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'62 Frigidaire agitator cap
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Post# 978253   1/14/2018 at 07:28 (2,287 days old) by sfh074 ( )        

Here's my first attempt at the '62 Frigidaire agitator cap that I talked about in another thread a few weeks ago.

I got the density or firmness of the rubber mix right but getting the color and sheen is going to be a challenge.

This one turned out too shiny and needs more matte additive in my next try. But the addition of the pressure pot eliminated the random bubble issue I was having with the rubber resin I'm working with. Degassing the resin using a tank and vacuum pump worked great for the clear high density resin I used for the control knob, but not enough for this rubber resin. Takes both vacuum degassing and pressure tank to eliminate all bubbles.

Wish I had an original cap with better color to work from. Having to use images obtained from the web and an acid etched area on the underside of my old cab to judge the original color. But at least the cap I have still has very crisp detail of the logo and lettering.

Not sure why the color of my pics vary greatly but the 3rd pic looks closer to actual. 2nd pic looks way too blue and still has gooey mold release agent on it. Must be due to differences in lighting in the basement vs in laundry room of 3rd pic.

Would love to hear y'alls feedback. This urethane rubber product is very challenging to work with.

Bud - Atlanta, GA


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Post# 978257 , Reply# 1   1/14/2018 at 08:17 (2,287 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Your work is amazing. The cap is beautiful. How did you learn to do this work?

Post# 978260 , Reply# 2   1/14/2018 at 08:35 (2,287 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL)        
Amazing work!

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It sounds like you're striving for perfection - nothing wrong with that as long as you're having fun with the process and learning.  But from a practical side I don't see anything wrong with what you've produced.  Pop that lid on the agitator/pulsator and after a few washes no one (including you) would know it's not original.

 

Your ability to reproduce these parts is just amazing.  Here's my own High Five!

 

lawrence


Post# 978268 , Reply# 3   1/14/2018 at 09:05 (2,287 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Good Lord...

THAT IS AMAZING !!!


Post# 978277 , Reply# 4   1/14/2018 at 11:18 (2,287 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Looks Great

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I would love to buy one of these caps for my WCI-62 Frigidaire washer, I have this washer and the matching Filtrater dryer, these are my favorite vintage FD pair.

 

Good Luck and let me know if you want to sell a cap, I also may have some parts for FD washers and dryers from this time period.

 

John L.


Post# 978312 , Reply# 5   1/14/2018 at 14:48 (2,286 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit)        

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Not that I own one, but is there any possibility that the energy ring could be produced? I'm thinking about how the energy ring on that eBay FD from 1963 was quite worn, a while back. Begs the question, could a new one be fashioned?

Post# 978314 , Reply# 6   1/14/2018 at 15:10 (2,286 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
Bravo!

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You could make a living fabricating parts just for us club members. I can already think of dozens of parts I'd love to have recreated.

 

If there's another big Wash-In I'd pay to participate in a seminar/in house demonstration of your techniques. It looks similar to what we pastry chefs do with silicon molds and using tempered chocolate or poured sugar instead of urethane.


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Post# 978321 , Reply# 7   1/14/2018 at 16:08 (2,286 days old) by ken (NYS)        
Bud

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Awesome work IMO. I think you're really on to something taking on the project of learning to produce these parts. Im sure there would be a big demand here for your services if you expand the list of parts you reproduce after perfecting the process. And I don't think the cap is too shiny.



Post# 978341 , Reply# 8   1/14/2018 at 18:08 (2,286 days old) by Gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        

Even the color of one new out of old stock is going to be somewhat different just from the passage of time. I think you have done a beautiful job. Do you not feel as though the shine will not dull any over time? In any event, the third image shows a cap that looks great. I would join the line to buy a few.

Post# 978343 , Reply# 9   1/14/2018 at 18:15 (2,286 days old) by sfh074 ( )        
Thanks for the kind words

My link at the start of this thread pointed back to an older discussion where I mentioned I was going to try and reproduce the cap and the lower 2 rings. And yes the '63 that was on ebay a few weeks ago, the cap and rings were in terrible shape. And the bottom energy ring .... OMG! But then again seems to be the norm these days for these neoprene parts. I have 3 original sets and they all have seen better days. All discolored, hard as a brick and full of surface cracks. The bottom energy ring gets the most abuse and normally deflates and starts banging on the bottom of the tub. If I can reproduce the cap and rings to my liking, and finish my '62 washer restoration project, I'll take on the bottom energy ring as a separate repro project. But the size of that part and the embedded steel washer will have its own set of challenges. Instead I think that part is a better candidate being reproduced in hard plastic and 3D printed. Then no chance of it deforming over time like the original does and no need for the steel washer for mounting.

Bud - Atlanta, GA


Post# 978391 , Reply# 10   1/15/2018 at 01:58 (2,286 days old) by Diesirae7 (Central Illinois)        

Very cool indeed! We have to make the parts we need sometimes, this is excellent work!

Post# 978450 , Reply# 11   1/15/2018 at 13:02 (2,286 days old) by potatochips ( )        

Excellent job! This will be heavily helpful to us all. Im excited to see what other things we can recreate.

Post# 978571 , Reply# 12   1/16/2018 at 11:58 (2,285 days old) by hippiedoll ( arizona )        
WOWZERS!!

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You did an amazing job!
That cap you recreated looks GREAT!
I'm no expert, but to me it looks perfect!

OUTTA SIGHT job on your recreation Bud!
Me likes it
:o)


Post# 978577 , Reply# 13   1/16/2018 at 12:55 (2,285 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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Wow, even if this is a 'test', the result looks fantastic. And to be honest the shine looks really good on the cap. I'll shoot you a PM.

Ben


Post# 978579 , Reply# 14   1/16/2018 at 13:08 (2,285 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Oh my!  You've done a great job with your 'new' cap, congratulations!   If you're taking orders for more, I'm in - my '59 WCI cap is looking a bit faded.

 

 


Post# 978584 , Reply# 15   1/16/2018 at 14:16 (2,285 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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I'm totally impressed Bud, when you have extras let me know as I would love to buy a few from you. I agree with what has been stated about the color, even if we find some brand new old stock agitator parts, for sure the color would be slightly changed due to aging neoprene. I think the color you used is perfect.

Post# 979649 , Reply# 16   1/23/2018 at 23:35 (2,277 days old) by Rberryiii3 (Palm Springs, California)        
Talent

I’m always amazed at the talent here. You’re an artist .

Post# 1002731 , Reply# 17   8/6/2018 at 14:02 (2,083 days old) by sfh074 ( )        
Cap Follow-up

I kinda touched on this cap in another thread, but here's a follow-up on this specific topic of my '62 Frigidaire cap repro efforts.

After a lot of trial and error and a ton of reading to figure out how to make urethane "look and feel" just like old-school neoprene, I finally found the "magic" ingredients that are considered additives to the mix. Neoprene is denser, therefore heavier than urethane lending to not only how urethane doesn't look right, but also not feeling right. Neoprene has a heavy bending feel when flexed, whereas urethane has a lighter and more pliable feel .... even though both have the same measured density (ShoreA) value of 70. Even though I made a couple of caps that kinda looked close, I didn't like the look and feel. They just weren't the same!

Well, I finally got it. A custom urethane mix that has the same weight, density and opacity as neoprene. Not to mention a few tries to get the correct dye combinations to repro the original color.

Below are a few of the attempts before landing on the final product (bottom cap). Top right 3 are wrong colors and sheen, not to mention weighing less than the original. The bottom cap now looks and feels like the real thing and the correct color when it was new. In my book the money shot has to be just right!



To contrast, the bottom cap is leaning against an original Customline bojack reproduction cap made out of neoprene (my guess, mid 70's). It is still really close to being like an original Frigidaire cap in weight, rubber density and color, although it too has darkened a tad over time.

Cheers,
Bud - Atlanta



Post# 1002766 , Reply# 18   8/6/2018 at 21:01 (2,082 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
If I could do that!

I would start reproducing all sorts of unobtainable parts for not only washers, but vintage cars etc, you could make a small fortune! You sir are a true artist and a perfectionist!

Post# 1005503 , Reply# 19   8/30/2018 at 12:22 (2,059 days old) by ken (NYS)        

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Great work. I find this kind of thing very interesting. Maybe sometime in the future the notorious Westinghouse washer door boot?? I do understand reproducing that would be much more involved and difficult. But I bet there would be many takers here.

Post# 1013304 , Reply# 20   11/4/2018 at 20:21 (1,992 days old) by sfh074 ( )        
Someone sent me a NOS cap ....

If any of you have been following my thread about my experimentation in recreating the famous Frigidaire multimatic agitator cap, you'll remember me going on and on about fretting with color and sheen to get the original look. It really came down to not having a nice original cap to work from and in my mind trying to satisfy my ocd need for perfection was a moot point. I have always said being "close" is for horse shoes and hand grenades.

I have an original cap that had great detail but color wise has turned almost a dark brown. I was lucky enough to get my hands on an aftermarket cap that still had pretty good color but thought the chances of ever seeing an actual original cap with good color was basically nill ...... until today! Look what someone sent me - cap on the left. You can see that it spent years sitting in a parts bin exposed to sunlight on its right side. The clear plastic bag it sat in allowed light to come into contact, except for a paper label containing the part number shielding a strip of the rubber. How funny is that, a NOS NLA cap with just a strip of original color. But it is a great example of what it is supposed to look like! Again I never thought I would ever get the opportunity to see one. And if I may say, my "close" reproduction is closer than I ever thought possible - (cap on right).

Bud - Atlanta


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Post# 1013305 , Reply# 21   11/4/2018 at 20:31 (1,992 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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Amazing! Goes to show your methods paid off - perfect match!

Post# 1013312 , Reply# 22   11/4/2018 at 20:49 (1,992 days old) by JustJunque (Western MA)        
Amazing!

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I simply have no words.
I'm in awe of your talent!

Barry


Post# 1013319 , Reply# 23   11/4/2018 at 21:13 (1,992 days old) by Washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)        

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Bud, you have done an amazing job! Am hoping maybe you can help me with my 1954 Frigidaire restoration. The agitator needs a cap along with the single rubber ring that is still there but forlornly lost its elasticity a long time ago. Is this something with which you might be able to help me? We can chat offline: toddmetcalf46@yahoo.com.

Thanks.


Post# 1013323 , Reply# 24   11/4/2018 at 21:40 (1,992 days old) by sfh074 ( )        
Something like this Washerlover?

The cap and ring I can make and have the molds. The pulsator or energy ring I am currently in the process of making the mold. Once completed I would need your old pulsator to reuse the metal flange from it. The pic below shows the cap and ring you would need. The ring works on all 47-57 machines and the cap 52-57, both either in black or grey based on year needed. You can see the metal flange that is harvested from an old pulsator @ the top center of picture.

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Post# 1013325 , Reply# 25   11/4/2018 at 21:55 (1,992 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        
Wow

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Is there an order form we should fill out and mail in? I would love to have a couple of the black rings and caps for my WO-65-2.

It's been really interesting to follow your progress, truly amazing.


Post# 1013334 , Reply# 26   11/4/2018 at 22:52 (1,992 days old) by sfh074 ( )        
Also ....

I'm making the mold for the '57 flat cap found on the '57 control tower machines.

Was this flat cap a one year only deal?

Bud - Atlanta


Post# 1013362 , Reply# 27   11/5/2018 at 08:36 (1,992 days old) by Gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        

The '56 and '57 had that gray cap, and rings.

Post# 1013364 , Reply# 28   11/5/2018 at 08:51 (1,992 days old) by sfh074 ( )        
Here is the cap .....

I am referring to

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Post# 1013366 , Reply# 29   11/5/2018 at 09:12 (1,992 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        
Time to dust off the original parts books...

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Interesting!

It appears that '56 and '57 do have separate caps, per the original parts lists that came out each year for those washers.

Imperial & Custom Imperial caps:

WO-65-2 (1952-1954) - 5433707 (Code 253, 1958 parts list)
WV-65 (1955) - 5433707 (Code 10)
WI-56 - 5435204 (Code 10)
WDU/WI-57 - 5436906 (Code 12)
WI/WCI-58 - 5437855 (Code 253)
All 1959 -6565033 (Code 9.376)
All 1960 - 6566814 (Code 9.376)
All 1961 - 6566814 (they apparently recycled the PN, but the cap logo changed in '61) (Code 9.376)
All 1962 - 6566814 (Code 9.376)

Later editions of the SER-723 washer parts book, starting even for the 1958 models as seen in the photos below, group the '57 and '58 caps as being the same item: 5437855. Now we know with certainty the difference between 56/57/58!

This is the first time I've seen the original '57 cap. Very cool! the nubs are meant to hold the bleach dispenser in place.

Bud - so happy someone was able to supply an original '57 cap!

Ben


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Post# 1014065 , Reply# 30   11/10/2018 at 19:52 (1,986 days old) by sfh074 ( )        
Gansky1 ....

I sent you a PM.


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