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Transferring 8mm video to ???
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Post# 994998   5/23/2018 at 10:02 by paulg (My sweet home... Chicago)        

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I am transferring family 8mm video to some other format that the family can use.
Previous I burned DVDs.
Would you suggest another format nowadays?
Thanks for your comments!

Post# 995010 , Reply# 1   5/23/2018 at 11:53 by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        
Throw 'em up in The Cloud

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Make a private YouTube channel, use DropBox or Flickr/SmugMug, any number of possibilities. 


Alternatively, use USB flash drives.  The price per GB keeps dropping every day.


With optical drives vanishing from new PCs, DVDs are approaching the same state as ZIP discs when Iomega went belly-up.

Post# 995013 , Reply# 2   5/23/2018 at 13:34 by RevvinKevin (So. Cal.)        

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Why not continue with DVD's?


I have a feeling they (players) are going to be around a while and DVD's don't degrade like other media.  Sure you can put them on a memory card / chip / drive or hard drive, but those can (and have) fail as time passes.

Post# 995025 , Reply# 3   5/23/2018 at 16:42 by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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I still burn stuff on DVD's for archiving. Cheap and reliable and won't be going anywhere soon. Yes Apple has tried to kill off optical drives but one can buy an external USD DVD drive for ~$25 and you will have at least a decade with that.

When you burn the video onto the DVD is it in a TV DVD readable format? You could store them as raw video files too but seems like making it DVD player readable might make them easier to share.

Post# 995037 , Reply# 4   5/23/2018 at 18:22 by sfh074 (atlanta)        
DVD's don't last

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If you read the writable dvd package inserts the manufacturers do not advise using writable dvd's for archival purposes. This type of dvd will break down over time and will become unreadable. More susceptible if light is allowed to come in contact over time. At some point in the future (some say as little as 10 years) consumer writable dvd's become unreadable or fail. Many a debate out there to read about on this subject. Just my 2 cents. I use external hard drives or thumb drives, and only plug them in to the pc as needed. I don't leave them up and running all the time.

Post# 995044 , Reply# 5   5/23/2018 at 19:57 by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

We finally retired our home PC and have both moved to Laptops, so we still have central storage and somewhere for our scanner to store files, I bought a Synoptics two disk NAS for on premise storage.

The Disks are Mirrored in a Raid array so there is redundancy, but I also have the NAS configured to synchronise with my Onedrive account as well.

We buy an Office 365 subscription for $120 a year, which includes 5 users with 1 TB of Storage each. This way I have a local copy thats quick to access and easy for my non technological other half to interact with, plus there is an online copy.

From Onedrive, you can then share the files with friends and family.



Post# 995059 , Reply# 6   5/24/2018 at 08:24 by paulg (My sweet home... Chicago)        
Thank you..

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Thank you for the terrific and surprisingly varied suggestions.
Will do my research. Looks like I'll be giving my gray matter some exercise.
Great tech advice. Much obliged!

Post# 995072 , Reply# 7   5/24/2018 at 10:59 by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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They now have archival quality DVDs.
I've bought some for transferring our family's Beta tapes.
They're called M Disk.
And they record with physical manipulation of the disks, rather than changing a corruptible dye layer.

Post# 995080 , Reply# 8   5/24/2018 at 12:21 by paulg (My sweet home... Chicago)        
I had no idea

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Those archival discs may just be the answer. Thanks for letting me know!

Post# 995130 , Reply# 9   5/24/2018 at 23:26 by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

A little off topic, but has anyone had good results with companies converting VHS to digital,  DVDs?

Post# 995180 , Reply# 10   5/25/2018 at 16:05 by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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Indeed everything has a lifespan. And yes the "archival" discs probably last longer then a DVD-R... but how long do you need a format to last?

I seriously doubt that a DVD-R stored at reasonable temperatures won't last decades. Some estimate burned media expected lifespans in the 20-100 year range. NIST did an accelerated aging study and they concluded 30 years was likely.

Post# 995228 , Reply# 11   5/26/2018 at 01:01 by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Maybe the recorded DVDs can be stored in a DARK,cool area.That may help-not exposed to light.For now just keep my pictures and videos on the SD cards from the camera.My devices can "play" the cards esp if your computer has a built in player or you can get an add on one from just about anyplace these days.I can even connect any of my camers to my Samsung UHD TV and have a GREAT,fun slideshow!!Kinda like the old days!But no projector or screen.I do have a projector and screen for slides that wwere taken by family in the old days-just leave them as they are!!!Just store them in a cool,dark area.

Post# 995240 , Reply# 12   5/26/2018 at 07:54 by paulg (My sweet home... Chicago)        
Hmmm. How long to last?

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Interesting question. How long would I want these recordings to last?
I am going to be a bit weird here - but why not? We're among friends.
I suppose I would want the recordings to last until I die or until a better format comes along.
Whichever comes first, LOL.
Lifespans are changing. The chances of living past 100 are getting greater every day.
The DVD player, or the format will not likely exist in 50 years.
(Yeah, yeah I know vinyl lasted way past 50 years but let's get real..)
I appreciate the NIST reference. I follow them and totally trust their conclusions. I did not know they studied this recording format.
Therefore I will probably record the most important things on two formats. I'll do DVDs for some and perhaps memory sticks for others. That'll at least "stabilize" the recordings for now and then when some new format comes along I'll perhaps transfer again.
I won't cry in my soup if all recordings are lost tomorrow. However I'd like to try to keep some memories alive as long as I can enjoy them.

Post# 995305 , Reply# 13   5/26/2018 at 23:49 by tolivac (greenville nc)        

With the unstability in storage formats-----DO NOT DISCARD YOUR ORIGINALS!!!!!You may need them again to transfer onto another format.

Post# 995427 , Reply# 14   5/28/2018 at 09:30 by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        

Paul- How did you complete the original conversion? Did you do it yourself? Pay a service? I ask because we have some 8mm and Rich shudders at the thought of handing them over to someone to convert lest they accidentally ruin the originals.


Post# 995533 , Reply# 15   5/29/2018 at 09:10 by paulg (My sweet home... Chicago)        
Originally I did them myself.

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I started conversions using a "Lite-On" branded DVD recorder that I bought inexpensively from COSTCO.
Attached it to my camcorder and did the recordings manually. Worked out really well.
Conversely, my sister took our 8mm FILM to someone to have them converted to DVD. That worked out well too. However, she got referrals from others who used the same person. It was very professional and she got all the materials back quickly.

Also, I totally agree that one must save all original recordings. And IF I were to send stuff out, I'd do so in batches just in case something goes wrong.

Post# 995572 , Reply# 16   5/29/2018 at 17:38 by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        

What Rex (Tolivac) said. Keep the originals!

If you have them professionally transferred, DO NOT mail them away somewhere, but rather have them done locally, where you can take them and pick them up in person.

Even the big studios such as Warner and Universal make new archival prints on film after doing digital restorations. Black and white movie film is quite stable if stored at the proper temperature and humidity. Technicolor masters are 3 separate strips of B&W film. The original Technicolor process (dye imbibition) prints are also pretty stable; Eastmancolor however is not.

Post# 995595 , Reply# 17   5/29/2018 at 23:45 by tolivac (greenville nc)        

The Library of Congress archives everything they can on ANALOG-its always easier to retrieve and lasts longer.

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