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Thread Number: 75651
/ Tag: Ranges, Stoves, Ovens
Whirlpool Electric Range Problemo... |
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| Post# 994711 5/20/2018 at 12:24 (2,166 days old) by Stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK) | ||
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My IKEA branded, Whirlpool manufactured, range is on the fritz. Bought with no signs of use last year, installed by me (ah ha!), suddenly doesn't work at all. I baked a pizza in it one night, next day nada. The clock works, but nothing else. I have read elsewhere on the net this is a sign of power being cut from 240v down to 120v. First I checked the breakers (two black 50's to the right in pic), flipped it back and forth, nothing there. So I figured my wiring job had failed and went in for a look see, only to find everything just as I left it last year. No sign of arcing, burn smell, or anything else amiss. Next up, circuit breaker replacement? We are close to the ocean here and salt air is very corrosive. And btw, the breaker box is one the OUTSIDE of the house. Whaddya ya'll think? | ||
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Post# 994736 , Reply# 2 5/20/2018 at 16:27 (2,166 days old) by DADoES  (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 994786 , Reply# 4 5/21/2018 at 08:35 (2,165 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA) |
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I'm voting on breaker failure. Being the chicken poop that I am I'd check on a whole panel replacement, yours looks kinda tired. | ||
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Post# 994808 , Reply# 5 5/21/2018 at 10:22 (2,165 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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There are a few youtube | ||
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Post# 994825 , Reply# 7 5/21/2018 at 13:43 (2,165 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 994826 , Reply# 8 5/21/2018 at 13:44 (2,165 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area) |
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When I saw that the breaker panel is Zinsco, I knew that means bad news. Like Brisnat81 says, they and FPE are the "bad boys" of the circuit breaker world. Get it replaced as soon as practical. | ||
| Post# 994843 , Reply# 9 5/21/2018 at 17:29 (2,165 days old) by fan-of-fans (Florida) | ||
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Yikes, I didn't notice the second picture for some reason when I read this. I agree, it's probably time for a whole new panel. | ||
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Post# 995079 , Reply# 10 5/24/2018 at 12:00 (2,162 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Rust is not a good thing on metal anywhere anytime. | ||
| Post# 995114 , Reply# 11 5/24/2018 at 19:13 (2,162 days old) by stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK) | ||
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I think a new breaker, or even carefully cleaning up the old breaker would get us back on the road for a while. However after reading this I wonder if we should just "let r rip tater chip" and replace with a new panel. Here someone argues why one should NOT REPAIR a Zinsco panel: First of all, in the course of damaging the bussbars, the heat will also damage metal nearby- damage that may not be particularly visible. So, the "fix" probable won't last 30 years. Second, the heat will also damage the breakers. Since we have no reliable way to tell if a breaker will continue to trip when it should, the breakers should be replaced. This brings us to... Third. The breakers are no longer manufactured. Ones offered for sale are expensive, and are "reconditioned," no longer UL listed (even if the marks are present). There are other reasons to consider a new panel, as well as an over-all upgrade to the wiring. Old panels often have too few breakers for the necessart circuits. For example, since Zinsco went to the "great scrapyard in the sky," we've come to recognise a need for at least two kitchen circuits. An old house will often have problems with breakers tripping, as too many appliances are used at once. Obtaining GFI breakers can be difficult for Zinsco- and Arc faults impossible. Finally, sale of the property, and insuring it, will be harder with an obsolete panel. | ||
| Post# 995136 , Reply# 13 5/25/2018 at 01:20 (2,162 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
 I remember hearing someone who worked at a nearby Ace who talked to me bout "obsolete" service panels. His primary focus was Federal Pacific, but I think Zinsco was also mentioned. One nightmare he knew of: people would have some project done that required inspection...and the inspector would see the service panel, and demand that before passing the service panel would have to be replaced. At a cost of $$$$. This guy at Ace had an electrician friend with a garage full of Federal Pacific circuit breakers. | ||
| Post# 995175 , Reply# 14 5/25/2018 at 15:18 (2,161 days old) by stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK) | ||
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Well guess what? The breaker(s) were aok...the whole panel was! So we put a meter on the junction I wired the range into...any guesses? That too was AOK...Damn! At that point the electrician suggested I call an appliance repairman, "please god no, my wallet will be decimated", I thought. Then I asked if there were internal breakers or fuses in the stove, he got curious and popped the back panel. And what did we find? A fried black wire...coming from the main feed to the stove. I never touched that, I focused on the other end, I swear! So apparently what happened was, the nut that this black wire was attached to was never snugged up right and it was loose...and arching occurred frying the wire causing it to break. When I baked the pizza I smelled something, but I dismissed it as the smell the over made when we first got the stove, a smell the manual tells you is temporary but normal. But with the benefit of hindsight I realize it was different than the break in smell that had abated some time ago. So I thought maybe I used a higher temp than my wife normally does and re triggered it. Not! The electrician suggested a good fix and hit the road while I toddled off the Ace Hardware for the needed bits. I did the needed repair and so far so good, we're back in business it would appear. | ||
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