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Post# 988915   3/31/2018 at 04:01 by Countryford (Phoenix, AZ)        

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I picked up this little gem yesterday. Guy who was selling it got it in a house he was flipping. It's never been removed from the box. Tomorrow, when I get it home, I'll take more pictures.

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Post# 988916 , Reply# 1   3/31/2018 at 04:39 by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Nice score!


Post# 988917 , Reply# 2   3/31/2018 at 04:39 by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Wow! Congratulations on such a neat find! Made in Japan for Hotpoint? 


Post# 988936 , Reply# 3   3/31/2018 at 09:23 by chetlaham (United States)        
To Lucky! Im jealous!

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I've always wanted a new in box mini. Especially an older one like that. I think you hit the jackpot.

Post# 988943 , Reply# 4   3/31/2018 at 10:39 by Gorenje (Slovenia)        

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Wow, wow, wow !! Congratulations!

Post# 988955 , Reply# 5   3/31/2018 at 13:28 by hippiedoll (tucson, arizona u.s.a.)        
WOWZERS!!

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What a lucky find!
CONGRATULATIONS!

is it a portable washing machine?
If so, that is really cute!
:o)


Post# 988968 , Reply# 6   3/31/2018 at 15:01 by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

They are pretty terrible washers if it is one of the earlier ones. Toward the end of the run, they modified it to alternate the fill valve with the drain pump, I believe, so that it did not sudslock as badly as the earlier machines. It had a rectangular spray head at the rear of the tub opening that sprayed a nice shower on the spinning load. It still managed to tie the load in knots, but they were just ahead of the times by 50 years.

Post# 989020 , Reply# 7   3/31/2018 at 21:23 by Countryford (Phoenix, AZ)        

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Some pictures as I unboxed it. The box is not in great shape. Water damage and disintegrating.

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Post# 989021 , Reply# 8   3/31/2018 at 21:24 by chetlaham (United States)        
ahead of the times by 50 years

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This statement is true in every way possible. This design would literally set the standard for almost every new washer built today. Separate drain pump, 4 point rod and spring suspension, permanent split capacitor motor, splutch, brake band, impeller, and I am sure I missed a few.

Post# 989028 , Reply# 9   3/31/2018 at 22:17 by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        
Interesting

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I'm confused.  The connections for the water supply would indicate that this isn't a portable machine, yet it's on casters.  What purpose do the casters serve?


Post# 989029 , Reply# 10   3/31/2018 at 22:17 by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        
Interesting Find

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I'm confused, though.  The connections for the water supply would indicate that this isn't a portable machine, yet it's on casters.  What purpose do the casters serve?


Post# 989032 , Reply# 11   3/31/2018 at 22:30 by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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It’s probably a convertible like some of the Whirlpool portables were. My Whirlpool portable could either be hooked up to the sink, like a portable dishwasher, or to hot and cold supply lines just like a regular automatic. I used mine both ways, depending on whether or not I had regular water and drain connections. So the casters were for when it was used as a portable. If used as a regularlly connected automatic the casters were locked int place to prevent movement.
Eddie


Post# 989037 , Reply# 12   3/31/2018 at 23:29 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Exactly!

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My vintage Whirlpool (in Harvest Gold) WP compact washer was a "convertible" model. One could use it either way; stationary or portable.

To use it as a portable besides castors instead of feet, one set the water temperature controls to "Cold/Cold". Wash and or rinse temperatures were then controlled from the tap.

It has been awhile and machine has long since been sold onto another member but, IIRC one capped off the rinse water hose port and just used the wash side. When used as a portable a "quick connect" dishwasher type hose was used. Two hoses; one for drain, other for wash/rinse water.

For stationary all this palver was reversed; two water hoses, a separate drain hose and feet instead of castors.


There are of course *other* ways to make said washer "stationary". Mine's wouldn't dare though.... *LOL*






Post# 989038 , Reply# 13   4/1/2018 at 00:24 by appnut (TX)        

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Looks just like its GE branded cousin. 


Post# 989049 , Reply# 14   4/1/2018 at 01:27 by hippiedoll (tucson, arizona u.s.a.)        
So shiney!

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Can't wait to see a video of this cute lil machine in action
:o)


Post# 989085 , Reply# 15   4/1/2018 at 12:32 by lesto (Atlanta)        

I suppose this is the forerunner to the crappy impeller washers on the market today.

Post# 989086 , Reply# 16   4/1/2018 at 13:04 by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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That's a very cool find Justin, it's an early model because the spin tub is all porcelain, later on the rim of the tub was plastic.

Post# 989130 , Reply# 17   4/1/2018 at 21:27 by potatochips (Nova Scotia)        

Congratulations! What a find, my grandparents had a Sanyo machine like this at our old cottage.

Side note, how well do these machines clean?


Post# 989188 , Reply# 18   4/2/2018 at 09:52 by mistereric (USA)        

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What a cutie! My GE version of the same gets occasional use, but its got a VERY noisy bearing and changing it is over my head.

Post# 989213 , Reply# 19   4/2/2018 at 16:21 by newvista58 (Northern NJ)        
MOST EXCELLENT JUSTIN....

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That is a very Cool machine. Wishing
you lots of fun with it. NOS is awesome!

Louis


Post# 989239 , Reply# 20   4/2/2018 at 22:26 by Washerlover (Lake County, California: Wines With Altitude)        

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How fun and congrats! Have to laugh about “water damage” to the carton — is there any water in Arizona?! Have fun and looking forward to hearing and seeing more about this interesting and intriguing machine!

Post# 989270 , Reply# 21   4/3/2018 at 07:49 by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Looks pretty.

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You know, I've used this style of washer frequently and there's a lot to be said for them:

They clean quite well and frequently spin out very well.

If enough water is used, the cycle is the appropriate length and the washer not overloaded they don't tangle clothes as badly as their reputation. Yes, they can tangle clothes more easily than an agitator washer, but nowhere near as bad as all that.

I'm looking forward to seeing her in action!


Post# 989390 , Reply# 22   4/4/2018 at 02:57 by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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She looks like she will be a lot of fun to watch working, so enjoy her in the best of health...

I have seen a lot of amazing new finds, decades out, just now coming right out of their boxes, & enough to wonder if we have a thread going on them or should get one started...



-- Dave


Post# 989410 , Reply# 23   4/4/2018 at 09:28 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
Nice machine!

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If the machine does tend to suds-lock, try using the 'High Efficiency' detergents to keep the foam under control.

Post# 989412 , Reply# 24   4/4/2018 at 09:54 by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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--Or a vintage "Low Sudsing" laundry soap, if you can find...



-- Dave


Post# 992345 , Reply# 25   4/28/2018 at 03:07 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Aaaaaaaaand it's mine, wooo hoo

After nearly a month of a misterious negotiation, Darryl and I are the new owners of this Hotpoint Washer.

For decades I've been curious about this portable washer and tomorrow I'll run the very first load with clothes in it.

Of course I'll make tons of videos for you guys. Hopefully in less than 24 hours.

And.... This cute washer now lives in Los Angeles.


Post# 992443 , Reply# 26   4/29/2018 at 01:29 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Some pics...

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Post# 992445 , Reply# 27   4/29/2018 at 01:42 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        
First impressions

I've ran four loads in it this afternoon, plus a random test load this morning, when Justin delivered the washer.

1) It is extremely gentle on clothes and has a very good cleaning performance.
2) It's nearly silent, more silent than the Magic Chef 1.6 cu ft, except for the brake solenoid.
3) It does not have spins between rinses, only the final spin.
4) There are 2 rinses as default. (Ive heard people talking about 3 rinses)
5) The extraction is quite impressive for the size of that machine. Does anybody know what is the spin speed?
6) The only marks are some cardboard stains near the bottom of the washer, minimal thing, it will probably disappear after I polish it.
7) It was super easy to bypass the lid switch. I didn't even need to remove the top, just placed a rubber washer under the switch to keep it on all the time.
8) Its drum is very heavy, it takes more than 40 seconds to coast down. when the brake activates it stops almost instantly.
7) I'm very, very, very happy with it. I was always curious about this washer and Darryl loves Ge/Hotpoint appliances.



Post# 992508 , Reply# 28   4/29/2018 at 15:13 by hippiedoll (tucson, arizona u.s.a.)        
CONGRATULATIONS!!

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Glad to hear that this cute little washing machine found a good home that will take care of it and use & appreciate it
:o)

Looking forward to seeing the videos
:o)


Post# 992590 , Reply# 29   4/30/2018 at 02:00 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Thank you!

I'll make videos as soon as I have a decent full load for it.

Today I washed some cleaning rags, then a load of unmentionables, now i have a load of blacks, but it won't be nice on video because of the black drum.

I'm looking forward to have a full load of light colors to make a video.

This little gem is still impressing me. It always looks "weak" or "a bit overloaded" and it makes me think it won't clean well... Ha ha... it always manages to surprise me. The results are always perfect, even with a full load of white towels that was very dirty.


Post# 992938 , Reply# 30   5/3/2018 at 04:32 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Does anybody know if there was a matching dryer for this washer and if yes, what model was it? Do you have at least pictures of it?

Post# 992952 , Reply# 31   5/3/2018 at 09:33 by wiskybill (Canton, Ohio)        
Thomas

I have the matching dryer for my GE version of this washer. I could post the picture but I won't be home until Tuesday. If nobody posts before then, I will.
Bill


Post# 992960 , Reply# 32   5/3/2018 at 13:54 by Revvinkevin (Between Mickey Mouse & the Queen Mary (So. Cal.)        
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Thomas, I believe the spin speed is 900 rpm.


Post# 992993 , Reply# 33   5/3/2018 at 17:46 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Question to the experts.

Why did the japanese engineers used an oblong shape for the drum?
If it was only for the hydrodinamics during wash, it is quite understandable, not a big deal, affect the capacity minimally but improves the cleaning power.

The extraction in that washer is really intriguing. Kevin confirmed it's 900 RPM,just in case I'll run the tachometer to reconfirm this info but it extracts too much water for that diameter and RPM. I mean, maybe 15% more, it's a giant discrepancy. It is almost like this washer managed to break the fisics laws!

Different from all the theory we know about centrifugal forces, RPM and hole pattern, would the oblong drum cause that? What else could make it extract so much water? Am I missing something?

Other possibility is if that washer spins at 1100 to 1350 rpm (which i obviously doubt) then the result would be the same as predicted with the G-force formula.


Post# 993490 , Reply# 34   5/8/2018 at 07:23 by wiskybill (Canton, Ohio)        
as promised...

washer model WWP1150VAJWH

dryer model DDP1200VACWH


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Post# 993496 , Reply# 35   5/8/2018 at 08:53 by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
Just because it's old and cute does not make it great.

More than 4 decades ago, the poor rinsing caused friends to have to visit the dermatologist to find the reason for the rash in their underwear regions. It was determined to be contact dermatitis from inadequate rinsing so everything had to go through additional rinses. I have no idea of their laundering habits, but be cautious of the rinsing and make sure that the last rinse water is not slippery from detergent still left in the fabrics. The machine has such a terrible tendency to suds lock that it did not spin between water changes so the rinsing is impaired. 

 

It would make a great companion to a GE combo to get some real water extraction before the drying.


Post# 993605 , Reply# 36   5/9/2018 at 11:50 by chetlaham (United States)        

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Its possible they were adding detergent as though it was a full size- similar to half size dishwashers with full size detergent cups.

Post# 993608 , Reply# 37   5/9/2018 at 13:14 by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
What a cutty pie!

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I thought the no spin between rinses was by design, rather than suds lock. Would Bill or Thomas clarify?
New in Box is such a delight; without this place, we'd never see them. I'd love to have that toy! Someday, maybe we'll get a huge trade-a-thon going.


Post# 993609 , Reply# 38   5/9/2018 at 13:23 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Tom, the rinsing on that washer is not "wow, OMG, the best thing ever seen in my whole life", but it's also not bad. It is actually much better than many washer I've seen.

Lots of people say about this tendency to suds lock. I didn't see anything wrong with it until now. even using lots of detergent (i tend to overdose).

If i used only enough detergent and followed only the standard cycle, the rinse would be OK (not fantastic, but far from being poor)

Anyway, I'm a little paranoid about rinsing. If I see a single bubble on the drain water I always rinse again. I don't even consider going to the final rinse without spinning the load first and I never run a load rinsing less than 3 times before the final rinse with softener.

The extraction in that washer is amazing (for that size). I would say it's even better than many full size top load washers from those years. But anyway, even clothes spun at "Samtag" or the LG front load go to the spin dryer before going to the dryer. I spin up to the very last drop, to save as much gas and electricity as possible on the dryer.

Also, this washer is a little treasure. Of course I won't use it as frequently because i want to preserve it as new as possible for many years.

 


Post# 993610 , Reply# 39   5/9/2018 at 13:31 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        
Mickeyd

I don't understant that very well, but it seems that some versions don't spin between rinses, and other versions do (and have suds lock issues)

My unit doesn't spin between rinses, only the final spin.

i've done some tests exactly to try to cause a suds locks (lots of detergent, like 3 scoops of tide) and spun right after the wash. NO suds lock at all!

Actually I loved the pump layout very well made to push the air out of it as soon as the hose before it is full of water, different from nearly 100% of modern pump layouts that struggle with a tiny air bubble.



Post# 993611 , Reply# 40   5/9/2018 at 13:38 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

The agitation also doesn't disturb the water surface that much, so it doesn't create foam and the gentle swirling pops the bubbles. When you start the washer, the fill jet will create a world of suds, but then, during the wash the foam disappears, it's actually boring. (anyway, foam doesn't clean)

I can't imagine this washer causing suds lock if used following the cycles on the timer. Maybe if I put a whole box of detergent and force spin while it is still full of water.

Also, the gap between the drum and the bottom of the tub is huge (you start filling the washer and it takes forever to reach the drum), so there is more-than-enough space to spin without the water reaching the bottom of the drum, even with a slow pump.


Post# 993612 , Reply# 41   5/9/2018 at 13:42 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Full cycle

Part 1: 



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Post# 993613 , Reply# 42   5/9/2018 at 13:43 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Part 2



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Post# 993614 , Reply# 43   5/9/2018 at 13:44 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Part 3 



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Post# 993615 , Reply# 44   5/9/2018 at 13:48 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Part 4

Of course this cycle was just for demonstration (Thanks Kevin for lending the test load)

I would never think about doing my laundry with only two rinses, no matter what washer, but the videos would be too long if I did the 5 or 6 rinses I usually do on whatever top load washer.



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Post# 993659 , Reply# 45   5/9/2018 at 17:59 by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

well, I am not going to try to convince anyone against their will, but it could not spin, even after the first rinse without sudlocking as the water was spun out of the fabrics and filled the area between the tubs with foam. It had a hard enough time doing it after the second deep rinse because the wash water had not been extracted from the load. The machine does not provide vigorous agitation like an agiator washer to flush water through the fabrics. That is why my friends got rashes. We found this rinsing situation in the shop, too, even with controlled sudsing detergent. Maybe with Rosalie's Zero Suds you could get away with a spin earlier in the cycle, but that detergent, with no suds, if left in clothes will give nasty rashes, too.

Enjoy your toy. I am happy for you. Zesser Gottenu.


Post# 993704 , Reply# 46   5/10/2018 at 02:35 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Tom, That's interesting...

Is there any possibility they used two different designs for the tub?

I didn't take my washer apart (and I won't do it) but once I start filling, it takes several seconds for the water to reach the drum.

The drum even fills about 1 inch (before the bottom row of holes) because my water pressure is really high, but if i stop the washer, it will flow to the sump and the drum will drain completelly.

It means there is A LOT of space (and consequently this washer is far from being water efficient)

As I said, I did a test only to try to cause a suds lock (3 scoops of tide and an overload of towels) I wanted to intentionally cause THE king of the suds lock and nothing happened. It spun the water adn it never reached the bottom of the drum. It was spinning at full speed and for almost a minute there was water (and foam) coming out of the drain hose.

Anyway, Thanks for the advice, I always rinse much more than the regular cycle. I can even let any washer complete the original cycle, but then I always repeat several times until i see the drain water 100% clear, then i run an extra rinse with the fabric softener.


Post# 993705 , Reply# 47   5/10/2018 at 03:21 by chetlaham (United States)        

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@thomasortega: I don't expect this washer to disappoint. The people who designed this did their home work. I mean this washer is 40 years ahead of its time- they knew how to pioneer original design.

Post# 993771 , Reply# 48   5/10/2018 at 13:42 by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

I totally agree...

Ah, those Japanese engineers..... they don't have brains, they have supercomputers in their heads.

That washer is surprising even today.





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