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Post# 999395   7/5/2018 at 13:01 (2,114 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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with the heat wave in full force....this would be a good time to ask about air conditioners, mainly window unit styles.....
always prefer a vintage unit....but it may come time to buy a new one.... opinions, thoughts, ideas.....good, bad, ugly.....what is available today? I do know a high EER gives more energy savings, but for a colder output, select a lower EER value... always a good idea to buy a BTU rating for your space with a little bit of overkill.... |
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Post# 999401 , Reply# 1   7/5/2018 at 13:48 (2,114 days old) by eronie (Flushing Michigan)   |   | |
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You are right on the money Yogi! And dont even think about those hose window things... |
Post# 999423 , Reply# 2   7/5/2018 at 17:19 (2,114 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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We got a new Friedrich window unit (installed through-the-wall) recently at work. It's clearly sourced from LG. :-( It went to throwing a CH34 fault code (compressor high pressure or overload, off 10 times in an hour) within a few weeks. The dealer/service advised to run it in continuous-fan mode instead of MoneySaver® but that doesn't help. No other service attempt has been made thus far but hopefully something will happen before the warranty expires. |
Post# 999431 , Reply# 3   7/5/2018 at 18:16 (2,114 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)   |   | |
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I'm also interested in hearing what others know. Although my house has central air, I always install a window unit in my bedroom so I can sleep at a nice cool 60 degrees without spending a fortune.
Right now I'm using a 5000 BTU Frigidaire unit going on its fifth summer. (Link below.) It works well, but it's loud when the compressor turns on. It wouldn't be great for light sleepers who couldn't get used to it.
I do wonder if there is any meaningful difference between brands these days.
It's amazing the ones I see on CL that have never been cleaned, inside or out! CLICK HERE TO GO TO IowaBear's LINK |
Post# 999432 , Reply# 4   7/5/2018 at 18:21 (2,114 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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The portable units on wheels can be super loud. I bought one off CL in advance of a record-breaking heat wave that hit over last Labor Day weekend. I will say that it made sleeping easier, but that's about all. It took three nights to get used to the racket. The brand was "Royal Sovereign," which I've never heard of.
Then a few months later I saw one for free on CL. That one was a GE and it was a lot quieter. I was planning to use it this summer, but then we moved to a new house with central A/C. I gave both portables away to a friend's sister who runs a bed & breakfast near Roseburg, OR where it can reach triple digits during the summer. I haven't yet heard how they're working out.
We had a Sharp 12K BTU window unit in a small west-facing upstairs bedroom at our old place. It did a good job and even got the room across the hall cooler with a strategically placed fan.
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Post# 999440 , Reply# 5   7/5/2018 at 19:19 (2,114 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)   |   | |
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I have an 80's something woodgrain Frigidaire 8000 btu that weighs a ton to put in and out, but cools the bedroom fine and sleeping is perfect. Its already 15 degrees cooler there than any breeze coming off the lake thru the rest of the house and I only turned it on 2 hours ago. Maybe this heat wave has broke.
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Post# 999443 , Reply# 6   7/5/2018 at 19:46 (2,114 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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I have several smaller spares, for emergencies...something you can quickly pop in a window....GE CarryCool were some unique ideas....
you will find a lot on CL for sale, where the owner either moved to, or had central air installed, thinking they no longer need a window unit......I snatch some of those up cheap, but here is the thing, if that central goes out, you lost the whole house, and now you may have to wait for days for a repair guy, especially in the middle of Summer, at least if you had a spare or two, it would get you through..... 5000btu units will function with most portable generators... even with the house that has central, I have a unit in the bedroom like Jim, why pay to cool the whole house for only two people..... another thought to consider, location of your dryer, many are in a first floor bathroom or similar....for the locations like this, I have been fortunate to have a window, and a door that closed that room off...a dryer can suck out a lot of 'conditioned' air I do miss the Kenmore A/C's of the 70/80's with the woodgrain front, those were extremely quiet.....my preference is always a unit the 'Energy Saver' that turns the whole unit off... and you are right when it comes to what you find on CL.....filthy and disgusting, yet they have a nerve to ask the price they want... |
Post# 999444 , Reply# 7   7/5/2018 at 19:47 (2,114 days old) by abcomatic (Bradford, Illinois)   |   | |
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We have central air, but it doesn't seem to work well upstairs. I have a unit in the tv room upstairs and it cools well. It is a Frigidaire and is 3 years old. i have it set at 71 and am very comfortable. It helps to cool the upstairs off here too. |
Post# 999446 , Reply# 9   7/5/2018 at 19:51 (2,114 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Post# 999472 , Reply# 11   7/6/2018 at 02:26 (2,114 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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If you can find one from the 50s or 60s , they are worlds better than the new stuff, MUCH colder, normally quieter and well built of METAL! |
Post# 999482 , Reply# 12   7/6/2018 at 07:28 (2,114 days old) by Jmm63 (Denville, NJ)   |   | |
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I would love to have central a/c, its on "the list",and when I have an extra $10,000 i will do it, meanwhile i live with window units.
They aren't vintage,at least 10+ tears old, but happy with 3 of the 4 I have. Sharp 8k is about 14 and one of the first energy star units. Not "library quiet ", but does a good job. Haeir 6k in bedroom is super quiet and I bought it used for $50 ten years ago. Hampton bay 6k unit in guest room is ok, I don't put that one in until the last minute because it's the front of the house and I don't like to see one hanging out the front. It's small enough though. The Frigidaire 8k I can't stand. Bought it a couple years ago, it so loud, ridiculously loud. Dont put it on high unless you have earplugs. It's relegated to the front of the house where it doesn't cause problems. Hoping an electrical storm takes it out. Have a GE CARRY COOL in the garage for emergencies, or a give away. |
Post# 999576 , Reply# 13   7/6/2018 at 22:31 (2,113 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)   |   | |
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These do make them appear ridiculously cheesy, especially when the light shines through them as in picture #4 above. My little Frigidaire 5K BTU has this as well and I cringe every time I see it.
However...I only paid $110 for it at a end of summer 2013 clearance sale.
I was looking through some ads from the late 1970s and I saw that similar units were going for $99 at that time. So...35 years later and same price, kind of astonishing really.
It had a one-year full warranty and 5-year "sealed system" warranty...and I don't expect it will last long beyond that. But for what I paid...cannot complain. |
Post# 999696 , Reply# 17   7/8/2018 at 09:45 (2,111 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)   |   | |
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Can any of you guys with HVAC let me know how hard it is to instal ? I have my house all done and sorted but the heat has become too much to bare and air con here tends to be mobile units you hang a pipe like a dryer out the window so its apparent I cannot use these as have silly tilt or turn windows you have a gap at the top or open the whole thing like a door Anyhoo what I really need to know is how hard it is to put these ceiling things in not concerned about the outside bit just do all the ceilings have to be opened up or is it a case of cutting a hole and pop the thing in???
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Post# 999741 , Reply# 18   7/8/2018 at 19:59 (2,111 days old) by Xraytech (Rural southwest Pennsylvania )   |   | |
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I have a 1,400 sq ft Cape Cod built in 1946
I have a 1995 Comfortmaker central a/c unit that takes care of the main floor(about 1,000 sq ft.) all the rooms stay cool, except the living room is warmer, most likely due to my sectional sofa blocks 2 of the 3 registers. Sadly there is no a/c in the second story bedroom, it gets incredibly hot so I have to relocate to downstairs for the warm months. I had tried a window a/c, but it was about useles, as the room is 10’ x 36’ with a window at each end. I won’t put a unit in the front window as it looks bad from the road, and the other window is at top of steps so all it does is cool the stairwell. I decided to keep the 6,500 btu GE unit around as a backup due to the age of my central a/c. Came in handy about 3-4 weeks ago when my unit was low on R-22 and froze up. That 6500 btu window unit kept the living room cool, and a properly positioned fan cooled the front bedroom and bathroom. |
Post# 999774 , Reply# 20   7/9/2018 at 07:26 (2,111 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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"always a good idea to buy a BTU rating for your space with a little bit of overkill.... "
That is interesting since have always been told and or researched the opposite; that something slightly smaller is better than larger when it comes to air conditioning. Rationale being that an oversized unit will cycle off sooner than it should thus not remove moisture from air to make things comfortable. Not exactly same, but during past heat wave noticed that if set the WallMaster to 72F or 73F it cooled things nicely and didn't cycle on and off much. OTOH if thermostat was set to 75F the thing cycled constantly to point of being annoying. Since everyone is going on about split AC: CLICK HERE TO GO TO Launderess's LINK |
Post# 999775 , Reply# 21   7/9/2018 at 07:27 (2,111 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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Post# 999791 , Reply# 22   7/9/2018 at 10:00 (2,110 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 999795 , Reply# 23   7/9/2018 at 10:36 (2,110 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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removal of moisture from the air is one thing, sucking the water out of the plants, aquarium, and causing dry skin is going a bit too far....
going a thousand or two larger for window units is not a bad idea, I can always dial down the thermostat versus a unit running constantly to keep up.... this is just my personal preference, you know me, size matters.....I used to run 4 units, kitchen and living room 2-10,000 and 2 bedrooms 2-5,000....and a 200.00+ electric bill to go with it.... I switched to one 30,000 unit in the dining room, which covers the whole area now, speed on Med, and temp set at 4......very comfortable, cycles on when needed, and a super low electric bill..... this unit is climbing on 22 years old, I cringe at the day it gives up on me, as I wont find another one like it.....everyone who sees it wants one....I also guess what works with a unit of this size is an open floor plan.....you can appreciate its power with a house full of people, or when you fire up the stove, adjust the dial, and it will chill down quickly...
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Post# 999820 , Reply# 24   7/9/2018 at 13:17 (2,110 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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Those Whirlpools are fantastic. But the new Kenmore Elite smart A/C, miraculously, are even better. I'm not 100% sure, but I strongly believe they're made by LG. The design is too "LGesque". The fan is almost as powerful as one of those floor dryers. |
Post# 999827 , Reply# 25   7/9/2018 at 14:42 (2,110 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 999833 , Reply# 26   7/9/2018 at 16:20 (2,110 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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that's the sad part there with Sears.....they slap their name on just about anything now....
back in the 80's when I got the Kenmore's, they were built by Whirlpool, but like all Kenmores, to Sears own specifications, somewhat a better look, seriously quieter fans, and extra features you wouldn't find on the Whirlpool counterpart... just thinking of the plug I have to run this...250V-30amp...comparable to a dryers plug...
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Post# 999834 , Reply# 27   7/9/2018 at 16:21 (2,110 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Other brands offer room air conditioners (through wall or window) up to 30,000 btu of cooling power.
www.friedrich.com/product... As mentioned previously, Friedrich offers a "unifit" model of through wall AC designed to work with any existing sleeve. www.friedrich.com/product... Found this interesting; Friedrich no longer has a WallMaster units at 10,000 btu on 115v. One can have 9800 btu or 1200 btu on that voltage, but the 10,000 to 9,900 unit now is 220v only. www.friedrich.com/product... @Louis: Kenmore does seem to offer larger window AC in 25,000 and 18,000 btu; but those are 220v units. www.kenmore.com/products/... |
Post# 999841 , Reply# 28   7/9/2018 at 16:52 (2,110 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 999844 , Reply# 29   7/9/2018 at 17:07 (2,110 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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True, but since Kenmore is nothing more than a brand name Sears slaps on things made by others, a true "apples to apples" comparison would have to be made by looking at full product line of whoever produces these ACs.
It might very well be that company in question does offer through wall units with btu power greater than 12000, but Sears for reasons of their own doesn't bother. |
Post# 999887 , Reply# 30   7/10/2018 at 03:54 (2,110 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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Today I confirmed.. Kenmore A/Cs are made by LG. They have up to 15.000 BTU 110V and up to 25.000 BTU 220V All of them "window type" Anyway, I'm not sure if I'd want one big unit. I'd prefer to split the capacity in two smaller units to add use flexibility and if one fails, at least I still have 50% of the cooling power. |
Post# 999901 , Reply# 31   7/10/2018 at 08:05 (2,110 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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mine is a window/wall unit.....I had to leave off the side curtains to fit the window opening....
the unit has two screws at the bottom that lock it in place, plus its screwed in from the sides to keep it secure in the window..... there have been cases of gaining entrance into a home from thieves by sliding a screwdriver underneath, and pushing the unit into the home... |
Post# 999966 , Reply# 32   7/10/2018 at 23:40 (2,109 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )   |   | |
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I've had our current Mitubishi mini split since I think 2010 or was it 2011. .. anyways,, the filtering system on it is crap.. most of the air goes around and behind those flexible thin filter things and then sticks on the blades of the squirell cage fan, which in turn gets bogged down and has required disassembly every 2 years, at a cost. It's currently not working and the repairman is coming in the morning.. I won't be buying another Mitsubishi mini split again unless they redesign the whole filter system.
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Post# 1000017 , Reply# 33   7/11/2018 at 14:02 (2,108 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )   |   | |
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Austin... what kind of central ac system is it you're talking about? Over here central air generally refers to a fan forced ducted furnace/air conditioner where the evaporator is in the furnace and the condenser unit sits outside. There are ductless mini split systems available with ceiling cassettes but they're much less common right now. More common is just the straight forward mini split unit set up on the wall high up,, perhaps two or 3 of those depending on the size of the house etc They all need to be wired and and the coolant tubes plumbed to the outside condenser as well as having a drain tube
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Post# 1000018 , Reply# 34   7/11/2018 at 14:07 (2,108 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )   |   | |
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AC guys showed up this a.m. and as suspected my Freon was low... so he's put in some dye and charged it up and we'll see what happens over the course of the next week or so,, if not sooner. Days I wished we just had a regular forced air furnace and air conditioner... this thing is hundreds of dollaring me to death every couple of years.. :(
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Post# 1000036 , Reply# 35   7/11/2018 at 16:36 (2,108 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)   |   | |
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The church I belong to has 4 of the Mitsubishi mini-split units; they were installed 3 or 4 years ago, and they've had problems with a couple of them. I think they are all functional now. |
Post# 1000041 , Reply# 36   7/11/2018 at 17:35 (2,108 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)   |   | |
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Post# 1000051 , Reply# 37   7/11/2018 at 19:52 (2,108 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)   |   | |
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Pete,
I've had a Climataire split system in the bedroom for 10 years and touch wood....never had a problem with it. I do clean the filters every season and I did have the service guy out to check it over a couple of years ago. Last summer I had a Carriere split system installed in the living area. I've only used it a handful of times so not sure what its reliability is going to be. It did come with a 5 year warranty. Gary |
Post# 1000069 , Reply# 38   7/12/2018 at 00:19 (2,108 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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Had a huge Coldspot window unit, 28000 btu, I never saw it turned over halfway on the thermostat and the fan was always on low and their house was always cold!it lasted almost 40 years and the compressor died, I think lightning got it. |
Post# 1000100 , Reply# 41   7/12/2018 at 10:55 (2,107 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)   |   | |
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how Don Wan(a) thinks about the Post also. |
Post# 1000278 , Reply# 45   7/14/2018 at 13:16 (2,105 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )   |   | |
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Post# 1000737 , Reply# 47   7/19/2018 at 10:50 (2,100 days old) by drhardee ( Columbia, SC)   |   | |
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Recently, the Freidrich PTAC (heat and cool) unit we had in our added-on Champion sunroom finally gave up the ghost after 11 years, and we were faced with a choice. This would be an ideal time to take out the unattractive, noisy PTAC and get a quiet, remote-controlled, hidden away mini-split system.
However, the mini-split system was going to be $3,800.00 installed, and we would still be left with a hole in the sunroom wall where the PTAC lived. Champion wasn't going to repair that for free, and coordinating the mini-split installation and the PTAC hole repair (so the HVAC guys could take the old PTAC away and not have us left with a piece of plastic over the hole until the Champion people got there) was next to impossible. So, I held my nose and had another PTAC (Amana, this time) installed in the existing wall sleeve for $2,495.00. It fit perfectly (and installed -professionally- QUICKLY) in the existing sleeve, and is quiet and seems to work very well. This was 2 months ago. Both PTAC's are USA made by Goodman AC in Texas, which may be foreign owned. I suppose I could have bought another Friedrich unit online (for $995 with free shipping) and installed it myself, but that's above my skill level. CLICK HERE TO GO TO drhardee's LINK
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Post# 1000767 , Reply# 48   7/19/2018 at 18:06 (2,100 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 1000898 , Reply# 49   7/21/2018 at 01:38 (2,099 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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That HVAC unit shown in the picture is like what I have seen in Hotel rooms.When the hotel-motel gets abandoned-those units are the first things taken! |
Post# 1000926 , Reply# 51   7/21/2018 at 13:15 (2,098 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)   |   | |
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The last couple of very small (5K to 6K BTU) ones I have bought have been LOUD when their compressors turn on. I mean window-rattling loud. We owned a few different window ACs growing up and I do not remember any of them being so loud, but admittedly it was a long time ago and maybe I just don't remember accurately.
It's great that they are light, energy efficient and cheap today but it would be nice to be able to get a quiet one. My next one may be vintage but I hate to lose the efficiency of the new ones. |
Post# 1000932 , Reply# 52   7/21/2018 at 14:19 (2,098 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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So get a Kenmore Elite. Mine is super quiet (12k btu) |
Post# 1001108 , Reply# 53   7/23/2018 at 01:15 (2,097 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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Post# 1002295 , Reply# 54   8/2/2018 at 13:54 (2,086 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 1002331 , Reply# 55   8/2/2018 at 19:05 (2,086 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA)   |   | |
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Not sure I understand how it functions with "no condenser" |
Post# 1002354 , Reply# 56   8/2/2018 at 21:26 (2,086 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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