Thread Number: 76119  /  Tag: Modern Dishwashers
Is white out of date?
[Down to Last]

automaticwasher.org's exclusive eBay Watch:
scroll >>> for more items
Post# 999594   7/7/2018 at 08:42 by Charles (Charlotte N.C. )        

In all of the home remodeling articles I read stainless steel is always portrayed as the only type of appliance color on the market, but the house I live in has the standard white appliances. Does this mean that my kitchen is out of date?




Post# 999595 , Reply# 1   7/7/2018 at 08:45 by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

dadoes's profile picture

No.


Post# 999596 , Reply# 2   7/7/2018 at 08:52 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

Everything goes in and out of style. Had an all stainless steel kitchen at my house and liked the look of it. Now that I've downsized to apartment life, everything is white and I'm fine with it. Not too concerned about where it lands on the current-trend continuum.

If you're a person who prefers their kitchen to be a little more cutting edge or at least up to date--and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that--black stainless steel seems to be popping up a lot in top-of-the-line models.


Post# 999598 , Reply# 3   7/7/2018 at 09:20 by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
After Labor day

says Serial Mom (Kathleen Turner). Patricia Hearst said no. Beverly Sutfin beat her to death with a telephone.
Always Rewind! The lady who didn't got beaten with a leg of lamb while watching Annie.


Post# 999601 , Reply# 4   7/7/2018 at 09:41 by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

ea56's profile picture
White appliances are timeless and never go out of style, and they donít show fingerprints like SS does.

Eddie


Post# 999603 , Reply# 5   7/7/2018 at 10:01 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

yogitunes's profile picture
white is timeless, you can mix and match brands, and still stay within your color scheme....

if you want to change with seasons or for a different look, then you hit the tablecloths, curtains, window treatments, hand towels, and dishes on display...

stainless stays bright and shiny if you know how to take care of it, it takes minimal care to keep them looking that way....

now black, while its a fantastic color choice, probably the worst is on the washer, dryer and stove....the dust sticks out like a sore thumb...


normally at Sears when choosing a color for an appliance, it was a 10.00 charge extra for anything but white.....yet when I bought the dishwasher, black was the standard, white was an extra charge....


Post# 999604 , Reply# 6   7/7/2018 at 10:04 by Combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
White appliances?

combo52's profile picture
The problem with white appliances since the 1990s is the plastic parts of them discolor and show their age very quickly so unfortunately white is no longer completely safe choice.

The safest choice today for something it looks good and doesnít age is bisque although itís not that popular any longer.

Stainless steel is fine but It damages easily and shows itís age also.

Black itís not a bad choice but it also shows fingerprints.

John L.


Post# 999606 , Reply# 7   7/7/2018 at 10:10 by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

lordkenmore's profile picture

It could be argued that white has been out of date for decades. Who'd want white when they could have Coppertone?

 

But white has been a survivor...and has outlived other colors that were fashionable today, forgotten tomorrow.


Post# 999607 , Reply# 8   7/7/2018 at 11:05 by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Textured

sheet metal was supposed to hide fingerprints.
Perhaps a better choice were Francine Fishpa's turquoise Frigidaire's.


Post# 999609 , Reply# 9   7/7/2018 at 11:15 by Sudsomatic (Indiana)        
I read somewhere once...

sudsomatic's profile picture

But those of you on here that are far more knowledgeable than me will probably know better...

 

That white is the most commonly purchased appliance color period. Whether by year, decade, or throughout the history of commercial appliances. Even when the popular trend is toward stainless steel circa the 2000's or pastels in the 1950's, white always outsold everything overall, due to consumerism value.

 

White being the color of affordability.

 

Due to it generally being the only color option available on less expensive BOL appliances mostly, but also because paint equals a cheaper cover option over something with a special finish, like stainless steel. And so white (which is one of only 3 colors traditionally offered nowadays) will often sell much cheaper, even in TOL machines, than a stainless steel finish of the same model.

 

White outsells black or biscuit (the only other two  color choices typically offered) Because more white models are typically produced than the other colors, which I'm guessing is just due to general preference of the three choices.

 

It wasn't always the case back in the cool color era's of course... but nowadays when "fun" colors are offered in appliances they more often than not cost more than basic white, just like Stainless Steel, in the same model too. Because far less of those particular machines are produced in those colors and sell higher due to rarity.

 

So for all it's plain-ness and lack of something extra, white is actually pretty popular and is technically always "in style"


Post# 999610 , Reply# 10   7/7/2018 at 11:38 by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        
Agree with John L

iowabear's profile picture

on the yellowing problem.  I have white Whirlpool refrigerator from 2010 that is really showing yellowing on the trim.

 

For whatever reason, the trim on the top of the freezer door is yellowing faster than the rest of the trim.

 

It started out white, will soon be a 3-tone color!


Post# 999611 , Reply# 11   7/7/2018 at 12:01 by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

ea56's profile picture
Try Mr. Clean Magic Erasers on the white plastic trim on white appliances to keep the yellow away. All of our appliances are white, and none of the plastic trim is yellowed. You have to keep any film of dirt or oil/grease from remaining on th plastic, brecause that will cause it to turn yellow.

Also, I wish that they would stop using that textured finish, I much prefer a smooth surface.

Too bad we canít get good old fashioned chrome trim and handles on our white appliances any more. They put chrome on the SS appliances, why not the white? Probably would only cost an additional $5.00 per appliance, if that much and they would easlily charge an additional $25.00 to offset the expense.

Eddie




This post was last edited 07/07/2018 at 17:04
Post# 999615 , Reply# 12   7/7/2018 at 12:48 by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

My kitchen appliances are a mix of stainless steel and white, and I'm okay with that. My washer and dryer are white, which I prefer overall, and I keep them wiped down and clean. Can't stand to start wash day in dirty machines. Have found that stainless steel seems harder to keep clean overall.

I do need to do some updating in my kitchen, new back splash and counter tops.
How do you all feel about counter tops? What do you prefer? Don't want to go with something trendy, just something that can take a lot of use and wear and still look nice. I don't mean to high jack this thread. LOL.

Barry


Post# 999624 , Reply# 13   7/7/2018 at 15:07 by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)        
I'm a big fan of white

twintubdexter's profile picture

Stainless steel always reminds me of those pull-out refrigerators that are so very popular for keeping bodies fresh and dewy in the morgue. I remember watching one of those HGTV shows where the uppity, snooty real estate lady, hand-on-hip, looked at a kitchen and said "this is nothing but cheap common builder's stock... laminate counter tops and white appliances!" She could have been standing in my kitchen. 

 

Obviously a budget model, no ice & water in the door...


  View Full Size
Post# 999625 , Reply# 14   7/7/2018 at 15:10 by Charles (Charlotte N.C. )        
As for countertops

I prefer ether quarts or laminate because unlike granite they don't require the annual sealing treatment. quarts is grate if you want the "deep" look of granite but laminate has a mush higher heat resistance and is typically cheaper than its competitors.

Post# 999627 , Reply# 15   7/7/2018 at 15:28 by fan-of-fans (Florida)        

fan-of-fans's profile picture
I agree that white doesn't really go out of style. I just think in the really expensive housing markets (which tend to be what those TV shows are doing or articles you read that are almost always written in some uber expensive CA or NY area, and don't seem to think the rest of the world exists) people are expecting stainless and granite.

Obviously I couldn't afford to purchase in those areas but white appliances don't bother me.

I agree on the white plastic parts yellowing. Part of this is that awful white textured plastic that catches grease, food debris from hands and other stuff and causes a yellowed appearance. I've noticed the last few years they seem to be getting away from plastic handles and going toward painted metal handles which are much easier to keep clean and don't yellow. Also other plastic areas like ice and water dispenser panels seem to be going toward a glossy smooth plastic which is much easier to clean.

One thing I find very boring about today's appliances is how there's no chrome trim. It used to be that even basic refrigerators had some chrome trim on the handles or doors, even into the mid 90s. After that they just went to all textured blah plastic. That's probably I don't care much appliances much past the late 90s along with removing cool features like fluorescent lights and other interesting things.

I have seen some appliances now that are white with stainless steel handles so they are out there. The colors of appliances don't bother me as much as the features. It used to be that only high end stuff like Sub Zero or Jenn Air came in stainless, these days even the BOL Frigidaire and Whirlpools can be had in stainless. I always figure this has to do with those flipping homes or renting apartments, so they can give it a more upscale feeling even if the appliances have zippo as far as features.


Post# 999632 , Reply# 16   7/7/2018 at 15:55 by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

dadoes's profile picture

A factor in plastic yellowing is UV exposure.† My master bathroom has three large glass block windows with west exposure.† Much of the plastic material in the room is discolored, including the side of the ceiling fan remote that sits on a wall bracket, rings around the recessed can lights, and the whirlpool tub jets that face the windows.


Post# 999634 , Reply# 17   7/7/2018 at 16:18 by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

ea56's profile picture
I wouldnít have granite counter tops if they were given to me. Iím perfectly OK with laminate. If you take proper care of it it lasts almost forever. Our condo was built in 1980, and the counters in the kitchen are Almond laminate, which at the time was popular. It does show some wear in a few places, but overall still looks pretty good.

If you could still get the nice colored tile like was used in kitchens from the 20ís thru the 50ís I would love to have the counters tiled. But all the new tile just looks trendy to me, nothing classic about it. And I sure wouldnít want those ďTuscanĒ looking tiles, or the glass tile back splashes that are ubiquitous on HGTV. Whenever we see one of those House Hunters programs where they view a vintage home with beautifully preserved tile kitchens and baths and they proclaim they are a complete gut job David and I just scream!

Eddie


Post# 999639 , Reply# 18   7/7/2018 at 17:21 by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA)        

I've been stressing over this for months. The Mini Manse came with all white appliances which at first was refreshing change since the Manse had SS. I'm getting kinda tired of the white but can't justify throwing away decent appliances.


Post# 999645 , Reply# 19   7/7/2018 at 18:26 by earthling177 (Boston, MA)        

My impression is that the ideal kitchen is one whose color scheme will allow for *any* single appliance to be replaced and still look good. Because, really, I don't want to have to replace all of them at once because one of them dies/died.

And the worst part is that in the past 20 years the market seems to pick only *one* color and make it dominant -- it has cycled already between white, black and stainless steel. What I mean by that is that some brands will offer only *one* choice of color for the top-of-the-line -- currently it has been stainless, for example. But nothing stops them in a couple of years, for example, to switch to black stainless, or black, or white or anything else.

So, as soon as I am able to remodel my kitchen, it will be something that can support any color appliances. I have already been working towards that: my current dishwasher and fridge are white, the range is sold as "stainless" but the truth is that it's black and stainless, and the microwave is stainless too. And when I remodel the kitchen I will be mostly replacing the cabinets (hopefully changing to a better layout too) and keeping whatever is working.



Post# 999647 , Reply# 20   7/7/2018 at 18:41 by Moparwash (Pittsburgh,PA -Next Wash-In...June 2019!)        

moparwash's profile picture
Serial Mom got it right!...though there is some White that doesnt go out of style!

  Photos...       <              >      Photo 1 of 3         View Full Size
Post# 999652 , Reply# 21   7/7/2018 at 19:58 by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)        
Jerry...

twintubdexter's profile picture

Great photos, but without the gloves and gown something's missing. We'll wait while you change.


  View Full Size
Post# 999677 , Reply# 22   7/8/2018 at 03:17 by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

Black is the new white and t-shirts are the new gowns.  Hey!  I'm FORMAL!


Post# 999691 , Reply# 23   7/8/2018 at 09:11 by estesguy (kansas)        
yuk, yellowing plastic...

I once had a 6 cf GE fridge I kept at work that was white, and then picked up another that was black. Sold the white one while it still looked good, as I knew the handle that went across the top would eventually turn yellow. The black still looks great today.

A small clip from a Ref article on the problem:

Your initial question was "What makes ABS plastic turn yellow." I should point out that the first few words of the second link read "Manufacturers add bromine to ABS plastic to act as flame retardant. Over time, those chemicals react to the plastic's basic polymers and turn yellow." Ergo, there is probably more to the yellowing of ABS plastic in particular than just photodegradation.

I might add I've had no luck using hydrogen peroxide to reverse this damage


Post# 999764 , Reply# 24   7/9/2018 at 00:54 by dartman (Portland Oregon)        

Our house came with cheap Kenmore SS stove and dishwasher, don't care but was nice to have brand new stuff for once. We brought our white big Amana top and bottom fridge and white Whirlpool/Kenmore miss natched white washer and dryer. I have since replaced the laundry pair with a 2013 Kenmore 28102 tl washer and the next year Huge white dryer. I want my stuff to work well and be serviceable, I don't care if it matches. The dryer has been great and dries quickly and saves power, the washer still works fine but already needs bearings but I have all the parts to rebuild it when I'm ready. The fridge has worked perfectly for probably 20 years, and the appliances with the house have been fine as well but may upgrade the dishwasher eventually to get better cleaning and much quieter running, stove seems ok so far and is much nicer than the bol whirlpool we had at our rental. Been mostly trying to upgrade things to save utilities costs and do more in one shot.

Post# 999789 , Reply# 25   7/9/2018 at 09:32 by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
White IS Timeless

iheartmaytag's profile picture

My mother was told years ago to buy white when you can as it will not outdate your kitchen.

 

If you go into a house and it has pink appliances, you immediately think 50s early 60s. 

Coppertone is usually a kitchen don't in late 60s

Avocado, and Harvest gold will tell you the kitchen was done in the 70s.

Bisque, or Almond 80s

Black 90s

Stainless Steel 2000s

Starting to see white with stainless accents.  Whirlpool's "White Frost"

 

When I replaced my dishwasher and stove a few years back, I was tempted to go stainless, but the sales person pointed out that the different manufacturers stainless won't match one another.  The Kitchenaid dishwasher was much darker than the GE stove.

 

Now I am seeing Black Stainless advertised. 

 

I'm thinking, couldn't they bring back the Red Poppy?


Post# 999904 , Reply# 26   7/10/2018 at 08:48 by deltablu (Eastern South Dakota)        
It's a moving target

Right now, people that come in the door shopping for their own houses are buying the newer alternative colors such as black stainless and slate. Interestingly, the only homes we are installing stainless steel in right now, are the ones getting ready to be sold. Realtors are still telling people to fill their kitchens with stainless to make them look good on walk-throughs and it seems to work. There's still this idea out in the ether that a stainless steel appliance is somehow an indicator of better quality.

Black and white full kitchens are mostly relegated to the cheap spec homes right now. With very few exceptions, textured doors are gone, and the polished finish makes black doors even harder to keep clean than stainless.

Bisque/Biscuit is virtually dead. GE and Whirlpool still have a few pieces left but with no large fridges available, especially French doors, most people are immediately walking away.


Post# 999936 , Reply# 27   7/10/2018 at 17:15 by joseph (USA)        
Removing yellowing from white plastic

I want to share what I came across for bleaching plastic that works for me, it's a hair creme called Salon Care 40 that I got from Sally Beauty. I'm sure you don't have to use their brand, but that's what was recommended on the video. The lady at the store said a lot of hunting guys buy it to whiten their deer antlers or something along that line. It worked on my bathroom fan grilles, a doorbell cover, a nicotine stained white leather handle from a vintage tv, and just this afternoon I tested it on my yellowed vacuum cleaner cover. I just did one area to show how dramatic the difference is. Apply the creme, cover it with plastic wrap and put it in the sun for several hours and it comes out looking great without removing the printed parts. Hope this helps!

  Photos...       <              >      Photo 1 of 2         View Full Size
Post# 999963 , Reply# 28   7/10/2018 at 23:29 by Spinmon (st. charles mo )        

When we spec'd our new house 3/2016,it was mostly standard to keep costs lower. I gotta' tell you,our white appliances and lighter wood cabinets are easy to keep clean and brighten the kitchen. They look good to us.


I don't get the fascination with DARK wood,smudgey SS,COLD stone countertops and cold/'shatter my Corell' ceramic floors. We have a vinyl kitchen floor that's soft. Nice to walk/kneel on and seldom breaks a dropped item. It CAN dent,but so far OK.

Of course our 2012 SQ's be white.

Sorry for old man rambling,just happy with bright,comfy home. :)


Post# 999998 , Reply# 29   7/11/2018 at 08:46 by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Elder people

seem to care less about high end finishes. My in laws have their rather large, 2,200 sq. ft. condo listed currently for sale. They built in in 1998 with standard amenities. Vinyl kitchen floor, no island, Formica counters. They do have hardwood floors in the entry foyer, main hall. All else is carpet. Bath's are ceramic, appliances white.
Dad added a ceramic tile kitchen back splash.
They are having difficulty selling it. They've reduced the price, and still buyers want new, updated, granite, tile flooring, or woods.
Even though most of what is in there is still made today, it's standard builders grade.


Post# 1000020 , Reply# 30   7/11/2018 at 14:14 by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

petek's profile picture
I prefer white as well. Still living with the bisque colored stove hood, it'll be replaced some day. The worst for me would be black.. My sister had all black appliances in her kitchen and it looked horrid....particular the fridge, this big black box uglified the whole open concept livingroom kitchen area..Finally praise the lord she redid her kitchen and went with SS,, which although not my favorite either,,it's better than black , or bisque or any of those other trendy colors.. Her kitchen looks great now with that big ugly thing gone.

Post# 1000021 , Reply# 31   7/11/2018 at 14:57 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
I love white

mark_wpduet's profile picture
But the yellowing (I know exactly what you mean). But I don't think it's dirt that causes it. I think it's the sun. My 2004 side x side fridge died in March. The trim around the water dispenser had yellowed.. It got the most light from the sun shining through the kitchen door. The dishwasher, oven, microwave, (all white) haven't yellowed at all, because the suns rays don't hit them like they do the fridge. This new sxs fridge doesn't look like it will yellow based on the texture, but I could be wrong.

Post# 1000049 , Reply# 32   7/11/2018 at 19:37 by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

countryguy's profile picture
My kitchen appliances are all black and I love them. I've had them for almost 15 years and they still look brand new. Very easy to keep clean and don't show all the smudge marks that stainless shows.

Gary


Post# 1000135 , Reply# 33   7/12/2018 at 20:36 by Xraytech (S.W. Pennsylvania, near Pittsb)        

xraytech's profile picture
My kitchen is a mix of colors.
My electric range is pastel yellow, since I need a 40Ē model I have to take what I find
I bought a new GE Artistry fridge in 2014, it is white. The sides are textured, the doors are smooth and handles are brushed stainless.
My Miele dishwasher is stainless steel, I bought a floor model and felt this would blend in more than the black one they had.

If I were to get new appliances Iíd go for Slate from General Electric.
When it was first offered I talked a co worker into them instead of stainless, after 5 years of them they plan purchasing Slate again for their new home. Mom is also slowly changing her kitchen to Slate.


Post# 1000139 , Reply# 34   7/12/2018 at 21:27 by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        

iowabear's profile picture

Agree with petek on the black refrigerator.  My sister did this as well, at that time she had a smallish ranch house like mine and the refrigerator was open on one side.

 

It just dominated the space.  Maybe if it had been enclosed on both sides with cabinets, or if it had been a bigger space overall, but as it was it was just too much!


Post# 1000142 , Reply# 35   7/12/2018 at 21:49 by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

ea56's profile picture
We tried all Black appliances in the kitchen 18 years ago with a Black Amana 18 cf bottom freezer refrigerator, Black flat top, slide in Maytag stove and a SS Maytag DW, so not really all Black. But that fridge and stove made the kitchen seem dark and closed in. And the Amana fridge was the worst Iíve ever owned or used, bar none. Either the milk spoiled in a few days or all the produce froze. And it was impossible to level so the doors would swing closed properly. The Maytag stove was toast in about two years, the electronic board fried from using the self cleaning oven. The Maytag DW lasted for about 11 years, but the racks were crap,and began to rust through after about 18 mo.

We have all BOL White appliances,not because we couldnít afford TOL, but because they perfectly meet our needs, I prefer simplicity and have never had positive outcomes by spending top dollar. And the kitchen is light, bright and cheery with the all White appliances, it seems like its bigger because of the reflected light.

Eddie


  Photos...       <              >      Photo 1 of 3         View Full Size


This post was last edited 07/12/2018 at 22:42
Post# 1000144 , Reply# 36   7/12/2018 at 22:13 by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        
BOL White appliances

iowabear's profile picture

That reminds me of when we had to replace our cooktop.  My ex, who did 90% of the cooking, wanted a basic coil cooktop because that's what he grew up with.  We decided on a white BOL Frigidaire coil model.

 

The salesman at Sears argued with us for a good five minutes about how terrible it was.  "Nobody buys coils anymore, they are poor performing, hard to clean, bad for resale" and on and on!

 

Finally I told him to write it up and order it or I'd just order on the Internet myself, LOL.

 

16 years later and Frigidaire is still selling them (picture below), so somebody must still be buying them.  It has worked perfectly and it easy to clean.  Not much to go wrong!

 

 


  View Full Size
Post# 1000163 , Reply# 37   7/13/2018 at 06:46 by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

askolover's profile picture

When I bought my house 20 years ago we redid the kitchen and went with all white....it all yellowed.  I gave the microwave to my MIL and bought a new black one.  My SxS fridge handles yellowed...MIL bought it and I bought a new black one like it.  Trash compactor was white...control panel turned yellow...found a practically new black Kitchenaid one on CL for $50 and gave the white one to Goodwill.  My new self-clean gas range is black.  My Maytag dishwasher was already black and my "new in box" KUDI23 is black.  All my cabinets are white. It's a good contrast mix in there.  I know it's the UV light that turns things yellow because my fridge and microwave don't get sunlight but the fluorescent kitchen light shines right on them.  My mother's white SxS fridge has yellow handles now too from the same kind of light.  She wishes she had bought a black fridge like mine now.  As long as I can get black, I will.  I don't really care for stainless.


Post# 1000170 , Reply# 38   7/13/2018 at 11:13 by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
@askolover

ozzie908's profile picture
How come your comment is blacked out ?

Post# 1000288 , Reply# 39   7/14/2018 at 15:18 by superocd (PNW)        

I think I might switch to bisque next time around, if bisque is even available in 2020-2030. Probably not. Stainless will be the new BOL and some weird color/finish/material will take its place. I think I want to go for a premium 1990's look, complete with track lighting, light oak cabinets and white tile countertops. Yes, I want to make my kitchen look like it's right out of 1997 in 2030.

Of course that would be like someone installing avocado appliances, marigold laminate countertops and patterned linoleum in the year 2000, but I'm getting bored with the typical 2010 look of my kitchen, even though I updated it from its original builder-grade early-2000's design in 2014.

One thing is for certain. I will never buy black stainless, slate or fingerprint resistant stainless. I'm not confident that any of those finishes will hold up. As for black stainless, there was a Samsung fridge with it at Lowe's and the lacquer was peeling away from a scratch near the handle. I later learned that black stainless is lacquered, as is slate and fingerprint resistant.


Post# 1000289 , Reply# 40   7/14/2018 at 15:41 by superocd (PNW)        

These 1990s kitchens look great (nevermind the stainless appliances). I like the soffit design in the second picture. Too bad I don't have a high vaulted ceiling, or I'd totally copy that!

  Photos...       <              >      Photo 1 of 2         View Full Size



Forum Index:       Other Forums:                      



Comes to the Rescue!

The Discuss-o-Mat has stopped, buzzer is sounding!!!
If you would like to reply to this thread please log-in...

Discuss-O-MAT Log-In



New Members
Click Here To Sign Up.



                     


automaticwasher.org home
Discuss-o-Mat Forums
Vintage Brochures, Service and Owners Manuals
Fun Vintage Washer Ephemera
See It Wash!
Video Downloads
Audio Downloads
Picture of the Day
Patent of the Day
Photos of our Collections
The Old Aberdeen Farm
Vintage Service Manuals
Vintage washer/dryer/dishwasher to sell?
Technical/service questions?
Looking for Parts?
Website related questions?
Digital Millennium Copyright Act Policy
Our Privacy Policy