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Thread Number: 73009
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
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Post# 964429 , Reply# 1 10/26/2017 at 18:42 (2,371 days old) by Yogitunes  (New Jersey) |
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how long after purchase, will reviews start about the mold and mildew issues showing up?
at that point, you get what you deserve for buying such a thing..... before the DWW was added, complaints of barely enough water, yet will fill the tub up full for a HOT water Clean Washer cycle....where exactly are the savings in all of this? I don't see this going over very well..... | ||
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Post# 964435 , Reply# 2 10/26/2017 at 20:24 (2,371 days old) by Revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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 A friend of mine (who didn't know any better) bought this same machine. He said if you select the "heavy duty cycle" it fills with hot water, but every other cycle fills with cold. That's OK for him, because he has his water heater turned down fairly low, so his hot water isn't all that hot. I told him how to disable the lid switch and I went over with some laundry, since he only does one load about every two weeks. While yes it does have what looks like an agitator in it, rollover is extremely slow at best. Also, the rinse unfortunately, only fills the tub about a 1/4 of the way, it then agitates for literally one minute before draining for the spin. So ladies & gentleman, this means NOTHING actually gets rinsed during the "rinse"!!!! I know there is obviously the huge push towards water and energy savings, but OMG this is absolutely ridiculous! | ||
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Post# 964610 , Reply# 4 10/28/2017 at 01:46 (2,370 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc) |
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SEND THAT WP COLD WATER WASHER TO -----THE KRUSHER AND ITS FREIND THE SHREDDER!!!!! | ||
| Post# 964633 , Reply# 7 10/28/2017 at 07:08 (2,370 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Post# 964644 , Reply# 8 10/28/2017 at 08:24 (2,370 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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It is possible to clean clothes in cold temperatures Naptha and benzine (sorry, too early for English, 'gasoline') and R12 and carbon tetrachloride can all do it, and do it quite well. Water and enzymes? In 2017? Nope. And that's all there is to be said about it. As for the 1/4 fill and one minute rinse, that's useless.
Seriously, what is wrong with people? | ||
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Post# 964668 , Reply# 10 10/28/2017 at 11:21 (2,369 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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the analogy is a bit off there.....
they used basically the same platform for a washer, the challenge was to make it more energy efficient.....less water and energy the plan should be no different for automobiles, take a similar Minivan or SUV, now make it more efficient on gasoline....all they have done so far in the past twenty years or so, is made it gain a few miles more per gallon, from back then......in todays technology, it should be a minimum of three times than that, if not more...closer to 60+ mpg.... jumping from a truck down to a Prius is not the answer....that would be like jumping from a full size washer down to a table top model.... granted not everyone buys or needs a bigger vehicle than what fits their needs.....but some families need a bigger vehicle, and most guys in construction need a truck!.... | ||
| Post# 964671 , Reply# 12 10/28/2017 at 11:49 (2,369 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
its the same old debate
its the same old debate but my toughs is whats the point of a washer if you can not select the wash rinse temp you need if my memory serves me right older vintage washers did not have cold water wash the options where warm or hot with a warm rinse mostly I think cold water wash and cold water rinse came around the end of the 60 start of the 1970 but can not pin point the excat year there already the fact that most washers of today have ban warm rinse screen shot use as an exemple
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Post# 964762 , Reply# 15 10/28/2017 at 23:44 (2,369 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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OK, I'll give it a try:
Dear God, Please bring back the Unimatic and Rollermatic systems. Suds-savers, too. Oh, and save us from those who believe the humans who inhabit the planet have no control over what happens on it, despite your having blessed us with the intelligence to do so. Regards, Frigilux | ||
| Post# 964767 , Reply# 16 10/29/2017 at 00:20 (2,369 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit) | ||
Really??? | ||
| Post# 964768 , Reply# 17 10/29/2017 at 00:21 (2,369 days old) by agiflow2 () | ||
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| Post# 964775 , Reply# 19 10/29/2017 at 00:51 (2,369 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit) | ||
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| Post# 965105 , Reply# 22 10/31/2017 at 07:49 (2,367 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
Laundry tips
Here's something that'll rock your worldviews, who keep bleating that the gubmint is taking your hot water and the media is evil.
Their recommendation is to wash in the warmest water you're garments can handle. And to not skimp on soap. (But of course don't use too much either) Where it all falls apart is the comments section, lol. The backlash against hot water, sorting colors, and using almost any soap, is comical and very telling, that it's all idiots out there and they need to be saved from themselves. (Runs away) CLICK HERE TO GO TO johnb300m's LINK | ||
| Post# 965108 , Reply# 23 10/31/2017 at 08:27 (2,367 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Good points John! Granted I don't think the gov't should tell us how to wash our clothes but we as Americans are very spoiled when it comes to stuff like this. If you look in Europe where they have cold water fill ONLY machines that will heat the water so you're only using hot water when needed....our system seems very outdated and wasteful.
I had my hot water heater on 130 degrees. I literally would burn my hand if I used straight hot water...I lowered it to 125 and I dare say it's still too hot. I can't even imagine what 140 degrees would feel like, a temp that a lot of users on here insist upon. That's TOO hot, sorry. My Hobart KA states in the manual that you can lower the temp on your water heater because the machine itself will heat the water to 140 degrees (or 165 on Sani Rinse), for you, saving you from spending money on hot water you won't use. My machine is 32 years old so the idea of energy savings isn't new, by a long shot. The article you posted makes good points about washing clothes appropriately and sorting. This is something I'm fanatical about (and probably why I spend an entire day doing laundry), but it works and my clothes are very clean. The other issue is that a lot of people use cold water only and they NEVER clean their machine. That is just disgusting. I can't say much though because I can honesty say as a kid, we never cleaned our machine either. We never had a machine with a FS dispenser so it might have looked a little better. I've seen so many with the dispenser and I can't imagine how I would even wash my clothes in it! I'm very meticulous with that now. I dare say you could eat out of my machine now :-D | ||
| Post# 965131 , Reply# 25 10/31/2017 at 11:15 (2,366 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Yup Americans are cheap no doubt lol. But so incredibly wasteful in other ways.
at 125 degrees I can use only hot water and wash my coffee pot without having to keep pulling my hand away. Before in the shower, the water was so hot, I had the lever on past warm into the cold setting...and with my condo, that means like no water pressure. That's just stupid. It's really only been the last decade or so that FL washers with heaters have become more popular. But even then makes you wonder how many people actually use those settings. | ||
| Post# 965155 , Reply# 27 10/31/2017 at 13:24 (2,366 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
I know the Hot/Warm/Cold debate
Has gone on several times, and I am agreement. I have a few loads that are washed in cold due to shrinkage issues, I do like Tide Coldwater for these loads. Other than that it's Hot or Warm when I wash.
Somewhere in the achieves someone brought up the Japanese. They are 1) very clean people. 2) Very sensitive to smells, and 3) Wash almost exclusively in cold water. What detergents do they use? I know that our Dear Laundress has said we need Time, temperature, and chemical action to properly clean. Where is the balance reached? | ||
| Post# 965186 , Reply# 30 10/31/2017 at 16:54 (2,366 days old) by agiflow2 () | ||
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Post# 965302 , Reply# 35 11/1/2017 at 06:28 (2,366 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc) |
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Just bore out your showerhead with a drill press-did this-MUCH better-you can get a fire hose shower!If the head has inserts-try removing them to increase flow. | ||
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Post# 965306 , Reply# 36 11/1/2017 at 07:06 (2,366 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Part of the problem with the debate about cold water washing is one's location. If I lived in the deep south, where tap cold temps rarely dip below around 70-75 degrees, then I'd be more inclined to wash more loads in cold water. Glenn and a few others here have mentioned their cold tap temp in the summer can be 85-90 degrees. That's the temp used by CR for detergent tests.
But washing in tap-cold water year-round in Minnesota? That's a different kettle of fish. Temps are well below 50 degrees for months at a time. My experience with Tide ColdWater was that it cleaned pretty well with a minimum temp of 65-70 degrees. The drop in cleaning performance was steep at colder temps, despite Tide's website claiming it cleans in temps down in the 40s. I did not find that to be true at all. I was excited to have 140-145 degree water entering the Speed Queen top-loader when I moved at the end of July. Unfortunately, reality set in when I realized Persil ProClean 2 in 1 actually cleaned better in warm (which is 110 degrees in my case). Super-hot water kills the enzyme cocktail and decreases detergent efficacy. This is another reason I loved having a 'profile' wash with the Frigidaire and Maytag front-loaders' Sanitize cycles. Water is warm at the beginning of the wash and the temp gradually increases to 140-150 degrees. The detergent is in its sweet spot for at least a half-hour before the temp rises enough to negate the enzymes. | ||
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Post# 965327 , Reply# 37 11/1/2017 at 08:47 (2,366 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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Water heaters are less common here now
Since most houses have gas combi boilers that heat hot water as you use it thus saving on having a tank of hot water sitting waiting to be used. Admittedly 99% of UK washing machines are cold fill only due to using so little water it would not purge the pipes before hand so would never reach the machine so no reason to have hot and cold fill, although there are people who have solar panels for hot water and Ebac have brought out a machine with hot and cold fill for that very reason but whether they purge the pipes I don't know so you could have a machine that takes in what is meant to be hot and when it reaches the valves it is too late the machine will heat it up to the correct temp anyway, a problem thats becoming more of an issue is people using low temp all the time and then complaining about smells and mildew but its the same old adage " you can't argue with stupid " :)
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Post# 965330 , Reply# 38 11/1/2017 at 08:55 (2,366 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 965408 , Reply# 40 11/1/2017 at 16:33 (2,365 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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Although I can relate to the outcry about that Cold Water Wash Whirlpool, let`s face it most other current washers sold in the US either have severely dumbed down temperatures or use so little water that hot water quickly becomes what used to be "controlled cold" once it enters the machine no matter what temperature is selected.
This washer is at least honest about what you get and doubtlessly there is a market driven demand for it wheather we like it or not. Guess I won`t have to stress it I`m among those who don`t. Looks like anyone who wants a "true" temperature selection either has to go for a vintage or for a FL with a heater. Even the current SQ TLs cheat on the warm setting, don`t they ? I frequently read about enzymes being denatured or killed off by too hot water which is true on one hand but should not be generalized too much. Each type of enzyme has its own optimal temperature curve where it performs best. Amylase for example performs best in very hot (over 150°F) water whereas proteinase activity peaks out at around 120°F and has only left about 20% activity in 150°F. So it doesn`t mean all enzyme activity is suddenly lost in colder or hotter water it`s just getting impaired accordingly. | ||
| Post# 965511 , Reply# 41 11/1/2017 at 22:50 (2,365 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c ) | ||
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My Grandmother Would have had a fit, I remember She had our water heater turned up so the washer had steam billowing up out of it , Until I was a kid,She boiled wash clothes and dish towels in a pot BEFORE She washed them! | ||
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Post# 965583 , Reply# 42 11/2/2017 at 12:13 (2,364 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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Post# 974204 , Reply# 44 12/17/2017 at 08:35 (2,319 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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