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Post# 987949   3/24/2018 at 16:49 (2,222 days old) by stljrs (St. Louis)        

CR rates SQ dryers as not so good and some reviews suggest burnt clothes. What is the consensus on the SQ dryers that match their top loaders? Our old dryer is being replaced. We have a SQ washer from 2017 and now considering the SQ dryer. We bought a Maytag dryer but it slopes and it is very noisy so it's going back. We might just suck it up and pay for the SQ. Opinions?




Post# 987964 , Reply# 1   3/24/2018 at 18:30 (2,222 days old) by Stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)        

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I do not see the attraction to a new SQ dryer unless a matching set is that important to you.
Used, sure, why not. At a steep discount to msrp they are fine...but still there are better dryers to be had from other manufacturers at the same price used.
Ours burned a pattern on a sheet. The rear of the machine gets very hot and the load wasn't removed directly after stopping...the sheet got branded. Also the auto-dry is a joke. No way to dial in damp dry in my experience. Either bone dry or wet, live with it.






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Post# 987967 , Reply# 2   3/24/2018 at 19:12 (2,222 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        
It’s not for the discerning type

It’s very crude, but effective. It will last a long time. That said, they are not great in the performance department at a “fine tuning” level. It’s either too hot, or not hot enough.

I had two in my house for several months and although I was sad that to see the washers go, I wasn’t sad to see the dryers leave.

My wife could not use the medium setting (let alone high), because it shrunk her clothes. The low setting was the only option, and resulted in very long dry times. I personally never burned anything but I had several customers that have. The bottom line is that the dryer is definitely not as impressive as the washer.

You have a tough choice, I’m particular about having a matching set, so I possibly would be inclined to deal with the dryer if I had a sq washer. If you don’t care about matching set, buy a $400 whirlpool product with the lint filter on the top.



Post# 987979 , Reply# 3   3/24/2018 at 20:35 (2,222 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Matched sets are overrated.


Post# 988019 , Reply# 4   3/25/2018 at 07:48 (2,221 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Speed Queen Dryers

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Are very rugged, simple and easy to repair, they can easily go 25,000 loads before being retired.

 

As others have mentioned they lack refinements in their auto dry cycles and ability to give really low and constant drying temperatures.

 

A new dryer today is a tough choice, like others here the 29" WP built dryers are the best performers, BUT they are very cheap and tinny now and have Chinese motors[ personally I will keep slightly vintage 29" WP built dryers for my home laundry.

 

You do have to keep SQ short comings in perspective however, a new SQD is a far better dryer than any dryer that GE-HP [ pre 1990 ], Maytag, Westinghouse or Frigidaire ever built in terms of durability and temperature control, so a SQD really is not that bad.

 

John L.


Post# 988079 , Reply# 5   3/25/2018 at 15:08 (2,221 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)        

I just sold my SQ dryer.. I must agree with the other posts... it either fried the clothes or left them wet and the auto dry was a joke like mentioned previously. I now own the Maytag dryer that matches the commercial grade washer they recently introduced. Its actually quieter than the SQ and so far it has been consistent in its drying results. The only thing that drives me crazy is the end of the cycle buzzer which sounds the same as a very basic dryer I had 20 years ago. There are no options to stop this feature or I would permanently shut it off. GRRRR. I will get used to it though. I jumped about 10 feet when the first few loads completed.

Post# 988089 , Reply# 6   3/25/2018 at 15:52 (2,221 days old) by Stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)        

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I think if you open up the control panel disabling the buzzer would be as easy as disconnecting the wires that run to it.


Post# 988099 , Reply# 7   3/25/2018 at 16:50 (2,221 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)        
strickly

I hate to mess with something new, but now that you mention it, I will probably open it up and see if its that simple, it probably is. I hope so. When I do it I will report back because I have read other reviews that state they love the dryer but hate the buzzer. I think some of them are even on Maytag's site, can't remember.

Thank you for your post, it is appreciated.


Post# 988121 , Reply# 8   3/25/2018 at 18:25 (2,221 days old) by Stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)        

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Post# 988130 , Reply# 9   3/25/2018 at 18:50 (2,221 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)        

Excellent, thanks again!

Post# 989078 , Reply# 10   4/1/2018 at 11:00 (2,214 days old) by KelvinAtor (USA)        
which dryer to buy

The clear choice would be a Whirlpool made dryer with the lint filter on the top, if not having a matching set doesn't bother you. They are significantly less money than the sq dryer and are far superior in performance.

Post# 989182 , Reply# 11   4/2/2018 at 07:53 (2,213 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        

I have never had a Whirlpool/Kenmore dryer that I have liked. I want my clothes dryer to DRY the clothes especially towels and heavy loads. I have never had consistent or satisfying results with a WP/KM dryer. I hate the lint filter on top as well, all it does is make a huge mess with fine lint!

I have my SQ dryer over 9 years and never had an issue with performance and I am also into having a matched set.

I also liked my 1990's GE (filter-flo era) dryer as well.

A dryer should dry clothes, I have never had an issue with burned clothes in my SQ


Post# 989193 , Reply# 12   4/2/2018 at 11:53 (2,213 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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The trick w/the WP topmount filter is pull it out for cleaning while the machine is running.  The bits of lint will get sucked down and out ... but carefully so a large wad of lint doesn't come off and get down there.


Post# 989195 , Reply# 13   4/2/2018 at 12:26 (2,213 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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it's all in the wrist!

Post# 989200 , Reply# 14   4/2/2018 at 13:07 (2,213 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Agreed with other posts about SQ dryers running way too hot.  We had an Amana pair (SQ clones) and the dryer ran so hot that the air being discharged out of the vent smelled like somebody was ironing the clothes.  The only setting it knew was "extra crispy."

 

I would never recommend a SQ dryer under any circumstances.  Find an older Whirlpool or Kenmore with the filter access on top and you'll be happy with it.


Post# 989222 , Reply# 15   4/2/2018 at 19:11 (2,213 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I've had 3 dryers--1978 big door GE with electronic sensor; 1986 LK; 1993 ? Maytag Dependable Care.  I got rid of the GE pair when the speed clutch went out and was going to cost more $$ than I was willing to spend.  The thing I didn't like about the dry3er was the two auto dry cycles, the two fabric buttons selected high heat only.  Low heat was timed dry only, I felt that was unacceptable.  The LK dryer was wonderful, but at 7 years of age, the motor seized up.  And with the extra large drum and drop down door, I almost fell in way too many times.  I needed a dryer with a side-swing door.  Hence the Maytag, the TOL electromechanical dial model.  The only downside is the 6.2 cu. ft. drum was a challenge for full loads from the Lady Shredmore.  And with my Duet, full loads sometimes have to be split up.  Whenever I have to get a new dryer, it will be a WP product, but it will have a side-swing door.  Wouldn't mind having something that will be "compatible" with my 2011 Duet washer, although won't be a control panel definite match. 


Post# 989225 , Reply# 16   4/2/2018 at 19:46 (2,213 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)        

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My brand new Speed Queen dryer is superior to the others I've owned...Frigidaire, Whirlpool, Kenmore, Maytag, Norge (all gas) and a portable Hitachi. As a kid I dried a few things in my mom's old Apex gas dryer but it was too long ago to remember how well it worked. I do recall the glass window in the door got very hot. Prep time to operate it...lighting pilot with automotive spark plug, ignition and then setting timer and looking through burner viewing window to make sure everything was kosher, was time consuming but fun.


Post# 989232 , Reply# 17   4/2/2018 at 20:57 (2,213 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

I've never singed anything in my SQ dryer. There are only two temp options - delicate, regular/perm press, air fluff/no heat. I don't use the auto dry function; it takes too long. Most of my clothes are dried on the delicate setting and it takes about an hour for a full load. Towels I dry on regular heat. They take about 80 to a hundred minutes depending on how many bath sheets (extra large/thick bath towels) are included.

Here in Oz we don't have much choice with full-size dryers that match a full-size top loader. However, I can't complain as my dryer is a far superior choice to the regular fare that is available. Most Aussie laundries don't have a dedicated space for a full-size dryer, especially one that vents to the outside and requires a 20 AMP power outlet. Mostly Australian dryers are compact, hung above the washing machine, they vent into the room, take between half to two thirds of a regular wash load and require two to three times longer to dry what I can dry in an hour or less.

So, yes, I am very happy with my SQ dryer.


Post# 989262 , Reply# 18   4/3/2018 at 05:27 (2,213 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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Tony singed a sofa cover in my GE once!  I always used LOW heat all the time every time.  He, being the laundry EXPERT that he is (sarcasm intended) would switch it to HI heat...and it scorched!  Our current Frigidaire is not near as hot...I use the towels setting for nearly everything. 

I used a SQ electric coin op dryer in Florida 2 years ago.  It was new.  That thing was so hot.


Post# 990250 , Reply# 19   4/10/2018 at 22:26 (2,205 days old) by stljrs (St. Louis)        

I appreciate the comments. It's certainly a toss up. The Maytag is going back. It rattled from the start and now it's squeaking. The knob to start it is extremely cheap feeling. Plus the top slopes and the clothes slide off. Drying performance was actually good. Lowes has a great return policy. Our SQ wouldn't match regardless because we have last years washer. The store that sells them sells every one they can get. The top line has an unprecedented 7 year warranty. We're leaning to go in that direction.

Post# 990268 , Reply# 20   4/11/2018 at 05:26 (2,205 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
There Is Nothing WRONG With SQ Dryers

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They are rugged, fast, easy to service [ every functional part can be serviced-replaced without even moving the machine ], even a motor change only takes 15 minutes, try that on most newer dryers.

 

A new SQD will outlast 2-3 new LG, Samsung, GE or Electrolux dryers and the steel cabinets are strong enough to stand on.

 

Yes I do like the 29" WP built dryers but they are not what they used to be.

 

After selling and repairing SQ appliances for the last12 years I have not seen ONE single part that has been cheapened, every time I work on other brands of laundry appliances you see ways they are making them cheaper and cheaper and harder to service, going to heaven to me would be only having to work on SQ FL washers and their dryers.

 

John L.


Post# 990284 , Reply# 21   4/11/2018 at 08:22 (2,204 days old) by Helicaldrive (St. Louis)        
FWIW

I have two SQ dryers, the 9 electronic series with 4 temps (no heat, delicate, regular, and heavy duty).

At first I thought hmmm this dryer takes longer than my Newton Iowa Maytags did. And it took a little while to figure out what temp and dryness setting to use to get the result I wanted.

But once I got the hang of it, I get the exact result I want every time.

Both dryers perform identically.

It never ever balls sheets up, which is a huge plus for me. Also it actually properly tumbles a single item or just a handful of socks. Not many dryers can do that!

The build quality is so nice. It’s very quiet and smooth. The steel drum and fins never get blue stains with new jeans, and there’s no chipping or scratching like painted drums. It’d probably dry faster if it had a larger lint screen design like Newton IA Maytags or WP.

I dunno. For fun I put a digital roasting thermometer in it, empty on heavy duty; it topped 170 degrees but the exhaust vent never felt really hot. It’s never gotten too hot on me. Maybe there’s a difference with the knob or 8 series. ? I never use heavy duty. It seems to overdry on heavy duty and towels come out rough (like they did with my Maytag). Regular seems like the right temp for everything and you get the dryness result stated on the buttons. Low is very low. I can’t envision it ever actually drying a load on the low heat setting. That’s not a problem for me. I like to use it for clothes like polo shirts and khaki pants which I just dry on low for 15 minutes to dewrinkle and then I hang them to dry.

It does a perfect job of drying loads of underwear and socks on regular temp,near dry. The laundry is dry enough to fold but not over dried, even socks although they’re thicker. I dunno. It seems to be very easy on clothes. I don’t have socks and elastic pooping out from being over dried on heat too high.

If I did dry clothes all the way I’d use regular temp and less dry so the seams would be slightly damp and it’d stop before shrinkage.

It suits me just fine. Other people (with different laundry practices or needs?) have voiced frustration, so I dunno.

My vents are relatively short and direct with rigid metal and the shutter type vent covers outside, FWIW.


Post# 990353 , Reply# 22   4/11/2018 at 20:29 (2,204 days old) by Helicaldrive (St. Louis)        
Duh

Forgot to say: mine are gas.

Post# 990447 , Reply# 23   4/12/2018 at 16:11 (2,203 days old) by stljrs (St. Louis)        

So the dealer actually had a new in box of last year's model that will match which is what we are getting. It should also come with the piece that keeps socks from falling into the lint trap. This year's model does not, you have to buy it extra. I hope my Electric performs as well as the Gas dryer described by HelicalDrive and we'll be quite happy.

Post# 990480 , Reply# 24   4/12/2018 at 20:27 (2,203 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
New SQ Dryer

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I am sure you will be happy with this dryer, there is almost no difference between the performance behind full sized vented gas and electric dryers.

 

The main  difference is cost of operation, you save enough to pay back the cost of the dryer if you use natural gas and the gas dryer causes only about 1/3 of the damage to the environment in terms of carbon dioxide production.

 

The little lint filter guard is a mixed blessing, I find it easier to just scoop the lint out of the filter before you drag your dry clothes out of the dryer so they don't fall in the lint [ As a dealer I am glad SQ eliminated it ]

 

John L.


Post# 990515 , Reply# 25   4/13/2018 at 06:13 (2,202 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

"the gas dryer causes only about 1/3 of the damage to the environment in terms of carbon dioxide production."

Unless the electricity used to power the dryer comes from renewables like water, solar or wind.


Post# 990523 , Reply# 26   4/13/2018 at 07:22 (2,202 days old) by Helicaldrive (St. Louis)        
Hope it works

out and that you will be happy with your new SQ dryer!



Post# 990560 , Reply# 27   4/13/2018 at 11:20 (2,202 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Power supply In The US and most other countries as well

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Basically all solar, wind and hydro energy produced is used at all times, there are very few times if any when a particular power grid is being completely supplies by these renewable sources, hopefully some day they will be.

But today when ever you turn on any real power draw they make up the difference by burning more NG, oil or coal, and even if they are using NG to run that electric dryer they have to burn 2-3 times as much gas compared just burning the NG in the gas dryer.

They do not turn turn up production of the sun or wind etc when you turn on your dryer.

John L.


Post# 991034 , Reply# 28   4/16/2018 at 23:28 (2,199 days old) by Spinmon (st. charles mo )        
SQ fine

Our SQ electric dryer is almost 6 years old and performs well. It does seem hotter at times than our '96 KM '90',but overall the SQ does a good job.

DO watch for build-up on the heat inlet grill. I guess it's burnt liquid softener. Ours gets sharp carbon-like crusts on it that can't be good on clothes. I've replaced the grill once and try to keep it scraped clean now. The 'carbon' is mostly on the lower rows of holes in the grill.

SQ should CONCAVE this grill like WP/KM so the laundry isn't so constantly contacting it. As is,a minimalist design on an otherwise very good machine.


Post# 991083 , Reply# 29   4/17/2018 at 10:20 (2,198 days old) by stljrs (St. Louis)        

Delivered today! Certainly much quieter than either our old Kenmore or the more recent Maytag which was very loud from the beginning. Time will tell on the drying performance. Thanks for the advice to watch the build up.

Post# 991123 , Reply# 30   4/17/2018 at 13:52 (2,198 days old) by paulg (My sweet home... Chicago)        
I've got the 2005 pair

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We bought the SQ top-loader and matching dryer in 2005.
They've both been terrific. Dryer is basic, but it dries our clothes exactly as we set it. More dry, less dry.. whatever. No clothing damage.
Occasionally it starts to squeak. We do a LOT of laundry so when necessary I put in new rollers and glides and do standard maintenance to quiet it back down. However, in all the years of ownership it has never failed to dry properly.

The TL washer has been a workhorse. It only needed repair once, just about at the ten year mark. The transmission failed. SQ covered the part under warranty, I paid labor. Very pleased with the reliability.


Post# 991155 , Reply# 31   4/17/2018 at 17:52 (2,198 days old) by jcturbot (Central MA)        

Can those of you with a Speed Queen Dryer do me a favor and give me a measurement of the Dryer Door, both width and height.

Thanks,
Jeff


Post# 991232 , Reply# 32   4/18/2018 at 10:27 (2,197 days old) by glomain (tuscarawas cnty. (eastern ohio))        
size

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23 wide by 18 1/4 high

Post# 991255 , Reply# 33   4/18/2018 at 14:20 (2,197 days old) by jcturbot (Central MA)        

Thanks glomain.

Anyone have a Stackable Speed Queen that could do the same and measure the door of the Dryer.

Jeff


Post# 991311 , Reply# 34   4/18/2018 at 19:42 (2,197 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Stackable SQ dryer door

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Is exactly the same door.


Post# 991337 , Reply# 35   4/18/2018 at 22:28 (2,197 days old) by stljrs (St. Louis)        

So we took the advice in one response and started with Regular Cycle (Medium Heat)and Near Dry. The loads come out soft and dry. The dryer cools down at the end of the cycle. It doesn't seem to take much if any longer than the Maytag. It doesn't seem excessively hot, at least not on Medium. It's definitely smooth and relatively quiet. We have the 9 series model. At this point, I am so glad we returned the Maytag and spent a little more for this SQ.

Post# 991341 , Reply# 36   4/18/2018 at 23:36 (2,197 days old) by Helicaldrive (St. Louis)        
Forgot to say

It defaults to Eco Dry and I leave it on that.

For lightweight items I’d select Permanent Press to avoid overdrying. If you just play around with selecting cycles, without starting it, you’ll note that Perm Press Near Dry states a shorter dry time than Regular ND or Heavy Duty ND The stated drying time at the start is supposed to be the average time the last 7 loads on that cycle/settings took. Even so it seems to use a combo of the sensor plus some computerized pre-calculation of how long it intends to run for the load based upon loads in the past. If you first dry a heavy bulky load on Regular Near Dry, say two cotton blankets you infrequently dry, and that take a long time, then next a more lightweight load on the same, say a load of very old towels that dry fast, it will overdry the next lighter load that time — even though ordinarily it doesn’t. Now I know people are going to say that makes no sense, but I swear that happens.

I just remembered the instruction manual says to use Heavy Duty for blankets — probably to avoid the scenario I just described. Next time I’m going to use Heavy Duty for blankets but change the default high heat down to medium.

The only other thing it does that’s weird— when I dried two cotton blankets that were new and very linty, the automatic cycle went off after the stated time at the beginning, let’s just say 58 minutes, but they were still wet because the lint trap got completely full very soon into the cycle. So I took out the lint and started the same cycle over from the beginning. When I started it, it said 58 minutes but the time counted down extremely fast, and it claimed they were dry and shut off again within 15 minutes. As if it had a mind of its own and decided: nope, did that load already, I told you it was dry the first time, I’m telling you again it’s dry, and I’m done!

It’s not a perfect dryer but it’s still very nice and it rarely acts weird. You will soon get the hang of how to set it to get the result you want for particular loads.


Post# 991356 , Reply# 37   4/19/2018 at 02:20 (2,197 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
I like

The 80s Hotpoint I'm using now, it works just fine.

Post# 991360 , Reply# 38   4/19/2018 at 05:35 (2,196 days old) by jcturbot (Central MA)        

combo52,
You sure about the door being the same?

From what I am hearing they are both the same width at 23 1/4" but the height is different.

The regular Dryers door is 18 1/4" but the Stack door is 13 1/4" height.

Jeff


Post# 991365 , Reply# 39   4/19/2018 at 06:08 (2,196 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        

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13 1/4" Tall ? you couldn't even easily load clothing through a door that short, I just measured the door on a new SQ FL Stack on our showroom and the door on a ten YO SQ stack dryer and they are both 18 1/4" high.

 

John L.


Post# 991411 , Reply# 40   4/19/2018 at 14:02 (2,196 days old) by jcturbot (Central MA)        

Thanks for the info John, that's what I wanted to hear.

A gentleman had a SQ Dryer Door for sale on ebay and it measured out at 13 1/4" height....not sure what it fit.

Jeff


Post# 993811 , Reply# 41   5/10/2018 at 17:32 (2,175 days old) by stljrs (St. Louis)        

We have seen the hiccup where you put it back in because it's not quite dry and it cycles through very quickly and still not dry. At that point we just used a timed dry cycle. But it's only happened once and I think the load was very small so perhaps not enough volume in there to trigger the sensor.

Overall it works quite well and it actually is nice having the lint trap in the front. Keeps from getting lint all over the top of the dryer like with the top style on Whirlpool.


Post# 993821 , Reply# 42   5/10/2018 at 19:00 (2,175 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit)        
"getting lint all over the top"

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That's the one thing that annoys me about my 29" Whirlpool.

Post# 993928 , Reply# 43   5/11/2018 at 23:24 (2,174 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
KM/WP Dryer

Our old Kenmore 80 series dryer was pretty good. It had the lint filter at the top, which was convenient to empty the lint during the cycle. It never seemed to get hot though. I do miss the soft heat system and the ability to empty the lint during the cycle. However, the new Duet dryer drys far more evenly and gets things up to temperature. This is an issue though. I find that I can't use the normal cycle to dry as it slightly over dries and uses far too high of heat ~150F. The Casual cycle is my to go to, however it under dries using the more dry setting. I, too, have never been overly impressed with a KM/WP dryer. Oh, and how could I forget the ubiquitous dryer thump. They all have it! Although I do not feel that any other company makes a dryer that I would be any more happy with except Miele which I have never used.

Post# 993957 , Reply# 44   5/12/2018 at 08:22 (2,173 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        
Whirlpool Dryer Lint Mess

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On the later WP dryers, pull the screen and clean it over the hole while the machine is running, the blower will suck all the dust back into the machine and out the vent. No mess.

Post# 993985 , Reply# 45   5/12/2018 at 13:00 (2,173 days old) by dylanmitchell (Southern California)        
SQ Dryer is nothing special and moisture sensor is worthless

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SQ dryer is a quality piece, has a strong blower, easy to clean lint filter, and lets you fine-tune dry cycles with the manual settings which you'll be doing because the moisture sensor is worthless. SQ dryers are nothing special and sensor dry leaves clothes wet or overcooks them so I do 60 minutes on low heat for most loads. If anything is still wet like towels I'll take out the delicate stuff then run on high temp for 30 minutes or so. Sturdy stuff or stuff I don't care about like rags goes in for 60 minutes on high temp and it drys the hell out of it. Either from using the manual setting or just being an energy hog the SQ dryer is burning through more gas. And love the exhaust sound you can hear outside through the dryer exhaust vent this thing roars with power and blows like hell kind of awesome.


Mine is a 2017 ADGE9RGS and I see no reason to buy any SQ product made after 2017.


Post# 994007 , Reply# 46   5/12/2018 at 16:21 (2,173 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit)        
Greg(gansky1)

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Mine is a 1965, the first time I used it, having previously had a late 2000s model I pulled out the screen while running and got a face full of lint dust. Although I think it actually produces less lint overall, I think it has to do with lacking the true vanes on the drum and having the indents instead. The same washer was being used for both.


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