# 24 10/11/2017 at 12:16 (2,382 days old) by iej (.... ) | ||
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I have to say I find the Miele cartridge system works very well, but it’s just too expensive to justify buying more after the freebies run out (you get a “years’” supply as a promo) The accurate dosing has cut down my detergent use enormously though. I obviously had a very heavy hand! | ||
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Post# 961983 , Reply# 25 10/11/2017 at 14:59 (2,382 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 962008 , Reply# 26 10/11/2017 at 17:45 (2,382 days old) by MrAlex (London, UK) | ||
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Post# 962065 , Reply# 28 10/12/2017 at 04:01 (2,381 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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Post# 962071 , Reply# 29 10/12/2017 at 06:20 (2,381 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 962072 , Reply# 30 10/12/2017 at 06:21 (2,381 days old) by MrAlex (London, UK) | ||
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| Post# 962085 , Reply# 31 10/12/2017 at 08:05 (2,381 days old) by GRWasher_expert (Athens) | ||
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What does exactly "lyase" do?What kind of stains does it break down? | ||
| Post# 962091 , Reply# 32 10/12/2017 at 08:28 (2,381 days old) by MrAlex (London, UK) | ||
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| Post# 962092 , Reply# 33 10/12/2017 at 08:30 (2,381 days old) by MrAlex (London, UK) | ||
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Here's a list I have for referencing when I look at detergents lol
Proteases (Subtilisin) Acts on stains containing proteins by degrading the proteins to peptides. Typical stains are blood, grass and soil at collars and cuffs. Amylases Acts on stains containing starch by degrading starch to short-chain sugars. Typical stains are sauces, gravy and ice-creams. Lipases Acts on soil containing oil and grease from food and body. Cellulases Acts on stains from dust and mud. They are especially good for cleaning clothes made from cellulosic fibers. Mannanase Breaks down starches and other carbohydrate based stains (amyl comes from the Greek for starch) Pectinase (Lyase) Removes fruit and pectin-based stains that traditional detergent ingredients have trouble removing, doing it efficiently at low wash temperatures. | ||
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Post# 962094 , Reply# 34 10/12/2017 at 08:36 (2,381 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Lyase simply means it is an enzyme
Amylase is simply an enzyme that breaks down starch into sugar.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyase... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amylase... There are many lyase enzymes that work upon a bewildering and vast array of substances. *Yes*, that nursing education again..... Sit through enough chemistry, microbiology along with anatomy and physiology classes, and you learn a few things. *LOL* | ||
| Post# 962095 , Reply# 35 10/12/2017 at 08:47 (2,381 days old) by MrAlex (London, UK) | ||
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