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Post# 972498   12/9/2017 at 04:50 (221 days old) by johnrk (BP TX)        

My garbage disposer has died--locked up. It was a Badger installed about 3yrs go by my plumber who said it was the most popular model their company used. I never did like it--it's one of those that has the slinging weights on a bottom plate. I can still get it to go on occasion after pressing the reset button on the bottom but it's obviously had it.

Does anyone on here recommend a particular brand? I think the model I was happiest with was about 20 years ago, a Craftsman/Sears. It had a reversible motor so it'd go a different direction each time it worked. I think it didn't have those slinging weights as I remember, but had sort of blade-type things on the walls of the chamber.

I've looked at YouTube and Amazon and apparently there are two types now--one uses some 'easy mount' system and the other does't. My Elkay sink is about 25 years old; is it a safe bet that it doesn't use that 'easy mount' system?

Though I live alone, I really miss the disposer. I do lots of beans and veggies and right now I'm trucking around the corner to dump small amounts in the toilet in my utility room half bath--and that ain't fun. I only have garbage service in my city twice weekly and with our heat, some stuff will start stinking in my garage if I leave it there.

Any advice will be surely appreciated.

Post# 972508 , Reply# 1   12/9/2017 at 06:20 (221 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI )        

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Our 40+ year old Insinkerator crapped out on us late last year, and we replaced it with a GE Model GFC530V.  It actually performs better than the old one ever did.  I recommend this model very highly.


Post# 972512 , Reply# 2   12/9/2017 at 06:32 (220 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Try to find a VINTAGE NOS disposer-some members-Volsboy- may have some he can sell.I WOULD NOT dump food waste in even a toilet-it can clog or worse yet clog your home main sewer line.shredded waste from a disposer won't clog the lines.I use an old Vita Mix blender to shred the waste-pour it onto the sink strainer and throw the stringy stuff into the trash.Most goes down the drain.The stringy stuff can cause clogs.

Post# 972515 , Reply# 3   12/9/2017 at 06:35 (220 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Silly me-now use an older Maytag disposer I bought from Volsboy.Does a GREAT job-the "slinging weights" or impellors are a benefit-like the blades on a Brush Hog tractor mower-the "weights" swivel away from tough stuff for another blow instead of jamming as fixed impellors can.The swivel impellors eventually along with the shred ring--"BASH" the waste to shredded remains.

Post# 972517 , Reply# 4   12/9/2017 at 06:40 (220 days old) by johnrk (BP TX)        

I never, ever toss anything stringy into either the disposer or into my toilet. Only stuff like gravies, etc. It's funny--I remember growing up and my parents tossed watermelon, celery, bones, etc., down our GE Disposall. But I never did. I can remember when a friend of mine had to call a plumber a while back because his teenaged son crammed too much pasta into the disposer and stopped things up!

I tend to save old food containers in the garage, specifically for dumping used frying oil in the garbage. I don't want it going into my drains. I'll also use those little plastic baggies from the grocery store to wrap stuff before going in the garbage.

The one appliance I never had and never wanted was one of those trash compactors. They were a nightmare down here where we constantly fight roaches for most of the year.

My biggest concern where I live, on this acre with a creek in the back, is that we have tons of raccoons and possums, a few coyotes and some armadillos. If we put our garbage out late at night to await morning pickup, it's no surprise when the sun comes up, to see that something has torn open the plastic bags. Solid cans are prohibited in our city.

Post# 972543 , Reply# 5   12/9/2017 at 09:46 (220 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
I install a garbage disposal about once a month

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So here's the opinion of a guy who does lots and lots of them.

1) Don't worry about the easy-mount system - if your current disposal is a Badger, then any disposal you buy will fit that easy-mount collar without difficulty. There's even an inexpensive adapter (and it actually works) to fit the other design to the one in your sink.

2) While the Badger 100 is a very popular one, they have a horrible problem lasting much beyond three years unless they are in constant use. Vital components rust out unless flushed constantly. Many of the Chinese knock-offs with 'stainless steel' and 'non-corroding' (means plastic) parts still use regular steel under the chamber and it still rusts through in, well, about three years.

3) I've not had a single problem with any of the InSinkErator Evolve units I've installed, some have now been running for over 10 years.

4) The Evergrind disposals offered by Menards are easier to install (pre-wired) and they hook-up to the easy-mount collar perfectly. They also have been subject to some scary recalls.

5) The GE system, which uses a brushed motor, will require either the adapter (no big deal, don't let anyone tell you otherwise, I do them all the time and if I can do it....) or replacing the three-bolt mounting collar, seems to last a bit longer when you get into the stainless steel designs.

6) If you want reversing and three-chamber grinding, go with the Evolution Excel Garbage Disposal by InSinkErator. It's a no-compromise unit at a reasonable price (about $400). If you've never installed one before, a third hand will help, but it fits the same collar as you currently have so you can definitely do it yourself.

Post# 972544 , Reply# 6   12/9/2017 at 09:49 (220 days old) by johnrk (BP TX)        
Thank you, Endora!

I think this crappy disposer was only about $150, which is the cheapest I've ever gotten.

I'd rather pay more and get more--and longer-lived.

And no, I can't even get under my sink any more due to ruined spine, my plumber will put it in. I just bought a new sink faucet set and I'll get them both done on the same call.

Thanks again!

Post# 972553 , Reply# 7   12/9/2017 at 10:18 (220 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
No problem,

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Having to rely on someone else for plumbing is never fun. Regardless of what you buy, running it everyday with lots of water and flushing thoroughly after its done grinding will extend the life.

Post# 972557 , Reply# 8   12/9/2017 at 10:39 (220 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

I installed an ISE Evolution here about 6-7 years ago and it never skips a beat, unlike the Badger before it that clogged the drain any time you put anything in it. With the new one the only maintenance I do is dumping the ice cube tray down it to clean out any built up particles that are stinking.

Post# 972563 , Reply# 9   12/9/2017 at 10:51 (220 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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I sell a lot of the Kitchenaid KCDS100T units because they are the Insinkerator Evolution 1 hp units. We can get the kitchenaids cheaper than we can get the ISE units.

Everyone I have sold, the customers absolutely love them. I have one waiting to go in my kitchen when I get time.

The thing could probably chop up a cow carcass and you'd barely hear it.

Post# 972566 , Reply# 10   12/9/2017 at 11:00 (220 days old) by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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I took our garbage disposal out about 3 years ago and I don’t miss it.

My experience with any of the garbage disposal that we’ve owned is that they seem to clog up at the most inconvenient of times, when
I ‘ve got five things going at once that I need to pay attention to, and then the garbage disposal would clog. And I was always careful to not overload the disposal, but even so there would still be the occasional clog. Of course then, when I needed the sink the most, I’d have to drop everything, get out the plunger, and hope that would do it. If that didn’t work, then I’d need to get out the snake. PITA! So, I really don’t mind disposing of my vegetable peels, ect in the garbage can. But we also live in a condo, so we have a remote dumpster that I can take the garbage to regularly, so its not stinking up the house. The other plus is that we now have more room under the kitchen sink. And since I took it out, not once have I needed to plunge the kitchen sink, so it works for me.

But that all being said, I do think that Panthera’s advice is right on if you must have a garbage disposal.

Post# 972583 , Reply# 11   12/9/2017 at 12:09 (220 days old) by jakeseacrest (Massachusetts)        

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The condo I moved into last year had an Ace Hardware version of the Badger 5. It clogged a few times in the first 3 months that I lived here. Replaced it with an ISE Evolution Space Saver from Lowe's. 5/8 hp and auto reverse all for only about $160. Haven't had a clog since

Post# 972589 , Reply# 12   12/9/2017 at 12:47 (220 days old) by sudsmaster (East of SF, West of Eden, California)        

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I am of the opinion that the main reasons why a plumber might say Badgers are the most popular is because they are CHEAP.  I regard them as garbage disposer bottom feeders. They appear to be "contractor grade", which generally means they'll last long enough for the contractor to be paid ;-).


This house came with a vintage brand disposer (original Waste King, I think) but it kept on overloading and needing resetting until finally I replaced it with a 3/4 HP "Titan" from Costco, about 15 years ago. The Titan has worked flawlessly, never clogs or bogs. It has stainless steel components so rusting is not a concern.  A drawback, if any, is that the diameter of the opening is a bit less than that of the previous model. So my hand won't fit in there. That may not actually be a drawback, though. Another issue may be the thin nature of the sink flange that comes with these units. It dents easily. However it is backed up by a strong black plastic and although the one in my sink as accumulated a lot of dents, it still works fine and doesn't leak. And I notice that newer models may come with a variety of sink flanges, like stainless, bronze, white, etc., so if one dents too much there are always spares... Ironically, the same design used in the Titan is now sold under the Waste King name... but of course they are not the same internally as the vintage Waste Kings.


I bought a second 1-1/4 HP Titan a few years ago to put into the second kitchen in the enclosed patio. I've held off on that because that installation would require some electrical work which I'm not too keen on at the moment. Meanwhile the 3/4 HP Titan in the main kitchen seems to have more than enough power.


As for disposer pros and cons... I'm convinced they make food prep a lot quicker... no need to worry about small bits clogging a strainer... and one can send stuff that might rot and fester in the under-sink wastebasket, down the disposer instead, out of sight/mind/aroma.


The Titan disposers are often on sale a local Costcos for $80. Here's a link to where one can be ordered on-line. The same design seems to also be sold under the name Waste King which is available on Amazon...


Purists may disdain the Titan/Anaheim/Joneca disposers because they are high speed (2600 rpm) and made in China. As far as speed goes, it seems to do the job nicely and is also quieter than lower speed older designs. As for made in China... that's become the new normal, hasn't it? The company does say they are American engineered and designed, for whatever that's worth.


Post# 972590 , Reply# 13   12/9/2017 at 13:02 (220 days old) by Repair-man (Pittsburgh PA)        

I agree with the others here about the ISE Evolution models or equivalent. I have had mine for six trouble free years. Very quiet. Worth the extra money over the Badger line.

Post# 972713 , Reply# 14   12/9/2017 at 23:46 (220 days old) by Johnb300m (Chicago)        

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I can't recommend the ISE Evolution series enough.
They're incredibly quiet and powerful.
I found my Evolution Compact on Amazon for about 20$ less than in stores.
It's HEAVY but a breeze to install if you have the quick connect flange already.
It's got a plastic grind chamber, but the flyweel, lugs and grind/shear ring are all stainless. 3/4 HP.

Post# 972723 , Reply# 15   12/10/2017 at 00:53 (220 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Johnrk-I have roache problems along with raccoons,possums,and yes,coyotes-and occasionally--bears.I don't subscribe to a trash removal service-take mine to the "dump" a trash transfer station that has 2 dumpsters-one for appliances,another for yard waste,and a third for furniture.Then there are three compactors-one for general trash,another for cans addn bottles,newspapars-last for cardboard.I don't believe in home type compactors-compactors in trash trucks and the large ones at the dump site are more effective-and they can handle bulk waste.The trash services that pick up trash have EZ-Pack Goliath truck bodies on an International chassis.An EZ-Pak Goliath will crunch ANYTHING you can throw into its hopper.Other trucks are Pak-Mor and NewWay.The Greenville city area has new NewWay auto side loader trucks.Beatiful trucks!Too bad they will get grungy from trash hauling.Most ASL trucks use reciprocating ran compactors-they will crunch anything the ram can get a hold of.Seen one of these crush a 4X6 " piece of wood to kindling.Disposers and trash trucks are interests of mine.My NOS Maytag disposer I bought from Volsboy replaced an ISE Evolution Excell dispoer.The ISE was good but SLOW.The Maytag is faster and shreds just as well and with only 1/2 HP instead of one Hp.Honestly the OLDER disposer designs were better than today.
If you subscribe to the trash pickup services here-they provide with a container-These are designed to be used with the tippers on the RL trash trucks.In the city they give you a container to be used with the ASL trucks.In an area like yours or mine-think the solid containers should be REQUIRED.These are more likely to survive attacks by animals than bags.

Post# 972731 , Reply# 16   12/10/2017 at 02:15 (220 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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I can't imagine living in a home without a garbage disposer. The last couple models I have had have been ISE's and the first model in the line with stainless grind chamber parts. First one lasted over 16 years, I'm about 8 on the current one. I have never seen any issue at all with clogged plumbing on the kitchen sink run. As long as you use the automatic dishwasher that shouldn't be a concern.

As for the Badger model, I wouldn't install one even if it were free.

Post# 972741 , Reply# 17   12/10/2017 at 06:24 (220 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Badgers are a builders brand disposer-also they are used in apartment buildings.The ones I lived in the DC area had them.If your disposer has worn shredders-as with an old Badger-then clogging is a concern.The plumbing in my current house sucks-the plumber was an idiot.Had to reslope the main drain line in my house a few times.Also I have a septic tank.Septic tank users have to be careful what goes down the drain as opposed to homes on a sewer system.

Post# 972759 , Reply# 18   12/10/2017 at 08:28 (219 days old) by Gyrafoam (Roanoke, VA)        

My KitchenAid is about eight years old, with no repairs or problems.

Too bad the old (Genuine) Maytag Batch-Feeds are no longer available, as they are great machines.

Of all the "builders grade" waste disposers I ever used, those cheap, tiny and loud old GE's of the sixties and seventies were great! I bought one as NOS off of Flea-Bay once. It was a dud. Years of sitting on the shelf had destroyed the bearings.

Post# 972761 , Reply# 19   12/10/2017 at 08:54 (219 days old) by retro-man (nashua,nh)        

I also have an ISE Evolution Series installed a couple of years ago replacing a GE builders grade crap. The GE rusted out and ceased up. Had another one downstairs in the other kitchen and that one did the same just before the one upstairs did the same. Have another GE in the condo at the beach and that one is getting loud. I actually bought another one of them and its sitting in the closet ready to get changed out. The reason I bought another one is that it will just be removal and replacement. No need to change drainage at all. That one does not get as much usage so it will last a bit longer. Love the ISE though, quiet strong and non clogging.


Post# 972781 , Reply# 20   12/10/2017 at 11:16 (219 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
I have a Sears

Kenmore disposer from 1996. Made by Insinkerator 3/4 h.p. with stainless steel grind chamber, parts and reversing motor. Quiet enough.
Worth the extra money. I re installed it after our 2011 kitchen remodel.
No egg shells, potato skins, stringy anything. Not good for the plumbing, and it's not a commercial garbell grinder.
Another disposer enemy is aquarium sediemnt small stones.

Post# 972795 , Reply# 21   12/10/2017 at 11:53 (219 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Two misconceptions

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Which are good for my business, but bad for customers:

1) You're wasting water! The millisecond the disposal is done grinding, turn that water off! Oh, my paws and whiskers! You're wasting water!

2) A disposal which isn't in use doesn't wear out.


A cheap Badger will last and work very well for a very long time if you flush it thoroughly with plenty of water. Says so in the instructions. Even if you don't use it every day, you need to flush it to stop the rust from building up.


Misconception #2:

Stainless Steel and Plastique are truly non-corroding in this environment. Yee-Haw. Just, the seals and the drive components hooking the plate up to the motor? Surprise, dahlinks - they are NOT stainless steel! No, sir, they are not. That's why flushing is so important. But, heh, yeah: You're wasting water! They don't make that anymore! Denkt niemand an den Kindern!!!!

Post# 972799 , Reply# 22   12/10/2017 at 12:20 (219 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        

I had three Badgers in a row (home bought new in 1988 came with a Badger) and none lasted more than three years. BUT they cost under $50 back then, so every three years I'd pull out the old one and pop in a new one. On my fourth try, put in an ISE 333, which had a SS chamber/blades; I think this was their upscale model before the Evolution. Installed c. 2001, it lasted over a decade.

About four years ago, replaced the dead 333 with the Evolution (1 HP model). Works great. My father has the 3/4 Evolution Compact and it works great, installed eight years ago. He bought his from Lowes and used their contracted installer.

Post# 972845 , Reply# 23   12/10/2017 at 15:40 (219 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I've had my GE 1 hp continuous feed since February 1994 with hardly a hiccup.  Has clogged the pipe that goes across to the pipe that leads out to the sewer drain probably less than 10 times in all that time.  I throw just about everything at it (not beef bones.  It's on my left sink bowl and dishwasher drains in the right hand sink drain.  Many times after intense grinding, I'll fill the sink up[ with about 3 to 4 inches of cold water and drain the sink and run the disposer to flush out good.  This one has lasted 23 years and 10 months compared to the ISE builder model, which lasted  9.5 months at most.  I was without a disposer for a month or two.  But had to get a new one as I was having all my family for an extended weekend for my parents' 50th wedding anniversary. 


I have no doubt the GE that's sold today is nowhere near the quality of what I got almost 24 years ago.  I guess the Evolution XTR would be the appropriate replacement.  I doubt Waste King can hold a candle to it either. 

Post# 972855 , Reply# 24   12/10/2017 at 16:26 (219 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
One thing of which to be wary

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Not only Evergrind but several other cheap Chinese knock-offs have had safety recalls for various problems (I still refuse to use the word 'issues' for a problem, what a silly thing. Don't much care for 'impact' as a verb, either).

The whole 'using the garbage disposal' to actually, you know, get rid of garbage (including bones) or not divides many a household. After my dear husband's friends threw all the wet garbage in the trash compactor and the damned bag split all across the floor on me, I threw a temper tantrum of truly epic proportions. These are the dear souls who don't run the dishwasher if it's only twice as full as a Bob-load (you could still put a plastic toothpick in there, somewhere, they're sure. The ones who never use paper towels but only cloth (including the towels one of them just used to wash the dog's face. Not that I don't love the dog, but, ewww - in the kitchen???) And who, never, ever put anything down the garbage disposal and freak like mad when I put anything more sturdy than a tomato peel down it.


You know what? I throw everything in, banana peels, potato skins, bones (yes, dear pearl-clutchers, bones and not just chicken bones. Everything. It's what it's there for.


OK - end of rant, but, really - we've long since established that what kills these appliances is the mounting point between the plate and the motor (it's not stainless steel) and the various seals. Not what you use it for. Just be sure to flush with lots and lots of running water and everything will be fine.

Post# 972862 , Reply# 25   12/10/2017 at 16:48 (219 days old) by Labboy (SD, CA)        

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We have an Evolution Excel and love it. Very quiet and takes anything you throw at it. We also like that you can remove the baffle (we got a spare) and run it through the dishwasher.


Post# 972885 , Reply# 26   12/10/2017 at 20:05 (219 days old) by sudsmaster (East of SF, West of Eden, California)        

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The vintage Waste King (slow) that was in this house when I bought it must have been at least 15 years old. It was my first exposure to a garbage disposer, so I didn't know quite what to expect. But I was not happy that it managed to let mass quantities of sauerkraut through untouched, which then proceeded to clog the drain from kitchen to main sanitary line. Unfortunately there was a laundry closet and a shower/bath/sink along the way. So the shower stall would back up when the washer was run, due to the recurrent kitchen/Waste King clogs.


Eventually the Waste King kept jamming (had to be reset) so much it was useless to even try running it. It would jam if you looked at it sideways. The kicker was when it would jam on nothing more heinous than a rubber band. I got a 50 ft power auger and cleaned out the main kitchen/laundry/bath drain, and installed the aforementioned Titan. Guess what? No more  jams, no more clogs, no more shower stall flooding. Yay.


Now, I love vintage appliances as much as anyone here. But when they have lived out their useful lives, and perform a function that is vital to keeping the house in proper function, it's time to replace them, and usually that means a new and improved version. Nobody wants to commute in a Model-T, after all.



Post# 972894 , Reply# 27   12/10/2017 at 21:09 (219 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        
Unused garbage disposals...

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I have a Kenmore 2002 model similar to vacertor's.  Made by Insinkerator, 3/4 h.p. with stainless steel grind chamber, parts and reversing motor. No problems so far.


Had it installed when I bought this 1956 ranch, the house never had a GD or dishwasher before.


All was good for a year or so until potato peels caused a clog.  After that I never used it for anything but the bits left over from rinsing dishes.  I still like having it for that reason and run it every day.  Don't know if I'm being overly cautious but once burned...

Post# 972897 , Reply# 28   12/10/2017 at 21:14 (219 days old) by Spacedogb (Lafayette, LA)        

I have an ISE Evolution that I got NIB on Craigslist for $50. It’s been a great unit. Quiet and I can throw anything at it. It’s the $450 model at Lowe’s but not sure you want to spend that much.

Post# 972904 , Reply# 29   12/10/2017 at 21:46 (219 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

Whatever you put down there don't put tea leaves down there! Not even in the nice Evolution. You will need to cast one of your spells to clear that clog...

Post# 972924 , Reply# 30   12/11/2017 at 00:27 (219 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

My Maytag is going on 25 years, still works fairly well.  I did replace the shredder ring once a number of years ago, not sure if they are still available, would like to find one at some point.

Post# 972926 , Reply# 31   12/11/2017 at 00:57 (219 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

If you are getting drain line clogs after using your disposer-TIME for a new one!The shredders are too worn and passing the waste without shredding it-hence the clogging.A properly operating disposer should not cause clogs no matter what food waste goes in it.Bones are actually good-they clear the "slime" from soft waste diets so the shredders don't corrode.Go ahead-feed the disposer bones-keeps the cutters clean and no slime to stink or cause corrosion.

Post# 972967 , Reply# 32   12/11/2017 at 09:35 (218 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Rex is absolutely right-

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We have a three-stage disposal, so I don't worry about the stringy stuff, etc, but, yes - the ice cube trick works well and so (gasp!, the horror of it all!) so do bones.

Mainly, though - flush, flush, flush. If you're one of those people who can't stand the thought of letting the water run after the disposal is done grinding, then you simple may not use a garbage disposal. It's that simple. Back when dishwashers actually used water to clean, those 8-11 gallons were enough. Today, that trickle of 40ml just ain't gonna stop the slime buildup.

We need to return to batch mode systems. That would be the best answer.

Post# 972983 , Reply# 33   12/11/2017 at 10:51 (218 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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Speaking of things we throw down our disposers. I'll throw down coffee grounds, tea leaves, garlic and onion husks. It all goes down (muahahahaha)
I do flush mine pretty well, though briefly, after.
And I will put chicken bones and ice down it periodically to scrub it out.
No other bones though. While I know it can handle it, I don't want to stand around while it chews up beef or pork bones, nor do I want to put it under THAT much stress.

As for stainless components....I know not all disposers have stainless flywheel brackets.
But I'm pretty sure the stainless series Evolution disposers have full stainless flywheel brackets. I could see it through the drain port at the store, under the wheel.

Post# 972990 , Reply# 34   12/11/2017 at 11:24 (218 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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I'm with you John, all that stuff people tell me to "never" dump down there goes right down. I was told a while back that one egg shell will plug the drain, BS... Heard the same of coffee grounds etc. I don't generally grind up bones but if I had the patience I'm sure that wouldn't be an issue. I also avoid grape vines/stems as they seem to take a while to be rid of too.

If it is a continuous feed model it is vital to get one that has a removable rubber splash guard. I have an extra one and I toss them in the dishwasher every time I run it alternating from one to the other. Most disposer smells are rotting food on the bottom of the splash guard. The cheap builder models with the non-removable splash guards are a nightmare in this regard.

If I'm standing there I turn on the disposer when my dishwasher goes into drain during a wash cycle. That hot stream of detergent spraying into the grind chamber while it is running makes everything shiny in there in seconds!

Post# 972991 , Reply# 35   12/11/2017 at 11:40 (218 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

I don't blame the disposer for that tea leaf clog. Someone dumped at least a few pounds down there all at once and they bound to the grease accumulated in the drain line. They WERE shredded pretty well.

The removed section of pipe in the basement looked like this. That was with the tea leaves removed. All of that accumulation was with the habit of flushing the drain with lots of water over the years.

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Post# 973025 , Reply# 36   12/11/2017 at 15:04 (218 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)        

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Panthera, what about when the dishwasher is connected to the disposer? That is, the dishwasher drains into the disposal and from the disposal down the drain? I would think that would help with cleaning the disposal or would the detergents be too strong?

Also, a tip for cleaning the rubber baffle if it does not remove: Take a paper towel, crinkle it up and get it all wet, then place some Dawn on it. Then take the PT and rub it, Dawn side up, on the underside of the rubber. It will make a grown man gag at first, but do it 2-3 times and it will smell much better. Do NOT put the paper towel down the disposal, put it in the trash. then run just a little bit of water, turn the disposal on, and run a little bit of Dawn to create a foam in there, I do that and my disposal smells better.

Post# 973086 , Reply# 37   12/11/2017 at 19:22 (218 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        

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That's a great idea for cleaning. Thanks!
I am sure the dishwasher helps, but nothing beats flushing thoroughly during and after the grinding process. It's the same principle as never using hot water on grease - it cools down too fast and stops up the pipes.
I run the water for a good minute after the grinding is done. The horrors of it all! But not a single jam, stinky or problem in years and years.

Post# 973102 , Reply# 38   12/11/2017 at 21:27 (218 days old) by sudsmaster (East of SF, West of Eden, California)        

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Grease is the mortal enemy of drains. There are wonderful photos of "Fat Bergs" clogging the sewers of London, probably from people dumping their fish & chips fryers in the drains. Things have changed since the World Wars when housewives were encouraged to save all fats in the kitchen to donate to the war effort. I think the fat could be used in explosives. Maybe also burned as fuel in the naval steam engines of the day.


Best to keep an old can in the kitchen to receive any fats/oils instead of dumping down the drain. Then it can be used to make soap (if  you dare) or popped into the trash (hefty bagged) for pickup. If it's too runny, just pop it in the freezer overnight, it should stiffen up.


Some fats down the drain can be unavoidable, such as what accumulates on plates and bowls and even pots and pans. But gross amounts do not belong in the drain. Even if they are liquid in the kitchen, the cool temps in the sewer can solidify them.


And lest we Yanks get too smug about it, Baltimore has its very own huge fatberg now...




Post# 973171 , Reply# 39   12/12/2017 at 05:01 (218 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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Kenmore 3/4hp with stainless chamber, plate, and shredder ring, auto reversing motor, been in service for 19 years.  It will grind anyone I choose to put down it.

Post# 973507 , Reply# 40   12/13/2017 at 18:35 (216 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA)        

Where is Mike Rowe when you need him? I mean to clean the sewer, not unplug my clog...

Post# 973533 , Reply# 41   12/13/2017 at 20:05 (216 days old) by sudsmaster (East of SF, West of Eden, California)        

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I was at Costco last night, and saw that they are carrying the American Standard version of the 1-1/4 HP Titan. This time with a 3-bolt attachment system, which some here seem to favor. A box was open so I fished out the owner's manual to confirm the mfg is "Joneca", which is the same company that "makes" the Titan and other various clones. I regard these as good disposers, at a reasonable price, and so far they seem to be long-lasting.


Post# 973542 , Reply# 42   12/13/2017 at 20:43 (216 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Menards has that 1-1/4 HP Titan on sale

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at 70$ right now as a Westinghouse.

Yeah, I know - but they do have good reviews. 

Just did another garbage disposal this morning for a customer.

Would have like to pick one up, but they'd already chosen a Badger 900. Which is not a bad machine, though, like all stainless steel units of that lineage - the motor attachment is still plain old steel. 

Post# 973566 , Reply# 43   12/13/2017 at 23:40 (216 days old) by man114 (Buffalo)        

Doesn't hurt to look for NOS. I got a 1970s waste king for $15 and installed it when we redid our kitchen.

Post# 974530 , Reply# 44   12/18/2017 at 20:59 (211 days old) by SuDsMaStEr (East of SF, West of Eden, California)        

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Regarding stainless vs plain steel and flushing...


The Achilles heel of most stainless steel is chlorine, either as the element or as part of a salt. The element, found in chlorine bleach, is quite corrosive to stainless - there are numerous tales of home brewers disinfecting their stainless equipment with chlorine bleach solution, but failing to rinse it completely out. What happens is that droplets of bleach solution left inside the vessels can slowly dry out, increasing the chlorine concentration to the point where it causes pinhole corrosion in the vessels, leading to pinholes, which means they can no longer be used to hold liquids esp not under pressure.


The main element in stainless steel that gives it corrosion resistance is chromium. Upon exposure to air, it creates a very thin layer of chromium oxide, which prevents the iron in the metal from combining with oxygen and rusting. However, salt water or chlorine bleach can attack the chromium oxide, resulting in corrosion of the metal underneath it. Very cheap stainless has only chromium for corrosion resistance, and that cheap stainless will fairly quickly corrode (rust) if left in contact with salt water for a prolonged time. More expensive stainless has nickel in addition to the chromium, and the nickle acts to protect the chromium as well as provide its own corrosion resistance. In terms of corrosion resistance, from lousy to pretty good, you go from 18-0 (18% chromium, 0% nickel), to 18-8, 18-10, then up to 18-12. 18-10 is what I usually look for in flatware and such. The usual alloy is #304. A few percent of molybdenum also helps to protect the chromium oxide layer, and according to the sources I've seen, that's generally called 316 grade and may be preferred for marine environments.  Above that, you start to get into the high nickel alloys like Inconel, Monel, which are very corrosion and heat resistant, but as you might imagine, much more expensive than the usual consumer grades. Very high nickel alloys are used in such things as jet engine turbine blades and afterburners, because they are so heat resistant. They are also very difficult to machine, but that's another story. And as you might imagine, there are a lot of different alloys produced by tweaking the percent and type of alloying elements added.


The reason why I bring this all up is from Panthera's recommendation to flush the drain thoroughly after using a disposer. I would imagine, based on the above, while it's important for normal food scraps, it's even more important if one cleans a sink with a chlorine containing bleach. You don't want droplets of a bleach solution drying out on stainless (or regular steel, for that matter), becoming more and more concentrated as they dry, and causing pinhole leaks/fractures/mayhem.


Many years ago when I didn't know better, I bought a set of flatware that turned out to be 18-0 stainless. It worked fine as long as I kept it clean and dry. But I got a taste of how vulnerable it can be, when I lost a spoon in the garden. I found it a few weeks later, and it looked quite corroded and rusted. I was a bit surprised. After that I got some 18-8 flatware and have kept better track of its whereabouts :-).



Post# 974544 , Reply# 45   12/18/2017 at 23:38 (211 days old) by diesirae7 (Central Illinois)        

I've never had a sink disposer, even while growing up at home. Dad always put veggie waste in a bag and it went to compost pile outside then into the garden in the Spring. Any left over food went outside for the birds to eat in the day, and at night the coons or possums, everything was always gone by morning LOL
We never had food waste in the garbage, save for cooking grease. (Always save bacon lard in the little lard bowl that stayed on the stove for use when cooking, both grandmas always did that) Now I do the same thing at my house. Nature's garbage disposal, coons and possums :D works great and its free and nothing goes to waste

Post# 974550 , Reply# 46   12/19/2017 at 00:37 (211 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Natures "disposers" can leave WASTE of their own.And it can be NASTY!!!Both can carry rabies!You REALLY don't want those around "cute" as they can be!Also ether can have parasitic intestinal worms!Beleive me you DON'T want those critters around!!Ad long as they stay away from the house-fine.WE also have bears and wild hogs here,too!And too close to home!!!If I walk the neighborhood at night near my place-Carry one of my portable HID lights-critters esp bears don't like BRIGHT lights!

Post# 974556 , Reply# 47   12/19/2017 at 01:15 (211 days old) by diesirae7 (Central Illinois)        

They are around if I set it out or not! Here in IL its impossible NOT to have them, I live next to a creek, hillside and lots of trees, once darkness falls, I see them on the hillside, walking up from the creek, etc. Coons, possums, deer, owls sit on my porch light sometimes, bats, oh and the ground hog, but he's in his den in the hillside for the winter. I make a point to make noise when I come home at night so I don't sneak up on them, they can get mean if scared. I usually start rambling or screaming like a mad man getting out of the car, then I can hear them running away LOL

Post# 974572 , Reply# 48   12/19/2017 at 06:18 (211 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

The possums,coons,and such are all around me,too-Just don't want them too close to my place when I am outside.I have to go to work at night-shine my barnburner light all around to scare the critters away-and I have found some in my light-Racoons and a Momma possum with her young riding on her back.Don't bother them if they don't bother me.I just don't attract them.Seriously they do carry rabies and fleas.They are wild creatures and don't react favorably to people.Some folks have made pets of these-found them when they were babies and the mother was killed by a car or a hunter.Both are commonly hunted here.Its not legal to keep these but some people manage to do it.It was said they do make good pewts when trained-and both are very intelligent.

Post# 974586 , Reply# 49   12/19/2017 at 07:58 (210 days old) by SudsMaster (East of SF, West of Eden, California)        

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I have three compost bins, a cubic yard each, that are going most of the year. And they get the garden clippings and meat/nitrogen waste from the kitchen. I still use the sink disposer for stuff that falls into the sink during food prep, instead of clogging a strainer, which I dislike trying to clean. A properly managed compost bin, with a good ratio of "brown" to "green" doesn't stink even if you add meat scraps to it, and the lid on the bins keeps rats and mice out of it. The center of the bin reaches 140F or more from natural processes, enough to kill pathogens and render the compost safe for a vegetable garden.


I don't put any food out for raccoons or possums. They still come around, occasionally, attracted to stuff like avocados and other fruit trees in the yard. And the fish pond, which I've had to protect with high voltage fido shock wiring. I don't much mind the possums, but raccoons are bad news - they often carry a nasty round worm which can make humans very sick - like blind or dead. Raccoons like to create communal toilets on tops of flat roofing, and their scat can contain millions of these roundworm eggs. And the baby raccoons can be very infectious. The only sure way to kill those eggs is with a blow torch. I've also had to protect flat roofing around here with the fido shock wiring. It is irresponsible to feed wild raccoons; it only increases their numbers and the chances of humans contracting Baylisascaris procyonis. And keeping a not dewormed raccoon as a pet is just rolling the dice in a situation where one is likely to lose.


No bears or other large predators/scavengers around here, and those raccoons or possums that do come around don't disturb the bins.


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Post# 974591 , Reply# 50   12/19/2017 at 08:54 (210 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Good points on the stainless steel

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And one big reason for rinsing thoroughly. Another one: The dratted stainless and plastic is not all of the garbage disposer. At some point, they are joined to plain old steel. I won't write again what the manufacturers suggest, but it's worth reading up how long they say you should flush after grinding and doing so.

The whole nature is great thing-y is wonderful. I've lots of German friends and relations who do that. We have bears here. Anybody seriously wanna try that? Wait, let me set up the cameras first. Bound to be a slasher film being made in Hollywood someday soon which could use the footage. 

Post# 974679 , Reply# 51   12/19/2017 at 22:49 (210 days old) by diesirae7 (Central Illinois)        

Panthera, are you from Germany? I lived in Bavaria! The garbage system is very complicated I remember, everything separated, steel, plastic, glass, etc, then take it to town and put everything in its proper disposal container LOL, those were fun days indeed, miss the Alps and Salzburg at Christmas time.

Post# 974681 , Reply# 52   12/19/2017 at 23:05 (210 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
HI Troy,

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Yup, Munich. Miss it. Don't miss the recycling system.

Post# 974685 , Reply# 53   12/19/2017 at 23:11 (210 days old) by diesirae7 (Central Illinois)        

Nice, Bavaria is great, I lived in BayerishGmain, within walking distance to Austrian border.

Post# 974688 , Reply# 54   12/20/2017 at 00:09 (210 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

For the sink I have the ISE Evolution, for the floors I used to have a Rottweiler (now there's a Poodle but he's a food snob and won't touch most food), for outside we have possums, raccoons, skunks, deer, squirrels, birds, cats, coyotes...the only thing we don't have (yet) are Wolves, Bears, and wild hogs. The biggest menace are the raccoons, they've tipped over the trash can a few times and made a mess all over the driveway. One time one tried to take up residence in one of the trees in the backyard, then one day it got up on the back porch and my Rottweiler cornered it under the swing, scared it and after he was called in it ran off and never came back. Was amazed and relieved it didn't attack him. 


One time my mother watched a raccoon pull a drumstick out of a trash can and eat it while sitting atop the hood of a car. Another time it was mid day I was driving down my grandma's street and a raccoon was standing in the gutter, I merely slowed down and looked at it and it started hissing at me. I was ready to shoot the bastard by that point. 


The deer like to eat the baby pine tree in the back yard, they will come right up to the houses late at night sometimes. They have VERY good hearing so one has to be very quiet not to scare them off sneaking outside for a photo. One time one of us looked out the window late at night and a deer was staring right back in... 

Post# 974689 , Reply# 55   12/20/2017 at 00:21 (210 days old) by diesirae7 (Central Illinois)        
Be careful...

Watch those raccoons! From what I hear they are going to end the human race in a few shorts years... They are very smart and know what they are doing LOL

Post# 974695 , Reply# 56   12/20/2017 at 00:56 (210 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Racoons ending the human race--no wonder why they are hunted around here and in other states!Get your "coon" lights out!and those coon callers!

Post# 974701 , Reply# 57   12/20/2017 at 01:54 (210 days old) by SudsMaster (East of SF, West of Eden, California)        

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If I lived in bear country, I'd get some bear-proof compost bins. Or bear-proof enclosures to put the plastic bins inside.


Raccoons are dangerous animals. My neighbor's miniature dogs were attacked one night last year in her back yard, on ended up in the vet hospital. She doesn't let them out there at night any more.


If people secured their food garbage and didn't leave pet food outside, the raccoon problem would be reduced.


PS-At a compost website I have visited, some people say they have rigged up a garbage disposer near their compost bin - they take the food scraps out there and run them through the disposer, which is mounted over a bucket. Then  the bucket content goes into the bin. It's an interesting idea, however, I have found, other than bones, the bacteria, fungus, beetles, and worms make short work of most food scraps anyway. Most important is to layer the food scraps between layers of "brown" such as dry leaves, hay, or hedge clippings. This mixture promotes aerobic bacteria as well as the variety of microbes needed for efficient decomposition. The resultant compost usually has the texture and aroma of rich loam, and plants love it.


I've read that raccoons, which are native to the Americas, have become quite a problem in Europe, where they were imported by foolish people who let them go.



Post# 974710 , Reply# 58   12/20/2017 at 06:29 (210 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Outside "dispoer" Just get a good Chipper/shredder.these make good work of anything you could throw into a compost pile.My Mom and StepDad used to have a compost pile.they had a chipper/shredder-I used it to grind up whatever they wanted to put in the pile.The compost made GREAT mulch for their gardens.Yes,even the grass clippings were thrown in!

Post# 974712 , Reply# 59   12/20/2017 at 06:33 (209 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Raccoons are hunted not for meat-but their pelts-pelt buyers pay good dollars for pelts that are in good condition-no large bullet holes.Pelt hunters use traps to catch the raccoons-then shoot them thru the head to save the pelts.Done a lot here.May sound sort of gruesome but keeps them at bay.

Post# 974714 , Reply# 60   12/20/2017 at 06:38 (209 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

As I typed my other entry-thought of a raccoon incident when I first started working in Greenville.I was driving in for the mid shift and hit a raccoon with my car.The next morning when I left--Someone skinned it for the pelt-one rather "nude" raccoon was left by the road!Other creatures took care of it-natures Disposers!Other raccoons,possums,bears,vultures.

Post# 974723 , Reply# 61   12/20/2017 at 08:33 (209 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
The problem with bears is not bear proofing enclosures...

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It's that they are attracted to the scent, stick around and attack and kill people.

Here in Cheyenne, we recently had a number of smaller dogs and rabbits go missing. 'Smaller dogs' being defined as 'smaller than a rottweiler'. Turns out there was more than one mountain lion living in the middle of town.

Composting of vegetation is an excellent thing. Of foods which attract bears, not so much.

Oh, yeah, raccoons. They're taking over Germany. It's a really good example of what happens when you have an imported species and not enough (or no) indigenous predators. What makes things worse - a lot of kids find them 'cute' and they're smart enough not to attack the kids. Like the coyote mothers bringing their pups (that's the right term, dahlinks, coyotes, not wolves here) to school yards in LA to entice the kids into feeding them and, well, gosh. We're not the only invasive species on the planet. 

Post# 974748 , Reply# 62   12/20/2017 at 10:07 (209 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        

when I owned a now-deceased Rhodesian Ridgeback dog, we had no raccoon problem: he killed dozens of them, just for fun. Now that he died, they are coming back.

ps to Panthera; aus, ausser, bei, mit, nach, seit, von, zu brauchen immer DATIV..... ;) Amis müssen ihre Präpositionen auswenden lernen.

Post# 974750 , Reply# 63   12/20/2017 at 10:23 (209 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
German prepositions, sigh.

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I doubt I could learn German or English as foreign languages, I'm just not that bright.

Post# 974826 , Reply# 64   12/21/2017 at 02:11 (209 days old) by SudsMaster (East of SF, West of Eden, California)        

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Multiple topics to address:


1) Chipper-shredder: I've had a 6 HP Patriot chipper-shredder for nearly 20 years now. It's essential for processing various garden and landscape trimmings, which are mainly the english ivy that has infested three side fences on the property. It's a noxious weed, but it does afford some privacy and it also makes excellent compost. If shredded. I *might* use the chipper/shredder for post processing finished compost to deal with any bones that linger, but it's far too much of a PITA to haul it out of its cover and run it just to shred some kitchen scraps. But like I said, it's not really necessary to pulverize meats/etc to get them to decompose. It's the leaves and stems that need the reduction.


Good compost requires both nitrogen rich and carbon rich ingredients. Dead leaves are a good source of carbon ("brown"). Recently living leaves provide nitrogen; meat and animal remains are even better for that ("Green"). Back when I as planning my compost strategy, I consulted a number of sources. Dedicated compost advocates have no problem with adding meat etc. to compost bins. The extremists will even add human solid waste. I'm not about to do that!


People who clutch their pearls over the prospect of adding meat to compost bins or piles: where to they think wild animals go when they die? Sure, some wind up scavenged, but scavengers don't get everything, and natural decomposition of dead animals enriches the soil. I've read that river salmon wind up fertilizing forests - the bears catch the spawning salmon, take them into the forest, eat mostly fat rich skin and eggs, and discard the rest to enrich the forest floor. And then we all know what else bears do in the woods.


2) Raccoon pelts: it's illegal in this state (California), without the proper license (presumably a fur-trapping one) to kill a depredating raccoon for its pelt or meat. I imagine fur-trapping licenses are difficult to obtain.


3) Dogs as raccoon control: Not sure I'd want to subject a dog to the fangs and claws of a wild raccoon. But I applaud that canine anyway.


4) Meat etc in compost bins - if done properly, it should not emit off odors to attract large scavengers. There is both an art and a science to it. Still, bears will dig for grubs, so who knows? As far as attracting bears that then attack people: if the bears don't get rewarded with scraps they probably will stop coming around. They are not stupid animals.

Post# 974854 , Reply# 65   12/21/2017 at 09:21 (208 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Rich nailed it in #4

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Rich wrote:

'Meat etc in compost bins - if done properly, it should not emit off odors to attract large scavengers. There is both an art and a science to it. Still, bears will dig for grubs, so who knows? As far as attracting bears that then attack people: if the bears don't get rewarded with scraps they probably will stop coming around. They are not stupid animals.'


Bears' noses are going to beat any reasonable (or unreasonably thorough) sealing system for garbage. They're not a problem here in the middle of town, but we have people attacked and killed by them regularly, so it's a genuine concern. The way to prevent it is not to tempt them. They don't come around then. As much. Interesting animals and nearly everything people 'know' about them who don't live in bear country is wrong, wrong, wrong. I remember in school having to describe the 'current' range of the grizzly bear ending in Cody Wyoming back in the early 1970s on an exam...whilst the local newspapers were full of the death of a young couple from a thoroughly documented grizzly attack just up a canyon in our town nearly 400 miles to the south of the very, absolute last tip of the ultimate range of that bear.

We have deer, antelope, mountain lions, a slowly recovering fox population and raccoons to deal with in the middle of town every single winter. No reason to add in bears. Even mountain lions will back off if they calculate the risk outweighs the food. Not so bears.


Compost is a wonderful thing. So are garbage disposers.

Post# 974931 , Reply# 66   12/21/2017 at 20:33 (208 days old) by SudsMaster (East of SF, West of Eden, California)        

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Been watching "Alaskan Bush People", and their second home was on an island in the Alaskan peninsula that has some of the highest concentration of bears. None of the family ever got attacked by bears, but their house was broken into at least twice by bears while they were off the island. But these people were very bear savvy and knew how to discourage them. And they always went hiking in pairs and armed. Well, almost. The oldest son is a bit crazy and would go off alone, and one of the last episodes saw him getting injured by explosives he said he was preparing to use to repel the bears.


I've back packed extensively in the Sierra Nevada - alone and unarmed - and knew how to avoid bear confrontations. Hang your food as high as possible every night, bury your own scat, etc. However, the bears here are "black bears", which are smaller and less aggressive than "brown bears" or grizzly bears. Basic lessons: don't leave food out for bears; never try to take food from a bear; never get in between a mother bear and her cubs; never run from a bear; make lots of noise on the trail so any bears know you are coming. Nearly all of them would rather avoid contact with humans. I don't blame them!


Post# 975172 , Reply# 67   12/23/2017 at 14:26 (206 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains )        

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I have a old 1970 Wasteking SS3000 . Its a 1/2 Hp cast steel grind ring .Stainless steel everything else . The disposer also

has under-cutters below the flywheel. 

Waste-king and Old Maytags and Old G.E. disposers are by far the best disposer I have ever used and I have owned over 200 different brands.

The ones out today are junk compared to what the used to make. I have never had a clog with those three brands

and I put everything down mine.

The I.S.E. Excel is pretty good but so $$$ and my old ones still grind much finer.

Hit me up if you need any help..


Post# 978472 , Reply# 68   1/15/2018 at 15:59 (183 days old) by dylanmitchell (San Diego, CA)        

Thoughts on replacing a badger with 5 with the Evolution Compact supposed to match up with the Badger plumbing dimensions vs the Evolution Excel or Waste King 8000 for a two-person home with moderately sized (not super small or super big) under sink area?
Looks like company evolution would fit in with existing plumbing for badger and hold up to our small house use.

Post# 978476 , Reply# 69   1/15/2018 at 16:25 (183 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        

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The Evolution will fit those parameters nicely. Don't expect the plumbing to ever line up perfectly - it rarely does!

However, thanks to the flexible connections now sold by The Home Depot (and others), it's easy to correct even a major mis-match.


Post# 978516 , Reply# 70   1/16/2018 at 00:04 (183 days old) by dylanmitchell (San Diego, CA)        

Thanks panthera. Home improvements projects usually take some fudging to get it to work so no big deal there.

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