Thread Number: 75309
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Post# 991530 , Reply# 1   4/20/2018 at 11:15 (2,169 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)   |   | |
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Post# 991531 , Reply# 2   4/20/2018 at 11:34 (2,169 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Well the reviewer makes a few stupid statements like;
People don't buy Speed Queens for speed And saying it looks like something out of the 80s or 90s But the real point is it does NOT clean well, I was probably about the first to say that this machine could NOT work, Even my friend Eugene said it couldn't be that bad, until he actually tested it. And as I said before, IF IT WAS THIS EASY TO MAKE A WASHER WASH CLOTHING CLEAN, ABOUT 100+ MANUFACTURERS AROUND THE WORLD SURE WASTED A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT OVER THE LAST 100 YEARS. Between dropping the worlds best FL washer and this new TL washer I would sell any SQ stock you have very quickly. |
Post# 991539 , Reply# 4   4/20/2018 at 12:52 (2,169 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 991540 , Reply# 5   4/20/2018 at 12:56 (2,169 days old) by Infusor (Usa)   |   | |
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Cnet doesn't like anything. They also said the LG front load with turbowash was terrible at cleaning. I have one and it does great! This coming from people that say a wash plate base cabrio is a great machine SMH. |
Post# 991541 , Reply# 6   4/20/2018 at 12:57 (2,169 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 991543 , Reply# 7   4/20/2018 at 13:24 (2,169 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)   |   | |
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Funny how there's zeroing in here on the "nitpicky" comments about size and style that Cnet made.
Yet glossing over of what John also says, that "their test results show a marked deficiency in cleaning." You may poo poo Cnets reporting, but they have years worth, and hundreds of machines worth of data on cleaning and fraying performance. In fact, Cnet claims they checked their data more than once, because they didn't believe the results at first. But the data doesn't lie. The TR7 was one of their worst performing machines in 5 years. (According to the tests) |
Post# 991545 , Reply# 8   4/20/2018 at 13:40 (2,169 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )   |   | |
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While I did read some technical flaws in their article regarding tub size etc. the point is they came to the same conclusion as I did. Clearly the author is not a washer fanatic, just relaying information. |
Post# 991548 , Reply# 9   4/20/2018 at 14:14 (2,169 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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Guys, do we need more than this video to believe the new SQ is the worst crap ever made? |
Post# 991554 , Reply# 10   4/20/2018 at 14:41 (2,169 days old) by Stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)   |   | |
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The SQ promo video says the tub changes direction and forces water through the cloths. Seems to me though that the tub, agitator, water, AND cloths are essentially moving as one unit. Thus reversing direction of the tub and agitator, as currently designed, doesn't do enough to cause the necessary turbulence for effective washing to occur. |
Post# 991573 , Reply# 12   4/20/2018 at 19:40 (2,168 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)   |   | |
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I went to the same local dealer I bought all my appliances from. But after the 23 year old Whirlpool refrigerator was making alot of noise from the freezer fan, I said lets do it. While writing up the order, I saw they had 2017 Speed Queen washers on the floor. They told me they bought every one they could, about 120 and have sold all but 7 at $849. My new Frigidare is a 30" wide 18 cubic foot, basic model to fit between 2 windows, what I wanted for $499. Salesman remembered delivering my old ones that I still have. They will put the noisy Whirlpool in my mechanical room for me as a backup. What more can you ask for.
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Post# 991584 , Reply# 13   4/20/2018 at 21:18 (2,168 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 991589 , Reply# 14   4/20/2018 at 22:28 (2,168 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)   |   | |
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Post# 991598 , Reply# 15   4/21/2018 at 01:06 (2,168 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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WOW at $1000+ I could buy a better machine from the local SWAP SHOP for $100 as opposed to the 2018 SQ.Now if we got the 2017 or older versions-GREAT!!! |
Post# 991626 , Reply# 19   4/21/2018 at 09:46 (2,168 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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Reviews - Cnet did one on pressure cookers a few years back in which they listed the total cooking time for a chicken-broth soup as over two hours. My correspondence with the reviewing team was a comedy of errors - they weren't going to let go of that two hours come hell or high water. Ditto other measurements. All wrong, wrong, wrong. So, yeah, sometimes they do get it badly wrong. Here, though, no. Speed Queen, like KA was once a really outstanding brand. Today, it's over-priced and under-performs. By now, the people at Alliance know the score and the fact that they've chosen to BS their way through instead of admitting mistakes (which cold be fixed by software patches!!!!!) tells us everything we need to know. Another once great brand is now just a hollow core. |
Post# 991630 , Reply# 20   4/21/2018 at 11:45 (2,168 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 991631 , Reply# 21   4/21/2018 at 11:55 (2,168 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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No amount of software fixes will make a washer wash big loads evenly that does not have the ability to turn over a load of clothing and flex the fabrics, doing this is one of the core parts of washing clothing.
If it was as simple as reprogramming it would have been done already, SQ played with this design for over 5 years before its introduction. This new washer is a classic case of trying to do everything in house, they should have sent out samples a few years ago before launching into full production. |
Post# 991680 , Reply# 23   4/21/2018 at 17:04 (2,168 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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I wonder if poorly performing washing machines - of all types - could be assisted just by switching to a good detergent?
Probably yes. I haven't done scientific tests, but I did sense that improved detergent quality seemed to help when I was stuck using a WCI Frigidaire. I get the same feeling with current WP DD, but probably not as extreme. Meanwhile, I was happy with pretty much any passable detergent with the last BD Kenmore I used, which was the best washer I've used in the last 10 years.
I have to assume the new Speed Queen would work better with Tide or Persil than, say, All.
That said, I'm not happy with the idea of any washer demanding expensive detergent for "acceptable" washing. I am considerably less happy when that washer is expensive. I can tolerate (and have tolerated) WCI Frigidaires in rentals I've had. I might even tolerate buying a WCI Frigidaire if it was dirt cheap. But spending $1,000 on a new washer that requires TOL detergent to offer acceptable washing is not acceptable.
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Post# 991704 , Reply# 25   4/21/2018 at 20:30 (2,167 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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I'm not surprised that this washer performed poorly even on the super soiled setting! I had high hopes! SMH! |
Post# 991709 , Reply# 26   4/21/2018 at 20:55 (2,167 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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Or, they should've used the heavy duty cycle with tide and downy in addition to using Clorox when washing whites, period. |
Post# 991846 , Reply# 30   4/23/2018 at 06:00 (2,166 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Good Suggestions Martin, and I know SQ experimented with many of these ideas, but it makes it a lot more complicated and far less reliable to add these functions.
GE, WP, LG and SS and others are building their top loading washers to allow separate tub and agitator-impeller movement, but they are all having problems with these designs.
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Post# 991852 , Reply# 31   4/23/2018 at 06:31 (2,166 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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Post# 991932 , Reply# 35   4/24/2018 at 00:28 (2,165 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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I don't think Alliance will go under just because of the lame TL washer-they mainly cater to commercial laundry business.They will more likely go out of the household laundry business altogether. |
Post# 992316 , Reply# 36   4/27/2018 at 18:46 (2,161 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )   |   | |
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Post# 992321 , Reply# 37   4/27/2018 at 19:33 (2,161 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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I don't know how many more tests it will take to convince the majority of the washer enthusiasts here on this site that this washer concept does not work, can not work and will NEVER work till it is redesigned.
Yes there will be some consumers that will be happy with this washer, but it will be much like the many owners of Maytag dependable care washers that over the years just put up with poor overall performance because it was relibible.
During my over 40 years in this business the thousands of our customers that got rid of an old MT DC washer, almost never wanted another one and they always loved the new WP BD and later the DD WP TL washers we sold them because of how much better job they did cleaning etc, I never had a single customer that wanted their old MT back.
I do think that you will see quite a few of these new SQs on Craigs list etc in not too many years.
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Post# 992336 , Reply# 39   4/27/2018 at 23:25 (2,161 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 992337 , Reply# 40   4/27/2018 at 23:31 (2,161 days old) by Stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)   |   | |
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Post# 992338 , Reply# 41   4/28/2018 at 00:22 (2,161 days old) by Infusor (Usa)   |   | |
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It is NOT 50 minutes.
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Post# 992353 , Reply# 44   4/28/2018 at 07:17 (2,161 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Hi Keith, I was going by the CRs tester, as she started the machine on the HD cycle the display came up @ 50 minutes.
I think that it is perfectly clear to anyone that knows anything about washing machines that this new machine will not do a good job of washing big dirty loads clean, I predict that this machine will not be sold very many years in this form, I am sure they are now working hard on solutions, new sales are already at 1/2 of last years rate from talking to dealers that sell them. |
Post# 992426 , Reply# 45   4/28/2018 at 20:38 (2,160 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )   |   | |
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Heavy duty , normal soil = 40 minutes Heavy duty, max soil= 50+ minutes. |
Post# 992471 , Reply# 46   4/29/2018 at 10:44 (2,160 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)   |   | |
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Post# 992484 , Reply# 48   4/29/2018 at 11:47 (2,160 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)   |   | |
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Well this machine isn't for people with dirty clothes, but there are lot of those people these days.
They work in offices, don't have kids (or kids are gone), don't have yards (or hire it out), don't work out hard enough to break a sweat, throw a shirt out with a stain (or take it to the cleaners.)
These people would probably be happy with this machine and never know the difference.
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Post# 992606 , Reply# 53   4/30/2018 at 09:07 (2,159 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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I agree with you to the extent that, sometimes, manufacturers build good appliances which just aren't used right. I recollect such a situation with a very expensive countertop convection oven a few years back - the oven had a'keep warm' function (which overroad the regular thermostat to hold the oven at the low heat, regardless of the regular setting). Unfortunately, that setting was illustrated by a pictogram which looked far more like 'bake' than the pictogram for 'bake' did. They were failed by at least one European testing organization because they made that mistake, much less tens of thousands of unhappy customers.
So, yes, some of this is user error.
The way Alliance is approaching the problem, though, not good. They need to have a clear setting 'non-Energy Star, non-HE' which will actually use hot water and plenty of it coupled with proper agitation to clean. |
Post# 992609 , Reply# 54   4/30/2018 at 09:13 (2,159 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 992680 , Reply# 56   4/30/2018 at 21:45 (2,158 days old) by Infusor (Usa)   |   | |
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Here's what happends when you buy consumer reports "top rated" maytag. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Infusor's LINK |
Post# 992683 , Reply# 57   4/30/2018 at 22:09 (2,158 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 992687 , Reply# 58   4/30/2018 at 22:21 (2,158 days old) by Infusor (Usa)   |   | |
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Maybe the owner wrapped the sheets around the agitator so they don't get off balance, since the maytags cheap plastic tub will hit the cabinet and break if he didn't. |
Post# 992694 , Reply# 59   5/1/2018 at 00:22 (2,158 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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Remember reading in the owners manual for the KN DD washer I used to have-they warned NOT to "wrap" sheets around the agitator-or the "twining" that user had could happen.NEVER had anything like that happen. |
Post# 992739 , Reply# 60   5/1/2018 at 15:50 (2,158 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 992841 , Reply# 64   5/2/2018 at 09:09 (2,157 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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Can be seen in the way they treated their dealers, erased customer reviews and pretend to this day that everybody else is wrong, wrong, thrice wrong. Nothing will get fixed. They'll leave this market. Given what they've become: Good riddance to bad rubbish. Oh, and time to start stocking up on parts for the good SQ machines of what is now yesteryear. They ain't a-commin' back. |
Post# 992925 , Reply# 65   5/2/2018 at 22:28 (2,156 days old) by Stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)   |   | |
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Post# 992933 , Reply# 66   5/3/2018 at 01:20 (2,156 days old) by Infusor (Usa)   |   | |
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And this is what consumer reports says cleans well. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Infusor's LINK |
Post# 992943 , Reply# 67   5/3/2018 at 07:50 (2,156 days old) by John76 (USA)   |   | |
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Infuser, What a joke that Maytag looks. I’d take a 2018 SQ over that any day. |
Post# 992954 , Reply# 69   5/3/2018 at 10:52 (2,156 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Keith, really are you that poorly informed about how this MT washer operates ?
This washer is in the pre-soak period of a long cycle, the machine WILL speed up and turn over this load and wash it very well, if you want to make a point without embarrassing yourself you should compare apples to apples and not a soak period to a wash agitation period. John L. |
Post# 992957 , Reply# 70   5/3/2018 at 11:24 (2,156 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)   |   | |
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Thanks John, for clearing that up.
My parents have a 765 MT TL. They follow all the cycle and loading guides. Everything comes out clean. Much cleaner than the old LA511 Maytag it replaced. That video was less than 2min of a very long, heavy cycle. It was in active soak. Like you said, the cycles have moments of very long, aggressive agitation arcs, that DO turn over the clothes. My parents have washed everything in it so far. Rags, towels, all their clothes, even comforters. And with the right soil/temp/soap combinations, everything comes out clean. Do you know what the real secret is in what they do? They set it, load it, and WALK AWAY until the chime rings. |
Post# 992979 , Reply# 71   5/3/2018 at 16:03 (2,156 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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Post# 992980 , Reply# 72   5/3/2018 at 16:03 (2,156 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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Lord Kenmore, being either a washer enthusiast or a control freak, regularly checks the washer to ensure all is well. During wash, does it appear that there is enough detergent? Does it appear that everything is turning over properly? Is everything under water? (The first two times are probably not necessary--one learns from experience what works. The last item, however, was all too necessary with some loads during that horrible time when Lord Kenmore's manor was equipped with a WCI Frigidaire.) Lord Kenmore also goes back to check the deep rinse to ensure all is well, and to make that important decision of whether to authorize a second rinse. |
Post# 992988 , Reply# 73   5/3/2018 at 17:04 (2,156 days old) by Infusor (Usa)   |   | |
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So you compare an hour and 20 min soak cycle to a 29 min normal eco cycle and deem the speed queen as junk, what was that about comparing apples now? Biased much. |
Post# 992996 , Reply# 74   5/3/2018 at 17:57 (2,155 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 992997 , Reply# 75   5/3/2018 at 18:05 (2,155 days old) by Infusor (Usa)   |   | |
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I know a couple of people that have a TR7 and TR5, they said it cleans great, they love it. |
Post# 993017 , Reply# 77   5/3/2018 at 21:33 (2,155 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 993018 , Reply# 78   5/3/2018 at 22:47 (2,155 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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Your opinions don't line up with virtually the entire, well respected group of high-end appliance repair and sales people. Nor do they harmonize with every single independent testing organization. Nor do they agree with actual users. Why do you suppose that is? Or, to put it more succinctly - while it is certainly true that John (combo52) is nearly as cranky and irritable as I am, he is also one of the three most brilliant and informed people on this website. His diagnosis of the Speed Queen/Maytag problems has always been exactly right. If he says your full of hooey, you're full of hooey. Come clean. Cleaner than your company's machines now wash - you're a plant and you're doing as bad a job of it changing reality as your machines now do washing clothes clean. This post was last edited 05/03/2018 at 23:24 |
Post# 993032 , Reply# 79   5/4/2018 at 05:43 (2,155 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 993039 , Reply# 80   5/4/2018 at 06:05 (2,155 days old) by Infusor (Usa)   |   | |
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. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Infusor's LINK |
Post# 993048 , Reply# 82   5/4/2018 at 08:29 (2,155 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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Post# 993055 , Reply# 83   5/4/2018 at 09:47 (2,155 days old) by runematic (southcentral pa)   |   | |
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Post# 993060 , Reply# 84   5/4/2018 at 10:11 (2,155 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)   |   | |
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Post# 993083 , Reply# 85   5/4/2018 at 14:45 (2,155 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)   |   | |
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One thing's for certain, posts about Speed Queen seem to be the new winners when it comes to the number of replies, followed closely by "who makes the best car" and "let's all stick pins in the Sears voodoo doll". I'm not a fan of any replies that get nasty.
got pins?
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Post# 993091 , Reply# 86   5/4/2018 at 16:06 (2,155 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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I would never wash my clothes with this dirt spreader of a machine! My Kenmore Elite front loader by LG cleans better than this! |
Post# 993105 , Reply# 87   5/4/2018 at 19:09 (2,154 days old) by Infusor (Usa)   |   | |
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Jerome are you talking about the maytag or speed queen? I thought you liked the new speed queen. They have tweaked the agitation since it came out. |
Post# 993106 , Reply# 88   5/4/2018 at 19:14 (2,154 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )   |   | |
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Do you have any evidence/ documentation to back that up? |
Post# 993115 , Reply# 89   5/4/2018 at 22:31 (2,154 days old) by Infusor (Usa)   |   | |
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Not what people who are buying these machines are saying.
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Post# 993117 , Reply# 90   5/4/2018 at 22:37 (2,154 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )   |   | |
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Do you have any first hand experience with the new speed queen? Are you really basing your entire argument on a handful of YouTube comments? |
Post# 993121 , Reply# 91   5/4/2018 at 23:27 (2,154 days old) by Infusor (Usa)   |   | |
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Post# 993159 , Reply# 93   5/5/2018 at 10:36 (2,154 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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They Have Tweaked The agitation since it came out ?
We are aware of no changes to this machine since it came out and if they did it needs to be offered to existing owners. I think many people may like this washer at first, but like the owner in reply #81 I am afraid that many people will realize over time that things are just not as clean as they were with their old washer. |
Post# 993169 , Reply# 94   5/5/2018 at 11:43 (2,154 days old) by Infusor (Usa)   |   | |
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Yes, a fellow aw.org member, analyzed eugenes videos against kirk rivas videos with a device (i forget the name) and he confirmed the wash strokes are in fact faster on kirks machine. |
Post# 993177 , Reply# 95   5/5/2018 at 13:21 (2,154 days old) by Stopmeister72 (Irving, TX)   |   | |
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Use flutetunes.com and set the metronome at 88 beats per minute. Looks like both machines oscillate on the long strokes at the same frequency.
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Post# 993230 , Reply# 97   5/5/2018 at 21:21 (2,153 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)   |   | |
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You do realize that could just be a trick the camera is playing on you right? I bet if they both used the exact same camera you’d see the exact same thing. I personally don’t notice any difference. |
Post# 993234 , Reply# 98   5/5/2018 at 22:03 (2,153 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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What a shame. Speed Queen washers went the way of everybody else in terms of wash quality. |
Post# 993272 , Reply# 100   5/6/2018 at 09:13 (2,153 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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It's awfully hard to ignore when a professional testing organization gives one of their favorite brands a bad rating. Back when CR had to give GE's Twenty-Five Hundred a higher rating than KitchenAid, they felt it necessary to write a detailed explanation. It was clear they really, really, really hated having to praise GE. So, yeah - when two organizations which previously worshiped at the alter of the Speed Queen say the things their saying, it's clear: This is a steaming pile of you know what. Oh, and as to the cleaning some folks have experienced: With today's detergents, just soaking in water for 20 minutes can remove a fair amount of soil. Just, over time, the sebum and everything else will build up. |
Post# 993273 , Reply# 101   5/6/2018 at 09:59 (2,153 days old) by Infusor (Usa)   |   | |
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Still better than a cabrio. |
Post# 993303 , Reply# 102   5/6/2018 at 15:02 (2,153 days old) by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)   |   | |
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I think a lot of us really want Speed Queen to make the new washers better. We really liked the washers through 2017. We are just sad that we have been let down. |
Post# 993305 , Reply# 103   5/6/2018 at 15:11 (2,153 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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I personally prefer results from controlled tests using stained swatches versus anecdotal reviews from people taking videos of washing clothes.
It's worth noting that at least one video (which was done by Lorainfurniture) does do what I consider a reasonable controlled test. It may actually be better than some tests in that it does two rounds with different temperature/detergent each time. Thus the results reflect the washer, and not any possibility of: "well, maybe this one detergent doesn't work so well in this machine!"
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Post# 993315 , Reply# 105   5/6/2018 at 16:38 (2,153 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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I wouldn't buy it because at some point, most of my items will get a tough stain.
That's my feeling, too.
There has been some arguments along the lines that many people don't really need much cleaning power for their typical laundry. I'm like that--most of what I need is freshening. But I do have the occasional item that has a stain that want totally and completely gone. Indeed, I was reminded of one shirt that I wore to an event a couple of years ago that got a bad stain on it. It was a nightmare getting it clean using Tide (although it was Tide Free and Gentle, which probably is not the most powerful version), and a reasonably decent WP DD. I ended up washing it more than once, and air drying on wood rack to avoid setting the stain. But it did come clean in the end. With that 2018 SQ, I might still be trying to get the stain out... |
Post# 993359 , Reply# 107   5/7/2018 at 02:07 (2,152 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA)   |   | |
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I am not sure I understand why the test wasn't done with a hot wash. |
Post# 993374 , Reply# 109   5/7/2018 at 07:11 (2,152 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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"the golfer and not the club" - so true, love that, but it does seem that SQ has entered the PGA Tour with a bent club.
While most of us wouldn't have approached a stained fabric this way in daily washing practice, it is a reliable measure of a machine's ability to remove soil. All other variables controlled for, water quality, detergent brand and amount, incoming water temps, etc., I'm pretty confident that CR is giving each machine a level playing field and a fair shot. They have simply put the identically stained fabrics in each washer and pushed "start". How each machine controls it's water temp could be a variable, some measure temperature directly, others may just be 60/40 mix of hot & cold for "warm", but this doesn't invalidate the testing procedure, only measuring the washer's ability to produce results as the machine is designed. Speed Queen has rarely had more than an average rating from CR testing, going back decades. In the 70's, they were dinged for small capacity, average or below cleaning results and poor spin performance. In the 80's many of the same problems were found but with the perforated basket. CR didn't care for their front-load models early on and results only improved slightly with the change in cycle length in the second iteration of f/l washers with the larger door. While cleaning improved some, they were hit with a narrow range of cycle options and inflexible settings as well as poorer spin results when held up against machines that were spinning above 800 rpm. The top loaders have been maligned in recent years for below average (of all the machines they test) in cleaning and again, capacity and extraction ability. Apples to apples comparisons have never been shining moments for SQ, and they aren't now, obviously. For those who wanted the "old school" washer with a full tub of water and an agitator, those low CR ratings meant little vs. their expectations and results. The same is true with this new washer, there will be some who get the results they expect and those who do not in the varying ways they utilize the washer. I love my small-door SQ front load washer and get great results load after load despite CR's findings. Real-world laundry isn't in a lab, it's in a basement or laundry room and YMMV. |
Post# 993390 , Reply# 111   5/7/2018 at 10:08 (2,152 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)   |   | |
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I think the swatch tests are valid and interesting but hard to know how it compares to ordinary laundry problems (gray white socks, sweat stained sheets, ring-around-the-collar, anti-antiperspirant build up) that show up on fabrics over time.
Can't imagine new SQ would fare well on these either. A top loader as gentle as the SQ just isn't going to cut it. FLs do well because their detergent is concentrated and the cycle times are long.
You can't have you cake and eat it too like the new SQ tried to do.
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Post# 993391 , Reply# 112   5/7/2018 at 10:08 (2,152 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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A possible factor in performance of frontloaders and HE/impeller toploaders vs. deep-fill toploaders like the 2018 SQ: assuming they're washing only the one stained test-swatch piece in the test load for stain removal, the FL and HE TLs will reasonably do better due to more agitation friction. The piece will just float around in the SQ TL, although that also is what a load of multiple items tends to do depending on the size of the load vs. the water level. Underloading the SQ makes for more floating and less "grab" and slosh from the agitator. |
Post# 993423 , Reply# 113   5/7/2018 at 14:49 (2,152 days old) by whatsername (Denver, CO)   |   | |
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Throwing just one test swatch in a machine and running it wouldn't be scientifically rigorous. Reviewed.com, for example, uses an 8 pound test load in all of its washer tests. The video in this link seems to indicate they add clean towels as the majority of the test load.
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Post# 993444 , Reply# 114   5/7/2018 at 18:06 (2,151 days old) by jeb (Mansfield Ohiio)   |   | |
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Reply to #108. If you pretreat the stain, you are not testing the washer you are testing the pretreat product. I think the idea is to prove how well the washer does on its own (showing how much less pretreatment will be needed). |
Post# 993453 , Reply# 115   5/7/2018 at 19:19 (2,151 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)   |   | |
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Post# 993690 , Reply# 118   5/9/2018 at 22:00 (2,149 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )   |   | |
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I think fp is a turd from a repair standpoint. I’ve never done my laundry in one yet. |
Post# 993691 , Reply# 119   5/9/2018 at 22:08 (2,149 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)   |   | |
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I'm curious about the Why on that Eugene, at least from the Washer's perspective? Is it that parts are hard to get in the US? They're one of the few machines you can almost fully rebuild with a Phillips head screwdriver and a pair of pliers, so I'm just curious. Cheers Nathan |
Post# 993701 , Reply# 122   5/10/2018 at 01:35 (2,149 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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Well, they heavy duty cycle the tested after the disappointing normal cycle was something close to 60 min, so... |
Post# 993712 , Reply# 123   5/10/2018 at 06:42 (2,149 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)   |   | |
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I think the cleaning ability of the FP can be diminished because it only fills with cold water, except on the Allergy cycle. Other cycles use the recirculation pump before filling completely and that saturates the items with the selected water temp and detergent. They claim it aids in stain removal. It makes me fell better but that's subjective I guess. Also there is no soil level selector so you have to use the Heavy Duty cycle if you want a longer wash time. I use Allergy for my whites because it fills with selected temp, and it's not a dumbed down temp. Overall I'm very happy with it. Granted my stuff doesn't get really dirty, but when it has, everything has come out very clean.
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Post# 993786 , Reply# 124   5/10/2018 at 14:49 (2,149 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 994511 , Reply# 125   5/18/2018 at 07:27 (2,141 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)   |   | |
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What the heck is up with the current pricing?!? I paid $799 for my machine last November and they are now selling for $1399-1699! That was from the local store I bought mine at and also online. The dryers are still the old price. I'm thinking it has something to do with tariffs? The dryers are made by GE either in KY or Mexico, so they might be exempt.
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Post# 994536 , Reply# 126   5/18/2018 at 13:03 (2,141 days old) by Whatsername (Denver, CO)   |   | |
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It's definitely the tariffs, which can be "up to 50 percent". LG also raised prices. The tariff seems to be on washers only and not dryers.
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Post# 994593 , Reply# 127   5/19/2018 at 01:06 (2,140 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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At how many FP machines I have seen in the scrap appliance dumpster at the dump site I go to-think I WON'T buy a FP machine of any sort. |
Post# 994598 , Reply# 128   5/19/2018 at 03:38 (2,140 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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If SQ gets rid of the agitator, puts two vanes in the drum wall and agitate with short and fast strokes, it will clean way better. |
Post# 994617 , Reply# 130   5/19/2018 at 10:11 (2,140 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)   |   | |
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At how many FP machines I have seen in the scrap appliance dumpster at the dump site I go to-think I WON'T buy a FP machine of any sort.
From what I've seen they generally last about 12-15 years without a problem. I know Glenn has had is for what, like 20 years?? They are very simple machines in terms of parts. My friend's parents have had theirs for almost 10 years with no problems. They love it. I really like mine now. It's a bit quirky to operate sometimes but it's a good performer. |