Thread Number: 73403
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
New Maytag commercial top load washer video. |
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Post# 969424   11/22/2017 at 16:51 (2,318 days old) by agiflow2 ()   |   | |
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Here you go folks. Enjoy! Thanks to Kirk Rivas for filming this washer! The wash tub looks nice and wide. This post was last edited 11/22/2017 at 18:46 |
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Post# 969429 , Reply# 1   11/22/2017 at 18:25 (2,318 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 969436 , Reply# 3   11/22/2017 at 19:03 (2,318 days old) by johnrk (BP TX)   |   | |
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Using water to wash clothes! Maybe it'll start a trend... |
Post# 969437 , Reply# 4   11/22/2017 at 19:04 (2,318 days old) by washerdude (Canada )   |   | |
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Seems to be a no BS top loader. Cuts right into the next cycle with no stupid sensing spins. Me Like! Not the mention that aggressive agitation! |
Post# 969458 , Reply# 7   11/22/2017 at 21:27 (2,317 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 969463 , Reply# 9   11/22/2017 at 21:51 (2,317 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Not only that- the thing goes right into spin. And I really like that the spray rinse is at the end of the first spin- flushes out the remaining suds water from the drain house and pump- makes me wonder why no one did this earlier. And is it me or does this thing drain faster to?
Yes- I am also sold! Mark my words, things will only get better with Trump! |
Post# 969464 , Reply# 10   11/22/2017 at 21:58 (2,317 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 969467 , Reply# 12   11/22/2017 at 22:17 (2,317 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Finally- its happening. Knowing manufactures first try the boldest moves on their TOLs, there is a good chance this could move its way down to the Amanas. At least its a wish. They are going to win many people over this way.
All in all SQ is still the way to go as I think those will outlast the DDs. |
Post# 969482 , Reply# 14   11/23/2017 at 01:17 (2,317 days old) by Mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)   |   | |
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Very interesting. 3.6 cubic feet. It's about the same size as SQ, maybe a little larger. Stainless steel tub and decent warranty. Definitely feel that Whirlpool has taken serious notice of SQ. I wonder if it has a lint filter. Barry |
Post# 969496 , Reply# 15   11/23/2017 at 06:11 (2,317 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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And for years people have said things would only get worse. This is just like an OLD 80s/90s/2000s Whirlpool Kenmore dual action TLer. The only DUMB thing I see is that there is no water level setting - low, med, high, Ex Large. What were they thinking leaving that out? They got everything else right.
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Post# 969499 , Reply# 16   11/23/2017 at 06:22 (2,317 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 969500 , Reply# 17   11/23/2017 at 06:42 (2,317 days old) by agiflow2 ()   |   | |
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Maybe they will work that out in future models. One can only hope. |
Post# 969502 , Reply# 18   11/23/2017 at 07:00 (2,317 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 969507 , Reply# 19   11/23/2017 at 07:48 (2,317 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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so Deep Water gives you a full tub of water....whether you need that much or not....I guess full loads only....that's about the only thing Commercial related to this machine....
do you really believe this is a different platform, built in a whole different section of the factory than any other standard machine?....outside of a coin box, and relabeled, its a copy of a machine they already built... as mentioned, there's no Auto Sense for water...what happens on the Normal cycle?.... note, the lid does not LOCK during fill/agitation, but does not operate with the lid open.... what about temps?....willing to bet their seriously dubbed down.... just another version of Whirlpool's World washer.... |
Post# 969511 , Reply# 21   11/23/2017 at 08:22 (2,317 days old) by Imperial70 (MA USA)   |   | |
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Maybe it only has one water level because it is a commercial washer, meant for the commercial market where they most likely fill the machines? |
Post# 969517 , Reply# 23   11/23/2017 at 08:41 (2,317 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 969521 , Reply# 26   11/23/2017 at 09:29 (2,317 days old) by agiflow2 ()   |   | |
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I looked through the online manual also and must have not read it. Cool! If this had auto and manual water levels I would jump on this in a minute. |
Post# 969527 , Reply# 27   11/23/2017 at 10:11 (2,317 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)   |   | |
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sounds like mechanism is upgraded VMW :1/2 HP motor VS 1/3 HP that my VMW cabrio has and a 7-rib drive belt. |
Post# 969535 , Reply# 28   11/23/2017 at 10:38 (2,317 days old) by wft2800 (Leatherhead, Surrey)   |   | |
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Does this have a proper transmission or just a reversing motor? I'm not sure why Maytag are making this when the commercial world has largely moved to front-loaders, especially this side of the Atlantic. |
Post# 969537 , Reply# 29   11/23/2017 at 10:58 (2,317 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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AgiFlow2, yes. I did a load of ten jeans as a test in my GWL08. I wouldn't do that under normal usage circumstances. The service manual describes "Maximum Capacity Profile" that triggers only at high water level on very heavy loads. It says agitation stops 3 to 6 mins into the wash period and restarts with a noticeably different action. I wanted to check if I could see that happen, which I didn't. Anyway, there is rollover. White pockets and brown tags can be noted appearing at the outside and/or getting pulled down but it's slow and video quality is very poor. Easier to see by speeding up the playback rate. |
Post# 969538 , Reply# 30   11/23/2017 at 11:07 (2,317 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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This thread has intrigued me. The new commercial Maytag has many similarities to my Maytag MVWC415EW 3.6 cu ft. TL. I’ve noticed that many are disappointed that there is no water level control or water sensing on this machine to allow for smaller loads. As another member pointed out, this may be due to the fact that its commerical and meant for laundromats., which makes sense.
On my Maytag, using the Deep Water cycle, it will fill to the top if the load is a full load, but otherwise it senses the loads size and fills to a level that covers the load with at least a few inches of water. I primarily use the Deep Water and Powerwash cycles. They both fill with tap hot water, but the Powerwash cycle fills slightly less than the Deep Water cycle. There is a brief spray rinse on both of these cycles before the deep fill rinse. I have only used the Normal cycle a few times, but it also seemed to do a fine job of cleaning. In my mind these washers strike a happy medium between the excessive water that a traditional TL requires and the inadequate amount that many of the newer FL’s use. My machine is just 2 weeks shy of a year old and I’ve experienced no problems during this year. From the many comments that I’ve read on this thread I really think that many of you would be very happy with this machine, or one of the other new Maytag/Whirlpool TL’s. I don’t know how to film a video, and I haven’t monkeyed around with the lid lock so I can watch it in action. But when I’ve lifted the lid during wash and rinse cycles I’ve always found the water level to be covering the load and at a hot enough temp. I almost always wash on hot, heavy soil level and each load is finished in about 55-60 mins. And this machine NEVER unbalances, which is a rarity these days. I really enjoy laundry day with this machine. BTW, out of 6552 reviews, 86% recommend this machine. Sometimes new technology can actually be good. Eddie CLICK HERE TO GO TO ea56's LINK This post was last edited 11/23/2017 at 13:44 |
Post# 969542 , Reply# 31   11/23/2017 at 11:35 (2,317 days old) by agiflow2 ()   |   | |
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Because we are not England or Europe. People in the US still want these washers. You have all been conditioned to what you have been using for decades and so have we. Just personal preference. |
Post# 969544 , Reply# 32   11/23/2017 at 11:47 (2,317 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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It's aimed at the home user with the "commercial" label/aspect as a marketing strategy. Maytag's web site (which sucks by the way) describes it as "3.5 Cu. Ft. Commercial-Grade Residential Agitator Washer." Notice the lid is offset a bit to the left, leaving room at the right side of the top panel for placement of a coin-box for models that are aimed directly at the coin-op market. Operation is via electronics so they could have included a water level selector on this residential-aimed model with appropriate revision to the control board. WFT2800, it's of the VMW design, which has a planetary-gear transmission (Kirk in the video refers to "quad-gear transmission") with reversing motor to provide oscillation. He also says it doesn't have auto load sense ... which brings the question (since there's no water level selector) how does it determine the water level on the Normal cycle which isn't in the Deep Water section of the cycle dial and presumably doesn't always entail a full fill? |
Post# 969567 , Reply# 34   11/23/2017 at 15:15 (2,317 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 969573 , Reply# 35   11/23/2017 at 15:37 (2,317 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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As long as it's only a peak power maintained for a short amount of time, a 1/3hp motor should be overdrivable to 1/2hp. |
Post# 969577 , Reply# 36   11/23/2017 at 16:01 (2,317 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 969581 , Reply# 38   11/23/2017 at 16:32 (2,317 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)   |   | |
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1/2 peak HP easy work for most 1/3 HP motors-PSC motor in the VMW machines has a radial fan on top that keeps motor decently cool-I have felt the motor in my cabrio after a long agitation and it was only warm. |
Post# 969587 , Reply# 39   11/23/2017 at 18:03 (2,317 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 969594 , Reply# 41   11/23/2017 at 19:01 (2,317 days old) by washerdude (Canada )   |   | |
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One of the reviews on Maytag's site, the machine does a hot fill when hot is selected. CLICK HERE TO GO TO washerdude's LINK |
Post# 969598 , Reply# 42   11/23/2017 at 19:36 (2,316 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Oh GOD! What a horrible way to force people over to HE- or maybe they really are that dumb. And I thought the 4 inch water rinse GE and Ropers did was bad. Dunno, but that is so far away from what a washer should be doing. Manufactures in the past actually made sure the tub was full before agitation- it was hard wired into the machine.
But mark my words: the glory days of America are coming. In the next 8 years there is a good chance we will see plenty more toploaders such as this Maytag. Hot fills, full tubs, DA agitators, immediate spin, 5 year warranty, strong cabinets, porcelain on steal tubs and tops... Hopefully a pressure switch or two ;) My ultimate fantasy is a Galaxy like BOL with water level control coupled with a 5 year warranty. I think that would be a winner for many folks. Whole line on top of that. |
Post# 969599 , Reply# 43   11/23/2017 at 19:45 (2,316 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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@mark_wpduet: Because thats what the patterns were showing. God awful toys that kept getting worse and worse every year while no hope of energy regs being rolled back. Yes I know folks will argue in the name of energy efficiency, but seriously there is no excuse for slow fills, reduced warrantys, anemic agi, agi while filling, and all the other Bologna.
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Post# 969617 , Reply# 44   11/24/2017 at 00:20 (2,316 days old) by agiflow2 ()   |   | |
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Post# 969681 , Reply# 46   11/24/2017 at 16:14 (2,316 days old) by Gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)   |   | |
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Thanks for posting this, Patrick. Very interesting and looks very competitive-------especially if SQ shoots itself in the foot with an agitub! |
Post# 969682 , Reply# 47   11/24/2017 at 16:20 (2,316 days old) by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)   |   | |
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Does this washer have a real suspension system? It looks like it must because it does not sense and redistribute the load before it spins. |
Post# 969685 , Reply# 48   11/24/2017 at 16:32 (2,316 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 969688 , Reply# 49   11/24/2017 at 16:36 (2,316 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 969696 , Reply# 50   11/24/2017 at 17:29 (2,316 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))   |   | |
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The machine LOOKS very well made and the wash action is exactly what a TL should have. I will reserve judgement of this machine VS the new SQ until I see evidence of both build quality and washability in both of these commercial TLs. A preliminary guess would be the SQ is better built but the MT will out wash it. Nice to see that Whirlpool seems to be answering SQ in the market of a Commercial Grade TL. Choice and level playing field competition in business are good things.
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Post# 969738 , Reply# 52   11/24/2017 at 20:10 (2,315 days old) by Supersurgilator (Indiana)   |   | |
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Maytag commercial does say this machine has its own manufacturing line at the facility. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Supersurgilator's LINK |
Post# 969774 , Reply# 56   11/25/2017 at 00:51 (2,315 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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NICE-an alternative to the SQ washers.Like the traditional fills and actions.A good possibility for new machine rather than an old one from the swap shops. |
Post# 969805 , Reply# 57   11/25/2017 at 05:17 (2,315 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 969874 , Reply# 58   11/25/2017 at 13:35 (2,315 days old) by agiflow2 ()   |   | |
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... Normal cycle with extra rinse |
Post# 969890 , Reply# 59   11/25/2017 at 14:17 (2,315 days old) by johnrk (BP TX)   |   | |
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on this washer is supposedly 'small', but the water level is very close to the top of the agitator. Doesn't look like much difference. I'll say that for my SQ 432--small is definitely way less and mini is even less. |
Post# 969892 , Reply# 60   11/25/2017 at 14:27 (2,315 days old) by agiflow2 ()   |   | |
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The truest low water level I ever saw on a washer was a Norge 20 lb. we had in the 70s and early 80s. Just enough to cove the base of the agitator. |
Post# 969898 , Reply# 61   11/25/2017 at 15:04 (2,315 days old) by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)   |   | |
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Porcelain Enamel top and lid. I also like the graphics and knobs. Very plain and straight forward design. |
Post# 969899 , Reply# 62   11/25/2017 at 15:07 (2,315 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 969908 , Reply# 64   11/25/2017 at 15:34 (2,315 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)   |   | |
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Post# 969909 , Reply# 65   11/25/2017 at 15:37 (2,315 days old) by agiflow2 ()   |   | |
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Thanks JoeyPete. Appreciate the heads up |
Post# 969911 , Reply# 66   11/25/2017 at 15:39 (2,315 days old) by washerdude (Canada )   |   | |
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That agitation gets me every time. Looks like it stayed on fast like agitation with no long slow short strokes during the wash. LOVE IT! |
Post# 969912 , Reply# 67   11/25/2017 at 15:41 (2,315 days old) by washerdude (Canada )   |   | |
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And not to mention, 2 RINSES with SPINS all in 53 minutes! AMAZING. |
Post# 969947 , Reply# 70   11/25/2017 at 17:48 (2,315 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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I love that the video of my Whirlpool (the one with the orange fabric softener in the dispenser) has been making its rounds, haha. :P
But I LOVED that 4800 model. Four water level selections that ranged from the top of the lower agitator, to the top of the basket where it's shown here. And no dreaded thrashing while it filled either. It didn't even turn the tub for that matter, just filled, started with about a minute of short strokes to distribute, and then long strokes for the remainder, with short strokes at the end to balance before the spins. And a true rinse that filled to the selected level too. Sometimes I miss the simplicity and ease of use with that machine but it's now serving my aunt well after her '98 Frigidaire finally kicked. I wish I had gotten longer, full cycle videos of that washer while I had the chance. |
Post# 969953 , Reply# 71   11/25/2017 at 18:15 (2,315 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 969954 , Reply# 72   11/25/2017 at 18:18 (2,315 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 970007 , Reply# 73   11/25/2017 at 23:47 (2,314 days old) by agiflow2 ()   |   | |
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Last one for tonight. It does use a lot less water on this load. |
Post# 970022 , Reply# 76   11/26/2017 at 03:51 (2,314 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 970042 , Reply# 78   11/26/2017 at 07:18 (2,314 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)   |   | |
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Yes I'm very impressed too. It would be nice if they did incorporate some of this technology in other washers. But given the price of this machine, I imagine it would be more expensive too. Probably part of the reason they ditched their DD wash system across the board. It was most likely getting more and more expensive to build them and they couldn't really raise the prices that much.
But either way, this machine is def a competitor with SQ. |
Post# 970043 , Reply# 79   11/26/2017 at 07:21 (2,314 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)   |   | |
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Post# 970052 , Reply# 81   11/26/2017 at 08:39 (2,314 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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This design is a lot cheaper than DDs, and a lot easier to service both in accessibility and weight. Thus far I have only worked on two VMW washers for friends, and I can tell you hands down these a breeze to work on. Everything is so much lighter and so much more easy to remove/re-install.
Also remember that transmission in DDs is solid poured metal, expensive to make. That and I heard that in the late 2000s Whirlpool needed to re-tool the DD transmission platform because it was cranking out parts that were failing prematurely. If Whirlpool beefed up their VMW design, it could easily out last the DDs. Far fewer moving parts. |
Post# 970053 , Reply# 82   11/26/2017 at 08:40 (2,314 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 970061 , Reply# 83   11/26/2017 at 09:15 (2,314 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 970063 , Reply# 84   11/26/2017 at 09:36 (2,314 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 970066 , Reply# 85   11/26/2017 at 09:53 (2,314 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)   |   | |
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Post# 970447 , Reply# 90   11/28/2017 at 18:51 (2,312 days old) by washerdude (Canada )   |   | |
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Just gonna leave this here.. |
Post# 970470 , Reply# 91   11/28/2017 at 21:20 (2,311 days old) by agiflow2 ()   |   | |
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No wonder the cabinet had to be heavier ! 😛 |
Post# 970475 , Reply# 92   11/28/2017 at 21:42 (2,311 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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That spin cycle video is impressive. I have to say that my Maytag is the best at balancing a load of any washer I’ve ever owned. I have a heavy waffle weave cotton outter shower curtain, a nylon liner, heavy woven cotton bathmat and a rubbermaid tub mat, that once a month I wash all together in one load. The only time my washer has gone out balance was the first time I washed this load. I stopped it, rearranged the rubber mat, restarted and finished the spin. But since the one time, everytime I wash this same load the washer goes into a smooth spin without hesitation. The suspension must really be good.
I haven’t tried the phone book trick, but it wouldn’t surprise me if my Maytag handled it the same way. Eddie |
Post# 970653 , Reply# 94   11/29/2017 at 16:32 (2,311 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit)   |   | |
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I was the one who requested the mop and phone book tests. I wondered if they beefed up the suspension to match everything else. I am impressed with the washing action, seems as or even more vigorous than 210 degree flex vane agitation on an SQ. WP has certainly took notice of SQ.
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Post# 971035 , Reply# 95   12/1/2017 at 22:10 (2,308 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)   |   | |
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It's almost like somebody at Whirlpool was told to make a washer as close to the old DD design as possible on the new platform. Bet that was a lot of fun if the right person got the assignment.
But there is so much to like. The presoak option on any cycle is perfect given that modern enzyme detergents need longer to work.
Does anybody know how much bigger this tub is compared to the old DD?
My biggest issue would be paying $800+ (plus tax) for one of these given how many great used DDs are being sold on Craigslist for $150 or even less. CLICK HERE TO GO TO IowaBear's LINK |
Post# 971078 , Reply# 96   12/2/2017 at 05:55 (2,308 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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Post# 971082 , Reply# 97   12/2/2017 at 06:10 (2,308 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 971094 , Reply# 98   12/2/2017 at 07:08 (2,308 days old) by Magic_Clean (Florida)   |   | |
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Google spontaneous combustion and clothes dryers |
Post# 971098 , Reply# 99   12/2/2017 at 07:14 (2,308 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)   |   | |
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A spontaneous combustion fire just happened near me this past week.
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Post# 971104 , Reply# 100   12/2/2017 at 08:00 (2,308 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 971113 , Reply# 101   12/2/2017 at 09:51 (2,308 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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I routinely wash clothes used to clean up after “personal” activities where petroleum based products have been used, (we’re old school). I can attest to the fact that the vaseline comes (no pun intended) out in the wash using Tide of Persil in my Maytag Cenntenial, with no traces of the vaseline left behind.
Maybe I’m just living right, but I don’t have any problems getting oil out in the wash. Eddie |
Post# 971231 , Reply# 102   12/3/2017 at 07:05 (2,307 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 974960 , Reply# 107   12/22/2017 at 02:14 (2,288 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 974962 , Reply# 108   12/22/2017 at 03:38 (2,288 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Post# 975133 , Reply# 109   12/23/2017 at 09:38 (2,287 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)   |   | |
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I really can't think of a better use of the Maytag brand. Hope this machine sells well and drives people to the local appliance shops who need something to offer that Home Depot and Lowe's do not.
The only real competition for this machine is the used DD market, where great machines are always available for a song. |
Post# 975138 , Reply# 110   12/23/2017 at 10:04 (2,287 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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I am glad they are fighting back against SQ and I think they may have won when you compare the performance of this washer to the new SQ TL machines.
Now I do think that the SQs will e far longer lived and reliable, but the cleaning performance will be better on these VMW washers, unfortunately they still won't wash as large a load as the DD WPs because of the lack of a tub break. As soon as we get a NEW SQ TL in we will do a cleaning performance test of both the new SQ and this MT machine and as a control we will also run the same tests in the greatest TL washer ever built, an approximately 15-20 YO WP built DD washer. If anyone would like to visit to witness and assist with the testing get in touch. John L. |
Post# 975308 , Reply# 113   12/24/2017 at 11:35 (2,286 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)   |   | |
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Interesting they are calling this washer "Commercial for the Home" and in the dishwasher line they are offering "Heritage" models with more sound insulation and upgraded parts for a slightly higher price. For example MDB4949SD is the one at box stores and MDB7949SD is the more expensive one ($50 more) that looks to be available at smaller dealers. Look almost identical except the more expensive one is 47db vs 50db and the claimed upgraded parts.
Just glad to see Whirlpool giving people a choice of appliance types. With all the brands they now own they might as well make meaningful differences and I would do just what they are doing, making Maytag the "old school" premium brand (and priced accordingly.) I can't wait to see John L's tests of this VMW in DD clothing.
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Post# 975312 , Reply# 114   12/24/2017 at 12:11 (2,286 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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Post# 975319 , Reply# 115   12/24/2017 at 13:54 (2,286 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit)   |   | |
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Post# 975423 , Reply# 117   12/25/2017 at 08:29 (2,285 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)   |   | |
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Still around on the web archive. Good videos too, although not as fun and corny as the Maytag one.
I also thought about buying one of these when I was looking at the Neptune.
Both were made in Iowa, the Electrolux one in Webster City. Electrolux closed the Webster City factory in 2011. CLICK HERE TO GO TO IowaBear's LINK |
Post# 975436 , Reply# 118   12/25/2017 at 09:34 (2,285 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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Post# 975437 , Reply# 119   12/25/2017 at 09:43 (2,285 days old) by electronicontrl (Grand Rapids, MI)   |   | |
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Post# 977170 , Reply# 121   1/6/2018 at 16:22 (2,273 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)   |   | |
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Is this able to disabled? Its my understanding it only locks on spin but machine pauses during wash when lid is opened. Is there a workaround? You know us fanatics that would never do.... |
Post# 977196 , Reply# 123   1/6/2018 at 19:44 (2,272 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)   |   | |
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I am considering buying the machine but have to be able to watch. Your suggestion is a viable solution. Thanks so much. |
Post# 977537 , Reply# 125   1/8/2018 at 21:20 (2,270 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))   |   | |
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Post# 977541 , Reply# 126   1/8/2018 at 22:01 (2,270 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 978899 , Reply# 127   1/18/2018 at 21:08 (2,260 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)   |   | |
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Dianam I would love to hear your thoughts on it. You have been using it for a while. |
Post# 978923 , Reply# 128   1/19/2018 at 01:24 (2,260 days old) by Spinmon (st. charles mo )   |   | |
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Would love a good look at the ''undercarriage'' of the 'Tag. Very interesting machine from topside. |
Post# 979027 , Reply# 130   1/19/2018 at 15:13 (2,260 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit)   |   | |
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Post# 979075 , Reply# 131   1/19/2018 at 22:49 (2,259 days old) by Dylanmitchell (Southern California)   |   | |
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Post# 979086 , Reply# 132   1/19/2018 at 23:42 (2,259 days old) by wft2800 (Leatherhead, Surrey)   |   | |
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Some Mieles had full-width decor doors with either a glass or solid plastic bowl behind. |
Post# 986983 , Reply# 135   3/17/2018 at 11:37 (2,203 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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I'd take the new speed queen over this commercial after what I saw! Maytag will never ever, ever, ever be on Speed Queen's level, EVER!!!! I know I will get beaten up by agitators for saying that, but that's just my opinion! CLICK HERE TO GO TO GELaundry4ever's LINK |
Post# 986985 , Reply# 136   3/17/2018 at 11:53 (2,203 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)   |   | |
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I'm sorry to hear of the problems, this looks like such a great machine. That's always the risk of buying new models...bugs in the production line and/or software.
Maybe they can swap it for another one before you give up on it. I would agree that for a machine of that price you shouldn't need to be unplugging it on a regular basis to "reboot" it. |
Post# 987035 , Reply# 138   3/17/2018 at 17:32 (2,203 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 987041 , Reply# 139   3/17/2018 at 18:55 (2,203 days old) by stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)   |   | |
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Post# 987047 , Reply# 140   3/17/2018 at 19:24 (2,203 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)   |   | |
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Thank you for responding. You contribute a ton of valuable information to the forum. |
Post# 987048 , Reply# 141   3/17/2018 at 19:27 (2,203 days old) by john76 (USA)   |   | |
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I was at Young’s Appliances in Glen Ellyn this week and they still have several 2017 SQ models available. I like being able to select your water level. |
Post# 987053 , Reply# 142   3/17/2018 at 19:53 (2,203 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)   |   | |
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I wasn't aware that they carried them, that's almost in my backyard. Now the dilemma is whether to try one more of the Maytag's with the hope that this experience was a fluke or tell them to keep it and go back to speed queen. Thanks so much for letting me know. |
Post# 987058 , Reply# 143   3/17/2018 at 20:38 (2,202 days old) by john76 (USA)   |   | |
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The experience with the Maytag gives you an out, I’d opt for the SQ! |
Post# 987109 , Reply# 144   3/18/2018 at 07:52 (2,202 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Hi Scott, Sorry you are having problems with your new MT TL washer, It does sound like it should be serviced or possibility replaced.
Keep in mind this is not a new design machine in any way, WP has been building several Commercial Heavy Duty versions of this VMW washer since 2010, this Maytag does not employ any new technology.
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Post# 987127 , Reply# 146   3/18/2018 at 12:47 (2,202 days old) by stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)   |   | |
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Well at least you CAN have the machine replaced to help restore lost faith in the device. With SQ that is not possible. You WILL have to work through any and all defects no matter how numerous and concerning, think repeated burning smell from crap electronics, and live on with a washer you will never trust not to leave you hanging at the worst possible time...all the while paying a premium price for "durability" as the final insult to injury. |
Post# 987159 , Reply# 148   3/18/2018 at 17:00 (2,202 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)   |   | |
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Yeah - I decided a long time ago the higher-end didn't mean higher quality. Just more bling and stuff to go wrong, either out-of-the-box or later down the line.
It wouldn't surprise me if the $299 Amana that Whirlpool sells has the highest initial quality just because there are so many of them coming off the line. |
Post# 988148 , Reply# 150   3/25/2018 at 20:03 (2,195 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 989234 , Reply# 153   4/2/2018 at 21:14 (2,186 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)   |   | |
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Scott, You can still buy the regular Speed Queen top loader or get a Fisher & Paykel. For a top loader F&P is a very good choice still. |
Post# 989352 , Reply# 154   4/3/2018 at 20:43 (2,185 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)   |   | |
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I'm sticking with what I have unless something goes wrong with this one. I am completely satisfied with the performance. The turnover with this washer is truly excellent. Its every bit as good if not better than what I recall with the DD units I owned at one point. |
Post# 989363 , Reply# 155   4/3/2018 at 22:04 (2,185 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)   |   | |
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Post# 989482 , Reply# 156   4/4/2018 at 20:25 (2,184 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)   |   | |
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I don't do a ton of laundry and its only on the weekend... |
Post# 991463 , Reply# 159   4/19/2018 at 21:30 (2,169 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)   |   | |
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Post# 991473 , Reply# 160   4/19/2018 at 22:05 (2,169 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )   |   | |
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And customers are happy with them. |
Post# 991928 , Reply# 161   4/23/2018 at 23:42 (2,165 days old) by Spinmon (st. charles mo )   |   | |
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Does the Maytag have a slower wash speed and/or reduced agitator arc on ''delicate''? |
Post# 991955 , Reply# 162   4/24/2018 at 10:03 (2,165 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)   |   | |
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Yes, the agitation and spin speed is slower than on the other cycles. I think the "arc" is the same. |
Post# 992029 , Reply# 163   4/24/2018 at 22:28 (2,164 days old) by Spinmon (st. charles mo )   |   | |
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Thank you for all the information! |
Post# 1065885 , Reply# 166   4/4/2020 at 13:52 (1,454 days old) by stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)   |   | |
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Post# 1065965 , Reply# 167   4/4/2020 at 20:47 (1,453 days old) by patcherd2 (NJ)   |   | |
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Thanks for the video. Really curious as to what has changed. Looks just like the last model. |
Post# 1067575 , Reply# 169   4/16/2020 at 07:31 (1,442 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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I have not seen any such machines, All the GEs we are seeing have a belt.
There is no way to assume [ or statistical evidence ] that these MT commercial machines are going to outlast any other TL washer except SQs , in fact I hate to admit it but the evidence points to LG as being the current longest lived TL washer, although I am sure that either style TL SQ will far outlast the LGs.
The MT [ so called ] CTL washer is based on a cheap to build throw away design, just putting a better seal in it will not make it a 15-25 year design, the heaver motor and belt are just sales hype, we have never seen a bad belt or motor in the cheaper versions.
You still have cheap crappy, lid-switch-lock, expensive inlet valve assembly, poor grade control board, cheap suspension struts, flimsy cabinet with lots of areas that will rust. No self-leveling rear legs so the MT can easily become unlevel and shake itself apart.
When you start out with an economy design it is just not going to ever be compatible to a machine that started out as a commercial Coin-Op machine.
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Post# 1067609 , Reply# 172   4/16/2020 at 12:18 (1,442 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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PinkPower4: The SQ has a belt too???I'm not clear on the source of your comment as there's no mention in this thread of Speed Queen and belts ... but yes, all Speed Queen toploaders have a belt. The newer TR "agitub" models are belt-drive. Surely in your research you've seen vids on YouTube that show the mechanism? The TC "classic" model is belt-drive. GWW725BSNWS (maybe a typo?) ... the parts diagram you linked is for model GTW725BSN0WS ... but yes, it's direct-drive in that it has no belt. The motor is an F&P-style motor, parts 630 and 636. It has a mode shifter, part 325. The transmission part 320 is very much in appearance like a WP VMW transmission. Whirlpool/Maytag VMAX is a variation of the VMW that has a mode shifter and an F&P-style motor without a belt. This post was last edited 04/16/2020 at 12:45 |
Post# 1067612 , Reply# 173   4/16/2020 at 12:44 (1,442 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Agiflow3: It's amazing Whirlpool could implement a motor that acts like a transmission. What is the use of the gearcase for then if it is the motor actually switching back and forth ?Fisher & Paykel developed the transmission-less, direct-drive design with a computer-controlled oscillating stepper-motor years ago (1990s) for their SmartDrive toploader, nothing new about that. It switched between agitate and spin by way of the basket floating slightly upwards to physically disengage from a spin drive cog when the tub fills with water which allows the agitator to oscillate while the basket free-spins. The basket drops back onto the cog when the water drains. Whirlpool used the design directly for early Oasis, Cabrio, and Bravos toploaders. The VMW is a different design that uses a different type of motor that pulses forward and backward for agitation, a belt-drive geared transmission to increase torque, and a mode shifter mechanism to shift between agitate and spin. Whirlpool also revised F&P's design still using a stepper-motor but eliminating the floating basket and implementing a mode shifter. The design is called VMAX. |
Post# 1067636 , Reply# 175   4/16/2020 at 15:08 (1,442 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Actually, the GE part 320 isn't a transmission. It's a mounting platform for the motor and mode shifter, and comprises the concentric drive shafts and bearings. There's no need for a geared transmission with that motor design, being that the motor can be directly controlled for the arc of distance that it turns, force, direction, and speed. You do understand that the agitub design is much simpler and reliable, having a single drive shaft and no additional parts and circuitry for a mode shifter for separately driving the basket and agitator, yes? |
Post# 1067658 , Reply# 178   4/16/2020 at 17:02 (1,442 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 1067660 , Reply# 179   4/16/2020 at 17:17 (1,442 days old) by agiflow3 ()   |   | |
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The TC unit has no need for an auger. The agitator they have now is perfectly adequate. |
Post# 1067922 , Reply# 180   4/18/2020 at 05:51 (1,440 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 1067930 , Reply# 181   4/18/2020 at 08:36 (1,440 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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It would help them wash better and bigger loads with less fabric wear and damage.
After selling nearly 1000 traditional SQ TL washers over the last 15 years the lack of a augur style, neutral drain [ like most other countries get ] and larger holes in the basket bottom is the reason I will never have one in my personal laundry room.
SQs first mission is rugged reliability, and because the home stuff is built to REAL commercial standards they are not going to bells and whistles to their machines.
A current SQ TC5 or a SQ FL washer will outlast ANY washer EVER build and sold in the last 70 years for home use in the US, INCLUDING any wringer washer.
Partly because I can fix machines I value performance over ultimate reliability, however I find that the SQ FL washers to be a nearly perfect balance between performance and reliability., it is fast produces prefect results and has not let me down once in nearly 15 years.
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Post# 1067984 , Reply# 182   4/18/2020 at 17:12 (1,440 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Post# 1068087 , Reply# 185   4/19/2020 at 07:10 (1,439 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Hi Ransome, The facts simply are not on your side, the agitator blades on any agitator do the real cleaning and also can cause wear to clothing, having the clothing turn over in a wash load simply gives more even cleaning and less wear to clothing, the spiral portion of a DAA simply would not damage the most delicate hand knitted sweater.
Yes with a light to medium load a DAA does not make much difference, but everyone needs to wash large items and loads at times like the poster above washing her blankets. A DAA also can make a TL washer more energy efficient when by allowing larger loads to be washed, Climate Change Is Real.
20 some years ago CRs called the two piece agitator the greatest advance in agitator design since the invention of agitators in washing machines, As an expert on Automatic Washers I agree, but you can believe what ever you want.
John L. |