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Post# 969424   11/22/2017 at 16:51 by agiflow2 ()        

Here you go folks. Enjoy! Thanks to Kirk Rivas for filming this washer! The wash tub looks nice and wide.








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Post# 969429 , Reply# 1   11/22/2017 at 18:25 by chetlaham (United States)        

Thank you, I like! :)

Post# 969434 , Reply# 2   11/22/2017 at 18:51 by agiflow2 ()        

Your welcome! Kirk is a great guy going to the trouble to film these machines for the public. Similar to GE's current crop of top loaders with decent turnover.

That jeans load was a good indicator of how well this machine can circulate a big load like that. This to me is the only real competitor to Speed Queen now for a top load washer. That warranty is very enticing. I always wanted to see a video of this machine in action and now I have.

I like that it switches agitator speeds during washing. Fast like a DD and then switches to a long slower stroke.

Kirk says he will be filming many cycles with this washer. I want to see what the normal cycle does.. how high the water level is. It has no load sensor so that will be interesting.

Hope Whirlpool offers other models like this with more options. I may have to visit the dealer where I bought my Speed Queen and check to see if they have this washer in on the sales floor.




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Post# 969436 , Reply# 3   11/22/2017 at 19:03 by johnrk (Houston)        
How Revolutionary!

Using water to wash clothes! Maybe it'll start a trend...

Post# 969437 , Reply# 4   11/22/2017 at 19:04 by washerdude (Canada )        

Seems to be a no BS top loader.
Cuts right into the next cycle with no stupid sensing spins.
Me Like!
Not the mention that aggressive agitation!


Post# 969443 , Reply# 5   11/22/2017 at 19:34 by henene4 (Germany)        

This washer does a lot of things right that any other washer - be it TL or FL - could learn from.
Seperating the actual rating cycle from the cycle the consumer will use most has been standard over here and makes a lot of sense especially with electronicly controlled machines.
Allows for proper washing while hitting ratings.
Next, it knows what water it needs. Forcing lower water usage to the point your wash system no longer works is just stupid. An agitator washer simply needs clothes to be suspended in water. A FL needs water to quickly and effectivley filter through the laundry.
Oh, and it allows for a wide range of options. From single spray to double deep rinse.

One thing that is sad though: I think a rough sensing would actually make this a far more recomandable machine.
I mean, the basket really isn't big, but still, I think a half load should use less water then a full load.
Sensing dosen't mean it has to go completly HE. But it has the capability to sense, so why not sense for half loads on DeepWater cycles?
Using a full tub of water even though I might just wash half a load or less just seems unecessary.
And these machines can for sure do that!
If I were to use this machine, I couldn't get myself to run anything but full loads. Couldn't get over the thought of using 20 or so gallons more then needed just because the machine says so.


Post# 969451 , Reply# 6   11/22/2017 at 20:07 by agiflow2 ()        

I agree henene4. I was thinking about that. Since this isn't an impeller style agitator...i think with the design it would have to fill pretty high as the agitator vanes would give too much resistance and put unnecessary labor on the motor, but I'm not an engineer. Would like to see the parts breakdown though.



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Post# 969458 , Reply# 7   11/22/2017 at 21:27 by chetlaham (United States)        

I think they are trying to mimick a DD here- that agitation sure looks like it. Faster fill to. I think Speed Queen has Whirlpool scared.

Post# 969462 , Reply# 8   11/22/2017 at 21:47 by agiflow2 ()        

The long stroke really sloshed the jeans around in that tub..funny enough though the shorter strokes seemed to have more controlled turnover... this machine is really growing on me already. I wonder if the top is POS?...NO! Not that POS!.... I mean Porcelain on steel.LOL

Post# 969463 , Reply# 9   11/22/2017 at 21:51 by chetlaham (United States)        

Not only that- the thing goes right into spin. And I really like that the spray rinse is at the end of the first spin- flushes out the remaining suds water from the drain house and pump- makes me wonder why no one did this earlier. And is it me or does this thing drain faster to?

Yes- I am also sold! Mark my words, things will only get better with Trump!


Post# 969464 , Reply# 10   11/22/2017 at 21:58 by chetlaham (United States)        

And it does to full deep rinses! I'm in love <3 <3


Finally after 8 years a real washer from Whirlpool.


Post# 969465 , Reply# 11   11/22/2017 at 22:06 by agiflow2 ()        

Chetlaham I thought the same thing about the draining too. It seems to empty pretty fast. Really curious as to how much water the normal cycle will use. I imagine you still have to use HE detergent... Which nowadays is almost standard.

I hope this already passes 2018 regulations on its normal cycle. If the LORD wills I will get one just to have...Finally Whirlpool is waking up. If future washers are made like this I will definitely consider Whirlpool again. If the DD washers were still being made when I got my Speed Queen set I wouldn't have gotten a Speed Queen set.


Post# 969467 , Reply# 12   11/22/2017 at 22:17 by chetlaham (United States)        

Finally- its happening. Knowing manufactures first try the boldest moves on their TOLs, there is a good chance this could move its way down to the Amanas. At least its a wish. They are going to win many people over this way.

All in all SQ is still the way to go as I think those will outlast the DDs.


Post# 969473 , Reply# 13   11/22/2017 at 23:20 by agiflow2 ()        

I hope these Maytag washers hold up past the warranty. When I begin my new career I will consider getting one of these washers. Still content with the 432.

Will have to keep an eye out for more videos of this machine in action. At least we know how it does with a fairly big load of denims. Very good!


Post# 969482 , Reply# 14   11/23/2017 at 01:17 by Mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

Very interesting. 3.6 cubic feet. It's about the same size as SQ, maybe a little larger. Stainless steel tub and decent warranty. Definitely feel that Whirlpool has taken serious notice of SQ. I wonder if it has a lint filter.

Barry


Post# 969496 , Reply# 15   11/23/2017 at 06:11 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
Wow

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And for years people have said things would only get worse. This is just like an OLD 80s/90s/2000s Whirlpool Kenmore dual action TLer. The only DUMB thing I see is that there is no water level setting - low, med, high, Ex Large. What were they thinking leaving that out? They got everything else right.

Post# 969499 , Reply# 16   11/23/2017 at 06:22 by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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I don't understand the reasoning behind the (lack of) water level choices ... either auto-sense or FULL fill.† F&P gets it right on their agitator model -- auto-sense or choice of five manual selections on ALL cycles.


Post# 969500 , Reply# 17   11/23/2017 at 06:42 by agiflow2 ()        

Maybe they will work that out in future models. One can only hope.

Post# 969502 , Reply# 18   11/23/2017 at 07:00 by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
No water level control = Fail

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Seems rather dumb to me. Forcing a full tub fill for all cycles except the tree hugger Normal. I expect the normal cycle prevents hot water too. Styling it to mimic the look of the coin op is kind of funny...

Why are they so out of touch with what the consumer wants?

Malcolm


Post# 969507 , Reply# 19   11/23/2017 at 07:48 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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so Deep Water gives you a full tub of water....whether you need that much or not....I guess full loads only....that's about the only thing Commercial related to this machine....

do you really believe this is a different platform, built in a whole different section of the factory than any other standard machine?....outside of a coin box, and relabeled, its a copy of a machine they already built...



as mentioned, there's no Auto Sense for water...what happens on the Normal cycle?....

note, the lid does not LOCK during fill/agitation, but does not operate with the lid open....

what about temps?....willing to bet their seriously dubbed down....

just another version of Whirlpool's World washer....











Post# 969510 , Reply# 20   11/23/2017 at 08:16 by agiflow2 ()        

Hey guys.. calm down! The man just got the machine in and will get to testing other cycles. Save your judging until he does a more thorough testing of other cycles with this washer.

It's a start for one with a larger capacity.. and the fact it doesn't do weird balancing acts going into spin is a plus. It fills fairly quickly and drains pretty fast from what we see in the video. These have heavier built cabinets also. If they can give the user more options on coming models that will be a big plus.


Post# 969511 , Reply# 21   11/23/2017 at 08:22 by Imperial70 (******)        

Maybe it only has one water level because it is a commercial washer, meant for the commercial market where they most likely fill the machines?



Post# 969514 , Reply# 22   11/23/2017 at 08:29 by agiflow2 ()        

Good point Imperial70. Even with the lack of a water level control I like this washer. I just hope the power wash cycle can do a true hot water wash. Will save any negative comments until after i can see more cycles with this machine. Heavier built with a 5 year parts and labor warranty. Not too shabby! This is how they should build all Maytag's.



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Post# 969517 , Reply# 23   11/23/2017 at 08:41 by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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I don't think five jeans is all that large of a load.† I can get 7 to 8 pairs in my F&P, although I suppose that depends on the size of them.


Post# 969519 , Reply# 24   11/23/2017 at 09:07 by agiflow2 ()        

It probably could have done well with a few more thrown in I'm sure. Glen didn't you have a video you made some time back of your F&P washing a big load of jeans? Take no offense, but that video put me off to F&P washers at that time. I didn't like the performance at all... lots of thrashing with no turnover.

As long as it cleaned then that is all that matters really.

IDK, but I think these VMW's definitely need the DAA for better circulation whereas Speed Queens flex vane is perfectly adequate for their wash tubs.




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Post# 969520 , Reply# 25   11/23/2017 at 09:12 by Supersurgilator (Indiana)        

I've looked thru the manual online and the Normal cycle is the ONLY one that limits the water temps, all of the deep water cycles will use straight hot water. That is also the only cycle with a spray rinse.
I agree I'm impressed with this machine and how it performs. I just wish it had some water level control to do small loads.


Post# 969521 , Reply# 26   11/23/2017 at 09:29 by agiflow2 ()        

I looked through the online manual also and must have not read it. Cool! If this had auto and manual water levels I would jump on this in a minute.

Post# 969527 , Reply# 27   11/23/2017 at 10:11 by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
upgraded VMW?

sounds like mechanism is upgraded VMW :1/2 HP motor VS 1/3 HP that my VMW cabrio has and a 7-rib drive belt.

Post# 969535 , Reply# 28   11/23/2017 at 10:38 by wft2800 (Leatherhead, Surrey)        

Does this have a proper transmission or just a reversing motor? I'm not sure why Maytag are making this when the commercial world has largely moved to front-loaders, especially this side of the Atlantic.

Post# 969537 , Reply# 29   11/23/2017 at 10:58 by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        
Ten Jeans

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AgiFlow2, yes.† I did a load of ten jeans as a test in my GWL08.† I wouldn't do that under normal usage circumstances.† The service manual describes "Maximum Capacity Profile" that triggers only at high water level on very heavy loads.† It says agitation stops 3 to 6 mins into the wash period and restarts with a noticeably different action.† I wanted to check if I could see that happen, which I didn't.† Anyway, there is rollover.† White pockets and brown tags can be noted appearing at the outside and/or getting pulled down but it's slow and video quality is very poor.† Easier to see by speeding up the playback rate.


Post# 969538 , Reply# 30   11/23/2017 at 11:07 by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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This thread has intrigued me. The new commercial Maytag has many similarities to my Maytag MVWC415EW 3.6 cu ft. TL. Iíve noticed that many are disappointed that there is no water level control or water sensing on this machine to allow for smaller loads. As another member pointed out, this may be due to the fact that its commerical and meant for laundromats., which makes sense.

On my Maytag, using the Deep Water cycle, it will fill to the top if the load is a full load, but otherwise it senses the loads size and fills to a level that covers the load with at least a few inches of water. I primarily use the Deep Water and Powerwash cycles. They both fill with tap hot water, but the Powerwash cycle fills slightly less than the Deep Water cycle. There is a brief spray rinse on both of these cycles before the deep fill rinse.

I have only used the Normal cycle a few times, but it also seemed to do a fine job of cleaning. In my mind these washers strike a happy medium between the excessive water that a traditional TL requires and the inadequate amount that many of the newer FLís use. My machine is just 2 weeks shy of a year old and Iíve experienced no problems during this year.

From the many comments that Iíve read on this thread I really think that many of you would be very happy with this machine, or one of the other new Maytag/Whirlpool TLís.

I donít know how to film a video, and I havenít monkeyed around with the lid lock so I can watch it in action. But when Iíve lifted the lid during wash and rinse cycles Iíve always found the water level to be covering the load and at a hot enough temp. I almost always wash on hot, heavy soil level and each load is finished in about 55-60 mins. And this machine NEVER unbalances, which is a rarity these days. I really enjoy laundry day with this machine.

BTW, out of 6552 reviews, 86% recommend this machine.

Sometimes new technology can actually be good.
Eddie


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Post# 969542 , Reply# 31   11/23/2017 at 11:35 by agiflow2 ()        
wft2800

Because we are not England or Europe. People in the US still want these washers. You have all been conditioned to what you have been using for decades and so have we. Just personal preference.

Post# 969544 , Reply# 32   11/23/2017 at 11:47 by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        
Commercial vs. Home/Residential

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It's aimed at the home user with the "commercial" label/aspect as a marketing strategy.† Maytag's web site (which sucks by the way) describes it as "3.5 Cu. Ft. Commercial-Grade Residential Agitator Washer."

Notice the lid is offset a bit to the left, leaving room at the right side of the top panel for placement of a coin-box for models that are aimed directly at the coin-op market.† Operation is via electronics so they could have included a water level selector on this residential-aimed model with appropriate revision to the control board.

WFT2800, it's of the VMW design, which has a planetary-gear transmission (Kirk in the video refers to "quad-gear transmission") with reversing motor to provide oscillation.† He also says it doesn't have auto load sense ... which brings the question (since there's no water level selector) how does it determine the water level on the Normal cycle which isn't in the Deep Water section of the cycle dial and presumably doesn't always entail a full fill?


Post# 969552 , Reply# 33   11/23/2017 at 12:34 by agiflow2 ()        

My old Maytag Bravo X would spin the dry load when starting... I believe that's when the sensing takes place, and this machine does not spin the dry load. Am really intrigued now how deep the normal fill will be. It would have to be at least half the tub with that agitator design, i would think anyway .. will just have to wait for more videos and see.

Post# 969567 , Reply# 34   11/23/2017 at 15:15 by chetlaham (United States)        

Full fill maybe from the bulky cycle- but we will see.


This might have a 1/2 HP motor now that you mention it. Everything look stronger in this machine. Either that they are maximizing the power from the 1/3 already in there.


Post# 969573 , Reply# 35   11/23/2017 at 15:37 by henene4 (Germany)        
half horse power

As long as it's only a peak power maintained for a short amount of time, a 1/3hp motor should be overdrivable to 1/2hp.

Post# 969577 , Reply# 36   11/23/2017 at 16:01 by chetlaham (United States)        

Lost me there- what do you mean?

Post# 969578 , Reply# 37   11/23/2017 at 16:15 by henene4 (Germany)        

Electric motors can - depending on their design - run at powers higher then their design power.

It does greatly affect longevity, but a 1/3hp motor driven by an inverter (or simmilar basic idea of driving it) can put our peak powers of 1/2hp.
As long as these overdrive situations are kept short (for example just the start of a spin), there is no issue in doing so.


Post# 969581 , Reply# 38   11/23/2017 at 16:32 by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        

1/2 peak HP easy work for most 1/3 HP motors-PSC motor in the VMW machines has a radial fan on top that keeps motor decently cool-I have felt the motor in my cabrio after a long agitation and it was only warm.

Post# 969587 , Reply# 39   11/23/2017 at 18:03 by chetlaham (United States)        

@hene4: Ok- that makes sense now, my bad.

Anyone know what motor these washers use?


Post# 969591 , Reply# 40   11/23/2017 at 18:27 by Supersurgilator (Indiana)        

I'm curious to see how Whirlpool will redesign their machines in the new year. I'm hoping they will be something similar to this. I like their current model but HATE that agitation that it does during the fill, its too rough on clothes. I do like how this one will spin the tub around to wet the load down. It's also a rarity these days to see that spray rinse after the wash cycle. Companies removed that many years ago when the first wave of regulations came into effect, around 2011 or so.

I'm happy that manufactures have realized that they can make a traditional agitator washer with just the normal cycle meeting the guidelines.

As far as laundromats not having toploaders, there are still plenty of them out there. We have 8 laundromats in town, and only 3 are strictly frontloaders. 4 of the others are actually topload heavy, and I frequent sites online and lots of laundromats still have plenty of toploaders around, although usually SpeedQueen's.


Post# 969594 , Reply# 41   11/23/2017 at 19:01 by washerdude (Canada )        

One of the reviews on Maytag's site, the machine does a hot fill when hot is selected.

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Post# 969598 , Reply# 42   11/23/2017 at 19:36 by chetlaham (United States)        
Agitation while filling

Oh GOD! What a horrible way to force people over to HE- or maybe they really are that dumb. And I thought the 4 inch water rinse GE and Ropers did was bad. Dunno, but that is so far away from what a washer should be doing. Manufactures in the past actually made sure the tub was full before agitation- it was hard wired into the machine.

But mark my words: the glory days of America are coming. In the next 8 years there is a good chance we will see plenty more toploaders such as this Maytag. Hot fills, full tubs, DA agitators, immediate spin, 5 year warranty, strong cabinets, porcelain on steal tubs and tops... Hopefully a pressure switch or two ;)


My ultimate fantasy is a Galaxy like BOL with water level control coupled with a 5 year warranty. I think that would be a winner for many folks. Whole line on top of that.


Post# 969599 , Reply# 43   11/23/2017 at 19:45 by chetlaham (United States)        
What comes after F in the following sequnce? A,B,C,D,E,F...

@mark_wpduet: Because thats what the patterns were showing. God awful toys that kept getting worse and worse every year while no hope of energy regs being rolled back. Yes I know folks will argue in the name of energy efficiency, but seriously there is no excuse for slow fills, reduced warrantys, anemic agi, agi while filling, and all the other Bologna.

Post# 969617 , Reply# 44   11/24/2017 at 00:20 by agiflow2 ()        

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Post# 969658 , Reply# 45   11/24/2017 at 11:32 by agiflow2 ()        

Finally went to my appliance dealer and saw this Maytag. They just got the machine in as the lid had tape on it and no sales literature or price on the machine yet. The sales lady was accommodating as she was quick to pull out the shipping brace in the basket to let me look.

I knew more about the product then they did. Figures. The one sales guy said there was a three year parts and labor warranty and I corrected him that there was supposed to be a 5 year parts and labor warranty.


He said.. "oh that was last years model" OK so he knew of last years model but had no idea if these would be available throughout 2018.

Anyway my take on the machine is it does have a beefier cabinet than the Whirlpool agitator model that sat next to it. The machine was not leveled and was light when I rocked it but well put together. I don't know if this is a porcelain coated top or not.. doubt it though as there is nothing in the literature about a porcelain top and lid.

What I don't get about Whirlpool is that they still make porcelain wash baskets...then why can't they make the Maytags with porcelain tops if this is supposed to be their "better built" washers?

I can say though that the steel for the top is more rigid than the one on my Speed Queen... hardly any flex at all on the Maytag.


Whirlpool has the money and know how and resources to build a washer that would knock Speed Queen for a loop. Just wish they would realize that and get hopping on the best washers domestically money can buy.


Post# 969681 , Reply# 46   11/24/2017 at 16:14 by Gyrafoam (Roanoke, VA)        

Thanks for posting this, Patrick. Very interesting and looks very competitive-------especially if SQ shoots itself in the foot with an agitub!

Post# 969682 , Reply# 47   11/24/2017 at 16:20 by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)        
Suspension System

Does this washer have a real suspension system? It looks like it must because it does not sense and redistribute the load before it spins.

Post# 969685 , Reply# 48   11/24/2017 at 16:32 by chetlaham (United States)        

X2 Either that or a real good balance rink. Whirlpool at one point was using large metal ball bearings in their catalyst machines.

Post# 969688 , Reply# 49   11/24/2017 at 16:36 by chetlaham (United States)        

* balance ring


And come on guys, the agitub might work out in the end. ;)


Post# 969696 , Reply# 50   11/24/2017 at 17:29 by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0700 CDT.))        
I've watched the video 2X now:

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The machine LOOKS very well made and the wash action is exactly what a TL should have. I will reserve judgement of this machine VS the new SQ until I see evidence of both build quality and washability in both of these commercial TLs. A preliminary guess would be the SQ is better built but the MT will out wash it. Nice to see that Whirlpool seems to be answering SQ in the market of a Commercial Grade TL. Choice and level playing field competition in business are good things.
WK78


Post# 969710 , Reply# 51   11/24/2017 at 18:14 by agiflow2 ()        

No problem Steve. It will be interesting to see what "Maytag" will have in store for the coming year. Hope this Maytag isn't a one trick pony and that they will offer more models with this kind of warranty to be a real competitor to Speed Queen.

Post# 969738 , Reply# 52   11/24/2017 at 20:10 by Supersurgilator (Indiana)        

Maytag commercial does say this machine has its own manufacturing line at the facility.

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Post# 969760 , Reply# 53   11/24/2017 at 22:25 by agiflow2 ()        

So Whirlpool and Speed Queen both call their single action agitators "flex vane". Very interesting. It's clear Speed Queen sales put a fire under WP's butt.

It's too early to tell but if these Maytag commercial grade washers will be available as they are and already meet the 2018 water use guidelines which assuming they already do, Maytag will have a winner.

2018 will be interesting with Maytag and Speed Queen battling for the best traditional type top load washers. From the video we have seen... my money is on Maytag. Don't think Speed Queen will have this kind of wash action.

The proof is in the pudding.... we shall see what we shall see.


Post# 969767 , Reply# 54   11/24/2017 at 23:57 by washerdude (Canada )        

Its so fascinating to see how the VMW Agitator models have evolved over the years.





Then the dreaded agipeller...




Back to real agitators, but i think we all knew the issue with these models...




Now...



A real hot wash, added durability, excellent agitation and turnover.

Looks like WP is trying to mimic the DD's. The drain and spin sequence (especially the sound of it engaging into spin) to me just shouts out WP DD. I really like how it has faster agitation too...also reminiscent of certain agitation speeds found on WP DD's.


Post# 969771 , Reply# 55   11/25/2017 at 00:26 by agiflow2 ()        

What I find really neat washerdude is that it mimics a DD and BD. How cool is that! Finally WP is finding their way back. This new Maytag is so far the best implementation of the this VMW design. WP is definitely ironing out the kinks.

I may be romanticising a little, but it is like WP is giving a nod to their former major platforms.


Post# 969774 , Reply# 56   11/25/2017 at 00:51 by tolivac (greenville nc)        

NICE-an alternative to the SQ washers.Like the traditional fills and actions.A good possibility for new machine rather than an old one from the swap shops.

Post# 969805 , Reply# 57   11/25/2017 at 05:17 by chetlaham (United States)        

They are evolving forward. At one point you could not even get a deep fill or a classic agi- now it looks like you can get two. Also I think they improved the durability on several drive parts.

Post# 969874 , Reply# 58   11/25/2017 at 13:35 by agiflow2 ()        

... Normal cycle with extra rinse







Post# 969890 , Reply# 59   11/25/2017 at 14:17 by johnrk (Houston)        
The Latest Video

on this washer is supposedly 'small', but the water level is very close to the top of the agitator. Doesn't look like much difference. I'll say that for my SQ 432--small is definitely way less and mini is even less.

Post# 969892 , Reply# 60   11/25/2017 at 14:27 by agiflow2 ()        

The truest low water level I ever saw on a washer was a Norge 20 lb. we had in the 70s and early 80s. Just enough to cove the base of the agitator.



Post# 969898 , Reply# 61   11/25/2017 at 15:04 by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)        
Porcelain Enamel

Porcelain Enamel top and lid. I also like the graphics and knobs. Very plain and straight forward design.

Post# 969899 , Reply# 62   11/25/2017 at 15:07 by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        
Low Water Level

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Post# 969904 , Reply# 63   11/25/2017 at 15:25 by agiflow2 ()        
Dadoes

Now that's LOW!

48bencix...so this residential "commercial" Maytag has a porcelain lid and top? I saw the other commercial models do. I guess if it rolls off the same line as the other commercial machines then I guess it would.

What I would really like to see is the wash action with that single action flex vane with this motor. The flex vane agitator looks very much like what was used in BOL Kenmore DD units. I'll bet it is much more effective in this machine.




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Post# 969908 , Reply# 64   11/25/2017 at 15:34 by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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Kirk is posting a video of it washing just a few shirts and he said the water level is def lower than this last video.

Post# 969909 , Reply# 65   11/25/2017 at 15:37 by agiflow2 ()        

Thanks JoeyPete. Appreciate the heads up

Post# 969911 , Reply# 66   11/25/2017 at 15:39 by washerdude (Canada )        

That agitation gets me every time. Looks like it stayed on fast like agitation with no long slow short strokes during the wash. LOVE IT!

Post# 969912 , Reply# 67   11/25/2017 at 15:41 by washerdude (Canada )        

And not to mention, 2 RINSES with SPINS all in 53 minutes! AMAZING.

Post# 969921 , Reply# 68   11/25/2017 at 16:21 by agiflow2 ()        

That's pretty good for a modern machine on this current platform. I wonder why though it changes agitation profiles? Since this machine doesn't have a sensor... I am curious to know how does it sense to use Lower water in the normal cycle?

This will be very interesting to see how this washer handles different loads. I want to see the power wash cycle. Now they have agitation that is worthy of the "powerwash" name with or without such a cycle.


Post# 969925 , Reply# 69   11/25/2017 at 16:32 by agiflow2 ()        

Whirlpool had to do something. There are generations who purchased their washers and remembered those old reliable top loaders. We can only hope Whirlpool spreads this into their other model lines. Dump those useless wash plate Cabrios and make all the top loaders like this. Probably won't happen but what is life without hope?

Post# 969947 , Reply# 70   11/25/2017 at 17:48 by murando531 (Huntsville, AL)        

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I love that the video of my Whirlpool (the one with the orange fabric softener in the dispenser) has been making its rounds, haha. :P

But I LOVED that 4800 model. Four water level selections that ranged from the top of the lower agitator, to the top of the basket where it's shown here. And no dreaded thrashing while it filled either. It didn't even turn the tub for that matter, just filled, started with about a minute of short strokes to distribute, and then long strokes for the remainder, with short strokes at the end to balance before the spins. And a true rinse that filled to the selected level too. Sometimes I miss the simplicity and ease of use with that machine but it's now serving my aunt well after her '98 Frigidaire finally kicked. I wish I had gotten longer, full cycle videos of that washer while I had the chance.


Post# 969953 , Reply# 71   11/25/2017 at 18:15 by chetlaham (United States)        
Long stroke agitation

I think thats to re-distribute the load before the start of fast stroke washing and before spin.

Post# 969954 , Reply# 72   11/25/2017 at 18:18 by chetlaham (United States)        
Thanks Joey! :)

I'm going to be making popcorn tonight!








Post# 970007 , Reply# 73   11/25/2017 at 23:47 by agiflow2 ()        

Last one for tonight. It does use a lot less water on this load.






Post# 970009 , Reply# 74   11/26/2017 at 00:19 by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

Thank-you for adding the videos, certainly helps to clarify the wash cycles and process. I, too, like to simplicity of the cycle selectors and layout. Always thought less is better. It appears to be a good machine, hope the durability proves to be long lasting. The tub size looks larger than a SQ from what I can tell, looks to wash larger loads than a SQ. I'm hoping this washer would be a good successor to the t/l SQ. I'll be watching comments to see if there would be any fabric damage due to the agitation, and any linting issues. Again, I agree with the comments that Whirlpool had to do something, SQ became a major threat and this is a defensive move.
It's all good though.

Barry


Post# 970014 , Reply# 75   11/26/2017 at 00:46 by agiflow2 ()        

Your welcome Barry. Just wanted to contribute and give a shout out to Kirk Rivas for filming all of these washer videos he is doing! Thank you Kirk!

I don't know if this model has the porcelain top and lid but if it does that to me already puts it ahead of Speed Queen.


I wonder if this washer was the answer to those videos of Speed Queen up against Whirlpool's various impeller machines showing how much better wash action the SQ has over WP. Probably more than likely and the fact that most of the threads I have seen on Speed Queen washers has been overwhelmingly positive.




Pat









Post# 970022 , Reply# 76   11/26/2017 at 03:51 by chetlaham (United States)        

If anyone gets in touch with Kirk tell him his videos are worth gold. I greatly appreciate them and I think even the none washer enthusiasts do as well judging by some of the comments. Its nice to know how your new machine will wash ahead of time, something that no one else does.

Post# 970038 , Reply# 77   11/26/2017 at 07:10 by wishwash (Illinois)        

Given Whirlpool's products over the last few years, I'm impressed! Its good to see them becoming a brand that offers something for everyone again. If they came out with a model similar to this with a more intuitive and attractive control panel, I'd buy one!!



Post# 970042 , Reply# 78   11/26/2017 at 07:18 by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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Yes I'm very impressed too. It would be nice if they did incorporate some of this technology in other washers. But given the price of this machine, I imagine it would be more expensive too. Probably part of the reason they ditched their DD wash system across the board. It was most likely getting more and more expensive to build them and they couldn't really raise the prices that much.

But either way, this machine is def a competitor with SQ.


Post# 970043 , Reply# 79   11/26/2017 at 07:21 by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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On another note...the actual commercial coin operated version of this machine does come in an electronic control panel model with display and buttons. So if this model is successful, perhaps they will offer an electronic version with more options, like soil level selector, etc.

Post# 970045 , Reply# 80   11/26/2017 at 07:51 by agiflow2 ()        

Just commented on that board. I was wondering why on the last rinse the washer agitated at full power? That was the delicate cycle. This is definitely a worthy contender to Speed Queen.

Kirk said in another comment that Maytag was getting their ducks lined up for 2018.Got to ask him what he meant by that. Is Maytag coming out with more models with this kind of wash action and beefed up motor and cabinets? Something to look forward to.

Pat




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Post# 970052 , Reply# 81   11/26/2017 at 08:39 by chetlaham (United States)        
VMW Price

This design is a lot cheaper than DDs, and a lot easier to service both in accessibility and weight. Thus far I have only worked on two VMW washers for friends, and I can tell you hands down these a breeze to work on. Everything is so much lighter and so much more easy to remove/re-install.


Also remember that transmission in DDs is solid poured metal, expensive to make. That and I heard that in the late 2000s Whirlpool needed to re-tool the DD transmission platform because it was cranking out parts that were failing prematurely.

If Whirlpool beefed up their VMW design, it could easily out last the DDs. Far fewer moving parts.


Post# 970053 , Reply# 82   11/26/2017 at 08:40 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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I think the control panel is attractive in the sense that it has a tech look which enhances the commercial aspect of this washer. The price is a bit steep though, it's more than double the price of a high end Direct Drive Whirlpool from a few years ago.

Post# 970061 , Reply# 83   11/26/2017 at 09:15 by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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ChetLaham:† Everything is so much lighter and so much more easy to remove/re-install.
But isn't lightweight-edness a large part of what makes them objectionable, cheap, and no good?† :-)


Post# 970063 , Reply# 84   11/26/2017 at 09:36 by chetlaham (United States)        

Mostly if said light weight breaks or fails prematurely.

Post# 970066 , Reply# 85   11/26/2017 at 09:53 by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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It's just nice to see another simple, heavy duty machine on the market. Seems like the last few years have been so schizophrenic for Whirlpool trying to keep up with DOE mandates and/or consumer preference. Hopefully things will settle down now. This is a great product.

Post# 970076 , Reply# 86   11/26/2017 at 11:02 by washerdude (Canada )        

This machine does seem to be heavier than a Maytag TL which is comparable to this. This machine weighs 159 lbs, the Maytag MVWC416FW comes in at around 144 lbs, a 15 pound difference. Both machines are the same capacity, come with deep fill options and contain some form of agitator.

That spray rinse was interesting. I like how it pulled the water through the clothes then added more water. The spray rinse also seemed familiar...WP resource saver anyone? Those did 6 spray rinses during the spin, this machine, with the limitation of modern restrictions, did 3. Go figure.

Another thing which got me, again the spray rinse. The video had extra rinse off which is why some could argue to why it did not fill up to the top. However the manual *SEEMS* to state otherwise. Nowhere in the manual does it say to select extra rinse if fabric softener is added. In fact, it also clearly states you can add fabric softener manually during the final rinse if preferred. Once again, no mention of turning on extra rinse.

Based off of that, I can only draw one thing. The machine is now smart enough to know how light the load is and realizes that for a load that size, a spray rinse will be enough, but it will also be enough to satisfy testing needs. That's almost a nudge from WP to do heavier, larger loads (to provide better rinsing) in this *commercial* machine to resonate the meaning of commercial...smart.


Post# 970094 , Reply# 87   11/26/2017 at 13:08 by agiflow2 ()        

There is something to be said for the simplicity of this machine. Even if the machine is lighter weight.. BUT made with quality materials and craftsmanship that shouldn't really matter. As chetlaham said, beefing up the components they already have would be a smart move for them.

Whirlpool had two very successful runs with the BD and DD platforms and I don't see why they can't do it with this platform either. The thought of a machine that is lighter in weight and easier to work on and fix and performs the way an agitator top load should would be a win.

That was another thing JoeyPete, it was a shame to see the company that built some of the best top loaders ever go in the space of a decade to building dreck.

I didn't want another WP product after my Bravo X... there was some hope with the VMW agitator machines coming back.. and now this.. we can only hope things at Whirlpool get better and they produce a reliable top loader under this platform that has been around a little while now.

Pat




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Post# 970097 , Reply# 88   11/26/2017 at 13:53 by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)        
Painted Lid

Looks like this model has a painted lid. The coin model has the porcelain enamel top and lid. But you can get that model without the coin box. Also the coin models are smaller, 2.9 cu. ft. Warners Stellian has it for $100 off so the price probably will be less than suggested retail.

Looks a lot like the Whirlpool CAE2795FQ


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Post# 970098 , Reply# 89   11/26/2017 at 14:03 by agiflow2 ()        

Guys is it me or does the porcelain coated wash baskets in the Amana washers and Whirlpools seem smaller than the super capacity direct drives? Yet they claim more capacity that the DD washers which were 3.0-3.2 cf.?

They look smaller and narrower like the early DD washer baskets. I'm getting old.

Pat


Post# 970447 , Reply# 90   11/28/2017 at 18:51 by washerdude (Canada )        

Just gonna leave this here..






Post# 970470 , Reply# 91   11/28/2017 at 21:20 by agiflow2 ()        

No wonder the cabinet had to be heavier ! 😛

Post# 970475 , Reply# 92   11/28/2017 at 21:42 by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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That spin cycle video is impressive. I have to say that my Maytag is the best at balancing a load of any washer Iíve ever owned. I have a heavy waffle weave cotton outter shower curtain, a nylon liner, heavy woven cotton bathmat and a rubbermaid tub mat, that once a month I wash all together in one load. The only time my washer has gone out balance was the first time I washed this load. I stopped it, rearranged the rubber mat, restarted and finished the spin. But since the one time, everytime I wash this same load the washer goes into a smooth spin without hesitation. The suspension must really be good.

I havenít tried the phone book trick, but it wouldnít surprise me if my Maytag handled it the same way.

Eddie


Post# 970615 , Reply# 93   11/29/2017 at 13:15 by wishwash (Illinois)        

Its definitely apparent that the cabinet is of better construction in these machines. I have an older VMW and when the outer tub smacks against the cabinet in an out of balance load the sheet metal cabinet flexes. It sounds like a drum. These new ones are solid!

Post# 970653 , Reply# 94   11/29/2017 at 16:32 by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        
These seem to be nice machines

I was the one who requested the mop and phone book tests. I wondered if they beefed up the suspension to match everything else. I am impressed with the washing action, seems as or even more vigorous than 210 degree flex vane agitation on an SQ. WP has certainly took notice of SQ.

What happened to Pat(agiflow2)?


Post# 971035 , Reply# 95   12/1/2017 at 22:10 by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        
Really great and interesting machine

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It's almost like somebody at Whirlpool was told to make a washer as close to the old DD design as possible on the new platform. Bet that was a lot of fun if the right person got the assignment.

The only minor criticisms I can think of are the fixed water level for most cycles and the obvious bug in using fast agitation on the 2nd rinse of the delicate cycle.

 

But there is so much to like. The presoak option on any cycle is perfect given that modern enzyme detergents need longer to work.

 

Does anybody know how much bigger this tub is compared to the old DD? 

 

My biggest issue would be paying $800+ (plus tax) for one of these given how many great used DDs are being sold on Craigslist for $150 or even less.

There are some more videos from Kirk Rivas on YouTube showing the underside lid instructions and the the front service panel removed.



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Post# 971078 , Reply# 96   12/2/2017 at 05:55 by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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We just returned from a trip to New Orleans.  The Hotel we usually stay at had orbital Maytags last year in the guest laundry.  Now they have new "Maytag" (insert sarcasm) machines.  I had to wash a small load of jeans and I must say I am NOT impressed.


Post# 971082 , Reply# 97   12/2/2017 at 06:10 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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Strangest thing on the inside of the lid is: "No washer can completely remove oil".

Post# 971094 , Reply# 98   12/2/2017 at 07:08 by Magic_Clean (Florida)        
Regarding the 'oil' statement

Google spontaneous combustion and clothes dryers

Post# 971098 , Reply# 99   12/2/2017 at 07:14 by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)        
They are right about the oil

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A spontaneous combustion fire just happened near me this past week.

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Post# 971104 , Reply# 100   12/2/2017 at 08:00 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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Yes, oil and clothes dryers are a problem. But I have never had a problem removing oil stains in a washer.

Post# 971113 , Reply# 101   12/2/2017 at 09:51 by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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I routinely wash clothes used to clean up after ďpersonalĒ activities where petroleum based products have been used, (weíre old school). I can attest to the fact that the vaseline comes (no pun intended) out in the wash using Tide of Persil in my Maytag Cenntenial, with no traces of the vaseline left behind.

Maybe Iím just living right, but I donít have any problems getting oil out in the wash.
Eddie



Post# 971231 , Reply# 102   12/3/2017 at 07:05 by chetlaham (United States)        
I love life! :)

New video :)







Post# 971239 , Reply# 103   12/3/2017 at 08:30 by appnut (TX)        

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I think it's stupid it won't spin and spray at the same time.  Maybe with thee weight of fabrics, that inertia will keep the tub rotating longer so it's rotating some when it begins spraying again. 


Post# 971247 , Reply# 104   12/3/2017 at 08:59 by chetlaham (United States)        

I would say so, but I would have at least included logic that uses the speed sensor to pulse the motor so the tub can get up to a slow speed or rotation. Also, on a full load I hope it does a few extra spray rinses.

Post# 971265 , Reply# 105   12/3/2017 at 11:27 by Johnb300m (Chicago)        

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Off topic....

WHAT. ON. EARTH.......is Kirk's water bill?
LOL! jeez.


Post# 971269 , Reply# 106   12/3/2017 at 11:36 by WP-Dude22 (Trinidad and Tobago )        

Fianlly WP fixed the VMW washers ...
i love that it behaves like both the early VMW's with the 180 degree stroke and 90 degree fast stroke of the DD.

normal cycle it sticks to the 90 degree stroke completely.
On cycles with deep water uses 90 degree stroke for 3 to 6 minutes before seamlessly going right into the 180 degree stroke. it also alternates between 90 and 180 degree strokes on deep water wash cycles which is a nice touch.

love that it kicks right into spin from drain just not sure if it goes from low speed spin to high one time. the VMW washers would ramp to low spin then stop completely before going into high speed spin.

i would rather WP do spin profiles for the consumer version have 3 speeds and do like GE kicks into spin a really low spin for about a munute then ramp up to med for a set time then spend most of it time on high or final spin speed for the cycle.

I can see these design tricking down the consumer WP and Maytag lineup i just hope the agitator on the WP line up get a blended design of original cabrio agitator(in the attached pic) and this one in the maytag.



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