Thread Number: 75236
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
Early Europeanen automatic front loading machines |
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Post# 990603 , Reply# 1   4/13/2018 at 16:42 (2,201 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 990669 , Reply# 3   4/14/2018 at 02:01 (2,201 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Hospital laundry looks and looked totally different. Although some modern machines look like huge front loaders.
Here's a link to Miele's hospital laundry: www.miele.de/professional... Here's a picture of a hospital laundry in prewar Antwerps. And another picture of a modern hospital laundry machine made in China. |
Post# 990686 , Reply# 6   4/14/2018 at 09:06 (2,201 days old) by Helicaldrive (St. Louis)   |   | |
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For posting all this! Looks like the Euro FL’s were much more sophisticated and higher quality than the American Bendix and Westinghouse of that era. Did the Euro FLs reverse the tumbling direction in that early era? |
Post# 990721 , Reply# 9   4/14/2018 at 17:03 (2,200 days old) by nokia2010 (Bucureşti, România (Bucharest, Romania))   |   | |
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Ha. I've forgot about that aspect. Automatic washing machines are needing detergent with less foaming. Probably "Henkel" (which ownes the brand "Persil") made something. Wait a minute, I do have some West-German 1961-1962 fashion magazines. I will look throught them... can't find any digitized German catalogue from that period. |
Post# 990734 , Reply# 10   4/14/2018 at 18:44 (2,200 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Cannot speak for other brands, but Henkel's *Persil 59* was their first non-soap laundry detergent that relied upon surfactants (anionic), phosphates and supposedly contained "foam intensifiers". It was designed for "pulsator and agitator" washing machines.
Henkel actually had been losing market share in 1950's as housewives and others moved away from soap for wash day, so Persil 59 was their answer. As with many other detergents sold in Europe at that time Persil 59 could be used in wash tubs, boilers and or washing machines. Have used up to 1/4 cup in either my older Miele washer or newer AEG Oko-Lavamat and neither have any issues with froth or whatever. Stuff cleans rather well, but likely this is because it is also loaded with phosphates. Henkel would not phase out that substance until the 1980's when they were replaces with zeolites (SASIL). www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T... Persil 65 was Henkel's first laundry detergent designed for use in top loading and H-Axis washing machines, along with boilers and hand washing. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Museales-Highli... From Henkel's website: "Persil quickly made its name on the market, winning the trust of consumers. To assure consumers of the product’s consistently high quality, Persil was given a manufacturer’s warranty. Advertisements also emphasized its dependable cleaning power, carrying the slogan: ”Only Persil is Persil”. The “White Lady,” created in 1922, is probably Persil’s most famous advertising image. She featured on placards and metal signs until the beginning of the 1960s. When she started smiling again for Persil in 1950 for the first time since the World War II, she conveyed to many Germans the feeling that lasting peace had finally arrived. In the 50s and early 60s, the detergent market was revolutionized by the growing popularity of domestic washing machines. Persil responded to these new requirements by launching “Persil 59” – a synthetic laundry detergent that was also suitable for machine washing. In the 1960s New textiles such as the man-made fibers of nylon and Perlon also appeared on the scene alongside traditional fabrics such as cotton or linen. On January 1, 1965, Henkel presented Persil 65, a genuine heavy-duty detergent with temperature-dependent foam control, which provided optimal care for the new fabrics as well. In 1986, Henkel once again underscored its pioneering role as market leader, bringing phosphate-free Persil onto the shelves. Here too Henkel set a standard: all household detergents in Germany are now phosphate-free" www.persilstore.com/persils-histo... |
Post# 990738 , Reply# 11   4/14/2018 at 19:39 (2,200 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)   |   | |
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Ah - thanks for that! |
Post# 990745 , Reply# 12   4/14/2018 at 20:19 (2,200 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Totally forget that Henkel came out with Dixan in 1959. That product was (supposedly) less foaming and thus for use in washing machines.
www.henkel.com/brands-and... www.alamy.com/stock-photo-adverti... picclick.de/Waschpulver-Umkarton... It is important to remember that much of Europe and UK were still dealing with the aftermath of WWII well into the 1960's. This applied to consumer goods such as washing machines and other laundry appliances. In the USA largest movement in post war years was movement from semi-automatics (mostly wringer washers) to fully automatic top loaders. Meanwhile across the pond for various reasons housewives/households were still doing washing by hand. That and or using various semi or fully automatic washing machines. In UK as we know women were saddled with twin tub washers.. Thus laundry detergent makers had to come up with products in Europe that were suited to all and sundry various types of washing; h-axis, top loaders, pulsators, twin tubs, kochewasche (boiling), and hand washing. Adding even more petrol to that fire was arrival of man made fibers (nylon and so forth) that were taking on and in some cases over from linen and cotton fabrics of old. I cannot imagine sleeping on nylon bed linen, but apparently the things sold quite well in post war Europe. Movement from soap to man made surfactants was all very well. But those early anionic types created lots of froth. In the USA that wasn't minded much because housewives seem to want (early versions of low suds Tide bombed; but when foam was increased, sales took off), and top loading washers dominated market. OTOH in Europe after a slow start h-axis washers began to edge up in sales until they became the dominate type of machine sold. Henkel also came out with another detergent called Dato (have some in my stash), which seems to be designed for synthetic fabrics. |
Post# 990748 , Reply# 13   4/14/2018 at 20:25 (2,200 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)   |   | |
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LOL |
Post# 990753 , Reply# 15   4/14/2018 at 21:12 (2,200 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 990754 , Reply# 16   4/14/2018 at 21:16 (2,200 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 990755 , Reply# 17   4/14/2018 at 21:18 (2,200 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 990760 , Reply# 18   4/14/2018 at 22:03 (2,200 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Can understand to an extent why European/UK housewives flocked to nylon; after centuries of dealing with (often heavy) linen, then cotton (ditto), that required effort to wash, ages to dry then having to be ironed; nylon must have seemed like a gift from God.
Problem is the thing is famously flammable thus not the sort of thing you want to sleep in or with; especially for children/infants. |
Post# 990779 , Reply# 19   4/15/2018 at 03:55 (2,200 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 990785 , Reply# 21   4/15/2018 at 06:13 (2,200 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Early Schwanweiss and Sunil (amongst others) were all mostly meant for wash tubs/kochewasch.
www.schoeneseife.de/2012/04/22/su... |
Post# 990786 , Reply# 22   4/15/2018 at 06:28 (2,200 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Sunil was already an exciting brand, but they changed the formula soon after automatic washing machines on the market here. The Netherlands adapted rather quickly to automatics, so detergent manufacturers changed their products soon to step into a hole in the market.
Here's a thread with ads from the 50's, 60's and 70's. www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T... |
Post# 990789 , Reply# 23   4/15/2018 at 06:50 (2,200 days old) by nokia2010 (Bucureşti, România (Bucharest, Romania))   |   | |
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Curiosity: in the '50's and '60's in Europe there imported automatic front loaders from U.S.A.? There where any brand manufcaturing 'em here? |
Post# 990791 , Reply# 24   4/15/2018 at 07:20 (2,200 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 990796 , Reply# 26   4/15/2018 at 07:59 (2,200 days old) by nokia2010 (Bucureşti, România (Bucharest, Romania))   |   | |
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But I'm still curios: that "Constructa" from 1953 does have a flotor? Beeing the 1st automatic front loader beeing made in Europe, they where copyed from other brands or the engineers just looked through some documenation and designed that washing machine? |
Post# 990809 , Reply# 27   4/15/2018 at 10:49 (2,200 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 990909 , Reply# 29   4/15/2018 at 23:25 (2,199 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Made several references to American machines; but nothing about Bendix.
patents.google.com/patent/DE9724... patents.google.com/patent/DE1182... wiki.bsh-group.com/en/wiki/Histo... |
Post# 991014 , Reply# 31   4/16/2018 at 18:43 (2,198 days old) by nokia2010 (Bucureşti, România (Bucharest, Romania))   |   | |
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The 1st one is an dryer. Probably the pair of 700 washing machine. An "Matura" (probably around 1960). |
Post# 991393 , Reply# 32   4/19/2018 at 10:42 (2,196 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)   |   | |
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Post# 1131124 , Reply# 34   10/14/2021 at 14:06 (922 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 1131225 , Reply# 37   10/16/2021 at 08:42 (920 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 1131236 , Reply# 39   10/16/2021 at 11:50 (920 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 1131243 , Reply# 40   10/16/2021 at 15:02 (920 days old) by nokia2010 (Bucureşti, România (Bucharest, Romania))   |   | |
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No, that machines dosen't have it any longer. What I'm talking about can be seen here starting at 4:40. The camera points at it around 4:49. I think he next model had that thing too. I will ad a commerical too. But why this "Bauknecht" had 2 portholes? |
Post# 1131248 , Reply# 41   10/16/2021 at 16:28 (919 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)   |   | |
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Do you mean door seals ?
The bolt down machines just have 2 rubber seals that press together when the door is closed as the tub doesn't move you do not need a moving seal. Non bolt down that have springs and tensioners need a door boot to seal the moving tub to the stationary one this boot moves with the tub. Hope this helps ? Also the older machines had a soap hopper on the top of the cabinet to allow you to add powder etc these then moved on to become soap drawers in newer machines. Although some newer machines which are commercial laundry items they still had soap hoppers. |
Post# 1131275 , Reply# 42   10/17/2021 at 01:22 (919 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 1131279 , Reply# 43   10/17/2021 at 05:21 (919 days old) by nokia2010 (Bucureşti, România (Bucharest, Romania))   |   | |
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Sorry, I made a mistake. "Bauknecht" 505 haves 2 doors. As for the "Constructa", I made a circle around that pice that puzzles me.
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Post# 1131527 , Reply# 44   10/20/2021 at 19:07 (915 days old) by nokia2010 (Bucureşti, România (Bucharest, Romania))   |   | |
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But what machines was this? brand-history.com/henkel-central... For what did the "Constructa" had a flotor? When in Sweeden where made the 1st front loading automatics? |
Post# 1149933 , Reply# 45   5/31/2022 at 02:42 (693 days old) by fmatic (Argentina)   |   | |
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Hey everyone! Just found this thread, very interesting info. Here I have this really rare General Electric front loader. Pretty sure it was made in Europe, but i couldn't find any information about this one. Anything you might know will help! |
Post# 1154088 , Reply# 46   7/12/2022 at 08:52 (651 days old) by VilleMatias1 (Kontio)   |   | |
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Here is a small top-loading upo washing machine made in Finland in 1975 CLICK HERE TO GO TO VilleMatias1's LINK
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Post# 1154091 , Reply# 47   7/12/2022 at 09:26 (651 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 1154202 , Reply# 50   7/13/2022 at 13:19 (650 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 1154300 , Reply# 51   7/14/2022 at 15:35 (649 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)   |   | |
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" Letting a machine run like that without bolting it to the floor should be a deadly sin!"
Hi Louis, I have to correct you in that. Those old Indesit machines were not supposed to be bolted at all. They where made with a tub fixed to the outer casing and they had no suspension. They were made instand on casters on the bottom. They were meant to "float" on the flor during the spin cycle like for example the old legendary small Rex toploader P5 (or Naonis) or the Eudora washers. CLICK HERE TO GO TO gorenje's LINK |
Post# 1154303 , Reply# 52   7/14/2022 at 16:35 (648 days old) by statomatic (France)   |   | |
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Post# 1154374 , Reply# 54   7/15/2022 at 16:43 (647 days old) by statomatic (France)   |   | |
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Post# 1155811 , Reply# 55   8/2/2022 at 18:14 (629 days old) by VilleMatias1 (Kontio)   |   | |
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I can't understand why someone destroys these wonderful washing machines, this one is also wonderful CLICK HERE TO GO TO VilleMatias1's LINK
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Post# 1155836 , Reply# 56   8/2/2022 at 23:45 (629 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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Link doesn't work. |
Post# 1156267 , Reply# 57   8/7/2022 at 16:26 (624 days old) by VilleMatias1 (Kontio)   |   | |
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Does anyone recognize these
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Post# 1156692 , Reply# 58   8/12/2022 at 01:57 (620 days old) by VilleMatias1 (Kontio)   |   | |
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Here is my grandmother's washing machine aeg turnamat 1966
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Post# 1167880 , Reply# 60   12/30/2022 at 14:43 (480 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Henkel's "Sil" was largely sodium perborate. It was claimed using product in first rinse helped prevent greying, yellowing, removed marks not shifted during wash...
Much of the reason behind Henkel's German wash trinity (Henko, Persil, Sil) was that Persil still was soap based product by late 1950's. Meanwhile Unilever came out with Sunil which was a detergent (Henkel had Dixan). Because Sunil was a detergent much of the need to pre-soak, add various additives and use something in first rinse was eliminated. www.automaticwasher.org/c... When soap is used on wash day first (and maybe second) rinse must be hot to boiling or at least warm water. If cold water is used right after a hot or warm water wash soap will solidify back into fabrics trapping dirt and schmutz with it. This residue leads to "tattle-tale grey" wash. Detergents OTOH don't have this issue which is one of the reasons why they largely displaced soap on wash day. |