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Post# 966551   11/7/2017 at 08:48 by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        

I went to the training yesterday. The washer has a 1 hp motor, neutral drain. No brakes. Lid lock, but can be relatively easily opened. I think this new washer is going to be pretty good.



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Post# 966555 , Reply# 1   11/7/2017 at 09:22 by agiflow2 ()        

Ooh! These look great! Like the agitator. Do these still say commercial heavy duty ? I can't make it out clearly.

Post# 966563 , Reply# 2   11/7/2017 at 10:07 by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        
Styling,

Personally I like the look, but these machines look older that the previous models and rather like an early '90s WP. They just look dated. I don't know how they will get some of today's image minded consumer to buy them.

Post# 966577 , Reply# 3   11/7/2017 at 10:41 by agiflow2 ()        

Maybe because Speed Queen is aiming at a particular buyer ? Those who like the traditional agitator style would be right at home with this i would think .

Other than club members i think most people would rather keep their machines out of sight out of mind until they have to do laundry.

. How many folks have you met that said "come look at my new washer isn't it stylish " ? Then again in this day and age I wouldn't be surprised .


Post# 966578 , Reply# 4   11/7/2017 at 10:46 by brucelucenta ()        
lorainfurniture

Have you seen it operate? I am very curious as to how well it washes now.

Post# 966583 , Reply# 5   11/7/2017 at 10:54 by agiflow2 ()        

I hope we will be able to see that before the new year. I have confidence these will be very good machines. GO SPEED QUEEN 👑!




Post# 966590 , Reply# 6   11/7/2017 at 11:24 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
80s flashback

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Wow - that looks like something straight out of the 80s. I LOVE IT. I think I like this design much better than previous.

This has me thinking - Back in the 80s when we could buy quality TL washers that were made to last - but not necessarily the SQ brand, but maybe a Kenmore TLer or Maytag or something like that - would the price for the TL washers back then (adjusted for inflation) be comparable to the current price of these?


Post# 966593 , Reply# 7   11/7/2017 at 11:37 by henene4 (Germany)        
Speciality cycles and speed wash

Apparently there are more cycles, and a quick wash option. Therefor they slashed the third rinse option (which makes sense with the TL).

Really intrigued about cycle design now...


Post# 966594 , Reply# 8   11/7/2017 at 11:42 by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Control Panel

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The dark control panel reminds me of the Magic Chef machines of the 80's.
Very retro styled.
Now, offer multiple cabinet colors....

Malcolm


Post# 966596 , Reply# 9   11/7/2017 at 12:06 by Infusor (Michigan)        

Wow, thanks for sharing the pictures, definately reminds me of a magic chef/norge, i still wonder if there is going to be the same if not more clothes rollover than the current model

Post# 966606 , Reply# 10   11/7/2017 at 13:12 by agiflow2 ()        

That's another thing. Will these be priced higher to offset the R&D cost to produce these ? I imagine they will be higher. These things are using a 1 H.P. motor ? Man that is strong.

I imagine this is going to be a pretty powerful washer, but then again,..the motor is doing all the work moving a whole tub back and forth full of clothes and water with some resistance from the agitator. I guess it would need to be at least at 1H.P. for all the work it bas to do.


Post# 966617 , Reply# 11   11/7/2017 at 14:39 by johnrk (Houston)        
Mark in Lexington:

Using an inflation calculator on the web, $100 in 1988 = $206.92 in 2017.

I have a February, 1988, issue of Consumer Reports. Of course, it lists full retail price, but it'll give you an idea for some of their washers tested in that issue. There's a range of models, of course, so I'm only including the ones they tested (I set these up in nice columns here but they deleted the spacing):

Admiral: $580 $1,201
Amana: 530 1,097
Frigidaire 499 1,032
GE 495 1,024
Gibson 429 888
Hotpoint 455 941
Kelvinator 419 867
Maytag 605 1,252
Norge 619 1,281
Sears 870 1,801 (electronic controls & dispenser)
Sears 520 1,035
Speed Queen 579 1,199
Ward's 439 909
Whirlpool 550 1,138
White-West. 499 1,032

Looking at the list, these were mostly the TOL models. There was a really nice feature sheet, full page, of all the models from the makers with feature comparisons.

So, definitely in today's Dollars, the prices were more in line than when I posted prices for the 1954 machines, which ran into the $2000+ range in today's Dollars. Of course, in 1988 I was only making around $30/hour as a health care manager, so those prices were definitely more dear to me! I had the next to TOL GE Filter-Flo, bought white in 1986. And loved it--Mini-Basket and Mini-Quick wash.



Post# 966620 , Reply# 12   11/7/2017 at 15:27 by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
ONLY

Making 30.00 an hour....Good grief,you are RICH man, I don't make half that now!

Post# 966623 , Reply# 13   11/7/2017 at 15:43 by johnrk (Houston)        
norgeway

Rich? Definitely not...I was single as I am now. The IRS sucked up an amazing amount.

I was, and still am, one in favor of the Steve Forbes plan for the IRS: tax everyone 10%. Simple, one-page form. But tax EVERYONE ten percent, no exceptions.


Post# 966647 , Reply# 14   11/7/2017 at 16:52 by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
I agree!

That would benefit EVERYONE!

Post# 966653 , Reply# 15   11/7/2017 at 17:01 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Would love to know what the Specialty Cycles are. I see they moved Speed Wash from the main cycle area to the options. Suppose that means you can speed up almost any cycle, which would be cool. Guess mine is called Quick Cycle, not Speed Wash.

I like the new console, but agree it definitely gives the machine a 1980s look.



Post# 966655 , Reply# 16   11/7/2017 at 17:04 by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

I'll be honest, I like the current control panel better. Not a fan of the black control panels, on these new SQ's or when they were en vogue in the 1980s. I don't care for those chunky knobs with what appears to be chrome accents either, too frilly for a SQ. Nonetheless those changes are purely cosmetic and mean nothing in the bottom line, what matters is under the front panel. 


Post# 966674 , Reply# 17   11/7/2017 at 18:43 by chetlaham (United States)        
WOW! :)

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I feel nostalgic. Those control panels kind of remind me those late 90s Hotpoints. Never liked the Hotpoints, but its relief to see this styling on a real washers. Can you get a close up of the BOL? Also do you still have this in your store for testing?

Post# 966692 , Reply# 18   11/7/2017 at 19:42 by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        

I didnít see them run. The agitation is going to be a full 2.5 revolutions each way Iím trying to get my distributor to get me one so I can try it.

The general design is not much different than the old queen. I think it will perform better. I still think itís weird that the agitator doesnít move in relation to the tub but Iíll get over it.

The new minimum warranty is 3 years (nothing new), and the higher end versions will come with 5, and 7!!!!!! Year warranty.

Let me repeat, 7 years in home Service.

Needless to say they think this version is superior to the old one from a reliability standpoint. I would agree with them. There is a lot less going on under the hood.


Post# 966697 , Reply# 19   11/7/2017 at 20:36 by appnut (TX)        

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They remind me of the intitial dark control panels for the Dependable Care series. 


Post# 966704 , Reply# 20   11/7/2017 at 21:32 by chetlaham (United States)        
7 years in home Service

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Life is good :) Never thought I would see this day, maybe I'm dreaming? Or finally gone insane? Which ever, I don't want to leave this dimension, being here is quite nice.

Post# 966722 , Reply# 21   11/7/2017 at 22:42 by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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ONE HORSEPOWER MOTOR.
Thatís gotta be the most powerful washer motor.... ever!

Great marketing point they have there.
Most powerful motor on the market.


Post# 966728 , Reply# 22   11/7/2017 at 23:23 by Infusor (Michigan)        

See guys???? The 2018 sounds like a great machine! And 7 years? I seriously want one now! Once i see a video of one and i like it, i'm going to pull the trigger on a new set! Only thing is what to do with my lg front loader, i want to keep it.

Post# 966731 , Reply# 23   11/7/2017 at 23:53 by chetlaham (United States)        

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You can have both, or for that manner many. Honestly, I wish I could try one of those. I already have a Queen that I love, but I would not mind a 2 month test driver. Who knows, this might even be gentler on clothes.


For those who went through the training, is there classic pressure switch or an on-board traducer?


Post# 966732 , Reply# 24   11/7/2017 at 23:55 by chetlaham (United States)        
Lid lock

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And ohh- how easy is it to bypass the Lid-lock on these new machines?

Post# 966733 , Reply# 25   11/8/2017 at 00:16 by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

When I first say the pictures I thought 'Oh, it's a 1980's GE by mistake.' Then I saw the Speed Queen lettering. Definitely think they are marketing towards the traditionalist. This washer is not unlike what you would buy in the 80's, at least by looks. I'm also curious about the cycle design. Would love to see a video of it in action with a good load.
Eugene, thank-you for posting the pictures. A picture is worth a thousand words!!!


Post# 966735 , Reply# 26   11/8/2017 at 01:02 by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

I find the control panel a real turn off.  Just plain ugly. 


Post# 966764 , Reply# 27   11/8/2017 at 06:29 by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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Def kind of a retro look. I think the electronic models are ugly though...I'd pick the dials!

Post# 966773 , Reply# 28   11/8/2017 at 07:32 by johnrk (Houston)        
Glad I Just Bought Mine

'cause I don't particularly like that black. My 2nd Filter-Flo pair in the early 80's had the GE design with the all-black backsplash and I wasn't crazy about it, preferring the first set from 1977 with mostly brushed metal. To me, white is clean.

Post# 966776 , Reply# 29   11/8/2017 at 07:40 by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
If they woul

Just put a fluorescent light on the washer and the dryer, that would sell it more than anything, Stoves too, without a light they all look cheap.

Post# 966789 , Reply# 30   11/8/2017 at 08:53 by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        

The lid lock is not able to be bypassed. ThIs new model does have a transducer instead of a traditional pressure switch.

Post# 966791 , Reply# 31   11/8/2017 at 09:00 by agiflow2 ()        

If I missed it sorry, but does it lock for the whole cycle or just spin ?

Post# 966798 , Reply# 32   11/8/2017 at 10:14 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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It was reported that the lid locks only during spins. Hope that's correct. It would be a real drag to have it locked the entire cycle. Besides getting a gander the new wash action, I'm excited to see how the Autofill setting works.

Simplifying the drive mechanism on the 2018's makes complete sense and should help the machine be more reliable. I'll have to be sold on the new wash action, though. Time (and videos) will tell, I guess.

For the time being, I'm glad to have the last of the truly traditional washers (2017 Series 9). It's my way of owning a vintage washer--entertaining spin-drain, even---without the hassle of trying to find parts and make repairs myself.

Truth be told, I've actually grown quite fond of it, much to my surprise. I put in a load of bedding this morning and set it to start in 9 hours. I'll have freshly washed linens to put in the dryer when I get home tonight.


Post# 966800 , Reply# 33   11/8/2017 at 10:23 by KenmoreBD (Mass, usa )        

Love love love the new look!

Post# 966801 , Reply# 34   11/8/2017 at 10:26 by Hattrick (Herriman)        
I like!

I was considering buying the 2017 model but I think SQ has a winner. My only caveat which I will miss the option of adding water manually. With 2018 one will just pick a load size larger to get optimum water. This may lead to adding to much water in some cases, or just learn the water levels and add your clothes accordingly. No brake, not sure if that is a loss to me. Being they have a lid lock now as a safety feature having the machine stop spinning on its own via natural friction of the belt and motor is fine and cost-effective and most likely less concern of failure. As per the lid, I presume if one pauses a wash cycle the lid will unlock correct? One more item if one does use maximum loads does it fill to the top with water? If they make different colors the black panel will look fine. Though appearance isn't as important as function markets indicate people love products that look and feel good to them. I would add more color paint options to the cabinet. White, Gray, Crimson Red, and Dark Blue.

Post# 966804 , Reply# 35   11/8/2017 at 10:51 by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Lid Lock!

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I think the Lid Lock is a great throw-back to their roots.
Most all of the solid tub models had them...

Malcolm


Post# 966807 , Reply# 36   11/8/2017 at 11:01 by Real1 (Eastern WA)        

This has me thinking - Back in the 80s when we could buy quality TL washers that were made to last - but not necessarily the SQ brand, but maybe a Kenmore TLer or Maytag or something like that - would the price for the TL washers back then (adjusted for inflation) be comparable to the current price of these?

 

I think so....my last new set of W/D's was the early 90's. We bought a Maytag set knowing that we were going to pay more than most. Panel off the washer I noticed some cheapness compared to older models. The ex got the set in the divorce. The washer leaked down on the ceiling of the first floor doing substantial damage. But I never knew the details except it wasn't the hoses.

 

So if I'm looking at that electronic control panel correctly.....you can't choose a different temp for your rinse cycle....one temp for all?

 

Kevin


Post# 966809 , Reply# 37   11/8/2017 at 11:07 by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        

Donít quote me, but I believe he said it locks 30 seconds after agitation starts. There is a pause button that will immediately unlock as long as the tub is not moving.

Post# 966811 , Reply# 38   11/8/2017 at 11:13 by Real1 (Eastern WA)        

Hmmmm...I doubt anything could be as bad as that 'wax switch' in my 98 FL Neptune. If the 'locked' light is on and you pause the cycle, you have to wait five minutes for the door to unlock.

 

Kevin


Post# 966812 , Reply# 39   11/8/2017 at 11:14 by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

I like the new/old look too but, I'm not sure about the new agitator. The thicker lower vanes don't seem like they'll be as powerful as the Wavy-Vane fins.

Post# 966816 , Reply# 40   11/8/2017 at 11:31 by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Agitator

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The agitator kind of looks like a nod back to the "Marathon" machines, IMO.
As for the performance, a wide agitation arc of 2.5 times around is pretty good, but how many strokes per minute is that?

Malcolm


Post# 966819 , Reply# 41   11/8/2017 at 11:44 by duttyb11 (Mountain City)        
Lid Lock

Does anyone think there will be a way to bypass the damn lid lock. We want to see whats going on inside the machine. Any ideas?

Post# 966826 , Reply# 42   11/8/2017 at 12:18 by agiflow2 ()        

Malcolm i thought the same thing too looking at that agitator. It hearkens back to the Marathon washers. I'm wondering if it is 2.5 revolutions then pause then reverse or is it instantaneous back and forth. It would take a powerful motor for it to go back and forth like the GM Frigidaire agitub...no ?

Post# 966833 , Reply# 43   11/8/2017 at 12:44 by Maytag85 (Sean 1976 YouTube, hotrodsean1972 Instagram)        

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If they kept the transmission and the mechanical timer I would be happy, but I still wished they kept the mechanical timer, and transmission.

Post# 966853 , Reply# 44   11/8/2017 at 14:45 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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it was already mentioned, there is a 1HP motor.....we haven't seen something that powerful since the days of the 20lb Norge's...

we would need specs before we could consider how to by-pass the lid switch....


Post# 966858 , Reply# 45   11/8/2017 at 15:23 by agiflow2 ()        

To you guys who are mechanically inclined or engineers if anyone can answer.

Can this agitub oscillate like say...the GM Frigidaire agitub? That old design had shorter strokes I know, but can a design like this SQ with just a motor oscillate quickly without pauses ?

I mean with an outer and inner tub filled with water wouldn't it actually make the work easier on the motor because of buoyancy? IDK , just a thought. Even more so now than ever waiting to see what kind of oscillating action this machine will have.


Post# 966863 , Reply# 46   11/8/2017 at 15:49 by henene4 (Germany)        

They probably could, but it would probably increase belt wear and with drum and agitator bolted toge5her long strokes will work better I suppose, otherwise you just end up with ropes around the agitator...

Post# 966864 , Reply# 47   11/8/2017 at 16:05 by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        

The tub is still smooth = little resistance. The agitator is really the only thing that will cause serious resistance when agitating. That and a bit of swirling around of water.

The belt is very robust. It wonít break anytime soon.


Post# 966865 , Reply# 48   11/8/2017 at 16:16 by Mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
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Hi Eugene,

Thanks for the pics, much appreciated.

Is the control panel colour actually black or a dark brown?

I've actually emailed Alliance this morning asking if this is design all export markets will get, considering we in Australia don't have the same stringent energy requirements as you do.

I can't imagine they'll still be producing machines with transmissions for export markets, doesn't make financial sense.

Cheers
Leon


Post# 966870 , Reply# 49   11/8/2017 at 17:01 by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        

My eyes arenít the best anymore but I say definitely black.

Post# 966873 , Reply# 50   11/8/2017 at 17:15 by agiflow2 ()        

Thanks henene4 and lorainfurniture. Do you guys think the design of this agitator with the way the vanes flaring out from the post will make a difference ? The base vanes seem rather shallow but I guess that all has to do with drag.

I guess on auto fill this design will allow them to get an even lower water level.

I know it is your guess as well as anyone but speculation is fun ! I am really hoping this will be better than their current design and am looking forward to videos.


Post# 966895 , Reply# 51   11/8/2017 at 18:52 by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        
Regarding auto fill

Auto fill is an OPTION. You can still select a full tub of water. Also, the auto fill is smart. If you forgot to change the selection switch from small to large, then loaded up the washer the machine will automatically add MORE water until the drag is reduced, or mad fill is achieved.

The guy said that something to the effect that it certainly will never under fill with water.


Post# 966900 , Reply# 52   11/8/2017 at 19:19 by agiflow2 ()        

Thanks so much Lorainfurniture. This machine just gets more interesting ! One more question if I might ask.

Will these new models follow the current model number scheme ? Like will the dial models be AWN432 ???? or is it to early to know yet ?


Post# 966917 , Reply# 53   11/8/2017 at 20:25 by Supersurgilator (Indiana)        

I also am more and more interested in this machine. I really think they have done there homework and it will actually be a good quality machine. My question is will the commercial line change over to these or will they still make their regular transmission machines for the laundromat?

Post# 966971 , Reply# 54   11/9/2017 at 06:22 by mtn1584 (USA)        
Love the new consoles...........................

Love the consoles and the warranty and the beefed up mechanicals, motor and such, however I am still leary of wash performance, time will tell, maybe change isn't so bad. It's funny though, right before I saw this post, I called a local dealer to find out about interest free financing on a new 2017 model! I think I would like to get another one while I still can.
Mike


Post# 966974 , Reply# 55   11/9/2017 at 07:14 by agiflow2 ()        

The tubs look the same as the current models. What will be the case it's for these machines ? Still 3.3 cu.ft 16 LB. capacity ?

Post# 967000 , Reply# 56   11/9/2017 at 10:00 by rapunzel (Sydney)        

Now, if they offered these machines in gold metallic, high gloss candy apple red and accentuate the control panels with gold highlights against satin black - they'd be works of art.



Post# 967003 , Reply# 57   11/9/2017 at 10:17 by potatochips (Nova Scotia)        

Malcolm, I was gonna say the same thing. Very reminiscent of the Marathon series.

Post# 967006 , Reply# 58   11/9/2017 at 10:46 by brucelucenta ()        

I just want to see a video of one in action. Seeing is believing!

Post# 967122 , Reply# 59   11/10/2017 at 06:21 by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Feeling Nostalgic

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Would be nice to have Alliance bring back the aerated fill.
I always loved that when using a solid tub machine...

Malcolm


Post# 967137 , Reply# 60   11/10/2017 at 08:39 by chetlaham (United States)        

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I can't wait either. I want to see one in action!

Post# 967497 , Reply# 61   11/12/2017 at 15:25 by Whatsername (Boulder, CO)        

What's an aerated fill?

Post# 967498 , Reply# 62   11/12/2017 at 15:31 by johnrk (Houston)        
Aerated Fill

It's like on your kitchen sink with that little screen that forces air into the water stream. Rather 'oxygenates' it...SQ used to advertise that in their brochures (found in the ephemera section)

Post# 967510 , Reply# 63   11/12/2017 at 16:52 by Combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
More thoughts on the new Speed Queen Toploader

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Immediately before leaving for Amsterdam, I watch seven videos of this new machine washing at a training meeting for the sales people.

The lid locks after five minutes.

Even though the motor is rated at 1 hp itís half the size and weight and cost to manufacture as the previous 1/2 hp motor.

I do believe this machine is a big improvement in durability and serviceability but I do not think it will turn over laundry well at all, in the videos there is almost no clothing turn over, I predict it will have real problems large loads of really dirty clothing.

Good news is it will be much more gentle on clothing.

The new styleling looks really good, the machine looks much more expensive and the knobs donít look cheap.


Post# 967580 , Reply# 64   11/12/2017 at 19:33 by Infusor (Michigan)        

Interesting, was there alot of water movement? They did say move water through clothes and not clothes through water, definately no pilling on clothes like a front loader does, the frigidaire immersion care looked horrible in the training video i saw on youtube but when it came out it looked like it moved clothes pretty good, alot better than say a cabrio.

Post# 967616 , Reply# 65   11/12/2017 at 23:39 by rapunzel (Sydney)        

Other than dumbing down their product to save money, I see absolutely no point in what they are doing. Their current wash system works perfectly and it is not rough on clothes; especially since they've introduced flex vane agitators. As for durability, these machines are already durable. What they have is perfect and exactly what people, who want a traditional automatic agitator washer, are looking for. A moving center post agitator washes and circulates clothes far more effectively than an agitub; especially heavy and bulky items. With this new agitub design I can't see how the rather puny looking agitator creates enough toroidal water currents to move clothes around.

The only improvement for me would have been in allowing users more freedom to pick and combine different cycle options for greater flexibility.

If the new design turns out a dud, how likely would Speed Queen revert back to its current wash system?


Post# 967618 , Reply# 66   11/12/2017 at 23:42 by johnrk (Houston)        
Rather Than Wild Guessing

why not just wait and see? Obviously no one here was involved in the planning, engineering or design.

Post# 967619 , Reply# 67   11/12/2017 at 23:45 by rapunzel (Sydney)        
Time is Money!

Who has time to wait? Not me. I wanted it yesterday.

Post# 967620 , Reply# 68   11/12/2017 at 23:51 by johnrk (Houston)        
Time Is Money?

No, miss--time is life. Hopefully before yours is up, you'll come to realize that.

Post# 967626 , Reply# 69   11/13/2017 at 00:46 by tolivac (greenville nc)        

What kind of motor does this new SQ washer use?

Post# 967678 , Reply# 70   11/13/2017 at 08:33 by Infusor (Michigan)        

I think it's a variable speed induction motor like on their front load machines.

Post# 967684 , Reply# 71   11/13/2017 at 09:07 by agiflow2 ()        

So John Combo52...are the 2.5 rotations set ? Or can it oscillate more revolutions depending on load size? I would think it would need to to get the rollover.

Once again time will tell.


Post# 967705 , Reply# 72   11/13/2017 at 12:39 by brucelucenta ()        

It will be very interesting to see what this new machine is like and watch as it washes a load of clothes. This final year of speed queen washers really does put an end to traditional top loading washing machines as we know them. We shall see what the future holds in store...

Post# 967824 , Reply# 73   11/13/2017 at 23:49 by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

I thought Speed Queen was in a 'class all by their selves'...I believed they would be the last and only brand to keep traditional washers in the market but, they're jumping on the bandwagon of 'revolution-stroke---agitub' design washers as well. This (2018) agitator look very similar to their 80's high straight vane agitator except the vanes (extend outward more at the base)...they should have kept the base vanes as thin as the straights...an even better idea would be if they stayed with the 'FLEX-VANES' design for this 2018 new agitator...I think the flex-vane 'slits' would help the rolling water currents a little more for this agitub design...this is it...it's over...good bye TRADISH-agita-washers

Post# 967825 , Reply# 74   11/14/2017 at 00:14 by johnrk (Houston)        
scrubflex

Did you sit down and cry when the last wringer washers were made over here? Did you go into mourning when Bendix and Westinghouse stopped making their front loaders? Get over it--why not have a little trust in the people who make their living from designing and building these machines? My God, so many of you are so damned pessimistic, I'm glad I don't have to live with you...

Post# 967837 , Reply# 75   11/14/2017 at 01:53 by Combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
New 2018 Speed Queen TL Washers

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Hi guys, I have seen six videos of this washer running there is no rollover, the agitator is there essentially just to make it look like the old machine.

First the good news because I donít like to be too negative, it will be gentler on the clothing it spins better and it should be incredibly reliable and easier to repair.

This new Washer will actually take Speed Queen upscale in the market quite a bit, most of the complaints we get about the current Toploader have to do with noise and excessive clothing wear. Bad news is it wonít clean really dirty clothing like their current machine so it will lose acceptance with farmers in auto mechanics and such. The other bad news unless you use it on eco-normal this machine uses way too much water for what itís doing.

Remember for the time being you can still get a 24 or 27ĒWP TT with real cast iron transmission and agitation to match. I would not have though WP would be the last to build a traditional washer for home use.

John L.



Post# 967853 , Reply# 76   11/14/2017 at 05:30 by agiflow2 ()        

So Speed Queen is making a top load machine that can't clean really dirty clothes? This is ridiculous. Unbelievable! What's the point? John if your account is accurate then whatever hope I had for these is pretty much dried up.

No doubt this is the goal of these government regulations is to get us off agitator washers and onto FL washers.


Post# 967855 , Reply# 77   11/14/2017 at 06:33 by mtn1584 (USA)        
A different way of washing.............

why would you expect turnover? The machine is obviously not designed to turn clothing over but to move the clothing back and forth through the water and I am assuming that the fixed agitator assists in this. SQ said they wanted to move more water through the clothes. Essentially that is what is happening with this design, not turnover.
MIKE


Post# 967857 , Reply# 78   11/14/2017 at 06:53 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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well in reality, this is the new 'Dependable Care' so the speak....

as JohnL stated, it will be reliable and easy to work on......sounds like a Maytag to me...

people bought Maytags because they were dependable, not because of their washing action...they were designed to 'give in' to the load, and not put any stress on the machine....

why do you think it only operated with the lid closed?...so you could not see what was going on inside...

and just like a Maytag, people will have to adapt to under loading to get the best results....

and as most people today, are just going to load and go....their not going to give any more thought to it....

Alliance, like any company wanting to survive into the future, will have to adapt to the future...

but as so many have said....this is a free enterprise nation, you are welcome to open your own factory and build whatever machine you choose....and see how far you get doing it your own way....


Post# 967859 , Reply# 79   11/14/2017 at 07:07 by agiflow2 ()        

I think the standard tub models though had better wash action. I've used many Maytag standard tub washers and I saw powerful turnover with those machines.. as long as they are not overloaded.

Post# 967867 , Reply# 80   11/14/2017 at 07:40 by Combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        

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I am Martin I agree with most of your thoughts as usual, itís amazing how bad made tags were in overall performance in the 70s compared to the other machines that were available in the US.

But as time has gone on those older MaytagĎs actually look better, and Iím sure any Maytag ever made including the lethargic AMPs will out wash this new Speed Queen for overall cleaning ability.


Post# 967868 , Reply# 81   11/14/2017 at 07:43 by Combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        

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Iím going to guess that this new top load washer will cost Speed Queen at least 25% of their top load washer sales over the next couple years, if Speed Queen is smart they will start emphasizing their excellent frontloading washers were they truly have a better product than anybody else.

Post# 967873 , Reply# 82   11/14/2017 at 08:05 by appnut (TX)        

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SQ offee a front loaders with heater and I would consider it.

Post# 967876 , Reply# 83   11/14/2017 at 08:24 by agiflow2 ()        

If the current batch of SQ FL washers are cleaning well now.. what do you really need a heater for? Kind of takes away from the name.

Post# 967884 , Reply# 84   11/14/2017 at 08:36 by chetlaham (United States)        

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@Johnrk: People are entitled to their opinions, and may even know something the other person does not. One thing I've noticed on this forum is that only certain view points and certain preferences are allowed to prevail. When the side disparaging has just as many flaws they refuse to acknowledge. Those wanting traditional fast agitator washers are not just a fringe minority, but rather plentiful. Anyone that has read reviews or overheard appliance store talk knows this. Second people who can appreciate something, should. Mourning the loss of Bendix and Westinghouse front loaders would be warranted even by your standards since it was the last of the HE machines in the US since the late 90s. As for people designing machines- and really any engineer- has to work on a budget and the codes at hand. They are human, make mistakes- and are really forced to do what they have to do.




Post# 967899 , Reply# 85   11/14/2017 at 09:56 by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
machine sounds

I wonder what the new 2018 speed queen top load machines will sound like.

Post# 967925 , Reply# 86   11/14/2017 at 14:24 by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Thank you chetlaham, hey Yogi...you're right Yogi it is about being able to survive into and adapting to the future.

Post# 967950 , Reply# 87   11/14/2017 at 17:29 by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)        
Two motors

They could have added a second motor for the spin and used the agitation motor as they designed it. The reversible agitation motor could then be coupled to the agitator but not the tub. The drain motor could be eliminated with the draining combined with the spin motor. This would result in a machine that operates as the current model does. But with no gearbox. Do I hear 1140 rpm direct drive?

Post# 967951 , Reply# 88   11/14/2017 at 17:36 by johnrk (Houston)        
chetlaham

Fascinating how you somehow have gleaned what my "standards" are from a few posts on here. Waiting to hear your qualifications for armchair psychiatry...

As a businessman for three decades, and a scientist involved in medical research and product design and development, it's so valuable to be educated by someone as yourself. And what is it that you do for a living--outside of armchair psychiatry, of course.


Post# 967995 , Reply# 89   11/14/2017 at 22:28 by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Hmm, thanks again chetlaham.

Post# 968045 , Reply# 90   11/15/2017 at 06:32 by chetlaham (United States)        

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@Johnrk: I'm not taking your bait. Asking people if they cried over X machine and to then get over it- then accusing me of psychoanalysis when I called you out on doing just that. I think its clear you're trying to get a rise out of me and other members.


@Scrubflex: Weclome :) Its not fair that forum members have to be shamed over the very thing this forum was built for: the appreciation of old and new appliances alike. But considering that his post received 4 likes as of typing this and people continually trying to make others feel crazy or inferior for liking (or even collecting) certain machines shows everything thats wrong with this forum. Many of us come here to escape the judgment and to find like minds, only to encounter the very thing we are trying to take a break from in the first place.


Post# 968047 , Reply# 91   11/15/2017 at 06:34 by chetlaham (United States)        

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*dont let it get to you Scrubflex. Others feel the same way including myself :)

Post# 968078 , Reply# 92   11/15/2017 at 09:15 by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Oh no, it hasn't got to chetlaham, that's why I didn't respond...and of course I notice the 'likes' as well...I can care less what he think, he does not know me! Now my respond was not meant to be taken so seriously...it's just a washing machine...besides manufactures are going to do what they want...I join this club for one reason, 'for the love of washing machines'...it was exciting to learn that there was actually a community of people that shared the same love...we all have ideas, feel things about, comment on but, personal remarks to be insulting do not require responses...that's all

Post# 968079 , Reply# 93   11/15/2017 at 09:19 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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well why not....this design worked for the Suzy Homemaker we all had as children...

same rollover?....lol







Post# 968083 , Reply# 94   11/15/2017 at 10:09 by chetlaham (United States)        

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But a fine washing machine :) Good to hear you are marching on Scrubflex. There are sill plenty who share that same love with you- and no one can rain on that parade!

Post# 968085 , Reply# 95   11/15/2017 at 10:54 by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Yes...and not at all:)...my sister had the 'Suzy' yogi

Post# 968094 , Reply# 96   11/15/2017 at 11:23 by agiflow2 ()        

The easy whirldry was a good one






Post# 968140 , Reply# 97   11/15/2017 at 16:19 by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Here is a 1957 Turner Sapphire Semi Auto





Post# 968151 , Reply# 98   11/15/2017 at 17:23 by agiflow2 ()        

Now how cool 😎 is that !

Post# 968153 , Reply# 99   11/15/2017 at 17:29 by johnrk (Houston)        
chetlaham

You took the bait. And of course your being a pompous sort trying to lecture others doesn't appear to be backed by any qualifications other than an propensity to pontificate.

Post# 968161 , Reply# 100   11/15/2017 at 17:58 by agiflow2 ()        

Guys knock it off already. This has been an enjoyable thread...lets keep it that way please.

Post# 968164 , Reply# 101   11/15/2017 at 18:08 by johnrk (Houston)        
agiflow2

I couldn't agree more. I despite hot air, particularly when it's not backed up with capability. I don't come here to listen to that. And fortunately, I haven't found that--with most of the participants.

Post# 968197 , Reply# 102   11/15/2017 at 19:44 by Infusor (Michigan)        

Yes knock it off, it's really annoying and ruining it for the rest of us.

Post# 968219 , Reply# 103   11/15/2017 at 20:10 by brucelucenta ()        

It's all in fun!

Post# 968233 , Reply# 104   11/15/2017 at 21:01 by Launderess (Quiet Please, Thereīs a Lady on Stage)        
Don't have a dog in this particular hunt

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But suppose you have to give SQ credit for keeping something alive that is obviously dying and or becoming more difficult to produce/manage; top loading washing machines with a central beater.

Given the ever increasing puny water/energy usage restrictions on washing machines there are limits to how low things can go and still give a proper wash.


Post# 968239 , Reply# 105   11/15/2017 at 21:50 by agiflow2 ()        

Well from the videos I have seen on the current speed queen FLers I would be glad to have one. No nonsense workhorses. Doesn't take forever to balance a load and is pretty much straight forward that uses visibly more water. Very good on Speed Queen.

Post# 968241 , Reply# 106   11/15/2017 at 22:06 by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

IT IS ALL IN FUN and ALWAYS HAVE BEEN...well for me that is...I LOVE THIS CLUB...but I must say it was quite disturbing that not enough of the older (TIME) and elder (AGE) members did not demand that the disrespectful insults stop and not be tolerated. There should not be a place for that kind of behavior or mindset for this club...not this club, give me a break...we're LOVERS of washing machines and sort...washing machines I tell you...ALL IN FUN...I still say SQ should have kept the flex-vane...maybe lengthen the 'SLIT' to increase the force of the rolling currents...


Post# 968245 , Reply# 107   11/15/2017 at 22:27 by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
I like everyone bUT

I LOATHE anything new and just refuse to use it, this convinces me I need to store up enough real washers to do me the rest of my life, My 80s Hotpoint Rimflow and Hotpoint matching dryer, clean just fine,I WANT a Westinghouse FL set and I intend to find a set,My next purchase is going to be a non frost free real refrigerator!Speed Queen wont put these in laundromats, I think John is right, the front loader they make will eventually take over as I do believe its the best on the market..I don't want one because I don't like the reversing during wash.

Post# 968246 , Reply# 108   11/15/2017 at 22:29 by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
And my LEAST favorite vintage machine

Is what most people love a Maytag...You can have all of them, I jinx them just like I jinx a GM car.

Post# 968252 , Reply# 109   11/15/2017 at 23:14 by agiflow2 ()        

So...how well does the current crop of Speed Queen flers clean laundry ? Are heaters overhyped ? They definitely use more water than WP and Maytag from what I've seen.

Scrubflex, Speed Queen could have also used the laundromat agitator also. The solid vanes would have helped rollover. We have not seen it yet....we will know soon enough I'm sure.


Post# 968268 , Reply# 110   11/16/2017 at 01:15 by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

That's true, better than I thought it would (slope-vanes)...I am looking forward to see it in action as well...Are there anymore pics of the 2018 Speed Queen? There aren't any articles or info about the new SQ's on the internet.

Post# 968285 , Reply# 111   11/16/2017 at 06:57 by chetlaham (United States)        

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@Johnrk: Where do you feel I was wrong in this thread about SQ?

Post# 968290 , Reply# 112   11/16/2017 at 07:06 by johnrk (Houston)        

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Post# 968293 , Reply# 113   11/16/2017 at 07:20 by chetlaham (United States)        

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And its further clear to me you aren't an actual appliance expert or want to have an intellectual discussion about washing machines. How sad...


But anyways, I support SQ and remain behind my remarks. I have no reason to doubt them.


Post# 968296 , Reply# 114   11/16/2017 at 07:25 by johnrk (Houston)        

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Post# 968300 , Reply# 115   11/16/2017 at 07:33 by johnrk (Houston)        
canned ham

Blocked.

Post# 968301 , Reply# 116   11/16/2017 at 07:34 by chetlaham (United States)        

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Again, you are welcome to prove me wrong through an intellectual discussion with facts (rather than names) about where I was wrong regarding SQ.

Post# 968302 , Reply# 117   11/16/2017 at 07:35 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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Forget about him, old cranky can't stand backtalking as he probably sees it. Some people need enemies more than friends.

Post# 968303 , Reply# 118   11/16/2017 at 07:40 by chetlaham (United States)        

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That or he serves a particular function, ie trolling. Ignoring is indeed best in that case.

Post# 968304 , Reply# 119   11/16/2017 at 07:41 by chetlaham (United States)        
Blocked

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And, with no response given thereafter, always take that as a sign of agreement :)

Post# 968431 , Reply# 120   11/16/2017 at 20:51 by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)        
Forget about him, old cranky can't stand backtalking

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Or maybe he just needs more fiber in his diet.

Post# 968442 , Reply# 121   11/16/2017 at 21:33 by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
control panel layout

I wonder what the control panel layout is going to be.

Post# 968443 , Reply# 122   11/16/2017 at 21:43 by johnrk (Houston)        
My Greatest Dissatisfaction

with the Model 432 that I bought a few weeks ago is the amazing amount of lint it generates. I owned top loaders until around 20 years ago, until I switched to a couple of front loaders. They never left lint on clothing like this machine does, and certainly the front loaders never did. I've been forced, for the first time in 40 years of buying washers, to have to separate laundry by lint-producing and lint-attracting. It's doubly irritating because I only have myself to wash for, so it's not like I have full loads of these things.

Given what I've seen with this SQ TL, if I had it to do over I'd buy their front loader instead. With the amount that I wash weekly, though, this machine will probably last me for 20+ years, according to SQ's guide!

I hope that the new action, whatever it is, does a better job of not creating lint, and of getting rid of the lint it does create.


Post# 968447 , Reply# 123   11/16/2017 at 22:07 by agiflow2 ()        

I have a 432 also and I don't really notice lint problems. I machine dry though so I guess it wouldn't matter that much. I have had the machine now almost 5 years and if I get another 10 it will be well worth it.

The most reliable machine I ever owned was a dd Whirlpool and I would of probably still had it had not the washbasket holes got plugged up with mineral deposits because I was using Arm &Hammer and if I got the timer fixed. NOW THAT was a good machine.


Post# 968451 , Reply# 124   11/16/2017 at 22:26 by brucelucenta ()        

LOL If you get another 10 years out of it it will be more than worth it, it will be a miracle!!!!

Post# 968484 , Reply# 125   11/17/2017 at 05:53 by agiflow2 ()        

Doesn't SQ claim their testing method equates to 20-25 years of use?....yeah right! Your right though brucelucenta,...with all the extra rinsing I do with the machine I will be happy with 10 years total..LOL

Post# 968620 , Reply# 126   11/17/2017 at 21:07 by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

Would like to weigh in on the SQ's. Purchased Model 432S in April 2015 and with recent events in our household this year, feel that I can give a fair and balanced view.

*Johnr is correct in the linting problem "...the amazing amount of lint it generates." For $1000.00+ spent on this machine, I did not expect this situation. Have been racking my mind as to what I could rig up in a homemade lint filter to fit inside the agitator to alleviate the problem. The inside of the agitator is mostly hollow, surely something should work. Speed Queen states in their guide to "Sort Lint "Shedders" From Lint "Receivers" and then they give examples. They definitely were aware of this issue. See picture below. I'm wondering if a Maytag filter wouldn't fit inside with some modifications. I miss my old Filter-Flo's!!!

For $1000.00+ I had hoped for larger usable capacity. SQ guide states for an Extra Large load size is "2 queen size sheets, 4 pillow cases, 2 nightgowns, 1 pair men's pajamas." In all honesty, this is pushing it's limits. Started having small pin holes in my undershirts and small holes and tears in towels showing up when washing an extra large loads. At first I thought it was bleach, age of my clothes, or I was doing something wrong, so I cut the size of the load but left the water selection on high and the pin holes and tears in the towels ceased. There are two vertical holes in the agitator and I now never fill the tub past that second upper hole. I also set the timer between Normal and Short wash to reduce agitation time, but will soak for 15 minutes or so after agitation starts on dirty loads, results are pretty good. For the amount of usable load size it uses a ton of water, and that's NOT including 2nd & 3rd rinses I've had to use on towels.

For $1000.00+ rinsing could be considerably improved. I've finally learned to use "a drizzle" of any type of detergent. Woolite for Darks is the best I've found so far in low sudsing, to eliminate the 2nd rinse in most cases. All Free & Clear isn't bad, but have noticed fading in my clothes. Rosalies Zero Suds would probably be my best bet, but I'm afraid it would really be expensive for a non-HE machine.


Water extraction is poor on large loads, jeans and, again towels, I usually run a second spin to cut drying time.

There was a definite learning curve on this machine. I'm OVER the whole T/L / F/L debate and issue, it took my Dad's illness for me to see the light. Our water bill went from nearly $20.00/month to $60.00/month, but this included running about 8 - 10 loads a week during the summer. Don't remember the water usage, but I can check if anyone asks, it was mostly the SQ. And on the local news there are increases in rates for next year.

I hope SQ's new contender will solve some of the issues I've run across. (I realize that many of the issues were due to it's design and construction for commercial uses.....but for a $1000.00 come on!!)

Sorry to be so negative. On the positive side, it IS built like a tank...and I have no doubt. It's also fast, but with the newer designs on competitors new machines they are cutting the cycle times comparable to SQ so it's much less of an issue it once was. Warranties are the best in the business.
If I were to buy a new machine now it would be probably F/L with sanitizing cycle OR T/L GE, something with some capacity.




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Post# 968630 , Reply# 127   11/17/2017 at 23:14 by johnrk (Houston)        
I Didn't Know

until I decided to replace my FL Frigidaire that Speed Queen even made FL washers! I've been visiting this site periodically since it opened, but this isn't a subject that's constantly on my radar.

I purchased this 432 SQ/TL for one reason: reputation for durability. I was perfectly happy with the cleaning ability of the two front loaders I owned (though not re mold/mildew), I was disappointed with the lack of longevity.

So, I purchased this top loader, as I'd had top loaders for 20+ years and had been happy. Is this new SQ that I've now had for nearly two months the equal of my three Filter-Flo machines? I don't think so. Much, much more lint on the clothing. No Mini-Basket. No Mini-Quick 15-minute cycle.

As I've stated, had I the choice to do over again, I'd possibly pay the several hundred Dollars' difference and would buy the front loader. But then, this dryer with no moisture sensor is definitely not up to the standard of today's regular machines, either. Not to mention, as Frigilux states, the temp on regular drying approaches the surface of the sun.

It's here and I can only hope that the reputation for durability makes it worth its very real shortcomings.


Post# 968635 , Reply# 128   11/18/2017 at 00:52 by earthling177 (Boston, MA)        

John:

Why not take the opportunity, particularly if your set is just two months old, to either see if the store you got them from will accept a return and you get a f/l set, or you sell them to people who think they won't be happy with the new SQ t/l and want something more traditional like you have?

It really doesn't seem worth the trouble of keeping a set you do not like to begin with.

Some people will sacrifice anything for durability/reliability -- I probably would too when I was younger, but now, for me, there are other things that are at least as important, if not more. Then again, my case is different, I'm happy to live in a home with a basement where my laundry room is, and not only I can, but I do have more than one set of washer and dryer. I'll be annoyed if a machine breaks, but I'll still be able to do laundry. People who can only keep one set and don't live near a good laundromat for backup are in different situation.

Cheers!
†††-- Paulo.


Post# 968636 , Reply# 129   11/18/2017 at 01:00 by johnrk (Houston)        
Paul

I have no doubt that my local dealer would take back the set I have. I won't do it. I'm not sufficiently unhappy for that.

We each have our own criteria for satisfaction with possessions. This set meets those criteria adequately. Others on this forum have different criteria than me, particularly with regard to water use and electronic gimmicks. I wouldn't want yet another front loader with which I'd have to constantly clean and fight against mold and mildew. Oh, I see the preaching of others along with the accusation of laziness or ignorance aimed at those of us who have fought this filth. I simply pigeonhole that ranting along with various other arguments.

No, this set is here to stay for me, as I've seen little else in other brands to motivate me, and uncertainty whether much more expensive SQ models would be worth the extra expense.


Post# 968637 , Reply# 130   11/18/2017 at 01:40 by earthling177 (Boston, MA)        

Well, I wish you good luck then!

I have in fact heard of people who fought the mold and mildew, and to be honest, I'm not exactly sure what causes it and what cures it -- I've never had the trouble myself and I've switched from top-loaders to front-loaders back and forth depending on where I was living at the time and what was available, without any trouble. I've heard everything from "you need to use bleach every once in a while" to "you can't use fabric softener" etc. The thing is that I use bleach so rarely in my home that the bottle "goes bad", that is, the active chlorine evaporates before I use it all and I have to discard the useless liquid, and I use fabric softener in nearly every single load. I've also seen people who had the trouble despite the fact that they switched back to a top-loader, and I've even seen people who had the trouble and all they ever owned was a top-loader. I tend to prefer powder detergents, but I like to try new stuff and if you showed up unannounced tomorrow, you'd see I have plenty of liquid and pod detergents on hand and I use them without trouble too. So, I dunno for sure, but I'm glad I haven't dealt with it.

Cheers,
†††-- Paulo.


Post# 968638 , Reply# 131   11/18/2017 at 01:50 by johnrk (Houston)        
Mold and Mildew

Because there are such diverse experiences with these plagues on our machines, I think there's something else either climate-based or simply environment-based that we haven't learned yet. I live in a hot and humid climate--my central a/c is running as I type this at 1:45am--and my machines are inside with me. It's seldom above 75F in this house. My water is either very soft nor very hard. I've used every major detergent at length. Of course I left the door open at all times on the FL's. I'd also wipe down the wet inner glass on the door after every wash.

I've had friends in my city who did virtually the same things that I did, and never had any mold or mildew. So who knows? I remember that when I bought the last front loader, the Frigidaire Affinity, it announced that the gasket was made of something special to fight mold. Well, it was worse than my first GE/Kenmore front loader, a lot worse.

I have no doubt that in the future all of this will be considered teething pains for this generation of machines. We're just the ones who are having to live through it.


Post# 968639 , Reply# 132   11/18/2017 at 02:16 by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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Because there are such diverse experiences with these plagues on our machines, I think there's something else either climate-based or simply environment-based that we haven't learned yet.

 

Wouldn't surprise me.

 

I can't comment about mold and mildew in front load machines. But I think I had a problem this last summer in a BOL WP DD. At least, it smelled funny--and the smell wasn't a leftover fragrance from the Cold Water Tide I was experimenting with. "Cold water" might explain the problem--but I never really went very cold with my experiments at that time, and I was running plenty of regular washes with other detergents with warmer water. I was using only liquid detergent--but I've used liquids pretty much exclusively for some time with no problem. In any case, I did things to try and correct, such as being sure to use warm enough water, use a bit of my limited powder detergent stash, etc. Finally, I ended up running a full tub of water with bleach. Problem solved...but it came back when I started experimenting with the Tide again. I shelved the Tide, did a bleaching routine, and the problem was solved.

 

Odd thing...but I went back to using that Tide again a few weeks ago. Mainly because I hate throwing detergent away... And no problems this time. My only guess is that there is something with that Tide formula coupled with a summer-warm laundry room. (I've never had problems in summer before, and I've lived with this laundry room many years now, and this washer for at least 2,3 years now.)




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Post# 968655 , Reply# 133   11/18/2017 at 05:21 by appnut (TX)        

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Barry's experience with pin holes in fabrics mimics what I experienced with my DD LK (aka Lady Shredmore) and hence my disdain for top loaders.  Barry's experience confirms I'm not crazy.  Nor two of my neighbors who complained to me since I'm the perceived washer expert around here. 


Post# 968663 , Reply# 134   11/18/2017 at 07:15 by johnrk (Houston)        
Shredmore!

How sad that your experience with a machine like that colored your entire outlook toward top loaders!

Let's hope you never burn anything on the stove or you might give up ranges...LOL


Post# 968684 , Reply# 135   11/18/2017 at 09:19 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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drilling a hole in the center can be done.....been there...done that....

it will turn your agitator into a powerfin style....I only did the hole in the center to help keep it clean from softener build up....I really didn't have to drill one in the sides, it will pull water down and underneath....

in fact, dropping in of those little screen used for a sink strainer should work nicely...


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Post# 968699 , Reply# 136   11/18/2017 at 11:31 by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Linting and Mold Problems

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The new SQ TL will solve the lint problem, as the agitation is much less aggressive and the neutral drain will help immensely.

The problem with mold and foul odors in FL [ or TL ] washers is always entirely caused by poor washing habits and usage habits.[ this is why one house has the problem and the house next door does not have the problem ] It has never been found to be a problem of the washer.

For all washers, always use plenty a GOOD quality detergent, skip the cheap national brands like but not limited to, Arm&hammer, purex, All, Amway, and any Eco brands.

ALWAYS wash in at least 100F water, this usually means on a FL washer always using the hot wash setting.

If you use fabric softener it is even more important to wash clothing properly the next time.

Use LCB when ever possible.

It is really never necessary to run washer clean cycles, wipe the door boot etc. Wiping the door boot is only the tip of the iceberg, most mold forms on the inside of the outer tub and on the outside of the wash basket, spider and inside the wash baffles, dispenser ares hoses and other parts exposed to water that you cannot even get to.

Never try to rinse in warm water, warm leaves the machine at a perfect temperature for things to grow.


My SQ FL washer smells like a new machine after 12 years of use, When I left for Amsterdam and London the other week I stripped my bed put the sheets in the SQ FLer and forgot them, when I got back 8 days latter I went to my room and saw I had not made the bed went down found the sheets still in the washer with the door closed tightly and though oh s..t.

I opened the door which was covered with condensation on the inside and pulled out a sheet and smelled it, It was as fresh as if the machine had just been run so in the dryer they went and back on the bed.

John L.


Post# 968707 , Reply# 137   11/18/2017 at 12:39 by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Lint Problems

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Linting issues can be exaggerated by under dosing detergents. Make sure you are using enough. Additionally, over rinsing can contribute too.

Malcolm


Post# 968708 , Reply# 138   11/18/2017 at 12:46 by johnrk (Houston)        
Mold Problems

Well, I guess I just don't deserve to live without mold in a front loader, then.

Post# 968715 , Reply# 139   11/18/2017 at 13:17 by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

John & Malcomb, I'm curious, what detergents do you use? (I cant use anything with optical brighteners, makes me break out.)

Martin, thank you so much for the suggestion on the sink strainers, I did not think of that. Next time I go into town, I'll check Lowes and see what I can find. Excellent suggestion. I AM going to rig something up.

Bob, I NEVER had damage to clothing like what I discovered on my shirts and towels, with previous washers, even with the T/L Kenmore. Had to buy new towels and shirts. One damaged shirt was one of my favorites and, boy, did I hit the roof! I can certainly understand your distain for top loaders now. Also noticed when I washed 4-5 pairs of jeans I started getting sever fraying on the bottoms of the pant leg along the seams, so 3 pairs max now. I've worked hard for what I have so when I discovered the damage I was / am disillusioned to say the least.

Barry



Post# 968716 , Reply# 140   11/18/2017 at 13:18 by Infusor (Michigan)        

One main thing, i cannot stress it enough, even more important than using hot water good detergent etc is LEAVE THE DOOR OPEN between uses!!!!! I've had my lg front loader for almost 5 years now and still smells brand new! Even if i pull the door boot back and look bethween the "crevis" there is nothing its perfectly clean, i use fabric softener, tide and persil plus on my whites and musty towels etc i always use the sanitize cycle which is nsf certified.

Post# 968718 , Reply# 141   11/18/2017 at 13:23 by agiflow2 ()        

I washed a shower curtain and the lining that goes with it last night. The machine ripped the lining pretty good. My conscience said put it on gentle but no...didnt think that would happen.

This has been discussed in the past but the tub in my Speed Queen has what feels like threads on the lower walls of the wash basket. Noticed it when I first got it. Nothing sharp but it feels like screw threads almost.

How that escaped QC I have no idea.


Post# 968723 , Reply# 142   11/18/2017 at 14:03 by johnrk (Houston)        
Barry

In the two front loaders that I owned, and apparently used poor washing habits with, Tide was the detergent used, in one variation or another.

I'm not going to waste time explaining for the umpteenth time that I cleaned the damn things religiously, always left the doors open, removed the detergent drawers and washed them separately in the dishwasher, etc. I washed hot for at least 75% of the time with 140F water. I know that the assertion that I was in any way deficient in my care of the machines is bullsh*t.

However, another question should arise, if somehow my following all the recommendations still didn't stop mold and mildew. And, of course, it applies to many, many thousands of other owners, if not millions. At what point is it no longer fashionable to constantly blame us, the owners, and instead start looking at the design of the product instead?

You know, we lived through Suzuki Samurai SUV's rolling over, and of course that was due to operator error. We lived through Ford Pinto car fires when the cars were rear-ended, of course that being operator error. We lived through Ford Econoline vans killing so many people because they couldn't handle full passenger loads on their rear tires; these were operator problems when the drivers swerved suddenly. I could go on and on with various products that, regardless of cause, proved less than satisfactory when in the hands of the public.

At some point, sniping at the operators of these moldy machines is not going to be satisfactory. At some point, the manufacturers will have to address this problem, perhaps with a new paradigm. After all, we, the public, are the ones spending the money!


Post# 968726 , Reply# 143   11/18/2017 at 14:27 by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

Johnrk,
I believe you, have no doubt. I've never owned a front load, and the only experience I have with them was at a commercial laundrymat, and that hardly qualifies for anything. Hopefully the makers of any malfunctioning machines, albeit cars / appliances / electronics will learn of the shortcomings of their designs and get that corrected in short order. Whirlpool and Maytag learned the hard way on what a class action lawsuit can bring.

I have carefully, and thoughtfully, outlined my experiences with the current SQ. I am only speaking for myself and what I've observed. I think the linting problems are a shredding of the fabrics. The new towels that I bought a few months ago are all ready getting noticeably thinner and same with t-shirts, and I'm not overloading the machine, and being careful to set a short wash time. It's a problem.


Post# 968728 , Reply# 144   11/18/2017 at 14:43 by johnrk (Houston)        
mrsalvo-

I'm beginning to notice it with my towels, also. Am thinking of just switching to the slower speed, but then I'm not going back to my utility room with every load to switch to a faster spin speed. I'm making damn sure that I'm keeping plenty of water with my loads, which isn't a problem because I've only had two really full loads by most peoples' standards in the last 6 weeks.

You know what else this whole mold thing vs. operators reminds me of? Back 35 years or so ago, Corning introduced their Visions line of pots and pans. If you remember them, they were beautiful one piece designs in smoky quartz color tinted glass. I ran out and bought every one of them, got rid of my old Revere Ware that had served so well throughout college.

I learned very, very quickly that the Visions cookware had a serious problem: everything stuck to it! You could open a can or corn or peas, put them in water on the stove and they'd stick to the pot. Heaven help you if you wanted to cook an egg or bacon or hamburger; even with Pam they'd weld themselves to the waffle-bottom skillets. Corning finally acknowledged after so many unhappy customers that there was a problem, and they reintroduced Visions in raspberry with some type of nonstick finish. By then, I was like thousands of others--I gave it all to Goodwill and started over.

I'd have happily paid $2K or more for an NOS GE Filter-Flo like the TOL model I bought in 1986--any color. It never let me down, but then neither did the set before or after that one. It just worked, washed my clothing well, and gave me no grief. It was my hope that this new SQ TL was going to be the same. I'm already finding out that, as they recommend, I have to wipe out the top of the stainless steel tub or it accumulates detergent and water chemicals in a ring.


Post# 968732 , Reply# 145   11/18/2017 at 14:53 by Johnb300m (Chicago)        

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There could be many variables that lead to mold in front loaders.
On top of user error, never letting the machine dry out, or using incorrect amounts of detergents/softeners, there could also be other chemical factors.

My home water is very alkaline, with a pH of 8.5 or more!
That contributes to my glasses etching with my soft water.
However my front loader is sparkling.
There's also factors such as temperature and humidity of the laundry room.
Then there's also the factor of different people, and different soils that get introduced to the machine.

All these factors can commingle and cause situations where some machines will never mold, or others will always mold, wether it's a front loader of X or Y brand, or even some top loaders!


Post# 968745 , Reply# 146   11/18/2017 at 15:31 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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like it or not, there has to be something leading to this mold/mildew issue...and why some get it, and others don't....

of course there are variables to consider....water, temps, cycles, chemicals, etc...

for me, this goes way back into the 80's when I had a Frigidaire Tall Tumbler, there was not dispenser drawer, and never gave it a thought, once unloaded, shut and latched the door, out of sight out of mind....never an issue.....

I have acquired countless FL machines reeking with filth, mold, mildew....once you clean the heavy stuff with a major chlorine flush, anything that was left, went away on its own during future washings....

all I can say, is I know what has cured the machines, and what prevents it in the first place.....at the end of my wash day, I shut the door and walk away....I don't leave doors or dispensers open, I don't wipe anything down, no special cleaners, in fact my machines don't offer a 'clean washer' cycle....its just a gimmick in my mind....

I do polish the exterior once in a while with car wax.....

you may have to discover your own method.....


Post# 968749 , Reply# 147   11/18/2017 at 15:37 by stricklybojack (San Diego, CA)        

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Martin's [aka Yogitunes] posts remain the benchmark for SANITY and usefulness in the topsy-turvy world that is AW.

Just wanted to chime in with that...




Post# 968750 , Reply# 148   11/18/2017 at 15:38 by johnrk (Houston)        
Yogitunes

You owned one of my dream machines: an eighties Tall Tumbler! What color was yours? Did you like it? How did it compare for you with contemporary top loaders? I know they were supposed to be trouble-prone, but I still think they're ultra-cool.

Post# 968783 , Reply# 149   11/18/2017 at 17:10 by rapunzel (Sydney)        

Been washing with SQ top loaders for three decades. Don't know anything about excessive linting or foul odor issues. Occasionally something might come out of the dryer with some fluff stuck to it - I've got a lint roller for that. The worst that's ever happened was a burst cold water inlet hose. The outside gets wiped down with a damp cloth ever so often. Once a year I open the front panel and clean out dust and whatever else might find its way in there; and to check that everything is in good working order.

These are no-fuss machines that don't need a lot of fussing over.


Post# 968797 , Reply# 150   11/18/2017 at 18:36 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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I got the TallTumbler aka 'Space Mates' for my partner, at the time he only had a GE filterflo in a bathroom closet....a full size all-in-one stack was too tall, but separate units were easier to install....they were floor model clearance from Sears, and still cheaper than a 24" stacked portable set....the flat back allowed for close to wall install as well....

they were white, which I think was the only color available from Sears....and maybe Almond...this was considered part of their Specialty line up....

with a well, septic, and an electric water heater, the best option you could choose at the time.....not to mention, full size capacity...this home machine was best for blankets and throw rugs...

I thought the Weigh-to-Save door was unique.....but in reality, you could leave it on low water level for every load, as it really was self adjusting to the amount of clothes.....no dispensers which was a bummer, but all you needed was a shot glass of Tide for every load....

the drop down door was better to load/unload versus these side swing doors....

the only issue was if it hit a major out of balance during spin, one rear corner snubber would jump out of place....I installed a piece of angle iron across the top, which didn't let the unit jump too high and out of place....other than that, it ran flawless for 10 years until he sold the house and left them behind.....

quiet during wash, but you knew when it went into drain or spin, at the SNAP of those solenoids...

the matching dryer had the 'Cross Vane' tumbling...probably one of the best at not rolling sheets and blankets into a ball....

for his next house I got him the Neptunes.....


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Post# 968802 , Reply# 151   11/18/2017 at 18:56 by johnrk (Houston)        
Thanks!

Great story--thanks so much-

Post# 968832 , Reply# 152   11/18/2017 at 21:19 by Launderess (Quiet Please, Thereīs a Lady on Stage)        
Fraying is a sign of abrasion

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While H-axis washers are in theory a more gentle method of washing than say washers with central beaters; things do happen.

Have towels that have begun to fray along edges that have been washed in nothing but front loaders (the Miele and lately Lavamat),but we're talking about bath linens that are nearly twenty years old and seen frequent long hot water washes.

Assuming there aren't any defects in tub or boot, usual culprit is laundry that is rubbing against glass porthole, and or along inside boot/door. This can be anything from over loading to poor design.

For certain fabrics/loads it may be wise to slightly under load washer to give things more room to move about. This should help reduce friction and wear.

Other issue is thanks to ever increasing energy standards there is less water even in h-axis washing machines to do the job. This has lead to reports in some sectors of increased wear on washing, but manufactures and or federal government seem to think otherwise.


Post# 968953 , Reply# 153   11/19/2017 at 17:30 by Gyrafoam (Roanoke, VA)        

I got my SQ 432 about six years ago. Never had a problem of any kind with it other than annoyingly slow fill. Lint, water extraction, odors and capacity have never been an issue.

Post# 969053 , Reply# 154   11/20/2017 at 07:25 by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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Same here Launderess.  I replaced many of my towels last year...it only took 15 years for them to get to that shape and always washed in a FL with hot water and clorox.


Post# 969879 , Reply# 155   11/25/2017 at 13:47 by agiflow2 ()        

Any more news on the new queens?

Post# 969922 , Reply# 156   11/25/2017 at 16:24 by Joem (New jersey)        
Agitator and tub

Does the agitator and tub move back and forth Together? I wish they made the lid out of glass so we can see it work

Post# 969938 , Reply# 157   11/25/2017 at 16:52 by agiflow2 ()        

Another Jersey guy! What's up? To answer your question, yes the agitator is bolted to the tub and move as one unit. I guess we will we see in the new year or when and if Speed Queen does promo videos of this new machine. Between the new Maytag and Speed Queen it is going to be an interesting new year.

Post# 972139 , Reply# 158   12/7/2017 at 12:26 by Infusor (Michigan)        

Our friend kirk just uploaded this

CLICK HERE TO GO TO Infusor's LINK


Post# 972144 , Reply# 159   12/7/2017 at 13:14 by chetlaham (United States)        

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This video, was recorded by a potato. :P (Kidding folks)


But from everything I can see here, thats how you build an HE topload washers! Glad to see quality radiating through out.


Post# 972196 , Reply# 160   12/7/2017 at 17:37 by johnrk (Houston)        
Thanks, Kirk!

Fascinating little video. I'm glad I just bought my 432, though, as I don't like the control panel. I think the new Maytag black panel is more attractive. Certainly looks substantial in this video.

Post# 972215 , Reply# 161   12/7/2017 at 20:07 by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
The New SQ TL Washers

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I predict are going to be about the most reliable TL washers EVER built, cleaning performance and energy efficiency will be another matter.

 

I also predict that SQ will lose at least 1/4 of their TL washer sales in the next few years if not much more.

 

Until you see the new control panels in person you may not realize how much better they  look and they have more of a quality look and feel.

 

The current panel design has been in production more than 20 years, and they have had problems with the plastic end caps cracking for years and discoloration problems for years as well, the new look and better looking knobs will be a big hit with buyers if they see them both side by side.

 

John L.


Post# 972414 , Reply# 162   12/8/2017 at 17:49 by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        
Iím getting a set on Monday

Iíll make a proper video for you guys once I get them installed

Post# 972415 , Reply# 163   12/8/2017 at 17:54 by chetlaham (United States)        
Loosing sales

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I trust your wisdom.

We'll see however- it is very possible- but we don't know what trick Speed Queen may have up their sleeve for getting an agitub washer to clean well. For example, with rapid acceleration and deceleration they could use the inertia of the clothes to rotate themselves around the agitator. Physics it does not matter which body is stationary and which is moving, the final outcome is the same. At least thats what I am hoping.



But in all honesty Speed Queen may have done themselves in. Heres why: I was on a chatforum today and the topic of washers came up. I brought up Speed Queen which lead several others to do so as well. The lady looking for a washer brought up that Speed Queen was rated less than other washers in wash-ability according to consumer reports. IMO, and personally, thats BS. However with these new washers the prophecy may finally full-fill itself. SQ could (easily) become the long life poor cleaning washer in everyone's eyes 'yahh super long life, but they do that by removing the parts that clean' Not what was said in the chat, just what I think we might end up hearing in the general public opinion.


Personally Speed Queen could have used the opportunity to produce the best cleaning washer possible. With a mod shifter and even a tub break that variable Speed motor could have been put to good use.

At east we have a modern day Maytag...



Post# 972416 , Reply# 164   12/8/2017 at 17:56 by chetlaham (United States)        

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@Loaraine: I already have butterflys in my stomach. The moment when all is revealed.

Post# 972474 , Reply# 165   12/9/2017 at 02:18 by johnrk (Houston)        
For John L-

I noticed with the two most recent FL sets that I owned, that the control panel part of these white machines definitely discolored over their life times. My utility room has a bank of 4 of those standard-length fluorescent lights and I seldom cut them off; they tend to stay on day and night. I have a Nesco dehydrator and I've noticed that it has yellowed over the past several years also.

Is it true that fluorescent lights will tend to cause this yellowing reaction more than incandescents? I used to have just a double-incandescent fixture in there and about a decade or so ago, had it replaced with fluorescent.


Post# 972481 , Reply# 166   12/9/2017 at 02:30 by chetlaham (United States)        

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Florescent lights do emit a small amount of UV FWIW, so I would imagine that might be the culprit. Curious what John says too, a decade ago had the same thing happen when the basement had shop lights all over the place.

Post# 972511 , Reply# 167   12/9/2017 at 06:27 by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Flourescent lights emit UVA A radiation--"Black light" This is not harmful to you but can cause plastics to fade or discolor.These lights DO NOT emit UV-B(tanning radiation) or UV-C (Germicidal) radiation.These two are harmful to people.The phosphors and outer bulb envelope absorb the harmful rays.




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