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Post# 966221   11/5/2017 at 15:37 by chetlaham (United States)        

Has Speed Queen ever made a washer (commercial or residential) with a built in heater? I always assumed they never did. Or is this for an export model? Or (hopefully) their 2018 models? Here is why I ask, page 7:


www.ajmadison.com/ajmadis...


I know, manual does not match the wash entirely:

www.ajmadison.com/cgi-bin...



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Post# 966225 , Reply# 1   11/5/2017 at 16:38 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
They did, but not for long

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You'd have blinked and missed it! *LOL*

IIRC that SQ washer was one of the early models just before Alliance was able/got whole hog into domestic laundry, something about that pesky contractual agreement when they purchased Speed Queen IIRC.

Recall seeing adverts for the SQ washer with boosted heating, but as had the Miele and there were still other things didn't like overall about SQ front loaders then, didn't bother. Could sit down and weep now because haven't seen one either NOS or otherwise on offer since.


Models in question were from the 2004 year, and were called "Homestyle" washers and again (IIRC) SQ was then targeting these machines to OPL use such as beauty parlors, gyms, and so forth, but perhaps domestic use as well. Again this had something to do with Alliance being bound contractually from selling SQ washers for domestic use for a certain period of years after buying the brand from Raytheon.

Model numbers: FTS91A*N, FTS90A*N,LTS90A*N, LTS95A*N
www.promptserviceappliance.com/Ar...

Manuals: www.manualslib.com/manual...


You can see from this parts breakdown for SQ front loaders where the heating element and other associated parts are/were located:

manualzz.com/doc/803003/parts---a...


Post# 966231 , Reply# 2   11/5/2017 at 17:17 by chetlaham (United States)        

Bummer, I knew it was to good to be true. :( Any idea as to why it was discontinued?

Post# 966232 , Reply# 3   11/5/2017 at 17:31 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Have no idea

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Why Alliance discontinued offering heaters to their domestic front loaders. But IIRC you *may* be able to find them on 220v/240v machines sold for export.

www.eastwestintl.com/220_volt_app...

Now if said machines will run on "American" 120v/220v power versus straight 220v power I do not know, but that question is easily enough answered by Alliance.

You notice from the manuals listed above SQ is vague on amount of time using boosted hot adds to cycle (30 to 60 minutes). Am guessing this is because the manual was written to cover both 120v and 220v washers. The manual one linked above speaks to connecting washer to 220v power; but SQ sold their domestic/Home Style OPL washer as 120v. Again one remembers this because seriously looked into the things, but short cycle times and rather puny rinses didn't move me.


Post# 966236 , Reply# 4   11/5/2017 at 17:40 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
From the archives

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Also may clear up any incorrect information provided by Moi:

www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T...

www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T...

www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T...

Specifically regarding models with heater:

www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T...


Post# 966237 , Reply# 5   11/5/2017 at 17:42 by chetlaham (United States)        

You might be right though. Since heaters are common over seas, speed queen might have been trying to compete. I sure wish the 2018s had a heater be 120 or 230.

Post# 966240 , Reply# 6   11/5/2017 at 17:57 by Mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Speed Queen with heaters

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I queried Alliance some time ago about the current models with a heater.

If you look at the parts diagrams there are definitely versions with a heater for the export market.

The answer I got was it was for the 'Chinese domestic market' so even Australia doesn't get a version with a heater.

Cheers
Leon


Post# 966244 , Reply# 7   11/5/2017 at 18:05 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
From archived links:

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This is washer in question, SQ model #CTS90awn

www.plessers.com/Speed_Queen/cts9...

These came with or without "boosted hot" IIRC, but don't know if model numbers changed if heater was added.

If you read the above archives you find the machines had various shortcomings. So in the end Alliance likely figured best to ditch the heater option rather than spend money on R&D to make it work with their washers.

Keep in mind at least in early days SQ domestic front loaders were really nothing more than commercial machines with a different outside package. In some respects that is/was a good thing (rock hard build quality for instance), others not so much.

On the domestic commercial/laundromat side SQ H-axis washers have connections for steam that heat water. Do not think any offerings use electricity because the market would be small due to cost of use.

Case in point; my AEG Oko-Lavamat will heat tap cold water up to near boiling (95C) in ten minutes or less. This using a heater rated for at or a bit over 2kW.

OTOH the SQ with "boosted heating" would likely have taken ages to heat tap cold water to 140F with a puny heater and 120v. Hence the cycle was called "boost", idea likely was that like a dishwasher machine only raised temperature of already hot tap water, to 140F.

However if the pre-wash was done in cold water (which can vary in temp by time of year and geographical location), the wash is going to be quite chilly, that will in turn lower the overall "hot" tap water. More so if the washer didn't or doesn't spin some of that pre-wash water but merely drains it away instead.


Post# 966245 , Reply# 8   11/5/2017 at 18:13 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
"I sure wish the 2018s had a heater be 120 or 230"

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Again all may not be lost, simply contact one of the vendors that sell SQ washers for export and see if any models have heater. If so there you are then... Well providing vendor will sell to you (cannot see any reason why they shouldn't), and your home has the proper electrical wiring.

Post# 966249 , Reply# 9   11/5/2017 at 18:20 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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IIRC, these were also named under the Amana nameplate...

but your right, gone in the blink of an eye.....

one of the few Flers available during the introduction of the Neptune and Fridgemore....

advantages at the time were stainless steel inner and outter tubs, and 4 shock absorber suspension...

was considering this at first, but was placed in stores, and yanked faster than you could think...


Post# 966252 , Reply# 10   11/5/2017 at 18:32 by appnut (TX)        

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I THINK Jetcone ended up with one.  I know someone in the club did.  If SQ did it once, they can do it again, but they won't, jerks.  I think it's because this option/feature wouldn't mesh with the brand name that includes "Speed". 


Post# 966257 , Reply# 11   11/5/2017 at 18:39 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Another washer there must be a story behind

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Alliance must have had a reason for pulling the washers with heaters so fast, and or not offering any such version since.

One barely had enough time to reconsider before noticing those units were no longer to be found for love nor money.

It is interesting that even on the resale market, few if any have turned up over the years. This while plenty of the non-heated versions from same period appear often enough.

Since this SQ washer behaved like (very) old European washers when heating (slow tumbles with long pauses), there wouldn't have been that much wear and tear on the wash from the lengthy heating period. When you consider the main wash that followed was only less than ten minutes long....

But then again maybe that was the point. What good is it heating all that water only to dump it out nine minutes later?


Post# 966263 , Reply# 12   11/5/2017 at 19:10 by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0700 CDT.))        
Appnut: RE heated SQs

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I think Jetcone ended up with an Imperial/SS set of SQs. I know Jeff LeFever has one, I saw it when I visited him last spring.
WK78


Post# 966269 , Reply# 13   11/5/2017 at 19:42 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Will say it again

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If you have a 220v power available, you'll be much better off with a Miele 19xx or even 11XX or 12XX series washer over one of those older SQ units with or without a boost heater.

The machines were really nothing more than commercial/laundromat washers in domestic clothing. The fixed cycles left much to be desired and all but assured you'd still need to pre-treat, soak or whatever anything but the most lightly soiled laundry.

Would guess even a Maytag Neptune would be a better bargain than one of those SQ units.

As one said at the time; Alliance went with sturdy built washers that aimed for speed more than anything else. That works on the commercial/industrial side because those laundries rely upon the same powerful chemicals of old (chlorine bleach, alkalis, acids, etc...) to power out soils and stains. OTOH enzyme based laundry products need time (at least fifteen to twenty minutes IIRC) to get the job done.

Marks and soils my Miele or AEG will remove totally with ease are still there after using the SQ washers at local coin-op laundry with SQ washers. In fact no longer bother using enzyme detergents when going to laundryette, but any of the vintage stuff in my stash. That and or before heading out pre-treat or soak things in order to get a jump.


Post# 966272 , Reply# 14   11/5/2017 at 19:55 by chetlaham (United States)        

I'm with appnut. They can do it again and should for a variety of reasons. If this nation wants to take FLs seriously, then give us the real thing. Speed Queen is setting itself back by not including a heater.


@Laundress: I will check out the 230 volt versions. There has to be one.


Post# 966340 , Reply# 15   11/6/2017 at 05:51 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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This Huebsch is available with a heater. It's the 230V/400V/50Hz/3phase model. The heater is 4800 Watts

www.huebschwasmachines.nl/huebsch...


Post# 966368 , Reply# 16   11/6/2017 at 10:00 by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Blink of an Eye?

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I wouldn't consider it a blink of an eye.
I believe it was available for 6+ years over a couple of model series.
( before they came back to the home-style marketplace )

Malcolm


Post# 966381 , Reply# 17   11/6/2017 at 10:59 by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
SQ FL Washers With Heaters

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Malcolm is correct these were available for over 6 years maybe more like 8 years.

 

SQ stopped selling them because they did not sell well, I am in agreement that they should still have them, how many of you have written SQ and asked them to start selling them again ?

 

I give SQ feedback about the lack of WHs in their FL washers at every chance I get, I am actually going to be in a training meeting for SQ sales and you can be sure they will get some feed back about this.

 

John L.


Post# 966385 , Reply# 18   11/6/2017 at 11:21 by logixx (Germany)        

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Dito on what Louis said: the Euro models use 4.8 kW heaters.

Post# 966396 , Reply# 19   11/6/2017 at 12:02 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
What's that? Eight years you say?

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Well that's news a Moi! Guess was not paying attention. Certainly does not seem as if those SQ front loaders with "boosted hot" were around long because at least one never heard much about them long after introduction.

Wonder if they didn't sell well because SQ washers for home use at that time overall weren't highly rated by CR and a few others.


Post# 966419 , Reply# 20   11/6/2017 at 14:19 by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        

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They were available in 2009 when I was looking for a new machine.

I began looking around March or so that year, and they had a model with a heated wash available. It was one of the machines, at that time, that had the controls on the back. Looked like a dryer in some sense.

When I went to buy in August, that model was NLA.


Post# 966452 , Reply# 21   11/6/2017 at 18:27 by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

If I want anything like a hot wash in the SQ, I boil 3 gallons of water. I run hot water to the machine then start it on a hot wash fill. I let it tumble a bit then drain it and shut it off so the door unlocks. When the water boils, in not that much time because the 8 qt pot is on the 3500 watt induction cooker and the 4 qt kettle is on the 3000 watt unit then, while wearing gloves, I dip and pour water from the 2 gallon pot into the washer then add the water from the 4 qt pot, add clothes and detergent and start it. Even with preheating the washer and adding such hot water, the wash starts out at 165 and cools to 155 by the time it drains. After 10 minutes, I add 1/4 cup of chlorine bleach and about 5 minutes later, it drains. I use the Normal wash which is quite long. Maybe the outer tub could benefit from insulation.

Post# 966513 , Reply# 22   11/7/2017 at 00:01 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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Wouldn't it be better to rund the washer with laundry with hot water first and then use the next round with boiling water. It makes it a bit of a profile wash.

Post# 966545 , Reply# 23   11/7/2017 at 07:51 by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Louis, what I am washing in that load does not need profile anything, just hot water, detergent and bleach.Laundry in the machine, even if well extracted, would just be holding more water at a lower temperature. It's just that even with filling the machine with 150F water then draining it, carefully loading it with as little door opening as possible and purging the lines again before restarting with  another 150F fill only gives a wash temp of around 125F.





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