Thread Number: 73530
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
POD 01/12/2017 - Bendix 30" Tumble Action soft-mount washer |
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Post# 971051 , Reply# 1   12/2/2017 at 01:01 (2,336 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Wash times on many laundromat front loaders today aren't very long. The SQ washers at our local do a total wash on "Heavy soil" in 30 minutes. Think the main wash is between 10 to 15 minutes.
One reason why that Bendix may have had short wash times is if soap was meant to be used for "detergent". Soap does not have great soil anti-redeposit qualities. Better off doing two short washes than one long in dirty water. |
Post# 971062 , Reply# 2   12/2/2017 at 02:37 (2,336 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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I believe the maximum wash time was actually 14 minutes, according to the ad copy. You can see the number 12 and then a line, which I'm guessing would add two minutes.
Still, very short by today's HE standards. The wash tumble was around 50 minutes on the Normal cycle (heaviest soil setting) of my 2015 Maytag 8100. It was well over 70 minutes on the Sanitize cycle (heaviest soil setting). That gives today's detergents with their enzyme cocktails and Herculean abilities to keep soil suspended in the wash water plenty of time to eradicate stains. |
Post# 971071 , Reply# 3   12/2/2017 at 05:40 (2,336 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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For two reasons, they used enough water, and they were continuously washing, not stopping and starting like so called HE machines do today! |
Post# 971235 , Reply# 5   12/3/2017 at 08:13 (2,334 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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Idiotic I'm not!, I know what works, ! |
Post# 971262 , Reply# 6   12/3/2017 at 11:15 (2,334 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit)   |   | |
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You asked a question and you got an answer and now you go and criticize it.
Only slant Westinghouse machines were terrible for tangling. Bendix wasn't that bad for it as I understand. As for hot water setting stains, I have removed blood stains with hot water, which by the stain setting logic should make them all but permanent. |
Post# 971338 , Reply# 8   12/3/2017 at 18:33 (2,334 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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IIRC someone posted a while ago that even late as the 1980's or 1990's (discussion was about the Miele w700 or W1070/W1065 series if that narrows down years), and what a leading consumer publication gave those and similar washers low ratings for rinsing quality.
Many European front loaders from thirty or forty years ago now did not extract until after four rinses. Even then the first spin may have only been a short pulse (as with my Miele). Basically relying upon dilution to remove detergent and muck; not always the best way to go. |
Post# 971339 , Reply# 9   12/3/2017 at 18:43 (2,334 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA)   |   | |
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Hmm, I thought the pic was of a dryer did I miss something? |
Post# 971356 , Reply# 10   12/3/2017 at 20:58 (2,334 days old) by Gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)   |   | |
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I never saw a Bendix that tangled clothes. I launder a lot of bloody stuff. Hot water and Phosphated Detergent spiked with Clorox. The SQ TL gets it all clean, every time. |
Post# 971398 , Reply# 11   12/4/2017 at 01:45 (2,334 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Commercial laundries for ages have dealt with blood by using nothing more than hot water, soap and sodium metasilicate, and or another equally strongly alkaline substance. This was long before enzymes came upon the scene and still largely prevails. Exception today is that detergents have mostly replaced soap.
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Post# 971476 , Reply# 16   12/4/2017 at 11:54 (2,333 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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What I say Tom, some people know everything, so I will leave them ALONE! |
Post# 971494 , Reply# 18   12/4/2017 at 13:02 (2,333 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit)   |   | |
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I believe that Hans is referring to the fact that many FL machines are too stingy on water to the extent that it impedes wash action. We have all heard how you have to get a MOL or TOL LG so you can have the TurboWash feature because without it clothes might not even get fully saturated. Older FL machines didn't have this problem and had less chothes wear than ones of today.
As to your point on pauses letting the water move through the fibers, how can a pause move more water through fibers than lifting, dropping, and plunging clothes through the wash water? I just cannot see how that would work. The enzymes can work just as well as they are flowing though the fibers. Don't get me wrong, I like Euro front loaders, they don't try to wash 5 standard capacity loads in 3 cups of water like some of the larger US front loaders. |
Post# 971499 , Reply# 19   12/4/2017 at 13:40 (2,333 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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I’ve owned and used both an older FL, an 87’ Westinghouse and a 2015 LG BOL FL. I really like the FL way of washing, but not unless there is sufficient water to wet the entire load from beginning to end of the cycle.
The Westinghouse filled right away with amount of water the user selected. It looked like it was 1/4 up the window, but if I opened the door the water was below the edge of the tub, This washer was an excellent performer and finished each load in about 40 to 45 mins, or less. The LG on the other hand filled in bursts of water. Because of this I had to install water hammer arrestors to prevent water hammer in the pipes. What was most distressing about this machine is that it would take well over 5 mins for the washer to finish adding water, so the clothes were tumbling during this time with the detergent and the load was partially dampened. If I selected heavy soil, I kid you not it took over 30 mins. before the center of the load would finally be saturated while it continued to fill in bursts. Now thats 1/2 hr. of the wash cycle that really for all intents and purposes was wasted time, as how are you cleaning clothes that aren’t even wet. Now I could circumvent this by selecting the Bulky cycle, with water plus option and it would actually fill to a level equivalent to the older Westinghouse, but then I was limited to a med or slow spin speed, thereby negating the main reason I bought this washer, better extraction for faster drying. So, at the end of the cycle I would need to then run a separate ex high or high speed spin cycle. If this LG had filled all at once, with sufficient water it may still be here in my home. But the other problem I had with it was its capricious attitude about going into a spin. Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't. I actually had loads that took over 3 hrs and would never spin. And I’ve been washing clothes since 1965, so I do know how to properly load and operate a washing machine, and I read the owners manual cover to cover, more than once looking for an answer to the spin problems, I could never solve it. And this was the 6th FL washer that I’ve owned, the older FL’s didn’t have these problems. We own a set of heavy bath towels from Restoration Hardware that we couldn’t even use while we owned the LG FL. These towels REFUSED to spin, no matter what else they were washed with or if they were washed alone, no matter how fast or slow the spin speed selected. The last time I washed these towels in the LG FL, after 3 hrs. I needed to take the sopping wet towels the the laundromat and re wash them so I could get them spun out. That was the last straw for me. The Maytag Centennial that I now own washes these heavy towels flawlessly in 50-55 mins. spins the first time, every time and never hesitates or goes out of balance, and coincidentally, it uses just about the same amount of water that my beloved old Westinghouse used. I’m a happy camper at last. Eddie This post was last edited 12/04/2017 at 15:50 |
Post# 971570 , Reply# 21   12/4/2017 at 20:31 (2,333 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit)   |   | |
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Phosphates toxic? Certainly not, but the issue with them is algal blooms. The ban on residential phosphate use was merely a showboat action as more than 90% of phosphate use is in industry and agriculture. Agriculture run off is what causes algal blooms anyway, because unlike home waste water, there is no treatment involved. Phosphorus is actually a necessary nutrient to ALL living things(alga just goes crazy when there is an abundance).
As to the environmental repercussions of liquid chlorine bleach, there are none, LCB turns to salt after a short time and harms nothing at the concentration in sewer pipes. Chlorine is used to treat drinking water |
Post# 972191 , Reply# 23   12/7/2017 at 17:15 (2,330 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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There is a difference between a leak of LCB into a water supply and a small amount added to a washing machine and draining into a sewage system to be diluted by and treated with thousands of gallons of waste water. |
Post# 972201 , Reply# 24   12/7/2017 at 18:21 (2,330 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Eh?
How far back does your definition of "vintage" go? To best of one's knowledge none of the Miele washing machines before the 19XX (or their corresponding models sold in Europe) spun after anything but the third or fourth rinse. This includes the topping up with cold water before draining after main wash. AEG washers one has seen or researched from that same period (before 1990's or so), also did not spin until after two or more rinses. Ditto for Asko and a few others. My AEG OKO-Lavamat which is from a 1997 series (IIRC) does spin after main wash for Normal/Easy Cares. However if one choses "Sensitive" then the thing will default to a rinse patter not that much different than washers of old; it does two deep rinses after the main wash with no spins between any. |
Post# 972203 , Reply# 25   12/7/2017 at 18:25 (2,330 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Too right.
Which is why you want to always purchase and use "fresh" liquid chlorine bleach and or products based upon. Just rubbished a new barely used bottles of Tilex mold killer that had sat so long the bleach component degraded. This also explains why for many commercial/industrial purposes they go with powdered chlorine bleach (such as swimming pools), as it is far more shelf stable. |
Post# 972522 , Reply# 28   12/9/2017 at 07:35 (2,328 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 972528 , Reply# 29   12/9/2017 at 08:24 (2,328 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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Frontloaders I mean Bendix and Westinghouse in the 50s and 60s. |