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Post# 972689   12/9/2017 at 22:17 by Infusor (Michigan)        

Did some digging and found this on facebook, from alliance indonesia facebook page. Thought id share, wash action looks anemic 😢

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Post# 972698 , Reply# 1   12/9/2017 at 22:41 by chetlaham (United States)        

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Man, we really do dig for stuff lol. Great find Infusor! :) I'll hold off on comments and let others decide first.

Post# 972707 , Reply# 2   12/9/2017 at 23:35 by appnut (TX)        

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I can't see since I don't have Facebook :-(

 


Post# 972708 , Reply# 3   12/9/2017 at 23:35 by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        
Ummm,

I really do like the new Maytag...


Post# 972711 , Reply# 4   12/9/2017 at 23:40 by chetlaham (United States)        

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@Appnut: trust the wise, you are not missing anything.

Post# 972712 , Reply# 5   12/9/2017 at 23:43 by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        
Facebook

I'm going to repost it to my YouTube account shortly.

Post# 972714 , Reply# 6   12/9/2017 at 23:46 by man114 (Buffalo)        

Doesn't seem as aggressive on clothes but still looks to use quite a bit of water.

Post# 972716 , Reply# 7   12/9/2017 at 23:58 by Infusor (Michigan)        

Thx chetleham, i'm going to hold off on judgement just yet because everytine the clothes moved in the video the camera would focus on something else, the very first video i saw of the prototype frigidaire immersion care looked terrible but that actually wasn't a bad machine rollover wise compared to a new cabrio, in the background of the video on the jeans load you can hear the speed queen agitating pretty fast which the video did not show, the training video from kirk on youtube earlier did say washibilty was actually 8 percent better than the outgoing model, we will see.

Post# 972719 , Reply# 8   12/10/2017 at 00:12 by johnrk (BP TX)        
I Can't See

the people at Alliance intentionally introducing a machine that would not wash as well as the current machine. I have no problem waiting, either. Simply because it's different doesn't mean it's worse.

Post# 972720 , Reply# 9   12/10/2017 at 00:25 by chetlaham (United States)        

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Welcome.



I agree, the camera look could have been better. A good 10 minutes is needed to see how it really rolls over and washes. I have a feeling the motor does some serious acceleration on heavy loads which would really get things going. My guess is that the boency the tech talked about is also carried over into the wash- the machine will know how much is in there and thus how hard to agitate it.


Post# 972722 , Reply# 10   12/10/2017 at 00:49 by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        
YouTube

Here it is on YouTube, Appnut. (And for all others who don't have a FB account, I don't either but I downloaded it)






Post# 972725 , Reply# 11   12/10/2017 at 01:27 by Maytag85 (Sean 1976 YouTube, hotrodsean1972 Instagram)        

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The wash action in the new 2018 Speed Queen looks pretty enemic. Speed Queen should not listen to the EPA/DOE, they should listen to the consumer and give them what they want.

Fake Wahing Machines (TM) is are only in 2018...


Post# 972726 , Reply# 12   12/10/2017 at 01:33 by chetlaham (United States)        
Not listen

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Is that even possible? I've always understood that the requirements were mandatory.

Post# 972727 , Reply# 13   12/10/2017 at 01:46 by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        

If SQ really wanted to, technically they could have taken the old 432 and made the Normal/Eco cycle a small fill w/ a minute of slow agitation (and the spray rinse) and it would have passed DOE standards whilst not damaging the machine too much.

Post# 972728 , Reply# 14   12/10/2017 at 01:50 by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        
This brings up a Question,

How can Maytag's new washer pass EPA/DOE regs?

Post# 972733 , Reply# 15   12/10/2017 at 03:05 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Thanks for finding and posting the video, Keith! Have been waiting to see what the new wash action looks like.

Food for thought: Remake the video using a 2017 SQ on the left and the 2018 SQ redesign on the right. Which machine's wash action would receive the panel's endorsement?

I think we know the answer to that question. 😉




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Post# 972736 , Reply# 16   12/10/2017 at 05:31 by chetlaham (United States)        
If SQ really wanted to...

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They could have kept everything (trans, break, ect) and installed a variable speed motor like GE did:



drive.google.com/file/d/0BzIiBNw...



This way they can do a slow spin to wet the clothes, then a controlled agitation on low water.


The more I think about this the more I am starting to feel iffy about the design choice. I mean other manufactures in the same position have done everything else besides an agi tub when faced with the same challenge.


In regard to the DOE regs, my best guess is that the other cycles can still do a deep fill. Honestly, had it not been for all these regs, I think transmissions would have been around much longer for many manufacturers.


Post# 972739 , Reply# 17   12/10/2017 at 06:18 by tolivac (greenville nc)        

The video gives too short of shots of the washers in use.Can't make a full judgement here-although from what little I could see #2 was better than #1.#1 was good at making "whipped Wash" as opposed to #2.I am guessing #2 is the new SQ Agitub machine.
I also feel SQ should say to heck with EPA and explain to them why EPA's regs aren't going to work in the real world and give consumers what they really want.A washer that washes in real loads of water!Ditch the agitub desing and stick with the traditional designs.And keep the mechanical control washers for those that prefer mechanical controls-and figure those could be less expensive.I just hope the new SQ electronic controls are "hardnened" against lightening and power surges-and use Mil Spec boards.For their price they should be!I can't always be around to remember to unplug electronic control machines when thunderstorms come.


Post# 972743 , Reply# 18   12/10/2017 at 06:25 by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
All Things Considered...

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It certainly did outperform the whirlpool they put it up against. And I do think a top loader that operates at 43 decibels is huge. I just wonder how the cycles have changed from what we are accustomed to from speed queen.

Malcolm


Post# 972748 , Reply# 19   12/10/2017 at 07:18 by thefisch (Florida)        

What is the decibel difference between the 2017 and 2018 SQ TL? Guess I am used to hearing washing machines running so you know they're on and when they're done.

Post# 972758 , Reply# 20   12/10/2017 at 08:22 by Gyrafoam (Roanoke, VA)        

Interesting collection of people's "pet rocks" assembled to judge the two. I wonder what kind of anesthesia they used on them?

I think John Lefever made the best description so far. He would also be likely to think along the lines most of us do when making a comparison, taking into account, of course, our individual prejudices.

I'm quite happy to keep my (now, old-style) SQ.
If I HAD to get a 2018 it would likely be the "Commercial" Maytag based on what I have seen at this point.


Post# 972771 , Reply# 21   12/10/2017 at 10:16 by appnut (TX)        

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Thank you for making this available for no FB users. 

 

I imagine this was slanted to make the SQ look much better than the competition.  Very much like the 1957 "sand test" of the Westinghouse Laundromat vs. the solid tub top loaders with the timed fill and no0t getting adequate water to wash the clothes plus sand disposal of sold tub machines is nil compared to the perforated Laundromat.  Bet everything was chosen on the "label" of the cycle rather than what/how the cycle executes its function.  I mean I don't use "normal" for any of my laundry or dishes as it's the cycle intended for energy star regulation passage vs. more appropriate cycle performance for better cleaning.  I use the cycle that gives me the needed higher performance results.  Whether that be jean, allergene, bulky items, whites of laundry and auto wash with high temp or pots and pans on the dishwasher.  I would imagine the test purposely chose an inappropriate cycle on the Whirlpool for a load that has jeans and towels and sweaters in it.  Besides, I'd never put all those various fabrics in the same load anyway.  I'm not stupid when it comes to laundry.  Bulky would have probably been far more appropriate for that load. 


Post# 972779 , Reply# 22   12/10/2017 at 11:08 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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I doubt the SQ's Normal Eco cycle was used on the load with the sweaters. Those few items were floating around in an ocean of water.

As for the dry spots in some of the items that emerged from the Whirlpool: That happened regularly with my Frigdaire Immersion Care---not because the items weren't fully saturated during the wash/rinse portions of the cycle, but because of air currents during very long, high-speed final spins.

It's great that the redesigned SQ will most likely be even more trouble-free without a transmission, etc., and I'd love a washer that operates at 43 decibels...but as John L. mentioned, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if users find that cleaning ability has been compromised when it comes to heavily-soiled BobLoads.

I'm glad my sister and I have 2017's.


Post# 972785 , Reply# 23   12/10/2017 at 11:26 by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        

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Thanks to Keith for finding the video and Richard for making it available on YouTube.

 

I thought one of the new 2018 requirements is that the machines had to use less water.  So are they thinking that this design will look the same to the average consumer (still has the agitator) but can actually fill with less water given the gentler action?

 

I would guess that it could still clean OK as long as the longer cycle times are selected.  Of course short cycle times are one of the big advantages of the old school top loaders.   There are a lot of people these days who never get dirty (office jobs, hiring out yard work, etc.) and they may not even notice!

 

Jury is definitely still out for me...


Post# 972793 , Reply# 24   12/10/2017 at 11:42 by Infusor (Michigan)        

The rep in kirks video did say washability was 8 percent better thsn the outgoing model, even though it is an "agi tub" it did look like the agitator was still doing most of the work.

Post# 972802 , Reply# 25   12/10/2017 at 12:41 by Infusor (Michigan)        

Another new video from kirk, more in depth explaining wash action.

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Post# 972805 , Reply# 26   12/10/2017 at 12:53 by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
new speed queens

I'd personally go for the tr7 and dr7 matching electric pair. I can't wait until Kirk puts this washer through its paces! I have volunteered with Kirk in 2009 when I was in high school. One thing they could've done was to add the water circulation pump for even more superior saturation. Just saying.

Post# 972806 , Reply# 27   12/10/2017 at 12:59 by peteski50 (New York)        
Speed Queen 2018 top load!

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I did watch the video and had a few various thoughts, The wash action doesn't look to be very powerful for a big heavy duty load of towels jeans etc. I would want to get the TOL model if I was going to buy this type of machine. For heavy soiled loads you would probably need the prewash / soak and extended wash time! I think they could have made this same design with a more powerful water force maybe with fins on the tub itself and or a better restyled agitator to give a more forceful wash action! As for all these new top load design machines - I think the LG washes the best but the speed queen is the most durable of all!


Post# 972812 , Reply# 28   12/10/2017 at 13:34 by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        

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Keith, thanks for posting that link, great video, answers a lot of questions.

 

For those most interested in the wash action change explanation, go to the 34:00 minute mark.

 

19% less fabric damage and 4.7% better wash quality in exchange for "slightly longer" cycle times.

 

Now...who do you believe...?  LOL.

 

Jury still out...

 

 

 


Post# 972819 , Reply# 29   12/10/2017 at 14:24 by Gyrafoam (Roanoke, VA)        

The Alliance people are certainly pouring out the money to "sell" the new product. Of course, the easiest people to sell something to ----are sales people.

Now that I've watched this video, I am convinced that they are willing to jeopardize all they have worked for just to shake-down the public in what most certainly will end-up their last hurrah in top-loaders.


Post# 972829 , Reply# 30   12/10/2017 at 15:01 by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
speed queen quality and energy star

I believe speed queen was forced to comply with the energy star compliant guidelines for 2018, while at the same time keeping the same design with different changes including the auto load sensing, motor and lid lock as well as eliminating the transmission. I hope they do a side by side comparison of their newest models compared to their older models like GE did.

Post# 972866 , Reply# 31   12/10/2017 at 17:01 by Huebschman (Quebec, CA)        
Wash agitation

Satisfactory agitation from the videos that I've seen but I fail to see how this machine will bring my big winter coat , will all the air pockets that are generated with the fill of the machine, down in the bottom of the tub as it does now. Like with a dual agitator, a big part of it will float at the top throughout the cycle and not get washed. The agitator they have been using has been around since the 60's and pulls clothes down, Now the largest laundry equipment manufacture lets it down. A shame. Can"t wait to see it in action with these types of clothes... hope I'm wrong,,,

Post# 972874 , Reply# 32   12/10/2017 at 18:12 by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
Miss ingredient

Quite honestly, I feel that this machine requires a catalyst-esque pretreatment phase. This would push down the clothes and remove all air from clothes. This also should improve cleaning and would be a nice option. It would be worth adding to the machines.

Post# 972875 , Reply# 33   12/10/2017 at 18:19 by appnut (TX)        

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Watching some of the demo videos form training and such, the action reminds me of how the clothes were moved with Norge Timeline washers in the 1950s.  Not much rollover but managed to clean very effectively based upon testing from CR.  But I still think a front loader is better than this. 

 

Also noted they suggested using liquid detergents.  I personally thinhk powders are better.  Plus liquids are extremely difficult for me to see the markings in the little cap.  I end up over or under dosing I am sure. 


Post# 972879 , Reply# 34   12/10/2017 at 19:21 by thefisch (Florida)        

Watched all the videos but got the most out of the sales video. The variable speed motor is impressive - I have one of those for my pool pump motor and they are quiet and last a long time. The only thing that concerns me is that they made it 'smarter' and rely on sensors more. Will be interesting to see the feedback on washing performance after this gets into consumer's hands.

Post# 972890 , Reply# 35   12/10/2017 at 20:43 by washman (Butler, PA)        
Interesting

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I will withhold judgment until it gets in the hands of actual users.  Still, if I had one, I would figure out how to defeat the lid lock so I could film and upload to youtube.

 

At any rate, I'm keeping my AWN542 until the cows come home or I pass away, whichever comes first. I love it more than life itself.

 

Finally, this whole redesign just solidifies why I detest the meddlesome DOE.

 

At some point they'll go after dryers................


Post# 972899 , Reply# 36   12/10/2017 at 21:27 by Maytag85 (Sean 1976 YouTube, hotrodsean1972 Instagram)        

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All the EPA/DOE does is solve one problem, and creates a hundred others in its place.

Post# 972928 , Reply# 37   12/11/2017 at 01:01 by chetlaham (United States)        
Who's fault

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At no point in this will I fault Speed Queen. They did their best IMO and kept the longevity. As for wash-ability, what ever happens, happens. There is nothing you can do when the government starts breathing down your neck. From the sound of it these changes are indeed mandatory. And as such Speed Queen is forced to pick the lesser of several evils. While reduced cleaning might be an issue, I am sure they have weighed all the pros and cons of other alternatives such as a total design rebuild or mod shifters and brakes. Yes these will produce better cleaning, but there is the added cost of R&D, and something as simple as a mod sifter or break is a massive gamble especially when you need to heavily dismantle the washer for anything other than a motor or belt. Remember these washers aren't just for resi- but commercial where they will take massive amounts of abuse. Yes there is the rumor transmissions will stay for the commercial and foreign market, but I can't see that lasting for ever. Having two designs is more burden then just one, especially when that one design is using parts from front loads like the motor and inverter.


They know they are making many hard painful decisions, as did Whirlpool and GE. Trust me, I am certain manufactures hate these mandates as much as we do. No one wants to deal with consumer complaints, bad publicity, or 'oh, we should have done it this way instead'



As much as I LOVE toploaders, and as much as top loaders have several distinct advantages over front loads (such as speed), soon or latter we will all switch to front loaders. There is only so much you can do with limited water. I hate saying that, but DOE regs are basically forcing it.


Post# 972929 , Reply# 38   12/11/2017 at 01:14 by chetlaham (United States)        

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@Maytag85: I agree 100%. Take the light bulb mandates. Mercury that is supposedly saved from coal burning plants is now much closer to our bodies than ever before. Recycling them? HA! Do you have any idea how many people around here throw them out in regular trash? Vacuum them up when they break because thats actually how they fail at the end of life? The fall from anything always takes years to show up. There are people already advocating for toxin exposure in sanitation workers.



If they really wanted to save the environment, mandate a machine that lasts 50 years at not 5. Keep the landfills clean. Invest in education that will produce a workforce to tackle the real issues at hand.

Best Leave it here for now. There is so much I can say about those feel good DOE mandates.


Post# 972952 , Reply# 39   12/11/2017 at 06:44 by henene4 (Germany)        
The inverter board

Got mixed feelings about that. They used the same board setup as in their frontloads where all the controlls for valves, pump and motor are located on the inverter board.

We heared of cases where the pump went out and took that board with it. Part is pretty expensive IIRC.


Post# 972993 , Reply# 40   12/11/2017 at 11:46 by Maytag85 (Sean 1976 YouTube, hotrodsean1972 Instagram)        

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I would EOL a HE washer like Shango066 EOLs newer televisions.

Post# 973007 , Reply# 41   12/11/2017 at 12:56 by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        
Maytag85

A guy on YouTube, "Aussie50" from Australia has destroyed Euro style FL machines by removing counterweights and controlling the motor directly with a variac and then throwing large heavy objects inside them.

Post# 973011 , Reply# 42   12/11/2017 at 13:19 by chetlaham (United States)        

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And yet as bad as it is, they don't blow like Samsungs lol.

Post# 973070 , Reply# 43   12/11/2017 at 17:38 by cuffs054 (GA)        

I can't get Kirk's vid on this post. "Vid does not exist." Am I being shunned?surprised


Post# 973074 , Reply# 44   12/11/2017 at 18:04 by Supersurgilator (Indiana)        

No, he took them down. I'm assuming maybe they weren't to be made public just yet.

Post# 973108 , Reply# 45   12/11/2017 at 22:23 by DMJacks64 (Bluffton,IN.)        

I couldn't get the video to play,either!

Post# 973124 , Reply# 46   12/11/2017 at 23:29 by DMJacks64 (Bluffton,IN.)        

I'd still choose SQ over the Whirlpool!

Post# 973134 , Reply# 47   12/12/2017 at 00:00 by johnrk (BP TX)        
I Wonder Whether All These Histrionics

happened when Speed Queen went to a perforated tub. Or when Hotpoint got rid of their solid tub. Do you think people went gaga over it and predicted the end of clean laundry? I don't know, as I was solidly in the Filter-Flo camp by then, and Lord knows enough people on here don't think much of those...

Post# 973138 , Reply# 48   12/12/2017 at 00:35 by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
new speed queen

I can't wait until you put this new 2018 speed queen through its paces! I'd like to see it put through a real life test. If you have a premium HE laundry detergent and matching liquid fabric softener, I'd like to see it in use with a big dirty load of colors on the full load size with heavy duty cycle on the highest soil level possible. It could just be a full load of colors with the recommended amount of HE laundry detergent and fabric softener that aren't really super dirty, but it would be nice so we can see what this machine can do.
The stunning question is: how well will it wash? We will find out! Stay tuned everybody!


Post# 973278 , Reply# 49   12/12/2017 at 18:21 by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
full cycle video

I've been waiting to see this! Next time, I'd like to see a full load of colors with a good quality laundry detergent and fabric softener. The jury is still out. Give it time, guys!

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Post# 974081 , Reply# 50   12/16/2017 at 17:30 by Huebschman (Quebec, CA)        
2018 sq agitation

Further to
Post# 972866 , Reply# 31 12/10/2017 at 17:01 by Huebschman (Quebec, CA)

Seen all the videos on other threads... don't need to see anymore. This washer will not get nylon winter gears submerged as it won't be able to drag them down. Imagine this machine washing 2 unzipped sleeping bags. Bet you can see in you head the nylon side floating throughout the cycle.

Hope my 2009 Huebsch will take me to 2029.

RIP domestic division of Alliance. Tis, tac, Tic, tac...





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