Thread Number: 73660
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
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Post# 972689   12/9/2017 at 22:17 (2,301 days old) by Infusor (Usa)   |   | |
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Did some digging and found this on facebook, from alliance indonesia facebook page. Thought id share, wash action looks anemic 😢 CLICK HERE TO GO TO Infusor's LINK |
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Post# 972698 , Reply# 1   12/9/2017 at 22:41 (2,301 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 972707 , Reply# 2   12/9/2017 at 23:35 (2,301 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 972708 , Reply# 3   12/9/2017 at 23:35 (2,301 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit)   |   | |
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Post# 972711 , Reply# 4   12/9/2017 at 23:40 (2,301 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 972712 , Reply# 5   12/9/2017 at 23:43 (2,301 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit)   |   | |
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Post# 972714 , Reply# 6   12/9/2017 at 23:46 (2,301 days old) by man114 (Buffalo)   |   | |
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Doesn't seem as aggressive on clothes but still looks to use quite a bit of water. |
Post# 972719 , Reply# 8   12/10/2017 at 00:12 (2,300 days old) by johnrk (BP TX)   |   | |
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the people at Alliance intentionally introducing a machine that would not wash as well as the current machine. I have no problem waiting, either. Simply because it's different doesn't mean it's worse. |
Post# 972720 , Reply# 9   12/10/2017 at 00:25 (2,300 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Welcome.
I agree, the camera look could have been better. A good 10 minutes is needed to see how it really rolls over and washes. I have a feeling the motor does some serious acceleration on heavy loads which would really get things going. My guess is that the boency the tech talked about is also carried over into the wash- the machine will know how much is in there and thus how hard to agitate it. |
Post# 972722 , Reply# 10   12/10/2017 at 00:49 (2,300 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit)   |   | |
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Post# 972725 , Reply# 11   12/10/2017 at 01:27 (2,300 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Post# 972726 , Reply# 12   12/10/2017 at 01:33 (2,300 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 972727 , Reply# 13   12/10/2017 at 01:46 (2,300 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit)   |   | |
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Post# 972728 , Reply# 14   12/10/2017 at 01:50 (2,300 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit)   |   | |
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Post# 972733 , Reply# 15   12/10/2017 at 03:05 (2,300 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Thanks for finding and posting the video, Keith! Have been waiting to see what the new wash action looks like. This post was last edited 12/10/2017 at 03:41 |
Post# 972736 , Reply# 16   12/10/2017 at 05:31 (2,300 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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They could have kept everything (trans, break, ect) and installed a variable speed motor like GE did:
drive.google.com/file/d/0BzIiBNw... This way they can do a slow spin to wet the clothes, then a controlled agitation on low water. The more I think about this the more I am starting to feel iffy about the design choice. I mean other manufactures in the same position have done everything else besides an agi tub when faced with the same challenge. In regard to the DOE regs, my best guess is that the other cycles can still do a deep fill. Honestly, had it not been for all these regs, I think transmissions would have been around much longer for many manufacturers. |
Post# 972743 , Reply# 18   12/10/2017 at 06:25 (2,300 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 972748 , Reply# 19   12/10/2017 at 07:18 (2,300 days old) by thefisch (Florida)   |   | |
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What is the decibel difference between the 2017 and 2018 SQ TL? Guess I am used to hearing washing machines running so you know they're on and when they're done. |
Post# 972771 , Reply# 21   12/10/2017 at 10:16 (2,300 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Thank you for making this available for no FB users.
I imagine this was slanted to make the SQ look much better than the competition. Very much like the 1957 "sand test" of the Westinghouse Laundromat vs. the solid tub top loaders with the timed fill and no0t getting adequate water to wash the clothes plus sand disposal of sold tub machines is nil compared to the perforated Laundromat. Bet everything was chosen on the "label" of the cycle rather than what/how the cycle executes its function. I mean I don't use "normal" for any of my laundry or dishes as it's the cycle intended for energy star regulation passage vs. more appropriate cycle performance for better cleaning. I use the cycle that gives me the needed higher performance results. Whether that be jean, allergene, bulky items, whites of laundry and auto wash with high temp or pots and pans on the dishwasher. I would imagine the test purposely chose an inappropriate cycle on the Whirlpool for a load that has jeans and towels and sweaters in it. Besides, I'd never put all those various fabrics in the same load anyway. I'm not stupid when it comes to laundry. Bulky would have probably been far more appropriate for that load. |
Post# 972779 , Reply# 22   12/10/2017 at 11:08 (2,300 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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I doubt the SQ's Normal Eco cycle was used on the load with the sweaters. Those few items were floating around in an ocean of water.
As for the dry spots in some of the items that emerged from the Whirlpool: That happened regularly with my Frigdaire Immersion Care---not because the items weren't fully saturated during the wash/rinse portions of the cycle, but because of air currents during very long, high-speed final spins. It's great that the redesigned SQ will most likely be even more trouble-free without a transmission, etc., and I'd love a washer that operates at 43 decibels...but as John L. mentioned, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if users find that cleaning ability has been compromised when it comes to heavily-soiled BobLoads. I'm glad my sister and I have 2017's. |
Post# 972785 , Reply# 23   12/10/2017 at 11:26 (2,300 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)   |   | |
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Thanks to Keith for finding the video and Richard for making it available on YouTube.
I thought one of the new 2018 requirements is that the machines had to use less water. So are they thinking that this design will look the same to the average consumer (still has the agitator) but can actually fill with less water given the gentler action?
I would guess that it could still clean OK as long as the longer cycle times are selected. Of course short cycle times are one of the big advantages of the old school top loaders. There are a lot of people these days who never get dirty (office jobs, hiring out yard work, etc.) and they may not even notice!
Jury is definitely still out for me... |
Post# 972793 , Reply# 24   12/10/2017 at 11:42 (2,300 days old) by Infusor (Usa)   |   | |
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The rep in kirks video did say washability was 8 percent better thsn the outgoing model, even though it is an "agi tub" it did look like the agitator was still doing most of the work. |
Post# 972802 , Reply# 25   12/10/2017 at 12:41 (2,300 days old) by Infusor (Usa)   |   | |
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Another new video from kirk, more in depth explaining wash action. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Infusor's LINK |
Post# 972806 , Reply# 27   12/10/2017 at 12:59 (2,300 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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I did watch the video and had a few various thoughts, The wash action doesn't look to be very powerful for a big heavy duty load of towels jeans etc. I would want to get the TOL model if I was going to buy this type of machine. For heavy soiled loads you would probably need the prewash / soak and extended wash time! I think they could have made this same design with a more powerful water force maybe with fins on the tub itself and or a better restyled agitator to give a more forceful wash action! As for all these new top load design machines - I think the LG washes the best but the speed queen is the most durable of all!
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Post# 972812 , Reply# 28   12/10/2017 at 13:34 (2,300 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)   |   | |
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Keith, thanks for posting that link, great video, answers a lot of questions.
For those most interested in the wash action change explanation, go to the 34:00 minute mark.
19% less fabric damage and 4.7% better wash quality in exchange for "slightly longer" cycle times.
Now...who do you believe...? LOL.
Jury still out...
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Post# 972874 , Reply# 32   12/10/2017 at 18:12 (2,300 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)   |   | |
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Quite honestly, I feel that this machine requires a catalyst-esque pretreatment phase. This would push down the clothes and remove all air from clothes. This also should improve cleaning and would be a nice option. It would be worth adding to the machines. |
Post# 972875 , Reply# 33   12/10/2017 at 18:19 (2,300 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Watching some of the demo videos form training and such, the action reminds me of how the clothes were moved with Norge Timeline washers in the 1950s. Not much rollover but managed to clean very effectively based upon testing from CR. But I still think a front loader is better than this.
Also noted they suggested using liquid detergents. I personally thinhk powders are better. Plus liquids are extremely difficult for me to see the markings in the little cap. I end up over or under dosing I am sure. |
Post# 972899 , Reply# 36   12/10/2017 at 21:27 (2,300 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Post# 972928 , Reply# 37   12/11/2017 at 01:01 (2,299 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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At no point in this will I fault Speed Queen. They did their best IMO and kept the longevity. As for wash-ability, what ever happens, happens. There is nothing you can do when the government starts breathing down your neck. From the sound of it these changes are indeed mandatory. And as such Speed Queen is forced to pick the lesser of several evils. While reduced cleaning might be an issue, I am sure they have weighed all the pros and cons of other alternatives such as a total design rebuild or mod shifters and brakes. Yes these will produce better cleaning, but there is the added cost of R&D, and something as simple as a mod sifter or break is a massive gamble especially when you need to heavily dismantle the washer for anything other than a motor or belt. Remember these washers aren't just for resi- but commercial where they will take massive amounts of abuse. Yes there is the rumor transmissions will stay for the commercial and foreign market, but I can't see that lasting for ever. Having two designs is more burden then just one, especially when that one design is using parts from front loads like the motor and inverter.
They know they are making many hard painful decisions, as did Whirlpool and GE. Trust me, I am certain manufactures hate these mandates as much as we do. No one wants to deal with consumer complaints, bad publicity, or 'oh, we should have done it this way instead' As much as I LOVE toploaders, and as much as top loaders have several distinct advantages over front loads (such as speed), soon or latter we will all switch to front loaders. There is only so much you can do with limited water. I hate saying that, but DOE regs are basically forcing it. |
Post# 972929 , Reply# 38   12/11/2017 at 01:14 (2,299 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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@Maytag85: I agree 100%. Take the light bulb mandates. Mercury that is supposedly saved from coal burning plants is now much closer to our bodies than ever before. Recycling them? HA! Do you have any idea how many people around here throw them out in regular trash? Vacuum them up when they break because thats actually how they fail at the end of life? The fall from anything always takes years to show up. There are people already advocating for toxin exposure in sanitation workers.
If they really wanted to save the environment, mandate a machine that lasts 50 years at not 5. Keep the landfills clean. Invest in education that will produce a workforce to tackle the real issues at hand. Best Leave it here for now. There is so much I can say about those feel good DOE mandates. |
Post# 972952 , Reply# 39   12/11/2017 at 06:44 (2,299 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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Got mixed feelings about that. They used the same board setup as in their frontloads where all the controlls for valves, pump and motor are located on the inverter board. We heared of cases where the pump went out and took that board with it. Part is pretty expensive IIRC. |
Post# 972993 , Reply# 40   12/11/2017 at 11:46 (2,299 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Post# 973007 , Reply# 41   12/11/2017 at 12:56 (2,299 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit)   |   | |
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Post# 973011 , Reply# 42   12/11/2017 at 13:19 (2,299 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 973070 , Reply# 43   12/11/2017 at 17:38 (2,299 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA)   |   | |
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I can't get Kirk's vid on this post. "Vid does not exist." Am I being shunned? |
Post# 973074 , Reply# 44   12/11/2017 at 18:04 (2,299 days old) by Supersurgilator (Indiana)   |   | |
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No, he took them down. I'm assuming maybe they weren't to be made public just yet. |
Post# 973108 , Reply# 45   12/11/2017 at 22:23 (2,299 days old) by DMJacks64 (Bluffton,IN.)   |   | |
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I couldn't get the video to play,either! |
Post# 973124 , Reply# 46   12/11/2017 at 23:29 (2,299 days old) by DMJacks64 (Bluffton,IN.)   |   | |
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I'd still choose SQ over the Whirlpool! |
Post# 973278 , Reply# 49   12/12/2017 at 18:21 (2,298 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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I've been waiting to see this! Next time, I'd like to see a full load of colors with a good quality laundry detergent and fabric softener. The jury is still out. Give it time, guys! CLICK HERE TO GO TO GELaundry4ever's LINK |