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New Lenor 'Parfum Des Secrets'
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Post# 978941   1/19/2018 at 07:19 (210 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        

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I spied this in my local Tesco.

I didn't sniff it, but I presume it'll be excessively fragranced.

The bottle whilst multi-faceted, looks vaguely like Lever's 'Comfort' arty-farty shape - including the lid!


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Post# 979024 , Reply# 1   1/19/2018 at 15:06 (210 days old) by MrAlex (London, UK)        

I’m going to try the “Mystery” scent when I’m running low on the Lenor Spring awakening. I’m sure the smell will be waaay to strong.. also.. did you notice the new Ariel Liquid? It says on The bottle that it’s got +30% the cleaning ingredients now or something like that. Will get it with the next Ocado shop

Post# 979031 , Reply# 2   1/19/2018 at 15:26 (210 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
The new Ariel Liquid

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No, I never noticed that.

I was toying with the idea of buying the 'Reduced to Clear' Persil Powergems: 12 dose @ £1.63, but I decided against it. I went to Aldi and purchased Almat bio powder instead.

Looking at the Ariel website, there seems to be a liquid 'Purclean' version, 70% made from plant-based surfactants.


Post# 979033 , Reply# 3   1/19/2018 at 15:31 (210 days old) by MrAlex (London, UK)        

oh yes, I forgot to mention that one! It’s got two more enzymes than the Tide purclean.

Also.. Persil has released a new “pod” detergent it’s called powercaps and looks a bit more like the Ariel 3 in 1.. a lot of new things to try :)

Post# 979034 , Reply# 4   1/19/2018 at 15:37 (210 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
Ocado new Ariel Liquid

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Seems to now be called 'Compact' - and with a restyled dosing device! Plus 30% cleaning boost in every drop.


Post# 979226 , Reply# 5   1/20/2018 at 19:31 (208 days old) by iej (Ireland)        

I suspect Power Gems maybe one of those once in a decade innovations that will be forgotten about rather quickly. They’re nothing like Megaperls from Henkel. Those new pods seem like a “me too” given that both P&G and Henkel have has multi-chamber pods for some time now. However, it’s welcome competition they drives things forward.

I’ve always been a big fan of Comfort Pure (a Unilever conditioner with a very low level of scent). In general I find most of those highly scented softeners and conditioners absolutely obnoxious. I also don’t really like the feel of Lenor on clothes. It just seems more “chemically”, even the lighter fragrances.
Comfort always struck me as a far superior product.

In terms of Unilever detergents I wish they would make a version of Persil Bio Small & Mighty liquid with the non-bio scent. It smells really nice! I don’t dislike the green bio liquid scent - it’s also very nice but I just think the non-bio is a really good scent.. I have no reason to not use enzymes though and find the Persil Bio S&M liquid performs extremely well.

I have also not liked the scents used in their pods to-date. They’re different to the liquid and way stronger and more lingering. Hopefully these new power cap pods aren’t quite so perfumed.

My other product request, if any Unilever people looking - a non viscous version of Persil Small and Mighty that is auto-dos friendly. Threre are at least two ranges of machines now using auto dosing - Bosch / Siemens which use the tank in the drawer approach and Míele which has the option of refillable tanks in the W1 and Samsung has automatic dosing in some of their higher end machines via a tank that’s accessed just under the door.

I know it’s still a bit niche but I think it’ll be mainstream soon. So how about “new Persil Small and Mighty, now dissolves even quicker and tested for autodosing” ??

Post# 979633 , Reply# 6   1/23/2018 at 21:05 (205 days old) by liamy1 (-)        

Yep there’s definitely a few new products coming up.

Saw these Lenor a few months back, but they were at £8, so couldn’t justify that with the amount of conditioners I had. Now running low, so may grab some.

As mentioned, Persil have launched a pod like Ariel’s called Powercaps I think. I did add some on Sainsbury’s online shop, but ending up getting the original capsules :/

Also Bold and Daz pods are being updated to (both becoming “3in1” pods, and the Bold is also going to be available in the big oval 55 count containers like Ariel and Fairy, not sure if Daz will come in the bigger containers).

Ariel gel has changed too (now states use in a cold wash on the bottle), it’s always been aimed at cold washing, but used to bang on about 15o, so now just says cold.

Daz powder looks updated too.

The Powergems being reduced to clear is a bit concerning, wonder if they’re going?. Mind I’m not that keen on them besides the smell, they seem to take forever to dissolve. Had 2 of each (bio/non), most of it has been used in the mop bucket to mop floors (this confirmed just how hard they are to dissolve). Also used a bottle to line the bottom of the kitchen bin under the bag, bin smells lovely.

Post# 979654 , Reply# 7   1/24/2018 at 03:16 (205 days old) by liamy1 (-)        

Something else I just remembered, when I spotted it 2 months back it was called Lenor “Parfumedes”, wonder why they changed the name.

Somebody’s going to come along and say Parfemedes is Parfume de Secrets in a different lingo and make me look silly aren’t they :p

Post# 979671 , Reply# 8   1/24/2018 at 08:32 (205 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
Marketing departments...

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... are just plain daft and overrated.

They should, of course, have just labelled it: 'Lenor: Secrets'.


Post# 979700 , Reply# 9   1/24/2018 at 10:56 (205 days old) by liamy1 (-)        

Yes, it’s all in the marketing, silly claims with even sillier names.

Don’t think there is going to be anything major with the 3in1 pod updates, Bold is running the new ad campaign now with a theme of take me home “scents that take you home”.

Thinking the only thing have they have probably done is upped the scent again, as on the last update to Bold (last year) the scents had been toned way down (to almost undetecatable), a cynic person would have though this was so they could push Bold users in to using Unstoppables and Lenor conditioner.

But there you go.

Post# 979917 , Reply# 10   1/25/2018 at 17:43 (203 days old) by liamy1 (-)        
I got...

Some of the “Mystery” Parfum des secrets.

I smelt all 4, there were none I hated, possibly “Blush” would be my least favourite, but none of them smell all that strong at all in the bottle, in fact some of the normal ones smell stronger.

Also as mentioned upthread, yes the liquids from proctor and gamble (all brands) have all changed, the bottles are thinner and the dosing devices are different and none have the scrubby fins at the end anymore. Was going to get some to see if the scent or anything had changed, but the wife was stood there going do you really need any right now :-]

She rushes me through that aisle haha

Post# 979956 , Reply# 11   1/26/2018 at 01:06 (203 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
"She rushes me through that aisle haha"

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Quite right too, especially when things cost eight Quid a bottle!

I wonder where Tesco plucks those prices from? Clearly not from the real world.

Post# 979960 , Reply# 12   1/26/2018 at 03:13 (203 days old) by liamy1 (-)        

I actually find Tesco dearer than Sainsbury’s, but I shop at Tesco, Sainsbury’s and Morrison’s so get the best offers from all.

Sorry should have mentioned, I got the Lenor at Wilko, for £4. It was down from £8. So looks like normal price is going to be £8.

Can’t see it lasting long at that price to be fair. I would have spent £8 to try one for the first time, but definitely would not make a habit of it. Imagine if you wanted all 4 to rotate scents, that’d be £32!

If I like it, it would only be bought when on offer at whatever store (pretty much the same as I do with detergents anyway, almost never pay full for them).

Post# 980007 , Reply# 13   1/26/2018 at 13:14 (203 days old) by spoodles (Cheshire, UK)        

The new P&G liquids are now concentrated to the same level as Unilever's i.e. 35ml for a standard load instead of 50ml. Wilko had the lot - Ariel, Bold, Daz and Fairy. I got some Ariel Colour & Style and it's the same scent as before. The dose is now a tiny bit more concentrated than P&G's gels (37ml dose) which probably explains why all the gel bottle labels now shout about how they work in cold water as there isn't really any other difference or benefit over the liquids any more.

Persil have sneakily shrunk the number of washes per bottle - 25 is down to 22, 40 to 38, I didn't see a new 60 wash size but no doubt there is one. The bottle sizes remain exactly the same of course!

There are 3 new Comfort conditioners too called Perfume Deluxe, similar to the new Lenor ones. They all smell quite nice. Wilko has them half price at £3 for a 58 wash ultra-concentrated bottle. I tried the new Lenor "Dazzle" and it smells really lovely on the bedding, even nicer than in the bottle. I can't believe they think people will pay £8 for it either!

Post# 980008 , Reply# 14   1/26/2018 at 13:15 (203 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
"normal price is going to be £8"

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I think it was indeed that price in Tesco.

I can well understand people 'legging it round' to the low cost shops to buy branded detergents of all types (laundry, dishwasher, bathroom, etc). Much more cost effective.

Post# 980015 , Reply# 15   1/26/2018 at 14:26 (203 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        

Spoodles, can I trouble you with a question please if you happen to see my post?

You mention above that you have purchased one of the newer compact P/G liquids. Liamy has told us that the new dosing devices are revised and no longer have scrubby bits. Not one for gimmicks normally, but I have to say that I find the scrubby bits really useful for pre-treating.

However, what I would like to know please is whether or not the revised dosing device is still as hideously noisy as the predecessor? Is it made of the same hard plastic?

If so I just won't bother even trying it and will stick to Persil liquid - whose dosing ball doesn't make a noise like a hand grenade revolving with the washing. I was always stupidly fussy about this but now that I mainly use a more-or-less silent (during wash tumbles) induction machine I can't stand it!!!

As for all these new fabric softeners......dear oh dear. It's getting silly in my opinion. I suppose there must be profit in it but heaven knows how; with 500 varieties on the shelf how on earth are they shifting the stuff at prices like that? I'm sure it's no better than a conditioner at a quarter of the price - and I'm with iej; I think they all smell obnoxious. Still, each to their own.

Post# 980021 , Reply# 16   1/26/2018 at 15:07 (203 days old) by spoodles (Cheshire, UK)        

Hi Nickuk

The new design balls are still plastic, but don't feel as solid/rigid as the old ones. I haven't used it yet but maybe the smaller size will reduce the noise, but I doubt they'll be silent. The flimsier plastic will probably end up looking battered after a few washes too. I always use a Persil ball for Ariel liquid anyway, like you say, it makes no noise at all.

Post# 980022 , Reply# 17   1/26/2018 at 15:32 (203 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        

Thanks very much for your response, Spoodles.

Yes, I suppose that now the dosing is similar one could use the Persil balls for P/G liquid.

I do think that Persil leads the way on this particular point. The `dosing ball inside the bottle' design is also, I think, very good. It's a shame to read they they are now also joining the `con' of reducing the size but not the price. However, Persil liquid is so often to be had at very good deals that I am sure there will still be bargains to had.

Post# 980086 , Reply# 18   1/27/2018 at 08:01 (202 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
New Compact Ariel Liquid

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The new Ariel dosing device seems to be a slightly softer plastic (perhaps more pliable, probably thinner too), but nothing like the squidgy Persil ball.

There are raised 'protuberances' on the underside of the Ariel ball, to allow you to scrub a stain, in the style of Persil's version.

£9 in Tesco.

Hard rattles in the drum annoy me too. If I use liquid (Ariel or Persil with the flip-pour lids), I decant some into an old supermarket detergent bottle which has the conventional unscrewable measuring lid. A dose gets measured in the lid, and then the measured dose gets poured directly into the drum, or onto the clothes. That way no rattling occurs, and no liquid residue is left in the drawer either (liquids never seem to flush cleanly away).

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Post# 980676 , Reply# 19   1/31/2018 at 03:41 (198 days old) by liamy1 (-)        
Dosing ball

Although I didn’t get any of the new P&G liquid (courtesy of my wife! :)) I did have a quick feel of the dosing ball, yes, definitely thinner.

Post# 980743 , Reply# 20   1/31/2018 at 13:19 (198 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        
Picked one up

I bought an Ariel liquid and am using it on a few loads right now.

I can confirm it is definitely more concentrated and is now in line with Persil S+M.

The dosing ball is definitely thinner and physically smaller than the previous one. It's a little less `solid' so is quieter in use but not (as predicted by all of us) as quiet as the Persil ball.

It's quite sudsy but perhaps I am being a little heavy handed / careless with dosing. The ball seems a little harder to dose with than the Persil one. Surely not a ploy by P+G to make us use more??

My local Tesco also had the new Purclean one. It smelled quite pleasant - just a little lighter than the regular one. I managed to resist purchasing it on this occasion.

Rolls, my machine leaves liquid residue in the drawer too so I worry it will also be clogging the filler pipe (drawer to drum) over time. Mind, mine also leaves powder in the drawer :-/ I'm not too sure at all about my new machine but am persevering diligently.

Liamy, squeezing dosing balls takes detergent aisle perusal to a whole new level LOL

Post# 980758 , Reply# 21   1/31/2018 at 14:54 (198 days old) by liamy1 (-)        
Surely not a ploy by P+G to make us use more?

Would they ever do such a thing? ;-D

Haha I know, most people would be content with looking/sniffing, I’m stood there blooming squeezing things. I also do it on the rare occasions I buy the unstoppables too (just in case you don’t know you squeeze the bottle to smell the scent when choosing), so even though I know exactly what they all smell like I’m stood there squeezing and sniffing like.... well let’s just say that has garnered a few strange looks from people in the past.

Also as per Rolls said, easy to see why people go to the discounters to get detergents when you see some of the prices they charge. There’s a big stall (a walk in one) on my local market that is devoted to cleaning and personal care products and it’s brilliant, not only is it cheaper, he gets stuff from all around the world as well as the U.K. This weeks purchase was Australian OMO sensitive laundry pods, £2 for a box of 20.

He also currently has the European Omo/Skip “Active Clean” liquid detergent, which smells ace, £7 for a big 100 wash bottle. Didn’t get that as I have had it before and it is just to big to store as I keep all detergents in the same cupboard and if any don’t fit (as the Omo didn’t as bottle too tall) it annoys me that all of my statsh is in the cupboard except one product that I have to leave out.

I no longer have a separate laundry room, so have to be really strict with statsh size (could be sick with what I have gifted away/got rid off due to space), still doesn’t seem to stop me buying though, soon as I see a new product, I fall hook, line, and sinker.

Post# 980759 , Reply# 22   1/31/2018 at 14:56 (198 days old) by liamy1 (-)        
Don’t what...

My iPad thinks statsh is!

Post# 980760 , Reply# 23   1/31/2018 at 15:12 (198 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        

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Which machine have you got? Did you go for the Zanussi Lindo or the Montpellier top loader?

Post# 980761 , Reply# 24   1/31/2018 at 15:38 (198 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        

Hi Liamy - don't worry - if I see you on Crimewatch one day I will call them up and explain everything :-)

I like the sound of your market stall - I would be a sucker for that. I've got a bunch of French detergents but have never even looked at OMO twice; assuming it simply to be a direct clone of Persil. Will have to pick one up when I go to France in May for my annual jolly.

Rolls - long long story but due to how the utility room evolved I ended up with another boring old front loader. It's an AEG prosense. I got it for a good price and also matching dryer. One of my `things' is fifty degrees; I have to have it, and not many machines seem to offer it anymore. It's not a patch on the Siemens build quality though. The drum seems dead thin and the rollover on small loads is abysmal. Must be poor paddles I guess. So I don't think we will last that long. The dryer is exactly as I expected - overcomplicated and makes the washing smell funny (condenser sensor). Should have got a basic one with a dial, start button and elephant trunk out the back!

Post# 980785 , Reply# 25   1/31/2018 at 19:31 (197 days old) by liamy1 (-)        

Thanks @NickUK

Post# 980825 , Reply# 26   2/1/2018 at 07:33 (197 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        

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Laundry room: I see - things never seem to work out smoothly do they? Lol

I agree about the 50 deg C temp, it is handy to have, and my current Panasonic machine offers that too.

Thin drum: yes, it'll be a Zanussi in disguise. I wasn't impressed with the thinness of the metal in my Zanussi IZ. It's successor, a Chinese Panasonic, had a fairly solid drum... I was rather surprised. My current Panasonic has a thin drum again.

Odour from dryer: maybe it's not the dryer at fault, but a possible reaction between washing machine rubber and certain detergents. If I use Ariel liquid or Daz 'Whites & Colours' powder, the laundry takes on a sour smell, a sort of pungent, overripe rubbery smell. And it gets concentrated by the condenser dryer. It's really not nice at all. For months I was thinking it was the fabric conditioners at fault! It wasn't as though the machine was getting solely used with liquid; it was getting a hot whites wash alternately.

I do not get the horrible smell if I use a powder which has an oxygen bleach built in, such as Daz 'Ultra Whites', Lidl's Formil or Aldi's Almat.

Washing and rinsing an article by hand in Ariel liquid, then spinning in the machine, again no smell. So I came to the conclusion that certain detergents were reacting to the rubber components (hoses, seals) in the machine.

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