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Ahh! Something New Has Been Added! Gain Botanicals Liquid Detergent in Two Irresistible Scents
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Post# 987456   3/20/2018 at 19:46 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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As if some of us needed any reason to purchase yet more laundry detergents, comes this:
ilovegain.com/en-us/articles-sec...

Fits into what one was saying in another thread about P&G, Henkel, and Unilever moving various newly introduced technologies from their TOL offerings down the line. Tide was first out of the P&G box with their "botanical" liquid.


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Post# 987462 , Reply# 1   3/20/2018 at 20:26 by liamy1 (-)        
Hmmm

Wonder if that means the UK will see the same with either Bold (closest thing we have to Gain really) or another?

mind we have only recently got Ariel PurClean and were a good few months behind US getting Tide PC.. so possibly some time yet.

In fact thinking about it, if PG move it on to another U.K. brand, I’d stake bets on it being Fairy, as this has always been sold as the “gentle soft detergent” so a “natural/eco” offering would appeal to this consumer base and go hand in hand with the brand.

Daz is always last to the party with everything (for example it is the only U.K. PG detergent never sold in a gel format) so is unlikely to see anything soon, if at all - , it’s sold on an economic basis too strongly for much innovation.


Post# 987469 , Reply# 2   3/20/2018 at 22:04 by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        

Have you smelled these yet? They smell horrid in comparison to the Tide PurClean.

Post# 987470 , Reply# 3   3/20/2018 at 22:06 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

It smells like smashed stinkbugs

Post# 987471 , Reply# 4   3/20/2018 at 22:10 by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        

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"bursting with the irresistible scent of oranges"

 

LOL - can't wait to smell this coming from dryer vents in the neighborhood!

 

I'm not sure what the offending brands are but sometimes it's just overwhelming - even out on the sidewalk in front of the house.  I can't imagine what it must be like if you open the dryer door. 

 

However a lot of people love them obviously!


Post# 987487 , Reply# 5   3/20/2018 at 23:39 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
No, haven't taken a whiff of neither new Gain scent.

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As haven't seen in any of local shops. But will keep one's eyes peeled.

Wasn't thrilled with fragrance of Tide Pureclean so am not expecting any change in that response from the Gain versions.

Did sniff Gain "Moonlight Breeze" and "Tropical Sunrise" while at Riteaid, and have to say they were not unpleasant. Well that is a quick sniff of bottle, didn't linger long so cannot say for sure.


Post# 987580 , Reply# 6   3/21/2018 at 20:13 by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
Moonlight Breeze

The Moonlight Breeze softener is actually OK. The scent is very light in comparison to others.

Post# 987613 , Reply# 7   3/22/2018 at 00:16 by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

I'm going to pass on the Gain, worst reaction to a detergent I ever had. So leary of P&G products. Darn those Optical Brighteners.


Post# 987641 , Reply# 8   3/22/2018 at 08:24 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
"reaction to a detergent..."

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Maybe it wasn't the optical brighteners, but the fragrance components instead?

The Persil Powergems which I've been using a few days ago, I had noticed that the fragrance irritated the back of my throat, itchy style. And sometimes in the supermarket detergent aisle, certain powders make me sneeze.


Post# 987683 , Reply# 9   3/22/2018 at 13:37 by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        
Gain Botanicals

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I think I am going to be ill...

Post# 987704 , Reply# 10   3/22/2018 at 17:09 by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

If it's not Gain Original (and I mean the actual scent, not what P&G marks on the bottle), then I have zero interest. 

 

I'm sure I'll take a whiff of these "botanical" scents next time I'm in Targay and and come back here howling about the horrific assault on my nose. 


Post# 987716 , Reply# 11   3/22/2018 at 18:21 by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
Gain Sensitive

I smelled the Gain Sensitive a while ago and still found it to be strong and unpleasant.

I really wish that a manufacturer such as Tide would release a full strength detergent, such as Tide Ultra Stain Release, without Optical Brighteners. 90% of my laundry would be perfectly fine without it.


Post# 987727 , Reply# 12   3/22/2018 at 19:35 by liamy1 (-)        
lakewebsterkid

It’s really strange (and bemusing to a few on here from some posts) as to why you can’t get this in the US.

Obviously, we have the biological/non biological farce over here in U.K, but you can easily get a detergent with all the enzymes and stain removers etc, but with no optical brighteners (always labelled under something along the lines of “colour care”)

So for example, we have the normal Ariel, Persil or whatever, then there is Ariel Colour, or Persil Colour etc.

Also, all our “own brand” (do you guys call them off brand over there?) supermarket detergents follow this format too.

If you can source international detergents easily, have a look for a well known brands colour care detergent, it’ll still have the enzymes, stain removers etc, but no OBs.


Post# 987732 , Reply# 13   3/22/2018 at 20:19 by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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you can easily get a detergent with all the enzymes and stain removers etc, but with no optical brighteners (always labelled under something along the lines of “colour care”)

 

I'm not sure about this... It seems to me that there are or have been products that have names that at least suggest they'd be great, but still have the OBA. The only way to be sure is to do research, unfortunately.

 

do you guys call them off brand over there?

 

I think these days these would mostly likely be called "store brand" or something like that.


Post# 987741 , Reply# 14   3/22/2018 at 22:46 by Joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        
No Optical Brightners

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Since Gain Botanicals says it has no brightners, would it be good to use on dark clothes? I am currently using powdered Cheer for dark loads, but want to know what other options I have.

Post# 987742 , Reply# 15   3/22/2018 at 22:48 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
American laundry detergents without OBAs

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Have no idea how valid such lists are:

www.armystudyguide.com/co...

www.ecoamigable.com/laundry-dete...


This pretty much sums things up: www.nytimes.com/2010/12/30/busine...

American housewives and consumers generally have wanted/demanded "whiter than white" bright whites and colors. Before it was bluing, boiling and bleaches. Then came OBAs and it has been off to the races ever since.

It doesn't help that most if not a majority of textiles are treated with OBAs during the manufacturing process. This ranges from whites to various colors, and since OBA agents aren't particularly stable, after several washes things could begin to look dingy. That is just something many here on this side of pond won't have; many housewives (or anyone else that does laundry) would take such results as a sign of their wash not meeting standards.


Post# 987743 , Reply# 16   3/22/2018 at 22:57 by Joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        

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Thanks, Launderess. Not only are you chock-full of knowledge, you’re so a speedy typist! I looked on Tide Purclean’s webpage, and it too says it has no optical brightners.

Post# 987750 , Reply# 17   3/23/2018 at 00:25 by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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Unfortunately, I think that Army Study Guide list might not be current or accurate. They say All powder is OBA free, but I'm pretty sure that All does have brig but I'm pretty sure it has OBAs. I can't find an official  ingredient list. But EWG lists "brighteners" on their page talking about All Free Clear:

 

www.ewg.org/guides/cleane...

 

That Army Study Guide list also mentions Cheer. I'm not sure about Cheer today...but in fairly recent history, we've had discussions here about how Cheer oddly uses OBAs in some products, even though Cheer has been marketed for colors.

 

The other list mentioning "green" brands might be more accurate. I know Seventh Generation has made a point of having OBA free products.

 

help.seventhgeneration.com/hc/en...

 

 

 


Post# 987751 , Reply# 18   3/23/2018 at 00:34 by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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I looked on Tide Purclean’s webpage, and it too says it has no optical brightners.

 

Yes.

 

I got a bottle of this about a year ago when it was dirt cheap (clearance + Fred Meyer digital coupon). I'd doubt it has as much cleaning power as some versions of Tide, but it worked very well for my day to day needs (which are mostly about freshening than horror stains).

 

A part of me thought "I could use this stuff forever as daily use detergent!" And part of me was tempted to just make Tide purclean my standard.  But, alas, I'm an AW.org member, and I'm always wondering about some new hot detergent that appears on the shelf...


Post# 987783 , Reply# 19   3/23/2018 at 12:09 by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
OBAs

As mentioned above, a majority of detergents have OBAs. Despite some of them touting color saving and "for darks" they do include OBAs. I recall a few years ago where my mom purchased a box of Cheer BrightClean and she complained that it made everything appear very faded. The only Cheer detergent that is OBA free is the Cheer powder, which I like, but it is not as good of a performer in cold water as Tide PurClean, which also does not have OBAs. Tide Colorguard even had OBAs in it. Im just not sure why there is not a detergent formulated specifically for darks. It would be great to see a detergent with lipase, protease, amylase, and mannanase in liquid form without OBAs. Tide Coldwater is great because it has a majority of these, is designed for cold water washing, and is a liquid, which are typically better at removing oils. However, it has OBAs. Tide, if you are listening, please form a detergent for Darks. You have about every other formation possible, why not add one more?

Post# 987788 , Reply# 20   3/23/2018 at 13:06 by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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Anyone else noticed both versions of Gain Botanicals only list Amylase but no Protease (or Subtilisin) ?


Post# 988135 , Reply# 21   3/25/2018 at 19:01 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Each laundry product market has their own ways.

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Yes, it is rare to find TOL detergent offerings from P&G or whoever that aren't loaded with bluing/OBA agents; but one can find scent free products.

Meanwhile across the pond finding top shelf laundry detergents in France and or much of the EU that isn't loaded with scent is rare to nil. What of them there are seem to be limited to various "eco" offerings.

So there you are then.


Post# 988147 , Reply# 22   3/25/2018 at 19:58 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
"Amylase but no Protease (or Subtilisin)"

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I've just looked, you're right. How odd. Protease is usually the standard baseline enzyme.

With only one enzyme, this would make it a budget brand. Maybe that's the whole idea: get the budget brand to perform poorly, causing folk to switch to the dearer brand.


Post# 988214 , Reply# 23   3/26/2018 at 04:08 by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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Guess you`re right, if Gain would work too well there would be no more reason to buy the more expensive Tide.

I just don`t understand why they decided to favor amylase over protease.
Wouldn`t the latter be way more important in a one-enzyme detergent ?
I`m puzzled what else than keeping it purposely a low performer might be the reason for that.
Maybe it`s just a typo, meaning protease is just as present as in other Gain variations but they have forgotten to list it properly.


Post# 988218 , Reply# 24   3/26/2018 at 05:00 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
As one has repeatedly stated

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There are more ways to skin the protein soil/stains in wash than just enzymes. Commercial laundries largely have done so for ages and still manage to deliver clean laundry.

Alkaline pH will attack protein so that is one way.

Then you have to consider just what is being laundered anyway. If we're talking about lightly worn clothing, bed or bath linen a full frontal attack with enzymes might not be needed in the wash anyway. Suppose if one were doing the wash from local knocking shop or abattoir then this version of Gain might not be first choice, but there you are then.

Don't consider Gain Botanicals a bargain brand; but rather an alternative being marketed to persons seeking obviously a more gentle and or perhaps less environmentally damaging detergent.

Just as Tide Pureclean isn't up everyone's street, P&G likely very well knows their target market for Gain Botanicals. For those that want to use the stuff but have wash day issues that it cannot cope with; P&G and others offer a vast and bewildering array of "boosters". These add not only the missing protease enzyme, but often others as well with a good helping of oxygen bleach.


Post# 988999 , Reply# 25   3/31/2018 at 17:39 by Dustin92 (Jackson, MI)        

Hmmm.. Maybe a version of Gain that I can use and doesn't make me itch... There's something in all versions of Gain, Gain Fabric softener, all of the Unstoppables, liquid Downy, and Tide with Febreze that doesn't agree with my skin. Whatever gives the clothes that "lasting" kind of sweet scent. As long as it's not used on undies, socks, towels, or pajamas (close contact with skin) I'm fine, but if something gets washed in something it shouldn't be I'm dancing up and down like ants in my pants. We usually use Tide, either Original or Clean Breeze (HE), and I did try the Tide PurClean shortly after it appeared on shelves. I thought it did a fine job of cleaning, and had a pleasant scent, but the scent was a little on the weak side for me. I like enough scent to know the clothes are clean but not smell like the perfume section of your favorite department store. Usually just Tide and Meijer's store brand of free and clear liquid softener. Maybe the new Gain, being a more natural detergent will leave that ingredient out. Will definitely give it a try when it goes on sale.




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