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Post# 1000646   7/18/2018 at 09:16 (2,102 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

www.miele.de/forms2/de/sa...

Red through their press releases and found this after some searching, a spiritual succesor to the Touchtronic: WCR 890/870/860.

Going to A+++ -50% in under 3h with a new iteration of PowerWash 2.0.

I'll keep searching their databases for all the other new stuff.








Post# 1000647 , Reply# 1   7/18/2018 at 09:45 (2,102 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Dryers

 The lower end, 1 line display dryers matching the already released updated washers are the TCJ690/680 (which appear to have gained a bedding cycle) and simmilar numbers (searching for 0WP and just checking which letter combinations seem familiar and which not works):

www.miele.de/forms2/de/sa...


It actually appears that a lot of new dryer models will appear, all featuring bedding cycles.
Can't find a touch display dryer though.


The new TOL will be the WWV980 "Passion":
www.miele.de/forms2/de/sa...

(For washers I search for PWash or TDos and do the same comparing).

Further there is an updated SpeedCare range including a SpeedCare dryer.


Post# 1000649 , Reply# 2   7/18/2018 at 09:57 (2,102 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
AEG

 Will be launching automatic dosing in their FL washers from 8000 series all the way down to the 6000 series, but not the 9000 series, leading me to belive it's a simmilar setup to BSH iDos.

Their 9000 series dryer will get more showing off. It uses a "moisture scanner" what ever that means (perhaps thermal imaging or air humidity sensor?).

Their TOL ComfortLift DW will get a new user interface using some sort of slider.

Their hoobs will get SenseFry (sensor guided frying).

And their fridges get redone.





Post# 1000656 , Reply# 3   7/18/2018 at 10:34 (2,102 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
AEG

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I suppose it's a similar sensor to what Electrolux use in the US as LuxCare and PredictiveDry.

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Post# 1000682 , Reply# 4   7/18/2018 at 18:30 (2,102 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)        
QuickPowerWash

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The new W1 updated models have gone back to one rinse in the QuickPowerWash with no water plus option. That's a shame. I have a WMR861WPS which does two rinses in QPW.

Post# 1000802 , Reply# 5   7/20/2018 at 05:59 (2,100 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        
"Their hoobs..."

 What, these? :)

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Post# 1000830 , Reply# 6   7/20/2018 at 14:56 (2,100 days old) by Miele4life (UK )        

The new touchscreen Miele W1's look promising, I wonder if they'll have a colour display like on their ovens and that it'll be larger as well. The only drawbacks of the current flagship model is that the screen is a bit small and also they haven't been adventurous enough with it. :).

Post# 1001710 , Reply# 7   7/28/2018 at 07:47 (2,092 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK)        

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Hey everyone!

Some pictures of the new touchscreen Miele model have started to appear of the Miele UK site...

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Post# 1002959 , Reply# 8   8/8/2018 at 12:21 (2,081 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Might actually make it there

 Due to some rescheduling I might actually go to Berlin while IFA is happening and if I do I will spend a day there.

Would be my first time since 2012, am already excited!

Post# 1003309 , Reply# 9   8/11/2018 at 13:03 (2,078 days old) by Miele4life (UK )        

That's better Miele, those touchscreen W1's look way better than before, I wonder what that clock thing at the top of the machine is for? :)

Post# 1003375 , Reply# 10   8/11/2018 at 23:32 (2,078 days old) by richnz (New Zealand)        
Wish they had brought back

 the orange button to open the door.
Not a fan of having to push start/stop to get it to unlock.

I am guessing the clock on top is to show how long the quickpower wash cycle is. If the touch screen wasn't so minuscule then....

Passion? Ecstasy, Delight, Rapture and Orgasm too much?

Post# 1003586 , Reply# 11   8/13/2018 at 20:48 (2,076 days old) by wft2800 (Leatherhead, Surrey)        

Not a fan of Miele's current direction, why couldn't they just keep the classic-looking machines in production? I believe the classic design is still around in the form of the Little Giant series...

Post# 1004681 , Reply# 12   8/24/2018 at 13:12 (2,065 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
"classic" design

 There is no such thing as a classic Miele. They always steadily changed and improved. All of their new series had a few years until all faults had been ironed out and by now, the W1 series just is the best performing machine on the EU market.

Post# 1004682 , Reply# 13   8/24/2018 at 13:13 (2,065 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Miele G7000

 Miele is teasing a G7000 dishwasher, a "true rvolution" as the ad says.

What might it be? Honestly, no idea!

Post# 1004685 , Reply# 14   8/24/2018 at 14:31 (2,065 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
You beat me to it

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I was just about to post it

g7000.miele.com/en/index.html...

Post# 1004687 , Reply# 15   8/24/2018 at 14:40 (2,065 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Given the "Dialoggarer" last year

 Really not sure what on earth to expect.

Post# 1004690 , Reply# 16   8/24/2018 at 15:17 (2,065 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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I browsed Google Patents. What I read about was an updated cup rest, auto-dispensing of a pourable detergent (powder, liquid?) and hot-air drying. These were the latest entries.



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Post# 1004692 , Reply# 17   8/24/2018 at 15:21 (2,065 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Ah

 So TwinDos for DW, makes perfect sense.

Post# 1004694 , Reply# 18   8/24/2018 at 15:39 (2,065 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Well see. There's also a patent on reversing spray arms that never saw the light of day.

Are you attending IFA?

Post# 1004697 , Reply# 19   8/24/2018 at 16:13 (2,065 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
As of now

 Most certainly, yes.

Final scheduling and booking will be done Mon/Tue and will depend on some private stuff, but I should make it.

Post# 1004750 , Reply# 20   8/25/2018 at 03:08 (2,065 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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I am still undecided. A train ticket would be around a 100 Euros, going by car a little more. Plus it takes so long to get there: last time I drove ten hours in one day.

Post# 1004753 , Reply# 21   8/25/2018 at 03:47 (2,065 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

For me and my +1 it would be 60€ one way (try the Sparpreisfinder) and we would tag on a day or 2 in Berlin.
Hotel would be something like 100€ a night.

The exact time and number of days depends on wheather I have to return to Emden before heading to Berlin and how much time my company has.
I have a phonecall with some people monday to sort things out and then we'll see...


Post# 1004759 , Reply# 22   8/25/2018 at 05:21 (2,065 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Well, I'll have to work - so the weekend is the only possible date.

Yeah, I have seen the train tickets starting at 99 Euros. Still, it's kinda a lot of money to see a appliances. I wish Miele had a showroom somewhere close(r) by... but they have even closed the Friedberg location.

Post# 1005379 , Reply# 23   8/29/2018 at 14:46 (2,060 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
PowerDisk

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So yes, automatic dosing it is (and slightly upgraded racks). A disk does 20 washes.

(c) faz.de

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Post# 1005382 , Reply# 24   8/29/2018 at 14:59 (2,060 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

I like the look of the racks.

But I don't really like the AutoDos implementation, presuming that there is no empty powder cartridge avaible.

Edit: Took me a second to realize they eliminated one of their best DW features, the salt container in the door.
No combination product will ever work as well as a water softner.

Post# 1005384 , Reply# 25   8/29/2018 at 15:14 (2,060 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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Will Aldi stores sell a generic version of this dosing disk in the near future or will this disk soon turn out to be the next Betamax of automatic detergent dosing ?

Seriously, I don`t like the route Miele took with Capdosing and now with this "thing" at all. TwinDos at least can be altered with products of your own choice.

Post# 1005386 , Reply# 26   8/29/2018 at 15:21 (2,060 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Thing is that CapDos is just there, it dosen't really change the products usability much.

This ugly thing in the door that pushes away the saltcompartment is just useless gimmick.
Just popping in a tablet really isn't a hazzle, especially with dissolvable packaging avaible.

Post# 1005392 , Reply# 27   8/29/2018 at 16:03 (2,060 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Agreed.

Post# 1005504 , Reply# 28   8/30/2018 at 12:24 (2,059 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Normal 60C

 It appears through Mieles press material that they not only changed the entire wash system but the cycles accordingly as well.

The press material also gives me hope that there will be a refillable disc for your own powder as the dosage appears to depend on how far the system turns a mechanism inside the disc.

Still think that a hot air drying system would have been neat, possibly allowing for even quicker QuickPowerWash cycle times and/or better drying.

Post# 1005518 , Reply# 29   8/30/2018 at 14:31 (2,059 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

The disk appears to hold powder and the amount dispensed for each load depends on feedback from the soil sensor. There is also another cup so that you can use whatever detergent you want to use.

The salt container has moved to the bottom just like on the models sold in the USA. Apparently in the USA they only sold one or two model years in which the salt could be added in the door, then they reverted to having us fill the container in the bottom with a funnel. My first Miele bought in 1996 had the container in the bottom and a funnel was supplied. It really isn't that hard to do, and I only had do it once every 6 months - of course softer water too.

I still don't like the added complexity of this contraption even I chose not to use it.

It also seems like with their new water circuit the normal 140F cycle can use 1.5 gallons of water(probably light soil though)

Post# 1005822 , Reply# 30   9/2/2018 at 03:48 (2,057 days old) by richnz (New Zealand)        
Does this go here?

 www.miele.de/media/ex/de/...


Post# 1005965 , Reply# 31   9/3/2018 at 17:48 (2,055 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK)        
AEG AutoDose

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Found a picture of the new AEG 8000 series with AutoDose.

I'm really fond of the design... the black, red and white of the control panel and drawer looks really smart.

I'd be temped if I hadn't heard so many mixed reviews of these machines.


Attached a link direct to the picture as it seems to only be uploading in low quality.

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Post# 1005996 , Reply# 32   9/4/2018 at 03:33 (2,055 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Sitting at breakfast in Berlin about to head out to IFA.

Just overheared some buisness talk about something related to refrigeration and I think the brand Hobart.
Also about "changing the shape of the glass to reach sales goals".
Also about ULs slow speeds of approving stuff.
Given that Turkey was in the mention, I am supposing one of the 2 is from Arcrelik and the other from some US company colaborating with Hobart.

Post# 1006000 , Reply# 33   9/4/2018 at 04:11 (2,055 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        
Reply #32...

 Ah - our very own 'spy in the camp'! Lol

Keep up the good work! Thanks!

Post# 1006016 , Reply# 34   9/4/2018 at 06:32 (2,054 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Am looking forward to pictures!

Post# 1006111 , Reply# 35   9/5/2018 at 05:54 (2,053 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Pictures first

 Still enjoying the city and didn't have any time to write a full review of my tour yet.

Here are the few pictures I took as a teaser.

Didn't take many as me new phone didn't arive in time and my old phone camera is wonky.

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Post# 1006130 , Reply# 36   9/5/2018 at 10:26 (2,053 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        
Sharp Intellidose

 According to Trusted Reviews, this machine is also featured.

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Post# 1006136 , Reply# 37   9/5/2018 at 11:42 (2,053 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

So, my flight back got delayed by almost 2 1/2h (as of starting to write this) and thus I have time to start writing here at Berlin Tegel airport (one of the oldest and crustiest airports I have ever been at).

Let's go through this in the order of the brands I'v been at.


First of was LG. Nothing new there, except that their ThinQ connectivity technology is now Google Asistant enabled and thus there are apparently some washer/dryer related commands.
They now have a inverter heatpump dryer (called Dual Inverter technology) and they had a rather nice display of their heatpump washer dryers showing of the condenser/evaporator arrangement. Like ELux-es ÖkoKombi system, the heat exchanger is mounted on top of the drum, but instead of diagonaly they are mounted side to side and are rather tiny. But it is an inverter heat pump as well (not sure if ELux is using one).

Next up was Beko and Grundig (Arcrelik Group representatives).
They have launched an AutoDos DW as well, however they are using a liquid detergent tank (which makes so much more sense).
They do have a new DW spray arm designed to rotate of axis. It's a 3-sided design moving in an almost square shape so that they cover into each corner.
Further, they have brought the ion technology from their DW to more models and added ion technology to some dryers.
Some washers now have a warm air refresh function, some have steam. Some dryers have steam too, and some dryers have their fresh scent technology which is kind of like Mieles fragrance system, but not based on liquid but on small cartridges apparently containing some sort of cushion containing the aromatic ingredients.
Oh and of course their AutoDos washers.
They have some new oven stuff like full size microwave combination ovens.

A quick stop on the way was Panasonic. Not much there except that the bread from their new upcomming bread maker was AMAZING.

Next was Miele.
And oh boy did they deliver.
Their "Dialoggarer" was heavily featured and showed of in several (pretty good tasteing) cooking shows. And their gourmet delivery service focused on people with that 8000€ monster of oven-perfection will be roled out germany wide with the begining of the next year.
Their new full-area induction cooktops are nice as they do not have a full touch screen but the light-up number type of selection which is far more handy IMO.
Their new touchscreen TOL washers are also a MAJOR leap forward. One of the most fluent touch interfaces I tried. All options are visible at once, all clearly marked as selectable or not.
They have a new version of the QuickPowerWash for their new models: All machines have either a Quick or Express option (Quick on 1-line display models, Express on their full touch models). With the short option - which is the default configuration of the cycle - the cycle is 59min. Without it, it is 1:15h. So the difference most likely is simmilar to last-versions water plus implementation.
SingleWash looks promising as well: Cottons 60C in 49min, 40C in 44min (IIRC), Easy Care 40C in 39min. Seems as if they just utilized a quick pre-sense with a small amount of water adaquate for a 1kg load and check if the absorbtion is to much. If the load sensing sees a drop in waterlevel, further sensing is done and the cycle time is lengthend, otherwise the (apparently fixed) SingleWash cycle is run. SingleWash is avaible on several cycles, so is the Quick/Eco optimization options.
Their dryers now all come with a bedding cycle. The touchscreen dryer I looked at had a slightly modified upper filter with 2 spots for FragranceDos pods, couldn't figure out why.
Their new DW are actually pretty nice in terms of UI. They have the same MTouch base as the washers and dryers with adapted cycles. The Eco cycle at A+++ -20% is about 3:15 without options, the Auto cycle is still at 2:30ish. The modified QuickPowerWash is now 45min. All cycles now show their estimated time and temperature when scrolling through them. They added several options (Extra Clean for example) and they do change cycles a lot. For example, Eco with Extra Dry goes down to just 1:54h. But for what ever reason they still placed the rinse only cycle as QuickPowerWash with the Express option even though they a freaking configurable touchscreen where tey could have just added a prerinse cycle. QuickPower with Express should have been a 20-30min cycle without drying IMO.
In conjuction with the new interface they DRAMATICLY changed their water system. The entire bottom of the tub is flat, the filter and sump is a verry small area just around the lower spray arm. There are now 2 seperate tubes inside the tub at the back leading to the 2 upper spray arms.
Sadly there was no sign of a refillable AutoDos disk. Hopeing there will be an aftermarket solution. Detergent exits the dosage system through a small plastic port in the bottom centre of the door.

Next up was AEG.
Nothing spectaculary new there.
Their dosage system uses 2 tanks simmilar to BSH with the big advantage of keeping 2 compartments for manual dosing of main wash detergent and softner. The buttons for dosing will be on the right hand side of the display and surprisingly is avaible onf the series 6 to 8 models, so actually "budget" dosing options.
All they could tell me about the series 9 dryer sensing system was that it senses "deeper into the garments". Looking at the dryers I did not see any additional sensors from the get go, but I know that the 9000 models use an inverter heat pump.
They als had their touch display washers and dryer shown off, but that UI is really not the best, especially compared with the much cheaper dial and button UIs of the same series.
However I really liked all their oven UIs featuring a dial. Even their TOL steam ovens were really easy and logicly to use.
Their ÖkoKobi washer dryers are IMO a really good option for washer dryers. Their quality isn't the greatest, but cycle times are reasonable, filters are easy to clean and usage data is just unbeatable.
Nothing new on the DW side here IIRC.
They had a new cordless vacuum though I think.

Next were Bosch and Siemens (covering them as one here).
I was really disappointed by their oven UIs or better said all their touch UIs in general. Maybe it was because they were running for that long, but man were they unresponsive. Was more like punch then touch.
Their washer dryers have some weired exclusions of options and such and for the love of it either I was blind or they actually slashed the VarioPerfect options.
I had some lovely baked apple at a Siemens cook show though.
Their dryers are still... well... not my cup of tea.
But their lower end stuff especially in the kitchen area is pretty competitive to AEG by now!

Last on the tour was Gorenje and Asko.
Gorenjes washer and dryer UI was nice in theory, but horribly unresponsive. I took me like 10 attempts to change the temperature on the washer.
The TOL dryer has an inverter heatpump but does not utilize the amazing possibilities that could open up like quick dry options. All cotton cycles are estimated at 3h or more.
Their ovens are nothing new, but their DW should be a pretty good value option and feel rather nice.
Asko had a machine on display that is literally amazing. Full color display, 1800rmp spin, automatic dosing in the drawer while keeping all compartments for manual dosing.
Matching heatpump dryer with steam and ion tech.
Their DW is a beast. 4 levels, but still lots of room.

That was about what I remeber. If I forgot anything and remember, I'll keep you updated.

If you have questions, feel free to ask!

(Still 2h till flight departure, but at least we got vouchers for food now.)

Post# 1006153 , Reply# 38   9/5/2018 at 15:18 (2,053 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        
1800rpm spin

 Gosh, I thought we'd seen the back of faster spins?

Thanks very much for the run-down.

Post# 1006304 , Reply# 39   9/6/2018 at 20:05 (2,052 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)        
Videos of IFA 2018

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Hi,

There are some videos uploaded on Youtube of the various stands

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Post# 1006340 , Reply# 40   9/7/2018 at 03:36 (2,052 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Nrones YT channel totally rocks!

Post# 1006352 , Reply# 41   9/7/2018 at 07:47 (2,051 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        
"Nrones YT channel totally rocks! "

 Indeed it does! :-)

Post# 1006354 , Reply# 42   9/7/2018 at 07:56 (2,051 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        

I'm liking very much, the Toshiba (Midea?) machines. I have to say, the washer's drum lifters look very similar to our Belling, Bush, Logik, Kenwood, etc. models.

I wonder if Toshiba will fill-in where Panasonic vacated?

I'm sure we'll all spend hours analysing those videos in minute detail. :-)

Post# 1006367 , Reply# 43   9/7/2018 at 10:39 (2,051 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        
Electrolux 'PerfectCare 800'...

 Most unusual these days - this machine seems to have a drum backplate designed in quadrants (cross-shaped spider) - and I presume four drum lifters/paddles, rather than the usual three?

See it at 11:35 in the video below.

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Post# 1006371 , Reply# 44   9/7/2018 at 11:39 (2,051 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

That's a compact machine of a new design. Their full size machines still have 3 lifters.

Reviewing his Miele video and using some time clues, I probably actually ran just past him and didn't even notice...


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