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Post# 974274   12/17/2017 at 15:59 (183 days old) by wishwash (Illinois)        

I started watching some videos of front load cycles to see how they stack up to what I use now. It seems to me that the Whirlpools waste a lot of time distributing the load before the final spin. Do all front loaders on the market do this, or is this just a Whirlpool thing?



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Post# 974285 , Reply# 1   12/17/2017 at 16:55 (183 days old) by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        

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I think they're all about the same, although our current Affinity FL seems to perform a much longer balancing act than our Duet did.

 

The only exception to this that I'm aware of is Speed Queen.  Per the comments posted by John L. and others, SQ FL machines don't mess around and launch into spin relatively quickly.


Post# 974286 , Reply# 2   12/17/2017 at 17:01 (183 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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there can be a variety of factors as to why a machine may jump right into a spin, while others play around trying to find that sweet spot.....

you can that same load in ten different machines, and get ten different answers....

I do know that my Frigidaire Gallery, after I increased the water level, stopped having balancing issues, one or two reverses, and then takes off.....


Post# 974291 , Reply# 3   12/17/2017 at 17:14 (183 days old) by wishwash (Illinois)        

I'm not really sure why they spend so much time on this. I've seen an he2t in action which spent probably 5-10 minutes re-balancing only to give up and have a shaky spin anyway. Isn't this the exact problem that supposedly damages the machine?

Post# 974315 , Reply# 4   12/17/2017 at 18:49 (183 days old) by superocd (PNW)        

I have a Kenmore (LG) FL and if I had to say something I disliked about it I think it would be how it spins. There's just no rhyme or reason. I've had a load full of denim jeans go into spin relatively quickly while whites (t-shirts, towels and sheets) makes the machine hesitant into spinning. Sometimes it will distribute, ramp up and spin only to stop and start over. It doesn't bother me or my wife a lot, it's just a minor annoyance.

Oh, my other small annoyance would be when it fills. Rapid on-off-on-off-on-off-on-off, on for a short few seconds, off again and then it fills. Don't know why it does this instead of a straight fill. Within a week of getting the FL, I went and bought hammer arrestors.


Post# 974317 , Reply# 5   12/17/2017 at 19:12 (183 days old) by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        

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Our Duet did the on/off fill too.  They marketed it as a "catalyst" wash system where the contents were tumbled in a super concentrated solution that became diluted as the on/off filling sequence continued.

 

Our Affinity seems to use the spin bursts as a way to lighten the load and facilitate balancing in advance of a longer spin.  Sometimes though, it can't even balance well enough to do a burst spin and will give up and start filling for the next sequence.  Only in extreme cases does it give up on attempting a final spin and shut off without executing one.  It has only done that a few times in the nine years we've had it, and it was always when washing throw rugs which now are laundered in the trusty Maytag A712 with the Gentle/Fast wash and spin options selected.


Post# 974329 , Reply# 6   12/17/2017 at 20:08 (183 days old) by washerdude (Canada )        

Owning a WP duet WFW72 (which i have now left behind) and I can say, on most loads, it balances very quickly and would do it in seconds. And other times it would go into a more in depth balancing protocol. Where the tub would go back and forth like seen in the video, this is very helpful for untangling items. On a certain comforter, which was thin, but got heavy with water, it would tangle during the balancing phase and cause the tub to bang. The washer would shut off and the tub would rotate in each direction (as in the video) for a few spins, then continue balancing and then took off. This method works wonders for untangling articles at a important point in the cycle.


Post# 974331 , Reply# 7   12/17/2017 at 20:15 (183 days old) by washerdude (Canada )        

And on the other hand, Samsung FL's are incredibly fussy when it comes to balancing. But they also only turn in one direction when it comes to balancing. If one direction fails, then the tub turns in the opposite direction and repeats until a balance it found, which most of the time, can't manage to do it right on its first attempt.



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Post# 974337 , Reply# 8   12/17/2017 at 20:42 (183 days old) by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        
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I had an LG 3170 that did just what you are describing. But mine sometimes took 3 hrs to complete a load with this pointless hunt for a sweet spot to spin. And I also needed to get water hammer arrestors.

This burst filling process is a waste of time too. I guess its LGís attempt to minimize water usage, but to me its a waste of time. Youíre going to use the water anyway, why not just let the machine add the required amt. all at once. If the machine senses the need for additional water, it can always add some more, but add the majority of the needed water at the beginning.

I couldnít even use the heavy soil level on the cotton cycle. It literally would tumble for 30 mins. with the center of the load not even damp, let alone wet, then as if an after thought in the last 5 mins. it would fill with enough water to finally wet the load, but trust me, there was no splashing going on. I used it this way for 15 mos. before I said enough is enough and got rid of it.

I like FL washers, but until they start to operate more closely to the way they used to Iím not interested in owning another new FL.
Eddie


Post# 974348 , Reply# 9   12/17/2017 at 22:16 (183 days old) by Norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Another reason

I like. Westinghouse laundromat s and. Bendixes. Wham bam and its spinning no fiddling around wasting time

Post# 974354 , Reply# 10   12/17/2017 at 23:09 (183 days old) by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        

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Hans, what you just said gave me a thought, what if some manufacturer of FL machines were to take a cue from the old WP/KM combos in the '60s and incorporate BOTH a suspension and the water ballast balancing system they used.

Instead of waiting forever for the load to be perfectly balanced, balance the tub. With a suspension that WP couldn't have because of Bendix's patents, almost all vibration would be mitigated and a modern 1200 RPM speed should be attainable.

With modern tech water ballasting wouldn't be too hard to execute. It would get rid of this drawn out balancing charade that most modern machines do. The best ideas of old combined.


Post# 974367 , Reply# 11   12/18/2017 at 00:20 (183 days old) by gUShErB (Chicago/NWI)        

The number one thing I truly abhor about modern design washers is the time they waste "balancing" themselves. It's just unbelievably aggravating to sit there and watch it "fail" to go into spin several times, and if the suspension is getting worn or it's an unusual load it could sit there all god damn day trying to balance itself. When I got my SQ I practically popped open a bottle of champagne to celebrate that when it goes into spin it goes into spin and that's it.

Post# 974406 , Reply# 12   12/18/2017 at 07:56 (183 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Miele washers balance fairly quickly. But even the 24" models weigh 220 lbs., don't have gigantic drums and ideally require a stable, concrete floor.

Post# 974518 , Reply# 13   12/18/2017 at 19:22 (182 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, Thereīs a Lady on Stage)        

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Having recently just been under the bonnet so to speak of my OKO-Lavamat you begin to understand the palaver around spin distribution.

Compared to the Miele the AEG (and one assumes this goes for many others) are literally "toys". There is simply not a lot to them structurally so that it won't take much unbalanced spinning to wear things out.

Miele washer of old and even new are substantial pieces of kit. Tub suspended by four heavy springs. Automobile grade shock absorbers, the famous cast iron cradle, and heavy duty bearings/seals add up to a washing machine that is near commercial quality. As such Miele washers are known for being able to spin under even the most challenging loads. It may not like it, and or one shouldn't allow things to go on long enough the washer bashes itself to bits, but there you are.

Everyone else relies more upon avoiding even moderate to perhaps light unbalanced loads it seems. Thus reducing strain, wear and tear.


Post# 974743 , Reply# 14   12/20/2017 at 09:29 (180 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

The maddening thing about the Duet I had was that it might balance beautifully and ramp up to spin, but the water coming out of the fabrics would trip the flood switch which shut down everything but the pump which was too weak to handle the large volume of water as it was spun out. Then it struggled to rebalance everything that had fallen from the tub walls. It was a question of if there were misfeasance, malfeasance or no feasance in designing the machine. If a load were balanced, the machine could have been designed so that the tub could maintain a distribution speed during the pump-out and resume spinning. I like the SQ's and Miele's approaches to distribution for spinning. The more sophisticated variable speed motor in the W1986 has a feed back loop that slows it if there is a huge amount of water being spun out of the load or if the load is not well distributed. It will continue at a lower speed and gradually accelerate as the situation improves. Very often a not-well-distributed load lightens greatly as the water is spun out at slower speeds and can continue on to spin a full speed. I still remember the drama of the Milnors that instantly shifted up to distribution speed before opening the drain valve and how evenly distributed the load was for spin. I wish home machines could have done that.


Post# 974760 , Reply# 15   12/20/2017 at 13:33 (180 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
cabrio's method...

noticed my '10 VMW will stop,refill and run an extra rinse if it cannot balance-this is the only way this He washplate machine can redistribute...Seems to try two extra rinse cycles and if that doesn't do it,runs a lower RPM spin,perhaps ~500 RPM :)

Post# 974763 , Reply# 16   12/20/2017 at 13:48 (180 days old) by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        
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I used to have one of these 10í Cabrios, and mine would refill over and over and over again attempting to balance itself so it could complete the rinse portion of the cycle. If I didnít keep an eye on it this would have gone on forever. The load that always caused a problem was 2 bath towels, 2 hand towels, about a dozen washclothes and 2 or 3 pairs of jeans, all evenly distributed on loading, but the Cabrio would unfailingly manage to unbalance this type of load.

I never had this kind of experience before with any other washer. This machine didnít last too long in our home, too much babysitting for me for a washer that was supposed to be automatic.
Eddie




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Post# 974765 , Reply# 17   12/20/2017 at 14:20 (180 days old) by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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F&P has optional refill for redistribution but only does it once as I recall.

Neptune TL also does it (can't be disabled), possibly twice before asking for help.


Post# 974768 , Reply# 18   12/20/2017 at 14:36 (180 days old) by sPeEDqUeEN (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        
TL Redistribution

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Now if they would only beef up the suspension a little there wouldn't be this much trouble on HE TL machines. I'll never understand why they choose to have that free moving basket other than cost cuts.

Post# 974773 , Reply# 19   12/20/2017 at 16:05 (180 days old) by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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ďNow if they would only beef up the suspension a little there wouldn't be this much trouble on HE TL machines. ď

Iím happy to say that my Maytag MVWC415EW has never had a problem balancing any load, with the exception of one time when I washed the Rubbermaid tub mat with the shower curtain, liner and bathmat. I stopped it, redistributed the load, pushed start and everything was A-OK.

Maybe its the center post of the agipeller that helps to keep the load balanced, I donít know why it always goes into a spin with no balancing problems, but Iím not going to question it, Iíll just appreciate it.
Eddie


Post# 974798 , Reply# 20   12/20/2017 at 19:35 (180 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, Thereīs a Lady on Stage)        
Thank goodness for spin dryers, that's what I say

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For loads one knows from experience the Miele won't like, simply cancel all interim and final spins, then chuck wash into spin dryer.

Tend to do this when washing smaller loads and or things that will cause the machine have large drum movements. Suppose could leave Big Bertha to sort things out on her own, and often she does to some extent. But again after putting >$500 between new shock absorbers and drum suspension (springs), this washer must last several more years to get ROI.

For large bulky items like blankets it is either off to laundromat or haul out the Maytag wringer.


Post# 974846 , Reply# 21   12/21/2017 at 08:11 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
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Interesting.

My Panasonic was washing a load of 4 bathtowels, 2 handtowels, 3 cotton t-shirts, and about 6 pairs of socks on the Cottons 60 deg with 1600rpm spin. Not stuffed full, but about three-quarters of the drum.

The spins between the rinses never happened, extra rinses were inserted.

The final spin was nowhere near the set 1600rpm - it seemed locked about 1000rpm.

When the machine finished, I wasn't happy with the spin efficiency. I reset to spin at 1600rpm - same result, reduced speed. I repeated it again. Again the same result.

Today, I washed a half-load of a pair of jeans, various t-shirts and underwear. The machine performed a fast spin quite quickly.

My machine seems quite incapable of handling a full load of cottons at the specified speeds. I'm not impressed.


Post# 974852 , Reply# 22   12/21/2017 at 09:09 by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Here's the problem.

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Force is mass times acceleration. Centripetal acceleration is equal to v2/r (v=speed, r=radius)* so there's your problem right there: We're talking one heck of a lot of energy to go from a lower spin to a higher spin.

Never mind the enormous amount of energy the object being spun has even at a very slow spin.

Manufacturers can either dimension the machine to handle the tremendous structural load caused by an out of balance spin or use logic to prevent the machine being loaded beyond what a cheap structure can handle.

How they find the right combination between structural components, logic, sensors, anti-vibration devices is all about profit and loss.

Ancient belt drive Whirlpool washers nearly never went out of balance - their mass compensated for just about anything. Ditto the 1970s AEG 800U/min and today's Miele washers. Which also use better logic and sensors.

Pay more, get more. Pay less, get less.

Unfortunately, the manufacturers are locked into a mentality of pay more, get less when it comes to beefing up their machines to handle the spin speeds they're promising.

 

*Before we get into another hysterical centrifugal/centripedal, velocity/ acceleration/speed nonsense discussion, just know that I could not care less and we all played that stupid game 14 years ago. Go look in the archives if you're feeling that 'a'-retentive. The rest of us just want to have some fun.


Post# 974857 , Reply# 23   12/21/2017 at 09:58 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
"manufacturers' mentality of pay more, get less"

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Yes, that seems to be the case these days - right across the board. Everything is flimsily made.

Post# 974858 , Reply# 24   12/21/2017 at 10:08 by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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Well my Maytag Centennial HE TL wasnít an expensive washer and as far as spinning and balancing dependably it performs just like a washer from the old days before so many became particular about performing these essential functions.

So I donít neccesarily agree that it is all about how much you spend. The load that I described as always having problems spinning in my 10í Cabrio wasnít a large or especially heavy load, and no other washer that Iíd owned in the past ever had problems with the same kind of load.

All I do know is that Iím very pleased with this Maytag. I hope that I can get many years of good, trouble free service from it, time will tell. Its now over a year old, and in that year zero problems, so thats a good sign already.

Here is a full load of colors that I washed this morning and just finished folding:

2 pairs of mens jeans
4 crewneck sweat shirts
1 short sleeve tee shirt
1 heavyweight long sleeve tee shirt
7 pairs of black socks
1 handkerchief
14 cotton dinner napkins
2 placemats

This load was washed on heavy soil, deep water wash, hot water and it finished in 50 mins.
Eddie


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Post# 975294 , Reply# 25   12/24/2017 at 09:45 by hoovermatic (UK)        
Panasonic

This is one of many reasons I got rid of my Panasonic FL machine - the painful distribution. Frustratingly, it would be perfectly balanced or so it seemed to me, and then it would go into a further distribution and mess it all up again so off it went into another 10 minutes of distribution. I can see that from a wear and tear point of view with a larger load at a high spin speed (mine was 1400rpm) it was protecting the machine and I do understand the logic but as a user, my goodness it was irritating.

I replaced it with the same machine that the Panasonic replaced, a Bosch WFF2000. When it spins at 1000rpm it is as stable and as solid as a rock.


Post# 975300 , Reply# 26   12/24/2017 at 10:15 by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Oh, some machines do get it right

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I had a neighbour in Munich who had an ancient Candy. One of those which used the variable pulley arrangement. She never had trouble with it, apart from replacing the belt every few years (a result of the mechanical load 'sensing' system). Those springs and shocks and variable pully Candy washers were the perfect balance between cost and effect.

I'm overjoyed that Whirlpool has got it right in their Maytags. Presumably the same system will now work it's way down the price-range until even Roper/Estate/Kirkland do the same.


Post# 975302 , Reply# 27   12/24/2017 at 10:33 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
Panasonic

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It is so frustrating, it's beyond belief! A 10 min spin turns into 30 mins.

The previous machine was also a Panasonic - but with a tilted drum. Usually, the laundry fell towards the back of the drum and would get into balance very quickly - so a 10 minute spin was just that - 10 minutes.

This current heap is needing a bomb under it.


Post# 975304 , Reply# 28   12/24/2017 at 10:54 by hoovermatic (UK)        
Panasonic

Rolls Rapide, what model Panasonic do you have now? Mine was a NA-147VB5. I believe they were made by Vestel. Amongst the other things that irritated me about it were:

The length of cycles
Timed fill
Pointless cool down at the end of a hot wash
2 rinses as standard
Pathetically useless wool cycle that was less effective than hand washing
Inability to spin single hand-washed items due to sensitive distribution
And I grew to loathe the smoked plastic door covering

On the plus side, when it did get around to a high speed spin it was VERY good and it was extremely quiet. It was highly effective at stain removal and once the wash was over you could open the door immediately. One might think that these things might negate the others but not for me.







Post# 975314 , Reply# 29   12/24/2017 at 12:34 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
Panasonic

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I've currently got the NA-168XR1. Made in Slovenia, by Gorenje.

My peeves of my machine:

Length of cycles is bloody awful - no wonder the fabrics wear out. The time recalculations are just weird. For example, a small load flashed up as 1hr 50 at the start of the programme, and I presumed it would reduce as the time went on. Nope, ten minutes later it re-adjusted to 2hrs.

Filling time isn't bad, it does top up as it goes.

Rinsing: virtually every load, interim spins are deemed unattainable, so extra rinses are inserted instead. I'm sure that on at least one occasion it did 5 rinses! And in most cases seems to do 3 or 4 rinses.

That Woollens programme is thoroughly useless - virtually no turnover. If it wasn't for the pumped jetsystem, the garments would still be dry. And whoever heard of spinning woollens at 500rpm? Hoover of the 1980s had the right balance of woollen agitation and 800rpm spin.

Spinning is completely crap as previously mentioned.

I have a conventional clear see-through glass door, but the champagne matt plastic door trim looks decidedly underwhelming.

The drum metal is very thin and tinny - it rings like a bell when knocked.

I don't hold out much hope for the drum bearings. Several times, at the end of the cycle when unloading clothes, as I rotated the drum, I've felt a slight vibration and felt and heard a faint 'clunk'.

The old tilted drum Panasonic was NA-16VX1, made in China. It was a smoked-door machine, with a weird plastic cover over the drum bolts (inside the drum itself). The 'fresh-water' spray jet on it, was dire to say the least. Woollens was crap. But at least that machine span well when commanded.


Post# 975747 , Reply# 30   12/27/2017 at 13:14 by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
Spin

Our Duet generally spins on the second try, but is far quicker than my grandparents LG which seems to take entirely too long. I do wish the Duet had a more sophisticated suspension design for better balancing.

Post# 976158 , Reply# 31   12/30/2017 at 15:41 by henene4 (Germany)        
Distribution

Having had all kinds of small chasis machine (EU size, 24") here in Germany, it really is dependent on the machine.

Our Panasonic had a huge tub with verry little space and - at least for high speed spins - a verry sensitive balance detection. It would distribute for up to an hour before giving up. It had 2 400rpm spin burst before its main final spin and these always went through perfectly. The final spin had a verry narrow balance window for noise reasons and only ever managed to spin with verry easy to balance loads.

I had other washers (like our current AEG or the Mieles) which spun high or even higher and spun nearly every time directly with no issue.




The suspension is only one part of the story. It has to be only stif enough to keep the drum form moving to much during low rpm stages of extraction. During high rpm stages, the drum can't move much of a distance anyway, so if the suspension is t stiff, to many of these high frequency vibrations are transmitted to the cabinet making for a rattely loud spin. To soft and it can't balance for low rpm stages.



Distribution algorythms are another.

Our current AEG has a pretty good spin preperation pattern. It tumbles 6 times, 3 times clockwise, 3 times counter clockwise. It starts with a tame 30rpm tumble and steps that up gradually to distribution speed during these tumbles. This pulls larger items apart gradually, allowing them to distribute better. In between spin burst, it stays at distribution rpm so it dosen't have to redistribute if it dosen't have to.

On the other hand, Hotpoint is and was a contender for the worst distribution on their Aqualtis range.
The machine would start tumbeling in on direcion, distribute, check for balnce, and if it wasn't satisfied, it would slow down but keep tumbling in the same drection, just distribute again, over and over. As it only reverersed once in a blue moon, the load would become more and more tangled as it treid to balance, only makeing matter worse with time.


Another thing is the padle design.

Asymetric drum lifters are designed to move larger loads from front to back slowly, which really improves cleaning as it moves items that would be usually stuck in the center of the load on larger loads to the outside and back to the middle again. Sadly, that also makes for a huge tangeling issue. Like, immense tangeling with large items.



And then there is how the machine actually senses for OOB situations.

Some machines only rely on accelerometers. These actually look for movement.
Some machine use motor current draw or motor rpm patterns at a current power supply.
Some use both in combination.

Depending on that, some can handle some loads better then others.

For example, really heavy items can startle motor based OOB detection. For example, towels don't tend to tangle much in my experience, but they are heavy when soaked.
Now, the load might look pretty well distributed, the drum dosen't sway much.
A motion sensor based system will greenlight the load for spin no problem.
Because the weights involved are high, even the apparently well balanced load will pose a verry high current situation to the motor, making the machine act more carefully.
Now, a brushed motor is much less accurately judgable for current as well, but machine with brushed motors are usually in the cheaper price region, so structural integrety and further sensor are less common on these machine as well. Thus, a machine that is not well equipped to judge loads on their balance is usually even less capable of handeling themand thus has to be even more carefull.


In general, there is nor ule of thumb what to look for in a machine.
Best way to know: Look for reviews.
For example, LG had huge balancing issues on their early generation TurboWash washers, making them less "turbo" then most wanted them to be.
They however ittereated their programming and solved some but not all of the balancing issues.
Another good example for the US were the Samsung made Maytag machines. Horrible machines in general, but especially for balancing.
Currents Samsungs don't seem to be the best either.
On the other hand, Electrolux seems to be decent with their - as they claim - learning balancing algorythm and their second floor guarante.
WP seems to be OK with hicups from time to time.

In the EU, currently, AEG as well as BSH seem to be decent.
AEG is a little more shakey, but spins without any mayor redistribution issues in my experience.
BSH seems a little quieter, but little more carefull for that matter.
Miele is as always leading, though their W1 series is certanly more sensitive then previous generations and seems a little more less Miele-quality in general with some minor issues which just should not happen on 1000+Ä machines. (One that I read about for example is that - just as with SQ - a pump that burns out can potentially take out the main control as well, which just is bad construction in my opinion).
Of the cheaper brands, I know Gorenje to be OK. Not good, not bad.
Panasonic still has issues.
So does LG and Samsung.


Post# 976185 , Reply# 32   12/30/2017 at 17:36 by Aeg03 (London, UK)        
LG washing machines

Hi All,

Thought I would input my experience with LG.

I purchased an LG washing machine this year 2017 and I am very impressed with how LG spins at full spin speed everytime it comes to the spin. Okay, it may sometimes spend a few minutes tumbling and attempting the spins to ensure its safe to spin, but I can always guarantee it WILL spin at full spin speed, regardless of whats inside it.

Most of the time its not fussy with balancing the load and it will just go into spin. I'm aware that LG have not always been like this though, so they appear to have updated their programming.

Ive seen this behaviour on 3 different types of LG washing machines available in 2017.

I had a Hotpoint Smart in 2015 and that was a terrible machines, would frequently abort the spins or have a slower final spin. Even though it would rotate clockwise and anti clockwise to try and balance, it would always be fussy on every single cycle, adding more time to the wash.

I really rate LG for their technology and the tumbles are always fun to watch. I just dont rate them on their quality control. Ive had issues with 3x machines having a fault where the Turbowash jet does not spray the load. Never knew if that was a valve fault or a programming issue. Got a refund on those. I then experienced an issue with having 4 x LG's delivered with dents on the back panel - this was caused in the factory on the conveyor belt or when the machines were boxed or moved in the box. Other than that, I think their spins are excellent and its nice having a machine that always spins on each cycle and at the full speed.



Post# 976283 , Reply# 33   12/31/2017 at 09:57 by wishwash (Illinois)        
Better machines...

So it seems that LG and Electrolux are largely the best machines in regard to spin distribution, with Whirlpool not too far behind? I wonder if the current Frigidaire machines are getting the "learning algorithm" as hand me down from the new Elux lineup.
At the moment it seems like Electrolux is giving a lot more machine for the money. They come with that extra mixing chamber for detergent and perform better on CR tests than other machines at the same price point. LG turbo wash is really the only reason I would step up from Whirlpool as it seems like they've both got those unique wash actions. I am sure that Whirlpool will outsell Elux since they generally end up being deeply incentivized at most big box stores...


Post# 976290 , Reply# 34   12/31/2017 at 10:50 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
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It's interesting that Hotpoint (Indesit) frontloaders should be such rubbish balancer/spinner, because I'm sure I remember reading some article (maybe 10 years ago?) about Indesit toying with the idea of having one of the tub's shock absorbers being replaced by an active actuator type - which could adapt the stiffness of the shock absorber 'on the fly', from feedback from the balance sensors etc.

Apparently having one active damper/actuator in addition to the usual passive types, worked best, since two seemed to fight against each other. I think it was around about the time of the Indesit 'Moon' and the Indesit 'Prime' ranges.

I can't remember exactly where I read it, at the time. It might have been in one of those 'technology magazines', or it might have been one of the Trades publications like 'ERT Weekly'.


Post# 976292 , Reply# 35   12/31/2017 at 11:04 by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

The Active Actuator sounds like a great idea.

Post# 976302 , Reply# 36   12/31/2017 at 11:31 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
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Post# 976318 , Reply# 37   12/31/2017 at 13:06 by Ultralux88 (Denver)        
I canít offer much brilliant insight here...

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But I have observed this about front loaders. We had a Frigidaire/Kenmore front loader set for several years (moved and left the set, new house came with ĎShredmoreí set) and it would sometimes take a good long time trying to sort out how it wanted things in the tub. Iíve been around an Asko set too and it didnít seem to take as much time, bu t it still took a minute or so. I was really shocked when I first saw a Speed Queen run it really just seemed to go from agitation to spin with no real sorting out the load balance. It shocked me and I was expecting a more violent spin, the tub does seem to go for more of a ride than the machines that spend more time on the load balance, but the machine itself stayed steady and there really wasnít much if any of a shake rattle and roll routine... same goes for the Asko though it never seemed to go too crazy. Now I know someone with a Whirlpool Duet that walks all over the laundry room, but thatís going to be a whole separate repair thread if I can ever get around to that...




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